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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Now I ask you - why does the town of Putnam need one big corporate
supported coffee, muffin/pastry/donut shop per 766 people?

Seriously.


Over staffed police department?

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...


Now I ask you - why does the town of Putnam need one big corporate
supported coffee, muffin/pastry/donut shop per 766 people?

Seriously.


Over staffed police department?

Eisboch

My god you yankees eat a lot of donuts. Here in Tallahassee (roughly
200,000 people), we have only a single Krispy Kreme and the two Dunkin
Donuts places closed. I preferred Dunkin and will not eat Krispy kreme.

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"Frogwatch" wrote in message
ps.com...

Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...


Now I ask you - why does the town of Putnam need one big corporate
supported coffee, muffin/pastry/donut shop per 766 people?

Seriously.


Over staffed police department?

Eisboch

My god you yankees eat a lot of donuts. Here in Tallahassee (roughly
200,000 people), we have only a single Krispy Kreme and the two Dunkin
Donuts places closed. I preferred Dunkin and will not eat Krispy kreme.


http://tinyurl.com/v2a3z

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Frogwatch wrote:
My god you yankees eat a lot of donuts. Here in Tallahassee (roughly
200,000 people), we have only a single Krispy Kreme and the two Dunkin
Donuts places closed. I preferred Dunkin and will not eat Krispy kreme.


What, you don't like deep fried sugar?

I happen to like Krispy Kreme and also Dunkin Donuts, as
long as the people working there aren't cretins. For a long
time it seemed I had some kind of jinx that every doughnut
store I went in was staffed by the 'differently abled.'

And I was kicking myself for missing out on the Krispy
Kreme's stock IPO. It's since tanked, of course.

DSK

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"DSK" wrote in message news:vAc0h.27208

And I was kicking myself for missing out on the Krispy Kreme's stock IPO.
It's since tanked, of course.

Of course. It was destined. They were selling empty air. ANYONE can make
donuts that are yummy when they are fresh and warm. KK's had the additional
distinction of being sickening once they cooled down! Plus, they enhanced
their business model by selling what was probably the world's worst coffee.

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" JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message
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"Frogwatch" wrote in message
ps.com...

Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...


Now I ask you - why does the town of Putnam need one big corporate
supported coffee, muffin/pastry/donut shop per 766 people?

Seriously.


Over staffed police department?

Eisboch

My god you yankees eat a lot of donuts. Here in Tallahassee (roughly
200,000 people), we have only a single Krispy Kreme and the two Dunkin
Donuts places closed. I preferred Dunkin and will not eat Krispy kreme.


http://tinyurl.com/v2a3z

I prefer Dunkin doughnut but I quit going there because their doughnuts
tasted like an ashtray. They have a coffe shop (people smoke) where they
store their doughnuts (uncovered). They have since gone out of business,
too late for the state law banning smoking in places that serve food to have
an effect on my eating habits.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:35:08 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 10/27/2006 9:23 AM, Jeff Rigby wrote:
" JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message
...
"Frogwatch" wrote in message
ps.com...
Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

Now I ask you - why does the town of Putnam need one big corporate
supported coffee, muffin/pastry/donut shop per 766 people?

Seriously.

Over staffed police department?

Eisboch
My god you yankees eat a lot of donuts. Here in Tallahassee (roughly
200,000 people), we have only a single Krispy Kreme and the two Dunkin
Donuts places closed. I preferred Dunkin and will not eat Krispy
kreme.

http://tinyurl.com/v2a3z

I prefer Dunkin doughnut but I quit going there because their doughnuts
tasted like an ashtray. They have a coffe shop (people smoke) where
they
store their doughnuts (uncovered). They have since gone out of
business,
too late for the state law banning smoking in places that serve food to
have
an effect on my eating habits.


Fortunately in Maryland most restaurants have banned smoking. One diner
we visit up in Annapolis has a smoking section, but it literally is
behind glass doors that seal tightly.

We have a nice Italian restaurant in our area that used to allow smokers
in one section, but the owner listened to complaints, shut down the
smoking section and then re-decorated it to get rid of the stench.

There's nothing worse than trying to enjoy a meal and encountering the
stench created by smokers and their filthy habit.

Talk about tyranny of the minority.

~~ sheesh ~~

Oddly, I feel the same way about loud, obnoxious drunks in
restaurants. I think we ought to ban the sales of alcohol in all
restaurants.

Think of the lives that would save. It would help rid the world of
drinkers and their brain addling, liver killing, drunken driving
addiction.

