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Call around to hardware stores and ask if they sell spiral
screw
extractors.
Before you jump in the car, measure the diameter of the bolt
shafts
you
need
to remove. And, if you know the socket size that fits the
heads,
write
that
down too.

I tried that already. Either it didn't work or I went too easy
on
the
hammer. Anyway, it could not grab the bolt and could not spin
the
bolt
out. I attempted to drill one of the broken bolt away. But
this
simply messed up the thread in one of the hole.

Hammer????????

Do you mean I am not supposed to use a hammer to work with the
screw
extractor? I am under the impression that I am supposed to drill a
hole in the middle of the borken bolt, and hammer the screw
extractor
down into the hole, and then use some kind of handle bar to lock on
the
screw extractor and turn counter clockwise, and hopefully the screw
will back out. This was exactly what the owner of the hardware
store
told me to do.

May be we are talking about two different types of screw
extractors?
May be you are referring to the type that is like a drill bit, and
we
are supposed to use it with a power drill (running in reverse) to
dill
and back off the bolt? I could not use that type because the bolt
was
sunken inside a small hole that the special drill bit was too large
to
fit inside.

Jay Chan

This is the type I was talking about. No hammer is used. The flutes
of
the
tool are deep enough that they grip without having to be forced into
place.
http://www.mytoolstore.com/hanson/extractr.html

Yes, the one that is being shown in your link is exactly the type that
I have. If I understand you correctly, I am not supposed to use a
hammer on it; instead, I should have used it with a power drill and
use
the extractor like a drill bit and run it in reverse. In other words,
the hardware store owner fooled me. Oh well...

Thanks for the correction.

Jay Chan


NO! You DO NOT use a drill! You drill into the bolt to make a space for
this
tool. Then, you give the drill to your wife and instruct her not to let
you
have it again until you're ready to drill the next bolt. I don't care
WHAT
the hardware guy told you. If this is the tool you bought, he gave you
the
wrong instructions. And, if this tool came in its original package, AND
you
opened it carefully, you still have the instructions.

Maybe your web browser options have been set to make simple instructions
invisible. Here's what I saw at that link:

How to use a Screw Extractor to remove a broken bolt or screw from a
hole:
First, drill a hole in the broken bolt. The correct drill size to use is
shown below and is also stamped on each Screw Extractor. Insert Screw
Extractor in the hole and, with a Tap Wrench, turn counterclockwise. The
Screw Extractor acts like a corkscrew. It grips into the sides of the
drilled hole and removes the broken part on its own threads without
damaging
the threaded hole.

OK, now I know that I am not supposed to use it like a drill bit, and I
am supposed to use the tap-wrench. In other words, the hardware store
owner gave me the correct instruction. There must be something missing
in the "execution".

Jay Chan


These tools come in various sizes. This is why I told you to measure the
size of the hole you drilled into the bolt, write that down, and take the
piece of paper to the store. On the back of the tool's package, there's a
chart which tells you what size tool to use with different hole sizes.
With the correct size, you put the tool in the hole and with no more force
than you can apply with your fingertips, you'll feel it grab tight when
you turn it counterclockwise. That's opposite from the direction traveled
by the hands of a clock. If the tool doesn't grab right away, you can put
a little pressure on it with your hand and turn it again. Then, you grab
the square top with a wrench and turn counterclockwise.


Myself and every other person I know takes a hammer and gives it a little
love tap to set the teeth of the Easy Out. But when you break one, you will
not call it an easy out.

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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Call around to hardware stores and ask if they sell spiral
screw
extractors.
Before you jump in the car, measure the diameter of the bolt
shafts
you
need
to remove. And, if you know the socket size that fits the
heads,
write
that
down too.

I tried that already. Either it didn't work or I went too easy
on
the
hammer. Anyway, it could not grab the bolt and could not spin
the
bolt
out. I attempted to drill one of the broken bolt away. But
this
simply messed up the thread in one of the hole.

Hammer????????

Do you mean I am not supposed to use a hammer to work with the
screw
extractor? I am under the impression that I am supposed to drill
a
hole in the middle of the borken bolt, and hammer the screw
extractor
down into the hole, and then use some kind of handle bar to lock
on the
screw extractor and turn counter clockwise, and hopefully the
screw
will back out. This was exactly what the owner of the hardware
store
told me to do.

May be we are talking about two different types of screw
extractors?
May be you are referring to the type that is like a drill bit, and
we
are supposed to use it with a power drill (running in reverse) to
dill
and back off the bolt? I could not use that type because the bolt
was
sunken inside a small hole that the special drill bit was too
large to
fit inside.

Jay Chan

This is the type I was talking about. No hammer is used. The flutes
of
the
tool are deep enough that they grip without having to be forced into
place.
http://www.mytoolstore.com/hanson/extractr.html

Yes, the one that is being shown in your link is exactly the type
that
I have. If I understand you correctly, I am not supposed to use a
hammer on it; instead, I should have used it with a power drill and
use
the extractor like a drill bit and run it in reverse. In other
words,
the hardware store owner fooled me. Oh well...

Thanks for the correction.

