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On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
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If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but I
enjoy the dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot
more
people than cigars do.


The objection patrons have to others smoking in restaurants has
nothing to do with the health of the smoker, but with the stench the
burning tobacco creates and the health hazards transmitted by
second-hand smoke.

More and more restaurants are converting to total "No Smoking,"
either on their own or because local or state laws dictate it. It's
the smart thing to do.


My dad handled it nicely once in a restaurant. Tables were very close
together. A guy at the next table was smoking a cigar, and the smoke
was basically engulfing our table. It really messes with the enjoyment
of food, so my dad VERY politely asked him if he could either put it
out, or go to the bar, since they were done eating anyway. The guy
just said "No". My dad asked him again, politely. Again "No". My dad
got up, snatched the cigar out of the guy's hand, dunked it into his
water glass, said "Thanks very much", and sat down. Cigar boy left.

Sure he did.


You were there? Theresa's Restaurant, Glen Cove NY. Probably 1967-ish.

It must be true if you can name a restaurant and a rough time frame.


Yes, it's true. Sorry if your father wasn't able to do what was right for
his family.

Sure, your father is a HERO. Call Time Magazine..


Why do you object to my father's actions?



It was a nice STORY. Let's leave it at that.

What proof do you have that it didn't happen, Dan?

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On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:





If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but
I enjoy the dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent
lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot
more
people than cigars do.


The objection patrons have to others smoking in restaurants has
nothing to do with the health of the smoker, but with the stench
the burning tobacco creates and the health hazards transmitted by
second-hand smoke.

More and more restaurants are converting to total "No Smoking,"
either on their own or because local or state laws dictate it. It's
the smart thing to do.


My dad handled it nicely once in a restaurant. Tables were very
close together. A guy at the next table was smoking a cigar, and the
smoke was basically engulfing our table. It really messes with the
enjoyment of food, so my dad VERY politely asked him if he could
either put it out, or go to the bar, since they were done eating
anyway. The guy just said "No". My dad asked him again, politely.
Again "No". My dad got up, snatched the cigar out of the guy's hand,
dunked it into his water glass, said "Thanks very much", and sat
down. Cigar boy left.

Sure he did.


You were there? Theresa's Restaurant, Glen Cove NY. Probably 1967-ish.

It must be true if you can name a restaurant and a rough time frame.


Yes, it's true. Sorry if your father wasn't able to do what was right
for his family.

Sure, your father is a HERO. Call Time Magazine..


Why do you object to my father's actions?

It was a nice STORY. Let's leave it at that.


No, Dan. It happened. It's a description of a management style you are
unaccustomed to. Some people wait for things to improve. Some people improve
things. If you see a bad situation and say "Oh well - nothing I can do about
it", so be it. I'm sorry you were raised that way. It's pathetic.

His type does nothing but whine about a given problem, does nothing to
*fix* the problem.

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On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit,
but I
enjoy
the
dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent
lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a
lot
more
people than cigars do.
--
I'll bet you're wrong.

By the way, you can't partition off just cigars, unless you do
the
same
with alcohol, like compare cigar related deaths to, say, gin
related
deaths.

http://tiki.oneworld.net/pollution/smoking.html

says that 434,000 people die each year from smoking in the U.S
and
60,000 die each year from second hand smoke.

Then this site puts alcohol deaths at 100,000:

http://www.bookmark-manager.com/permalink-41


And I think they are full of it, to claim 60k deaths from second
hand
smoke.
If that was true, you would have a heck of a lot more than 434k
dead
from
direct injection. I one of those numbers that activitists can
throw
out
and
feel good, and hard to prove otherwise.

No those figures are pretty accurate. They don't just dream them
up,
as
you think. Statistics is an interesting field, and if you think
that
they just come up with numbers off the top of their head, you are
sadly
mistaken.


There is so much controversy on 2nd hand illnesses. My buddy
smoked,
he
is
healthy but his wife got breast cancer. Is that a 2nd hand effect?

Could be.


Could be or may not be. But that is the problem with the statistics.

Only fools and idiots prefer to make up their own minds regardless of
data showing otherwise.


And where is the data?

I guess you fit in the catagory quite well. I GAVE you the data. Did
you look at it?



Whoosh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yup, it apparently went WAY over your head. Again, you have the data,
so what are you NOW asking for?