You need a DA who'll charge people with murder instead of vehicular homicide
or whatever 2nd rate crime they throw at drunks. In the end, the murder
charge won't stick, but it scares the bejeezus out of the drunk, and they'll
end up pleading to something slightly less, and still do LOTS of time. It
worked nicely on a woman near here, who killed two people when she got onto
a dark highway going the wrong way. She's doing 20-something years.

After the trial, jury members said they were fascinated by the DA's premise
because the defendant claimed to watch x amount of TV each week, for a
certain number of years, she was exposed to more than enough public service
ads about DWI. With this in mind, he said he fully intended to kill when she
put the keys in the ignition. One juror was iffy about it, so rather than
risk letting the bitch walk, the plea bargain happened.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:35:08 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 10/27/2006 9:23 AM, Jeff Rigby wrote:
" JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message
...
"Frogwatch" wrote in message
ps.com...
Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

Now I ask you - why does the town of Putnam need one big corporate
supported coffee, muffin/pastry/donut shop per 766 people?

Seriously.

Over staffed police department?

Eisboch
My god you yankees eat a lot of donuts. Here in Tallahassee (roughly
200,000 people), we have only a single Krispy Kreme and the two Dunkin
Donuts places closed. I preferred Dunkin and will not eat Krispy kreme.

http://tinyurl.com/v2a3z

I prefer Dunkin doughnut but I quit going there because their doughnuts
tasted like an ashtray. They have a coffe shop (people smoke) where they
store their doughnuts (uncovered). They have since gone out of business,
too late for the state law banning smoking in places that serve food to have
an effect on my eating habits.


Fortunately in Maryland most restaurants have banned smoking. One diner
we visit up in Annapolis has a smoking section, but it literally is
behind glass doors that seal tightly.

We have a nice Italian restaurant in our area that used to allow smokers
in one section, but the owner listened to complaints, shut down the
smoking section and then re-decorated it to get rid of the stench.

There's nothing worse than trying to enjoy a meal and encountering the
stench created by smokers and their filthy habit.

Talk about tyranny of the minority.

~~ sheesh ~~

Oddly, I feel the same way about loud, obnoxious drunks in
restaurants. I think we ought to ban the sales of alcohol in all
restaurants.

Think of the lives that would save. It would help rid the world of
drinkers and their brain addling, liver killing, drunken driving
addiction.
--

Yet you condone that nasty, vile smoke that causes cancer, tumors,
nasty breath, gum disease, etc? Smoking HAS to be the nastiest habit
there is. I agree with you about drunk people, to an extent. But, not
all people who drink, or even all who are drunk, are obnoxious. All
smokers, however, stink up the whole place with their filthy habit.

Corporate America gone amok...
 

There's nothing worse than trying to enjoy a meal and encountering the
stench created by smokers and their filthy habit.


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Talk about tyranny of the minority.

~~ sheesh ~~


Actually, smokers are in the minority nowadays. And I don't
see why you call it "tyranny" that non-smokers don't want to
be given lung cancer & emphysema for the sake of your
nicotine addiction. Not to mention that the employees of
places that allow smoking can be exposed to several packs
worth a day.


Oddly, I feel the same way about loud, obnoxious drunks in
restaurants.

Or loud obnoxious drunks anywhere. IMHO people who get
obnoxiously drunk should be pushed face down in a ditch,
shot, and left there as an example to others.

Probably wouldn't take long to solve this societal problem.


I think we ought to ban the sales of alcohol in all
restaurants.


Just to be safe let's ban everything!

DSK

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:35:08 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 10/27/2006 9:23 AM, Jeff Rigby wrote:
" JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message
...
"Frogwatch" wrote in message
ps.com...
Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

Now I ask you - why does the town of Putnam need one big corporate
supported coffee, muffin/pastry/donut shop per 766 people?

Seriously.

Over staffed police department?

Eisboch
My god you yankees eat a lot of donuts. Here in Tallahassee (roughly
200,000 people), we have only a single Krispy Kreme and the two Dunkin
Donuts places closed. I preferred Dunkin and will not eat Krispy
kreme.

http://tinyurl.com/v2a3z

I prefer Dunkin doughnut but I quit going there because their doughnuts
tasted like an ashtray. They have a coffe shop (people smoke) where
they
store their doughnuts (uncovered). They have since gone out of
business,
too late for the state law banning smoking in places that serve food to
have
an effect on my eating habits.


Fortunately in Maryland most restaurants have banned smoking. One diner
we visit up in Annapolis has a smoking section, but it literally is
behind glass doors that seal tightly.

