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On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause
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Wish this beauty were mine:


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg

Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front.

They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n

Yes they did - never said they didn't.

Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row)
front.

No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place.

A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever
seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't
any,
but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've
never
seen one.

Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad.

I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an
option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a
"narrow"
front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a
crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to
the
frame than the standard tractors.

Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There
is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser
race
engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear
tires - in fifth gear. :)

There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One
of
my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model
T
engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I
restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't
letting him have it. :)

I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection.


Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4
40 hp
gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live.

Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.:
An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin
Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in
1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville
Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three
Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when
production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered
machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934.
Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the
tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines
apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard
hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta.

In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix
"Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from
Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the
founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for
the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have
been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but
some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when
previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to
have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power
the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the
more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to
get.


Lombard did not invent the Catapillar Tractor. He may have made tracked
log haulers, but the Catapillar Tractor was invented in Stockon, CA by
Holt.

Cite! 8)


Cite? You want Cite? You unbeliever!
But I will give you one.
http://www.theholtcompanies.com/company_history.asp

Can't do any better than company propaganda??

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Wish this beauty were mine:


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg

Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front.

They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n

Yes they did - never said they didn't.

Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one
row)
front.

No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the
place.

A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever
seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't
any,
but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've
never
seen one.

Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad.

I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it
an
option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a
"narrow"
front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a
crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to
the
frame than the standard tractors.

Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime.
There
is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser
race
engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the
rear
tires - in fifth gear. :)

There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One
of
my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a
Model T
engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I
restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't
letting him have it. :)

I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection.


Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4
40 hp
gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live.

Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.:
An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin
Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in
1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville
Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three
Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when
production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered
machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934.
Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the
tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines
apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard
hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta.

In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix
"Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from
Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the
founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for
the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have
been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but
some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when
previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to
have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power
the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the
more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to
get.


Lombard did not invent the Catapillar Tractor. He may have made
tracked log haulers, but the Catapillar Tractor was invented in
Stockon, CA by Holt.

Cite! 8)


Cite? You want Cite? You unbeliever!
But I will give you one.
http://www.theholtcompanies.com/company_history.asp

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_track

================================================== ====
A crude caterpillar track was designed in 1770 by Richard Edgeworth. The
British polymath Sir George Cayley patented a caterpillar track, which he
called a "universal railway" (The Mechanics' Magazine, 28 January 1826).
In 1837, a Russian inventor Dmitry Zagryazhsky designed a "carriage with
mobile tracks" which he patented that same year. However, due to a lack of
funds he was unable to build a working prototype. As a result his patent
was voided in 1839. Steam powered tractors using a form of caterpillar
track were reported in use with the Western Alliance during the Crimean
War in the 1850s.
================================================== ====

Let the games begin......8)



But it is the Caterpillar Tractor we refer to here. With a capitol C. Not
some track laying steam powered railroad. A functioning tractor. Not some
wimpy Farmall, that you had to grip the finger notches in the flywheel to
start.

So now we go from inventing the concept of a tracked tractor, to
starting a company....typical.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Wish this beauty were mine:


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg

Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front.

They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n

Yes they did - never said they didn't.

Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one
row)
front.

No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the
place.

A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever
seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't
any,
but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've
never
seen one.

Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad.

I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it
an
option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a
"narrow"
front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a
crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to
the
frame than the standard tractors.

Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime.
There
is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser
race
engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the
rear
tires - in fifth gear. :)

There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One
of
my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a
Model T
engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I
restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't
letting him have it. :)

I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection.


Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4
40 hp
gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live.

Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.:
An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin
Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in
1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville
Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three
Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when
production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered
machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934.
Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the
tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines
apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard
hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta.

In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix
"Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from
Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the
founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for
the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have
been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but
some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when
previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to
have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power
the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the
more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to
get.


Lombard did not invent the Catapillar Tractor. He may have made
tracked log haulers, but the Catapillar Tractor was invented in
Stockon, CA by Holt.

Cite! 8)


Cite? You want Cite? You unbeliever!
But I will give you one.
http://www.theholtcompanies.com/company_history.asp

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_track

================================================== ====
A crude caterpillar track was designed in 1770 by Richard Edgeworth. The
British polymath Sir George Cayley patented a caterpillar track, which he
called a "universal railway" (The Mechanics' Magazine, 28 January 1826).
In 1837, a Russian inventor Dmitry Zagryazhsky designed a "carriage with
mobile tracks" which he patented that same year. However, due to a lack of
funds he was unable to build a working prototype. As a result his patent
was voided in 1839. Steam powered tractors using a form of caterpillar
track were reported in use with the Western Alliance during the Crimean
War in the 1850s.
================================================== ====

Let the games begin......8)



But it is the Caterpillar Tractor we refer to here. With a capitol C. Not
some track laying steam powered railroad. A functioning tractor. Not some
wimpy Farmall, that you had to grip the finger notches in the flywheel to
start.

