I over-torqued four bolts in the lower unit of an outboard, and the
heads of three bolts broke off. I managed to remove one of the broken
bolt using a Dremel tool and a diamond grind bit. But I cannot remove
the other two broken bolts using the Dremel tool. Based on the past
posts in this newsgroup, I learn that the best option in this situation
is to drill out the broken bolts. I would like to learn the details of
the way to drill out the broken bolts. My question is:

Which size of drill bit do I need? Should it be as large as the hole
where the broken bolt is?

Related questions:

The bolts are for securing the water pump housing for the
impeller. The hole for the bolt is at the edge of the water pump base
-- meaning that one side of the hole is kind of thin -- something like
3/32" thick. The bolt itself is like 1/4" or slightly larger. Because
I have over-torqued the bolts, I found that the holes pretty much losed
most of the thread. If I drill out the bolts, I probably will find
that the holes will become even larger. If I re-thread the hole after
drilling out the bolts, I am afraid that the holes will be even larger.
I am afraid that there will not be enough metal left. Is my
estimation correct? I am wondering whether I may be better off somehow
pouring in new metal into the holes and drill new holes instead of
rethreading/enlarging the existing holes?

The other thing is that there is supposed to have a gasket on top
of the surface. I am wondering if I rethread and enlarge the holes,
there may not be enough metal at the edge of the water pump base to
bite into the gasket and prevent water from getting into the bolt. Is
this something that I need to worry about?

Thanks in advance for any info.

Jay Chan

wrote in message
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I over-torqued four bolts in the lower unit of an outboard, and the
heads of three bolts broke off. I managed to remove one of the broken
bolt using a Dremel tool and a diamond grind bit. But I cannot remove
the other two broken bolts using the Dremel tool. Based on the past
posts in this newsgroup, I learn that the best option in this situation
is to drill out the broken bolts. I would like to learn the details of
the way to drill out the broken bolts. My question is:

Which size of drill bit do I need? Should it be as large as the hole
where the broken bolt is?


Call around to hardware stores and ask if they sell spiral screw extractors.
Before you jump in the car, measure the diameter of the bolt shafts you need
to remove. And, if you know the socket size that fits the heads, write that
down too.

wrote:
:I over-torqued four bolts in the lower unit of an outboard, and the
:heads of three bolts broke off. I managed to remove one of the broken
:bolt using a Dremel tool and a diamond grind bit. But I cannot remove
:the other two broken bolts using the Dremel tool. Based on the past
osts in this newsgroup, I learn that the best option in this situation
:is to drill out the broken bolts. I would like to learn the details of
:the way to drill out the broken bolts. My question is:

:Which size of drill bit do I need? Should it be as large as the hole
:where the broken bolt is?

The best way to do this is to get a selection of left-handed drill
bits. These have the twist going the opposite way from a normal twist
drill. You have to run your drill in reverse to drill a hole with one
of these. That means, in addition to puting a hole in the bolt, you
apply some anti-clockwise force to the bolt, which may back it out.
Start with a small bit; drill exactly in the center, exactly
perpendicular to the hole. Then move up to a bigger bit, and repeat.
Increase the size of the bit until you're using a bit the size of the
minor diamter of the bolt (the diameter of the round part of the
bolt, minus the threads.). Then you can use a pick to pick the
threads from the bolt out of the threads in the hole. You could also
drill a hole, and try an EZ-out.

There's a better description he
http://www.dimebank.com/tech/BrokenBolt.html

:Related questions:

: The bolts are for securing the water pump housing for the
:impeller. The hole for the bolt is at the edge of the water pump base
:-- meaning that one side of the hole is kind of thin -- something like
:3/32" thick. The bolt itself is like 1/4" or slightly larger. Because
:I have over-torqued the bolts, I found that the holes pretty much losed
:most of the thread. If I drill out the bolts, I probably will find
:that the holes will become even larger. If I re-thread the hole after
:drilling out the bolts, I am afraid that the holes will be even larger.
: I am afraid that there will not be enough metal left. Is my
:estimation correct? I am wondering whether I may be better off somehow
ouring in new metal into the holes and drill new holes instead of
:rethreading/enlarging the existing holes?

There are thread inserts, called heli-coils (that's the brand name of
the original, and best, there are others), that may solve this problem
for you. The hole needs to be drilled oversize, roughly to the major
diamter of the hold hole, and then it's tapped for the insert. The
insert is a coild of wire that allows the use of the original sized
fastener.

David

If he's worried about how much metal is left then helicoils are
probably out of the question.

The most important thing is to try very hard to drill down the center
of the remaining bolt. It helps to grind the top flat and center punch
before drilling. The surrounding metal in this case is far softer than
the bolt so getting off center will be a big problem.

Sometimes it is hard to use easy outs on smaller bolts because they
tend to spread the bolt material out further jaming it in the hole.

Sometimes I've been able to find a metric size that is slightly bigger
than the american size and tap the hole to the metric size
successfully. This is usually closer than the next size up america
size.

It is pretty hard to get anything into the hole to replace missing
metal since I'm thinking you are working with cast aluminum. If it
gets that bad then maybe securing threaded studs into the holes with
epoxy might be worth a try. Particularly if there is some thread left.
Then use nuts to secure the water pump.