We have a nice Italian restaurant in our area that used to allow smokers
in one section, but the owner listened to complaints, shut down the
smoking section and then re-decorated it to get rid of the stench.

There's nothing worse than trying to enjoy a meal and encountering the
stench created by smokers and their filthy habit.

Talk about tyranny of the minority.

~~ sheesh ~~

Oddly, I feel the same way about loud, obnoxious drunks in
restaurants. I think we ought to ban the sales of alcohol in all
restaurants.


I enjoy a glass or 2 of wine with my meal when eating out, as does my wife.
Sometime I have a couple of beers instead, depending on the meal. Your
attitude on this is "I don't drink and no one else should!" You are also
basing your opinion on the actions of a few yet imposing your restriction on
everyone.

And as you know, it will never happen.


Think of the lives that would save. It would help rid the world of
drinkers and their brain addling, liver killing, drunken driving
addiction.
--

"What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup...
is there a computer terminal in the day room of
some looney bin somewhere?"

Bilgeman - circa 2004


I hope you don't light up those stinky cigars inside restaurants or other
buildings. ;-)

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JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:35:08 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


On 10/27/2006 9:23 AM, Jeff Rigby wrote:

" JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message
...

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
egroups.com...

Eisboch wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
news:p752k2pbqn2tjn20qg6ad8q79o4m6bvhsh@4ax .com...


Now I ask you - why does the town of Putnam need one big corporate
supported coffee, muffin/pastry/donut shop per 766 people?

Seriously.

Over staffed police department?

Eisboch

My god you yankees eat a lot of donuts. Here in Tallahassee (roughly
200,000 people), we have only a single Krispy Kreme and the two Dunkin
Donuts places closed. I preferred Dunkin and will not eat Krispy
kreme.


http://tinyurl.com/v2a3z

I prefer Dunkin doughnut but I quit going there because their doughnuts
tasted like an ashtray. They have a coffe shop (people smoke) where
they
store their doughnuts (uncovered). They have since gone out of
business,
too late for the state law banning smoking in places that serve food to
have
an effect on my eating habits.


Fortunately in Maryland most restaurants have banned smoking. One diner
we visit up in Annapolis has a smoking section, but it literally is
behind glass doors that seal tightly.

We have a nice Italian restaurant in our area that used to allow smokers
in one section, but the owner listened to complaints, shut down the
smoking section and then re-decorated it to get rid of the stench.

There's nothing worse than trying to enjoy a meal and encountering the
stench created by smokers and their filthy habit.

Talk about tyranny of the minority.

~~ sheesh ~~

Oddly, I feel the same way about loud, obnoxious drunks in
restaurants. I think we ought to ban the sales of alcohol in all
restaurants.



I enjoy a glass or 2 of wine with my meal when eating out, as does my wife.
Sometime I have a couple of beers instead, depending on the meal. Your
attitude on this is "I don't drink and no one else should!" You are also
basing your opinion on the actions of a few yet imposing your restriction on
everyone.

And as you know, it will never happen.



Think of the lives that would save. It would help rid the world of
drinkers and their brain addling, liver killing, drunken driving
addiction.
--

"What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup...
is there a computer terminal in the day room of
some looney bin somewhere?"

Bilgeman - circa 2004



I hope you don't light up those stinky cigars inside restaurants or other
buildings. ;-)


Hell.. his wife won't even let him smoke those stinky cigars inside his
home.

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"Don White" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:35:08 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


On 10/27/2006 9:23 AM, Jeff Rigby wrote:

" JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message
...

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
legroups.com...

Eisboch wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
news:p752k2pbqn2tjn20qg6ad8q79o4m6bvhsh@4a x.com...


Now I ask you - why does the town of Putnam need one big corporate
supported coffee, muffin/pastry/donut shop per 766 people?

Seriously.

Over staffed police department?

Eisboch

My god you yankees eat a lot of donuts. Here in Tallahassee (roughly
200,000 people), we have only a single Krispy Kreme and the two
Dunkin
Donuts places closed. I preferred Dunkin and will not eat Krispy
kreme.


http://tinyurl.com/v2a3z

I prefer Dunkin doughnut but I quit going there because their doughnuts
tasted like an ashtray. They have a coffe shop (people smoke) where
they
store their doughnuts (uncovered). They have since gone out of
business,
too late for the state law banning smoking in places that serve food to
have
an effect on my eating habits.


Fortunately in Maryland most restaurants have banned smoking. One diner
we visit up in Annapolis has a smoking section, but it literally is
behind glass doors that seal tightly.