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On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy
habit,
but I
enjoy
the
dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering
innocent
lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell
of a
lot
more
people than cigars do.
--
I'll bet you're wrong.

By the way, you can't partition off just cigars, unless you
do
the
same
with alcohol, like compare cigar related deaths to, say,
gin
related
deaths.

http://tiki.oneworld.net/pollution/smoking.html

says that 434,000 people die each year from smoking in the
U.S
and
60,000 die each year from second hand smoke.

Then this site puts alcohol deaths at 100,000:

http://www.bookmark-manager.com/permalink-41


And I think they are full of it, to claim 60k deaths from
second
hand
smoke.
If that was true, you would have a heck of a lot more than
434k
dead
from
direct injection. I one of those numbers that activitists
can
throw
out
and
feel good, and hard to prove otherwise.

No those figures are pretty accurate. They don't just dream
them
up,
as
you think. Statistics is an interesting field, and if you
think
that
they just come up with numbers off the top of their head, you
are
sadly
mistaken.


There is so much controversy on 2nd hand illnesses. My buddy
smoked,
he
is
healthy but his wife got breast cancer. Is that a 2nd hand
effect?

Could be.


Could be or may not be. But that is the problem with the
statistics.

Only fools and idiots prefer to make up their own minds regardless
of
data showing otherwise.


And where is the data?

I guess you fit in the catagory quite well. I GAVE you the data. Did
you look at it?



Whoosh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yup, it apparently went WAY over your head. Again, you have the data,
so what are you NOW asking for?


Maybe you are intellectually challenged. The question is what is the valid
data thrown in the pot. If the husband smokes, and the wife gets breast
cancer, did the second hand smoke cause the cancer? According to some, yes.
Just because there was a smoker in the house. But is that a valid
assumption?

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On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy
habit,
but I
enjoy
the
dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering
innocent
lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell
of a
lot
more
people than cigars do.
--
I'll bet you're wrong.

By the way, you can't partition off just cigars, unless you
do
the
same
with alcohol, like compare cigar related deaths to, say,
gin
related
deaths.

http://tiki.oneworld.net/pollution/smoking.html

says that 434,000 people die each year from smoking in the
U.S
and
60,000 die each year from second hand smoke.

Then this site puts alcohol deaths at 100,000:

http://www.bookmark-manager.com/permalink-41


And I think they are full of it, to claim 60k deaths from
second
hand
smoke.
If that was true, you would have a heck of a lot more than
434k
dead
from
direct injection. I one of those numbers that activitists
can
throw
out
and
feel good, and hard to prove otherwise.

No those figures are pretty accurate. They don't just dream
them
up,
as
you think. Statistics is an interesting field, and if you
think
that
they just come up with numbers off the top of their head, you
are
sadly
mistaken.


There is so much controversy on 2nd hand illnesses. My buddy
smoked,
he
is
healthy but his wife got breast cancer. Is that a 2nd hand
effect?

Could be.


Could be or may not be. But that is the problem with the
statistics.

Only fools and idiots prefer to make up their own minds regardless
of
data showing otherwise.


And where is the data?

I guess you fit in the catagory quite well. I GAVE you the data. Did
you look at it?



Whoosh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yup, it apparently went WAY over your head. Again, you have the data,
so what are you NOW asking for?


Maybe you are intellectually challenged. The question is what is the valid
data thrown in the pot. If the husband smokes, and the wife gets breast
cancer, did the second hand smoke cause the cancer? According to some, yes.
Just because there was a smoker in the house. But is that a valid
assumption?

Maybe you are intellecually challenged. No one, including the data I
gave you ever stated that second hand smoke does or does not cause
breast cancer. BUT, data DOES show that second hand smoke IS
carcinogenic. Again, only fools and idiots prefer to make up their own
minds regardless of what good data shows.

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On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:






If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but I
enjoy the dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot
more
people than cigars do.


The objection patrons have to others smoking in restaurants has
nothing to do with the health of the smoker, but with the stench the
burning tobacco creates and the health hazards transmitted by
second-hand smoke.

More and more restaurants are converting to total "No Smoking,"
either on their own or because local or state laws dictate it. It's
the smart thing to do.