David Scheidt wrote:
wrote:
:I over-torqued four bolts in the lower unit of an outboard, and the
:heads of three bolts broke off. I managed to remove one of the broken
:bolt using a Dremel tool and a diamond grind bit. But I cannot remove
:the other two broken bolts using the Dremel tool. Based on the past
osts in this newsgroup, I learn that the best option in this situation
:is to drill out the broken bolts. I would like to learn the details of
:the way to drill out the broken bolts. My question is:

:Which size of drill bit do I need? Should it be as large as the hole
:where the broken bolt is?

The best way to do this is to get a selection of left-handed drill
bits. These have the twist going the opposite way from a normal twist
drill. You have to run your drill in reverse to drill a hole with one
of these. That means, in addition to puting a hole in the bolt, you
apply some anti-clockwise force to the bolt, which may back it out.
Start with a small bit; drill exactly in the center, exactly
perpendicular to the hole. Then move up to a bigger bit, and repeat.
Increase the size of the bit until you're using a bit the size of the
minor diamter of the bolt (the diameter of the round part of the
bolt, minus the threads.). Then you can use a pick to pick the
threads from the bolt out of the threads in the hole. You could also
drill a hole, and try an EZ-out.

There's a better description he
http://www.dimebank.com/tech/BrokenBolt.html

:Related questions:

: The bolts are for securing the water pump housing for the
:impeller. The hole for the bolt is at the edge of the water pump base
:-- meaning that one side of the hole is kind of thin -- something like
:3/32" thick. The bolt itself is like 1/4" or slightly larger. Because
:I have over-torqued the bolts, I found that the holes pretty much losed
:most of the thread. If I drill out the bolts, I probably will find
:that the holes will become even larger. If I re-thread the hole after
:drilling out the bolts, I am afraid that the holes will be even larger.
: I am afraid that there will not be enough metal left. Is my
:estimation correct? I am wondering whether I may be better off somehow
ouring in new metal into the holes and drill new holes instead of
:rethreading/enlarging the existing holes?

There are thread inserts, called heli-coils (that's the brand name of
the original, and best, there are others), that may solve this problem
for you. The hole needs to be drilled oversize, roughly to the major
diamter of the hold hole, and then it's tapped for the insert. The
insert is a coild of wire that allows the use of the original sized
fastener.

David

I wanna know how you broke *three*.
I mean - after you broke one... didn't a clue rake at least try to hit you
over the head about the rest of them?

-W



wrote in message
ups.com...
I over-torqued four bolts in the lower unit of an outboard, and the
heads of three bolts broke off. I managed to remove one of the broken
bolt using a Dremel tool and a diamond grind bit. But I cannot remove
the other two broken bolts using the Dremel tool. Based on the past
posts in this newsgroup, I learn that the best option in this situation
is to drill out the broken bolts. I would like to learn the details of
the way to drill out the broken bolts. My question is:

Which size of drill bit do I need? Should it be as large as the hole
where the broken bolt is?

Related questions:

The bolts are for securing the water pump housing for the
impeller. The hole for the bolt is at the edge of the water pump base
-- meaning that one side of the hole is kind of thin -- something like
3/32" thick. The bolt itself is like 1/4" or slightly larger. Because
I have over-torqued the bolts, I found that the holes pretty much losed
most of the thread. If I drill out the bolts, I probably will find
that the holes will become even larger. If I re-thread the hole after
drilling out the bolts, I am afraid that the holes will be even larger.
I am afraid that there will not be enough metal left. Is my
estimation correct? I am wondering whether I may be better off somehow
pouring in new metal into the holes and drill new holes instead of
rethreading/enlarging the existing holes?

The other thing is that there is supposed to have a gasket on top
of the surface. I am wondering if I rethread and enlarge the holes,
there may not be enough metal at the edge of the water pump base to
bite into the gasket and prevent water from getting into the bolt. Is
this something that I need to worry about?

Thanks in advance for any info.

Jay Chan

"Clams Canino" wrote in message
news

I wanna know how you broke *three*.
I mean - after you broke one... didn't a clue rake at least try to hit you
over the head about the rest of them?

-W


He broke the first two ... first.

Eisboch

"Clams Canino" wrote in message
news

I wanna know how you broke *three*.
I mean - after you broke one... didn't a clue rake at least try to hit you
over the head about the rest of them?

-W


I was wondering the same thing. ;-)

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Clams Canino" wrote in message
news

I wanna know how you broke *three*.
I mean - after you broke one... didn't a clue rake at least try to hit
you
over the head about the rest of them?

-W


He broke the first two ... first.

Eisboch


I know this because it's something I would do .

Kibosh

"Clams Canino" wrote
I wanna know how you broke *three*.
I mean - after you broke one... didn't a clue rake at least try to hit you
over the head about the rest of them?

Not to jump on the jump-on-Jay bandwagon (he's got enough trouble with his
broken bolts already), but wasn't he the guy who asked what the difference
is between foot pounds and inch pounds a while back?

Ernest Scribbler wrote:
"Clams Canino" wrote
I wanna know how you broke *three*.
I mean - after you broke one... didn't a clue rake at least try to hit you
over the head about the rest of them?

Not to jump on the jump-on-Jay bandwagon (he's got enough trouble with his
broken bolts already), but wasn't he the guy who asked what the difference
is between foot pounds and inch pounds a while back?

Good Lord, give him credit for trying to do his own work. So he makes
expensive mistakes, I bet he learns from them. I have managed to break
5 drill bits in rapid succession.
Now, If I remember, there are special tools for removing broken bits or
taps. I suggest he look into a tool catalogue such as McMaster-Carr or
MSC.