We have a nice Italian restaurant in our area that used to allow smokers
in one section, but the owner listened to complaints, shut down the
smoking section and then re-decorated it to get rid of the stench.

There's nothing worse than trying to enjoy a meal and encountering the
stench created by smokers and their filthy habit.

Talk about tyranny of the minority.

~~ sheesh ~~

Oddly, I feel the same way about loud, obnoxious drunks in
restaurants. I think we ought to ban the sales of alcohol in all
restaurants.



I enjoy a glass or 2 of wine with my meal when eating out, as does my
wife. Sometime I have a couple of beers instead, depending on the meal.
Your attitude on this is "I don't drink and no one else should!" You
are also basing your opinion on the actions of a few yet imposing your
restriction on everyone.

And as you know, it will never happen.



Think of the lives that would save. It would help rid the world of
drinkers and their brain addling, liver killing, drunken driving
addiction.
--

"What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup...
is there a computer terminal in the day room of
some looney bin somewhere?"

Bilgeman - circa 2004



I hope you don't light up those stinky cigars inside restaurants or other
buildings. ;-)
Hell.. his wife won't even let him smoke those stinky cigars inside his
home.

She is obviously a very smart lady.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:44:07 -0400, DSK wrote:

Oddly, I feel the same way about loud, obnoxious drunks in
restaurants.

Or loud obnoxious drunks anywhere. IMHO people who get
obnoxiously drunk should be pushed face down in a ditch,
shot, and left there as an example to others.

Probably wouldn't take long to solve this societal problem.

BOOYA!!!

Let's do it!!!
--

"What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup...
is there a computer terminal in the day room of
some looney bin somewhere?"

Bilgeman - circa 2004

If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but I enjoy the
dividends.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but I enjoy the
dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot more
people than cigars do.
--
I'll bet you're wrong.

By the way, you can't partition off just cigars, unless you do the same
with alcohol, like compare cigar related deaths to, say, gin related
deaths.

http://tiki.oneworld.net/pollution/smoking.html

says that 434,000 people die each year from smoking in the U.S and
60,000 die each year from second hand smoke.

Then this site puts alcohol deaths at 100,000:

http://www.bookmark-manager.com/permalink-41

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
On 10/28/2006 6:25 AM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but I enjoy
the dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot more
people than cigars do.


The objection patrons have to others smoking in restaurants has nothing to
do with the health of the smoker, but with the stench the burning tobacco
creates and the health hazards transmitted by second-hand smoke.

More and more restaurants are converting to total "No Smoking," either on
their own or because local or state laws dictate it. It's the smart thing
to do.

Now, if we could only get parents to control their crying little brats
while they're in restaurants.

Amen to that!

When our kids were young and we went out to eat we would hire a babysitter.
It was a nice escape from the kids for us and we did not subject the folks
in the restaurant to a screaming baby or toddler.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but I enjoy the
dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot more
people than cigars do.
Tom,
As a former smoker I always thought smoking was an enjoyable, filthy,
unhealthy habit. I understood non smokers who did not want to smell or
inhale 2nd hand smoke. Since the mid 80's I only smoked outside and
tried to make sure it was not blowing towards non smokers.

Even if 2nd hand smoke was not proven to unhealthy, the smell alone is
offensive to non cigar smokers, even cigarette smokers.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
On 10/28/2006 6:25 AM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but I enjoy
the dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot more
people than cigars do.


The objection patrons have to others smoking in restaurants has nothing to
do with the health of the smoker, but with the stench the burning tobacco
creates and the health hazards transmitted by second-hand smoke.

More and more restaurants are converting to total "No Smoking," either on
their own or because local or state laws dictate it. It's the smart thing
to do.

My dad handled it nicely once in a restaurant. Tables were very close
together. A guy at the next table was smoking a cigar, and the smoke was
basically engulfing our table. It really messes with the enjoyment of food,
so my dad VERY politely asked him if he could either put it out, or go to
the bar, since they were done eating anyway. The guy just said "No". My dad
asked him again, politely. Again "No". My dad got up, snatched the cigar out
of the guy's hand, dunked it into his water glass, said "Thanks very much",
and sat down. Cigar boy left.

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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
...

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot more
people than cigars do.


Tom,
As a former smoker I always thought smoking was an enjoyable, filthy,
unhealthy habit. I understood non smokers who did not want to smell or
inhale 2nd hand smoke. Since the mid 80's I only smoked outside and tried
to make sure it was not blowing towards non smokers.