My dad handled it nicely once in a restaurant. Tables were very close
together. A guy at the next table was smoking a cigar, and the smoke
was basically engulfing our table. It really messes with the enjoyment
of food, so my dad VERY politely asked him if he could either put it
out, or go to the bar, since they were done eating anyway. The guy
just said "No". My dad asked him again, politely. Again "No". My dad
got up, snatched the cigar out of the guy's hand, dunked it into his
water glass, said "Thanks very much", and sat down. Cigar boy left.

Sure he did.


You were there? Theresa's Restaurant, Glen Cove NY. Probably 1967-ish.

It must be true if you can name a restaurant and a rough time frame.


Yes, it's true. Sorry if your father wasn't able to do what was right for
his family.

Sure, your father is a HERO. Call Time Magazine..


Why do you object to my father's actions?



It was a nice STORY. Let's leave it at that.


What proof do you have that it didn't happen, Dan?


Glen Cove Times 1967. Look it up.

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On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:






If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but
I enjoy the dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent
lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot
more
people than cigars do.


The objection patrons have to others smoking in restaurants has
nothing to do with the health of the smoker, but with the stench
the burning tobacco creates and the health hazards transmitted by
second-hand smoke.

More and more restaurants are converting to total "No Smoking,"
either on their own or because local or state laws dictate it. It's
the smart thing to do.


My dad handled it nicely once in a restaurant. Tables were very
close together. A guy at the next table was smoking a cigar, and the
smoke was basically engulfing our table. It really messes with the
enjoyment of food, so my dad VERY politely asked him if he could
either put it out, or go to the bar, since they were done eating
anyway. The guy just said "No". My dad asked him again, politely.
Again "No". My dad got up, snatched the cigar out of the guy's hand,
dunked it into his water glass, said "Thanks very much", and sat
down. Cigar boy left.

Sure he did.


You were there? Theresa's Restaurant, Glen Cove NY. Probably 1967-ish.

It must be true if you can name a restaurant and a rough time frame.


Yes, it's true. Sorry if your father wasn't able to do what was right
for his family.

Sure, your father is a HERO. Call Time Magazine..


Why do you object to my father's actions?

It was a nice STORY. Let's leave it at that.


No, Dan. It happened. It's a description of a management style you are
unaccustomed to. Some people wait for things to improve. Some people improve
things. If you see a bad situation and say "Oh well - nothing I can do about
it", so be it. I'm sorry you were raised that way. It's pathetic.


His type does nothing but whine about a given problem, does nothing to
*fix* the problem.


What problem and why are you even involved in this, Kevin?

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On 10/28/2006 6:25 AM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:





On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:






If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit, but
I enjoy the dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent
lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a lot
more
people than cigars do.


The objection patrons have to others smoking in restaurants has
nothing to do with the health of the smoker, but with the stench
the burning tobacco creates and the health hazards transmitted by
second-hand smoke.

More and more restaurants are converting to total "No Smoking,"
either on their own or because local or state laws dictate it. It's
the smart thing to do.


My dad handled it nicely once in a restaurant. Tables were very
close together. A guy at the next table was smoking a cigar, and the
smoke was basically engulfing our table. It really messes with the
enjoyment of food, so my dad VERY politely asked him if he could
either put it out, or go to the bar, since they were done eating
anyway. The guy just said "No". My dad asked him again, politely.
Again "No". My dad got up, snatched the cigar out of the guy's hand,
dunked it into his water glass, said "Thanks very much", and sat
down. Cigar boy left.

Sure he did.


You were there? Theresa's Restaurant, Glen Cove NY. Probably 1967-ish.

It must be true if you can name a restaurant and a rough time frame.


Yes, it's true. Sorry if your father wasn't able to do what was right
for his family.

Sure, your father is a HERO. Call Time Magazine..


Why do you object to my father's actions?

It was a nice STORY. Let's leave it at that.



No, Dan. It happened. It's a description of a management style you are
unaccustomed to. Some people wait for things to improve. Some people improve
things. If you see a bad situation and say "Oh well - nothing I can do about
it", so be it. I'm sorry you were raised that way. It's pathetic.



Pathetic? If your story had any truth, your dad would have had his ass
kicked. "Cigar boy left."?

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On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy
habit,
but I
enjoy
the
dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering
innocent
lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a
hell
of a
lot
more
people than cigars do.
--
I'll bet you're wrong.

By the way, you can't partition off just cigars, unless
you
do
the
same
with alcohol, like compare cigar related deaths to, say,
gin
related
deaths.

http://tiki.oneworld.net/pollution/smoking.html

says that 434,000 people die each year from smoking in
the
U.S
and
60,000 die each year from second hand smoke.