Jay Chan


NO! You DO NOT use a drill! You drill into the bolt to make a space for
this
tool. Then, you give the drill to your wife and instruct her not to let
you
have it again until you're ready to drill the next bolt. I don't care
WHAT
the hardware guy told you. If this is the tool you bought, he gave you
the
wrong instructions. And, if this tool came in its original package, AND
you
opened it carefully, you still have the instructions.

Maybe your web browser options have been set to make simple
instructions
invisible. Here's what I saw at that link:

How to use a Screw Extractor to remove a broken bolt or screw from a
hole:
First, drill a hole in the broken bolt. The correct drill size to use
is
shown below and is also stamped on each Screw Extractor. Insert Screw
Extractor in the hole and, with a Tap Wrench, turn counterclockwise.
The
Screw Extractor acts like a corkscrew. It grips into the sides of the
drilled hole and removes the broken part on its own threads without
damaging
the threaded hole.

OK, now I know that I am not supposed to use it like a drill bit, and I
am supposed to use the tap-wrench. In other words, the hardware store
owner gave me the correct instruction. There must be something missing
in the "execution".

Jay Chan


These tools come in various sizes. This is why I told you to measure the
size of the hole you drilled into the bolt, write that down, and take the
piece of paper to the store. On the back of the tool's package, there's a
chart which tells you what size tool to use with different hole sizes.
With the correct size, you put the tool in the hole and with no more
force than you can apply with your fingertips, you'll feel it grab tight
when you turn it counterclockwise. That's opposite from the direction
traveled by the hands of a clock. If the tool doesn't grab right away,
you can put a little pressure on it with your hand and turn it again.
Then, you grab the square top with a wrench and turn counterclockwise.


Myself and every other person I know takes a hammer and gives it a little
love tap to set the teeth of the Easy Out. But when you break one, you
will not call it an easy out.


That's nice, but Jay obviously has no feel for these things, so he's better
off to see if it works first without the hammer.

wrote
OK, now I know that I am not supposed to use it like a drill bit, and I
am supposed to use the tap-wrench. In other words, the hardware store
owner gave me the correct instruction. There must be something missing
in the "execution".

I wouldn't worry about it. Sounds like the one thing the hardware guy
neglected to mention is that they don't always work.

wrote
One possibility is that those "thread" in the old water pump base may
not be "real" thread. They may be a corroded surface that mirrors the
thread in the bolt.

IOW, corrosion formed around the bolt threads creating something that looks
like a threaded hole. That sounds plausible enough for me.

Do we need to re-apply the heli-coil insert whenever we
replace the bolt (like when we need to replace the impeller)?

The coil will probably stay in there forever. I suppose it's possible for it
to back out when you remove the bolt, but I've never seen it happen.

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:59:59 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Clams Canino wrote:
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" JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message
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I was just trying to be diplomatic without mentioning a name.


I know he can't be talking about me. My recommendation to find a good
shade tree mechanic to help learn the basics is a great one and did not
flame anyone. Marine engines are too expensive and too high tech. to do
on the job training.

Jimmy is screwing with his karma again.

On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 22:01:49 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:

(2) the number of them that I have had to drill out that others
have broken off (no fun, but very profitable)....

==========

As a point of interest, I'm curious how you do that.

I like using counter rotating drill bits (sometimes called left hand bits).
These rotate in the opposite direction and sometimes will bite in and rotate
the bolt remains out. I also use lots of PB Blaster.


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 22:01:49 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:

(2) the number of them that I have had to drill out that others
have broken off (no fun, but very profitable)....

==========

As a point of interest, I'm curious how you do that.

On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 12:18:45 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:

Solid carbide drill, slow speed, *extremely* rigid set-up (in a
milling machine or the like), heavy coolant, and *lots* of
patience.....

I was speculating that it must take something like that. Always
wanted to have a milling machine, maybe I could cost justify it if
broke more bolts and easy outs. :-)

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 12:18:45 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:

Solid carbide drill, slow speed, *extremely* rigid set-up (in a
milling machine or the like), heavy coolant, and *lots* of
patience.....

I was speculating that it must take something like that. Always
wanted to have a milling machine, maybe I could cost justify it if
broke more bolts and easy outs. :-)


My son is getting rid of an old Bridgeport that I had bought years ago for
the company.
The ways are a bit worn, but for home projects I think it would be fine. I
am thinking of putting it in the corner of my garage, but I have to figure
out how to run a 3 phase motor on the 240 volt, single phase house power. I
suppose I could change the motor... or get one of those converters that
produces 3 phases power from single phase.

I learned though ... the Bridgeport is only half the story. I also need to
raid the tool bin for chucks, bits, end mills, etc.

Eisboch

Ernest Scribbler wrote:
wrote
OK, now I know that I am not supposed to use it like a drill bit, and I
am supposed to use the tap-wrench. In other words, the hardware store
owner gave me the correct instruction. There must be something missing
in the "execution".

I wouldn't worry about it. Sounds like the one thing the hardware guy
neglected to mention is that they don't always work.

Actually, the hardware store owner told me that the tool doesn't always
work, and I may end up drilling the bolts out. The hardware store is
ACE Hardware, and I am getting a feeling that the sales people there
may not know the stuffs but the store owner (or the store manager) is
quite knowledgable.

Jay Chan