Even if 2nd hand smoke was not proven to unhealthy, the smell alone is
offensive to non cigar smokers, even cigarette smokers.


old soldiers never die; they just fade away

Eisboch

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Harry Krause wrote:
On 10/28/2006 6:25 AM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but I
enjoy the dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot more
people than cigars do.


The objection patrons have to others smoking in restaurants has nothing
to do with the health of the smoker, but with the stench the burning
tobacco creates and the health hazards transmitted by second-hand smoke.

I agree with the stench.

The second-hand smoke issue is still up for debate.

More and more restaurants are converting to total "No Smoking," either
on their own or because local or state laws dictate it. It's the smart
thing to do.

Smart is subjective. What is objective is that you patrons can taste the
food rather than the lingering smoke.

Now, if we could only get parents to control their crying little brats
while they're in restaurants.

I enjoy crying little brats in restaurants as long as they are not mine.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
On 10/28/2006 10:35 AM, JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
On 10/28/2006 6:25 AM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but I
enjoy the dividends.
Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot more
people than cigars do.

The objection patrons have to others smoking in restaurants has nothing
to do with the health of the smoker, but with the stench the burning
tobacco creates and the health hazards transmitted by second-hand smoke.

More and more restaurants are converting to total "No Smoking," either
on their own or because local or state laws dictate it. It's the smart
thing to do.

Now, if we could only get parents to control their crying little brats
while they're in restaurants.

Amen to that!

When our kids were young and we went out to eat we would hire a
babysitter. It was a nice escape from the kids for us and we did not
subject the folks in the restaurant to a screaming baby or toddler.


My father expected me to behave properly in a restaurant, so I did.

We just talked to my son and kept him busy with food. He'd already learned
that food which came from us was tasty, so I guess it didn't matter where we
were. The equation was always true: table + food + parents = yum. The only
borderline episode I recall was when he gave some lady that hilarious
toothless smile that babies do, and she couldn't take it any more. She
started laughing and gagging and almost blew coffee out of her nose. That
was her fault. She shouldn't have looked. :-)

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Eisboch wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
...

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot more
people than cigars do.


Tom,
As a former smoker I always thought smoking was an enjoyable, filthy,
unhealthy habit. I understood non smokers who did not want to smell or
inhale 2nd hand smoke. Since the mid 80's I only smoked outside and tried
to make sure it was not blowing towards non smokers.

Even if 2nd hand smoke was not proven to unhealthy, the smell alone is
offensive to non cigar smokers, even cigarette smokers.


old soldiers never die; they just fade away


..... in a puff of smoke.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

On 10/28/2006 10:35 AM, JimH wrote:

When our kids were young and we went out to eat we would hire a
babysitter. It was a nice escape from the kids for us and we did not
subject the folks in the restaurant to a screaming baby or toddler.



My father expected me to behave properly in a restaurant, so I did.

When you were 2?

Eisboch

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"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but I enjoy
the
dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot more
people than cigars do.
--
I'll bet you're wrong.

By the way, you can't partition off just cigars, unless you do the same
with alcohol, like compare cigar related deaths to, say, gin related
deaths.

http://tiki.oneworld.net/pollution/smoking.html

says that 434,000 people die each year from smoking in the U.S and
60,000 die each year from second hand smoke.

Then this site puts alcohol deaths at 100,000:

http://www.bookmark-manager.com/permalink-41


And I think they are full of it, to claim 60k deaths from second hand smoke.
If that was true, you would have a heck of a lot more than 434k dead from
direct injection. I one of those numbers that activitists can throw out and
feel good, and hard to prove otherwise.

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On 10/28/2006 10:35 AM, JimH wrote:
When our kids were young and we went out to eat we would hire a
babysitter. It was a nice escape from the kids for us and we did not
subject the folks in the restaurant to a screaming baby or toddler.


My father expected me to behave properly in a restaurant, so I did.

When you were 2?

Eisboch



I too was perfect from birth.

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On 10/28/2006 10:35 AM, JimH wrote:

When our kids were young and we went out to eat we would hire a
babysitter. It was a nice escape from the kids for us and we did not
subject the folks in the restaurant to a screaming baby or toddler.



My father expected me to behave properly in a restaurant, so I did.

When you were 2?

Eisboch


What's so odd about that? My son caused no problems in restaurants at that
age. He yacked a lot, but he was rarely loud. No tantrums, no crying and
screaming. But, his nap vs fun schedule was easy to work around. We knew
when he normally got tired & cranky, and tried to avoid taking him out at
those times. Some parents are too dumb to spot the pattern.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but I enjoy
the dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot more
people than cigars do.
Tom,
As a former smoker I always thought smoking was an enjoyable, filthy,
unhealthy habit. I understood non smokers who did not want to smell or
inhale 2nd hand smoke. Since the mid 80's I only smoked outside and tried
to make sure it was not blowing towards non smokers.