Then this site puts alcohol deaths at 100,000:

http://www.bookmark-manager.com/permalink-41


And I think they are full of it, to claim 60k deaths from
second
hand
smoke.
If that was true, you would have a heck of a lot more than
434k
dead
from
direct injection. I one of those numbers that activitists
can
throw
out
and
feel good, and hard to prove otherwise.

No those figures are pretty accurate. They don't just dream
them
up,
as
you think. Statistics is an interesting field, and if you
think
that
they just come up with numbers off the top of their head,
you
are
sadly
mistaken.


There is so much controversy on 2nd hand illnesses. My buddy
smoked,
he
is
healthy but his wife got breast cancer. Is that a 2nd hand
effect?

Could be.


Could be or may not be. But that is the problem with the
statistics.

Only fools and idiots prefer to make up their own minds
regardless
of
data showing otherwise.


And where is the data?

I guess you fit in the catagory quite well. I GAVE you the data. Did
you look at it?



Whoosh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yup, it apparently went WAY over your head. Again, you have the data,
so what are you NOW asking for?


Maybe you are intellectually challenged. The question is what is the
valid
data thrown in the pot. If the husband smokes, and the wife gets breast
cancer, did the second hand smoke cause the cancer? According to some,
yes.
Just because there was a smoker in the house. But is that a valid
assumption?

Maybe you are intellecually challenged. No one, including the data I
gave you ever stated that second hand smoke does or does not cause
breast cancer. BUT, data DOES show that second hand smoke IS
carcinogenic. Again, only fools and idiots prefer to make up their own
minds regardless of what good data shows.


And I still ask, how is the data valid? What constitutes valid data on 2nd
hand smoke deaths?

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On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 04:02:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:






If you going to smoke, smoke an Altria brand. Filthy habit,
but I enjoy the dividends.

Filthy habits are drinking to excess and endangering innocent
lives.

I'd be willing to bet that drinking alcohol kills a hell of a
lot more
people than cigars do.


The objection patrons have to others smoking in restaurants has
nothing to do with the health of the smoker, but with the stench
the burning tobacco creates and the health hazards transmitted by
second-hand smoke.

More and more restaurants are converting to total "No Smoking,"
either on their own or because local or state laws dictate it.
It's the smart thing to do.


My dad handled it nicely once in a restaurant. Tables were very
close together. A guy at the next table was smoking a cigar, and
the smoke was basically engulfing our table. It really messes with
the enjoyment of food, so my dad VERY politely asked him if he
could either put it out, or go to the bar, since they were done
eating anyway. The guy just said "No". My dad asked him again,
politely. Again "No". My dad got up, snatched the cigar out of the
guy's hand, dunked it into his water glass, said "Thanks very
much", and sat down. Cigar boy left.

Sure he did.


You were there? Theresa's Restaurant, Glen Cove NY. Probably
1967-ish.

It must be true if you can name a restaurant and a rough time frame.


Yes, it's true. Sorry if your father wasn't able to do what was right
for his family.

Sure, your father is a HERO. Call Time Magazine..


Why do you object to my father's actions?

It was a nice STORY. Let's leave it at that.



No, Dan. It happened. It's a description of a management style you are
unaccustomed to. Some people wait for things to improve. Some people
improve things. If you see a bad situation and say "Oh well - nothing I
can do about it", so be it. I'm sorry you were raised that way. It's
pathetic.

Pathetic? If your story had any truth, your dad would have had his ass
kicked. "Cigar boy left."?

Yah OK. He started boxing in 1943 while serving on an aircraft carrier in
the Pacific. His captain found that disciplining people who hated Jews and
Italians didn't work. He orchestrated a boxing thing, and then looked the
other way as the bigots got beaten to a pulp one by one. The situation
improved. My father continued boxing and teaching the skill until 1959, when
his new job began to consume more of his recreational time. If cigar boy had
started anything, I doubt he would've lasted more than a few seconds, based
on something I saw my father do in a parking lot, when someone said
something unseemly to my mother.

He didn't need to raise a finger to deal with cigar boy. As any skilled
bouncer will tell you, you can get someone to leave using nothing more than
the look in your eye, a posture, and the right words.

If you have any other information about my father that I'm not aware of, I
can't wait to hear it.