STILL wrong. Holt didn't "invent" it.

http://www.firstworldwar.com/atoz/holttractor.htm



The Holt Tractor
Updated - Saturday, 17 August, 2002

The Holt was an American agricultural tractor which used a so-called
'caterpillar' track in place of wheels and which inspired Colonel
Ernest Swinton to propose British sponsorship of tank development.

The caterpillar track was in fact invented by a British company named
Hornsby based in Grantham in 1905. In 1909 they demonstrated a tracked
tractor to the British Army; impressed, the army awarded Hornsby a
prize for their idea: however their idea was not taken up.

Consequently Hornsby sold on the patent for the caterpillar track to a
U.S. company, Holt Tractors (now the Caterpillar Tractor Company),
based in Stockton, California. Holt's in turn produced a series of
agricultural tractors which proved commercially viable in the mid-west.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Wish this beauty were mine:


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg

Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front.

They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n

Yes they did - never said they didn't.

Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row)
front.

No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place.

A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever
seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't
any,
but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've
never
seen one.

Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad.

I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it
an
option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a
"narrow"
front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a
crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to
the
frame than the standard tractors.

Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There
is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser
race
engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the
rear
tires - in fifth gear. :)

There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One
of
my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model
T
engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I
restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't
letting him have it. :)

I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection.


Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4
40
hp
gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live.

Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.:
An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin
Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in
1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville
Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three
Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when
production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered
machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934.
Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the
tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines
apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard
hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta.

In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix
"Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from
Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the
founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for
the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have
been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but
some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when
previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to
have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power
the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the
more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to
get.


Lombard did not invent the Catapillar Tractor. He may have made tracked
log
haulers, but the Catapillar Tractor was invented in Stockon, CA by Holt.

Prove it.


Stuff your pot stash up your anus! Already been cited.

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news On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Wish this beauty were mine:


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg

Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front.

They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n

Yes they did - never said they didn't.

Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row)
front.

No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place.

A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever
seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't
any,
but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've
never
seen one.

Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad.

I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it
an
option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a
"narrow"
front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a
crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to
the
frame than the standard tractors.

Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There
is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser
race
engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the
rear
tires - in fifth gear. :)

There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One
of
my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model
T
engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I
restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't
letting him have it. :)

I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection.


Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4
40
hp
gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live.

Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.:
An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin
Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in
1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville
Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three
Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when
production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered
machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934.
Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the
tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines
apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard
hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta.

In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix
"Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from
Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the
founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for
the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have
been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but
some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when
previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to
have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power
the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the
more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to
get.


Lombard did not invent the Catapillar Tractor. He may have made tracked
log
haulers, but the Catapillar Tractor was invented in Stockon, CA by Holt.

If so, then why in the world did Holt pay Lombard $60,000 for the right
to produce vehicles under his patent? If Holt had "invented" the Cat
Tractor as you say, then he'd have his OWN patent.


Why are you infatuated with myself and Dan? Holt did not invent the track
drive, he invented the Cat tractor. And functioning use of the track drive.
And was called the "C"aterpillar tractor.

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On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Wish this beauty were mine:


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg

Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front.

They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n

Yes they did - never said they didn't.

Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row)
front.

No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place.

A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever
seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't
any,
but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've
never
seen one.

Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad.

I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it
an
option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a
"narrow"
front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a
crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to
the
frame than the standard tractors.

Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There
is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser
race
engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the
rear
tires - in fifth gear. :)

There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One
of
my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model
T
engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I
restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't
letting him have it. :)

I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection.


Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4
40
hp
gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live.

Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.:
An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin
Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in
1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville
Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three
Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when
production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered
machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934.
Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the
tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines
apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard
hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta.

In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix
"Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from
Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the
founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for
the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have
been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but
some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when
previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to
have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power
the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the
more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to
get.


Lombard did not invent the Catapillar Tractor. He may have made tracked
log
haulers, but the Catapillar Tractor was invented in Stockon, CA by Holt.

Prove it.


Stuff your pot stash up your anus! Already been cited.