Even if 2nd hand smoke was not proven to unhealthy, the smell alone is
offensive to non cigar smokers, even cigarette smokers.


Even if smoking is deadly, it is a free choice item. I can and do enjoy it
being banned from the workplace and bars and dining establishments here in
California. But this is supposed to be a free country. If you want to
smoke in your house, or car, you should be able to. Ballot measure this
election to put a $2.60 tax per pack of ciggies. F'n do gooders. They say
it will cut smoking, and 80% will go to hospitals for payment of healthcare
costs. It is still some fanatic group enforcing their mores on another
group. Short Wave is a health care basket case from what I understand, but
it is his choice to smoke. I used to race cars, also can be unhealthy, but
it is still an action of free (well expensive) choice.

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On 10/28/2006 10:35 AM, JimH wrote:

When our kids were young and we went out to eat we would hire a
babysitter. It was a nice escape from the kids for us and we did not
subject the folks in the restaurant to a screaming baby or toddler.



My father expected me to behave properly in a restaurant, so I did.

When you were 2?

Eisboch


What's so odd about that? My son caused no problems in restaurants at that
age. He yacked a lot, but he was rarely loud. No tantrums, no crying and
screaming. But, his nap vs fun schedule was easy to work around. We knew
when he normally got tired & cranky, and tried to avoid taking him out at
those times. Some parents are too dumb to spot the pattern.


I see.

Eisboch

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On 10/28/2006 10:35 AM, JimH wrote:
When our kids were young and we went out to eat we would hire a
babysitter. It was a nice escape from the kids for us and we did not
subject the folks in the restaurant to a screaming baby or toddler.

My father expected me to behave properly in a restaurant, so I did.
When you were 2?

Eisboch

What's so odd about that? My son caused no problems in restaurants at that
age. He yacked a lot, but he was rarely loud. No tantrums, no crying and
screaming. But, his nap vs fun schedule was easy to work around. We knew
when he normally got tired & cranky, and tried to avoid taking him out at
those times. Some parents are too dumb to spot the pattern.


I see.

Eisboch


Eishoch,

Did I mention that my 3 kids were perfect also?

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On 10/28/2006 10:35 AM, JimH wrote:

When our kids were young and we went out to eat we would hire a
babysitter. It was a nice escape from the kids for us and we did not
subject the folks in the restaurant to a screaming baby or toddler.



My father expected me to behave properly in a restaurant, so I did.

When you were 2?

Eisboch


What's so odd about that? My son caused no problems in restaurants at that
age. He yacked a lot, but he was rarely loud. No tantrums, no crying and
screaming. But, his nap vs fun schedule was easy to work around. We knew
when he normally got tired & cranky, and tried to avoid taking him out at
those times. Some parents are too dumb to spot the pattern.


Maybe you just did not notice it. When I am in an upscale restaurant for a
later evening meal that is costing me in the range of a $100 I do not want
someone's child inflicted on me. I paid for babysitters when they were
young and there are appropriate places to take you child to for dinner, but
not at 9 pm and the Carnelian room.

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What's so odd about that? My son caused no problems in restaurants at
that age. He yacked a lot, but he was rarely loud. No tantrums, no
crying and screaming. But, his nap vs fun schedule was easy to work
around. We knew when he normally got tired & cranky, and tried to avoid
taking him out at those times. Some parents are too dumb to spot the
pattern.


I see.

Eisboch
Eishoch,

Did I mention that my 3 kids were perfect also?


Perfect parents with perfect kids. What's this world coming to ....?

Eisboch

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What's so odd about that? My son caused no problems in restaurants at
that age. He yacked a lot, but he was rarely loud. No tantrums, no crying
and screaming. But, his nap vs fun schedule was easy to work around. We
knew when he normally got tired & cranky, and tried to avoid taking him
out at those times. Some parents are too dumb to spot the pattern.


Maybe you just did not notice it. When I am in an upscale restaurant for
a later evening meal that is costing me in the range of a $100 I do not
want someone's child inflicted on me. I paid for babysitters when they
were young and there are appropriate places to take you child to for
dinner, but not at 9 pm and the Carnelian room.


That's what I recall doing when our kids were little. There are places to
take toddlers and there are places not to take them. Expecting them to be
perfectly behaved at that age is unrealistic and frankly not good for the
kid, IMO. Part of the learning process is misbehaving and learning the
consequences. A kid that never needs to be diciplined by avoiding
situations where they require it is going to have a tough time later in
life, IMO.

Dr. Spock

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On 10/28/2006 10:35 AM, JimH wrote:

When our kids were young and we went out to eat we would hire a
babysitter. It was a nice escape from the kids for us and we did not
subject the folks in the restaurant to a screaming baby or toddler.



My father expected me to behave properly in a restaurant, so I did.

When you were 2?

Eisboch


What's so odd about that? My son caused no problems in restaurants at
that age. He yacked a lot, but he was rarely loud. No tantrums, no crying
and screaming. But, his nap vs fun schedule was easy to work around. We
knew when he normally got tired & cranky, and tried to avoid taking him
out at those times. Some parents are too dumb to spot the pattern.


I see.

Eisboch

You see? You seem to doubt it. But, why do we hear so many screaming babies
in public places? Are they all feeling sick? Are some kids allergic to
supermarkets? Of course not. They just don't want to be there for some
reason. I had a blast with my son at the supermarket. Too bad the only way
to get him there now is to hog-tie him and drag him in.

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On 10/28/2006 10:35 AM, JimH wrote:

When our kids were young and we went out to eat we would hire a
babysitter. It was a nice escape from the kids for us and we did not
subject the folks in the restaurant to a screaming baby or toddler.



My father expected me to behave properly in a restaurant, so I did.

When you were 2?

Eisboch


What's so odd about that? My son caused no problems in restaurants at
that age. He yacked a lot, but he was rarely loud. No tantrums, no crying
and screaming. But, his nap vs fun schedule was easy to work around. We
knew when he normally got tired & cranky, and tried to avoid taking him
out at those times. Some parents are too dumb to spot the pattern.


Maybe you just did not notice it. When I am in an upscale restaurant for
a later evening meal that is costing me in the range of a $100 I do not
want someone's child inflicted on me. I paid for babysitters when they
were young and there are appropriate places to take you child to for
dinner, but not at 9 pm and the Carnelian room.


If the kid's sounds are no louder than that of the adults, what is the
issue? You don't want to see babies?

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but I
enjoy the dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot more
people than cigars do.
Tom,
As a former smoker I always thought smoking was an enjoyable, filthy,
unhealthy habit. I understood non smokers who did not want to smell or
inhale 2nd hand smoke. Since the mid 80's I only smoked outside and
tried to make sure it was not blowing towards non smokers.

Even if 2nd hand smoke was not proven to unhealthy, the smell alone is
offensive to non cigar smokers, even cigarette smokers.


Even if smoking is deadly, it is a free choice item. I can and do enjoy
it being banned from the workplace and bars and dining establishments here
in California. But this is supposed to be a free country. If you want to
smoke in your house, or car, you should be able to. Ballot measure this
election to put a $2.60 tax per pack of ciggies. F'n do gooders. They
say it will cut smoking, and 80% will go to hospitals for payment of
healthcare costs. It is still some fanatic group enforcing their mores on
another group. Short Wave is a health care basket case from what I
understand, but it is his choice to smoke. I used to race cars, also can
be unhealthy, but it is still an action of free (well expensive) choice.


Here (NY), when the tax jumped in a big way, the two major manufacturers
apparently had enough room in their margins to whack the price. They're
still about five bucks a pack. Predictions were around seven. Never
happened.

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What's so odd about that? My son caused no problems in restaurants at
that age. He yacked a lot, but he was rarely loud. No tantrums, no
crying and screaming. But, his nap vs fun schedule was easy to work
around. We knew when he normally got tired & cranky, and tried to avoid
taking him out at those times. Some parents are too dumb to spot the
pattern.


Maybe you just did not notice it. When I am in an upscale restaurant for
a later evening meal that is costing me in the range of a $100 I do not
want someone's child inflicted on me. I paid for babysitters when they
were young and there are appropriate places to take you child to for
dinner, but not at 9 pm and the Carnelian room.


That's what I recall doing when our kids were little. There are places to
take toddlers and there are places not to take them. Expecting them to be
perfectly behaved at that age is unrealistic and frankly not good for the
kid, IMO. Part of the learning process is misbehaving and learning the
consequences. A kid that never needs to be diciplined by avoiding
situations where they require it is going to have a tough time later in
life, IMO.

Dr. Spock

That's why I didn't give him a loaded handgun until he was three.