What pot stash is that, Bill? So......a corporate propaganda site that
doesn't even come close to claiming that Holt "invented" the crawler
tractor is it?? BWAAAHAAA!!!!!!! So what do you say about this:

The caterpillar track was in fact invented by a British company named
Hornsby based in Grantham in 1905. In 1909 they demonstrated a tracked

tractor to the British Army; impressed, the army awarded Hornsby a
prize for their idea: however their idea was not taken up.


Consequently Hornsby sold on the patent for the caterpillar track to a
U.S. company, Holt Tractors (now the Caterpillar Tractor Company),
based in Stockton, California. Holt's in turn produced a series of
agricultural tractors which proved commercially viable in the mid-west.

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What pot stash is that, Bill? So......a corporate propaganda site that
doesn't even come close to claiming that Holt "invented" the crawler
tractor is it?? BWAAAHAAA!!!!!!! So what do you say about this:

The caterpillar track was in fact invented by a British company named
Hornsby based in Grantham in 1905. In 1909 they demonstrated a tracked

tractor to the British Army; impressed, the army awarded Hornsby a
prize for their idea: however their idea was not taken up.


Consequently Hornsby sold on the patent for the caterpillar track to a
U.S. company, Holt Tractors (now the Caterpillar Tractor Company),
based in Stockton, California. Holt's in turn produced a series of
agricultural tractors which proved commercially viable in the mid-west.


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Please help! I have started a couple of plants, looking pretty good,
they are three leaved plants. My most important question...how to tell
a male at an early stage...the best one is bushy, about 8" tall so
far.

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Calif Bill wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...
What pot stash is that, Bill? So......a corporate propaganda site that
doesn't even come close to claiming that Holt "invented" the crawler
tractor is it?? BWAAAHAAA!!!!!!! So what do you say about this:

The caterpillar track was in fact invented by a British company named
Hornsby based in Grantham in 1905. In 1909 they demonstrated a tracked

tractor to the British Army; impressed, the army awarded Hornsby a
prize for their idea: however their idea was not taken up.


Consequently Hornsby sold on the patent for the caterpillar track to a
U.S. company, Holt Tractors (now the Caterpillar Tractor Company),
based in Stockton, California. Holt's in turn produced a series of
agricultural tractors which proved commercially viable in the mid-west.


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Date: Wed, Sep 20 2000 11:00 pm
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Please help! I have started a couple of plants, looking pretty good,
they are three leaved plants. My most important question...how to tell
a male at an early stage...the best one is bushy, about 8" tall so
far.

Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.




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1. Wasn't this Kevin Noble?
2. How does this prove that I smoke pot?
3. How does this prove that I'm a pot dealer?
4. What about the evidence that I said that the earth is only 6000
years old?

"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

Calif Bill wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...
What pot stash is that, Bill? So......a corporate propaganda site that
doesn't even come close to claiming that Holt "invented" the crawler
tractor is it?? BWAAAHAAA!!!!!!! So what do you say about this:

The caterpillar track was in fact invented by a British company named
Hornsby based in Grantham in 1905. In 1909 they demonstrated a tracked

tractor to the British Army; impressed, the army awarded Hornsby a
prize for their idea: however their idea was not taken up.


Consequently Hornsby sold on the patent for the caterpillar track to a
U.S. company, Holt Tractors (now the Caterpillar Tractor Company),
based in Stockton, California. Holt's in turn produced a series of
agricultural tractors which proved commercially viable in the mid-west.


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Date: Wed, Sep 20 2000 11:00 pm
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Please help! I have started a couple of plants, looking pretty
good,
they are three leaved plants. My most important question...how to
tell
a male at an early stage...the best one is bushy, about 8" tall so
far.

Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.




begin 666 dot_clear.gif
K1TE&.#EA`0`!`( ``/___P```"'Y! $`````+ `````!``$```("1 $`.P``
`
end

1. Wasn't this Kevin Noble?
2. How does this prove that I smoke pot?
3. How does this prove that I'm a pot dealer?
4. What about the evidence that I said that the earth is only 6000
years old?


You were onlanier in one of your personas. So the glove fits.

Calif Bill wrote:

1. Wasn't this Kevin Noble?
2. How does this prove that I smoke pot?
3. How does this prove that I'm a pot dealer?
4. What about the evidence that I said that the earth is only 6000
years old?


You were onlanier in one of your personas. So the glove fits.

Go on, only three more to go. We all know from your replies that you're
reading comprehension impaired, but you MUST have seen the other
questions, right?