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On 10/28/2006 10:35 AM, JimH wrote:
When our kids were young and we went out to eat we would hire a
babysitter. It was a nice escape from the kids for us and we did not
subject the folks in the restaurant to a screaming baby or toddler.

My father expected me to behave properly in a restaurant, so I did.
When you were 2?

Eisboch

What's so odd about that? My son caused no problems in restaurants at that
age. He yacked a lot, but he was rarely loud. No tantrums, no crying and
screaming. But, his nap vs fun schedule was easy to work around. We knew
when he normally got tired & cranky, and tried to avoid taking him out at
those times. Some parents are too dumb to spot the pattern.


Maybe you just did not notice it. When I am in an upscale restaurant for a
later evening meal that is costing me in the range of a $100 I do not want
someone's child inflicted on me. I paid for babysitters when they were
young and there are appropriate places to take you child to for dinner, but
not at 9 pm and the Carnelian room.



Bill,
I completely agree with all of your points and they are excellent
guidelines for parents to follow. I think what Eisboch was commenting
on are those people who "expect" an infant to behave as an adult. No
matter what you "expect", an infant can and will get cranky especially
if they are tired or hungry.

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BTW .... that's a great picture ... over there.

Eisboch

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On 10/28/2006 10:35 AM, JimH wrote:

When our kids were young and we went out to eat we would hire a
babysitter. It was a nice escape from the kids for us and we did not
subject the folks in the restaurant to a screaming baby or toddler.



My father expected me to behave properly in a restaurant, so I did.

When you were 2?

Eisboch


What's so odd about that? My son caused no problems in restaurants at
that age. He yacked a lot, but he was rarely loud. No tantrums, no
crying and screaming. But, his nap vs fun schedule was easy to work
around. We knew when he normally got tired & cranky, and tried to avoid
taking him out at those times. Some parents are too dumb to spot the
pattern.


Maybe you just did not notice it. When I am in an upscale restaurant for
a later evening meal that is costing me in the range of a $100 I do not
want someone's child inflicted on me. I paid for babysitters when they
were young and there are appropriate places to take you child to for
dinner, but not at 9 pm and the Carnelian room.


If the kid's sounds are no louder than that of the adults, what is the
issue? You don't want to see babies?


Babies are nice, but their sounds can be much louder and annoying than
adults. Since my kids were not perfect like yours, they got tired and
cranky.

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On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:52:22 +0000, Calif Bill wrote:


Even if smoking is deadly, it is a free choice item. I can and do enjoy it
being banned from the workplace and bars and dining establishments here in
California. But this is supposed to be a free country. If you want to
smoke in your house, or car, you should be able to. Ballot measure this
election to put a $2.60 tax per pack of ciggies. F'n do gooders. They say
it will cut smoking, and 80% will go to hospitals for payment of healthcare
costs. It is still some fanatic group enforcing their mores on another
group. Short Wave is a health care basket case from what I understand, but
it is his choice to smoke. I used to race cars, also can be unhealthy, but
it is still an action of free (well expensive) choice.

While I agree in principle, there are costs, and they should be bore by
those involved. Disregarding lost productivity, it has been estimated
$3.45 per pack, is spent on smoking related medical costs. Personally,
that ballot measure seems pretty fair.

http://www.cdc.gov/od/oc/Media/pressrel/r020412.htm

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On 10/28/2006 10:35 AM, JimH wrote:
When our kids were young and we went out to eat we would hire a
babysitter. It was a nice escape from the kids for us and we did not
subject the folks in the restaurant to a screaming baby or toddler.

My father expected me to behave properly in a restaurant, so I did.
When you were 2?

Eisboch

What's so odd about that? My son caused no problems in restaurants at
that age. He yacked a lot, but he was rarely loud. No tantrums, no
crying and screaming. But, his nap vs fun schedule was easy to work
around. We knew when he normally got tired & cranky, and tried to avoid
taking him out at those times. Some parents are too dumb to spot the
pattern.

Maybe you just did not notice it. When I am in an upscale restaurant for
a later evening meal that is costing me in the range of a $100 I do not
want someone's child inflicted on me. I paid for babysitters when they
were young and there are appropriate places to take you child to for
dinner, but not at 9 pm and the Carnelian room.

If the kid's sounds are no louder than that of the adults, what is the
issue? You don't want to see babies?


Babies are nice, but their sounds can be much louder and annoying than
adults. Since my kids were not perfect like yours, they got tired and
cranky.



Damn, imagine that. An infant who is not perfect and behaves like an
infant. Must be an indication of bad parents. ;)