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I haven't encountered many good V6 engines, I'm not really sure why
but
they seem to be much less robust than inline 6's, perhaps it's the
compact shape?

Depends on where in the power band. Inlines, because of the
relatively
short stroke, and big bores, have a lot of low end torque. Modern
V6's
on the other hand, because of the configuration, are longer stroke,
smaller bore. Top end torque. Nissan makes a bitchin' V6

Do you ever get sick of being wrong?

Show me. Or shut up.


Torque is relative to crank throw- longer stroke = more torque, not less
as
you've stated.

Now will you shut up? Hmm, so I take it that you think torque is relative
to ONLY stroke?? Are you REALLY saying that?


Everything else being equal (# cylinders, displacement)- yes.

CR wrote:
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CR wrote:
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CR wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
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I haven't encountered many good V6 engines, I'm not really sure why
but
they seem to be much less robust than inline 6's, perhaps it's the
compact shape?

Depends on where in the power band. Inlines, because of the
relatively
short stroke, and big bores, have a lot of low end torque. Modern
V6's
on the other hand, because of the configuration, are longer stroke,
smaller bore. Top end torque. Nissan makes a bitchin' V6

Do you ever get sick of being wrong?

Show me. Or shut up.


Torque is relative to crank throw- longer stroke = more torque, not less
as
you've stated.

Now will you shut up? Hmm, so I take it that you think torque is relative
to ONLY stroke?? Are you REALLY saying that?


Everything else being equal (# cylinders, displacement)- yes.

Now that's just a plain stupid answer!

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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 10:42:35 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

The problem is you have it backwards. A typical Nissan V6 engine
(3.3-liter SOHC 12-valve) has a bore of 3.602 inches and a stroke of
3.268 inches. This is called "over square" and is typical of high
reving,
low torque engines.

Back in the olden days short stroke engines were very common (a 302
was a 327 with a shorter stroke). Then the emission controllers said
longer strokes burned cleaner and we ended up with 350s and 307s that
were long stroke engines. I suppose now days they have found better
ways to clean up the exhaust so they can go back to short stroke vigh
rev engines. My Vtec Honda redlines at something like 8.5k. The cam
shift doesn't happen until 5k.

Those really aren't representitive of the "olden days". The old, straight 6
and 8 engines had relatively long strokes with small bores ... mainly to
they last for a reasonable period of time without blowing up. Lots of low
end grunt, but limited in RPM. New, high reving engines typically have
larger bores and short strokes with peak torque much higher up in the RPM
curve.

General rule of thumb:

Longer stoke, smaller bore = low end torque.
Shorter stroke, larger bore = higher RPM, lower low end torque

For example ... A Ford F1 race car V8 has a bore of over 4 inches but the
stroke is just
over 2 inches. Sucker revs to 16,000 RPM.

Basskisser is kissing bass.

Eisboch

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CR wrote:
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CR wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
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CR wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
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I haven't encountered many good V6 engines, I'm not really sure
why
but
they seem to be much less robust than inline 6's, perhaps it's
the
compact shape?

Depends on where in the power band. Inlines, because of the
relatively
short stroke, and big bores, have a lot of low end torque. Modern
V6's
on the other hand, because of the configuration, are longer
stroke,
smaller bore. Top end torque. Nissan makes a bitchin' V6

Do you ever get sick of being wrong?

Show me. Or shut up.


Torque is relative to crank throw- longer stroke = more torque, not
less
as
you've stated.

Now will you shut up? Hmm, so I take it that you think torque is
relative
to ONLY stroke?? Are you REALLY saying that?


Everything else being equal (# cylinders, displacement)- yes.

Now that's just a plain stupid answer!


How so brain sturgeon?

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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:24:22 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Back in the olden days short stroke engines were very common (a 302
was a 327 with a shorter stroke).

Those really aren't representitive of the "olden days". The old, straight
6
and 8 engines had relatively long strokes with small bores ...

I was referring to the performance engines of the late 60s when power
was the only real goal. The 302 was developed for the 5 liter racing
circuit (Can Am?)

Gotcha.

Eisboch

Don White wrote:


That slant six was the best part of my 1977 Dodge Aspen SW.

Have you noticed you can now buy a brand new Chrysler Aspen? D-C has
revived the nameplate. That takes guts after the Aspen/Volare
debacle(it should have been a worthy successor to the Dart/Valiant
except for the careless way Chrysler designed/built/marketed cars in the
mid 70's... I mean who wanted an olive green Aspen w/ orange vinyl
interior, that rusted out in 2 years?).

Rob

CR wrote:
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CR wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
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CR wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
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I haven't encountered many good V6 engines, I'm not really sure
why
but
they seem to be much less robust than inline 6's, perhaps it's
the
compact shape?

Depends on where in the power band. Inlines, because of the
relatively
short stroke, and big bores, have a lot of low end torque. Modern
V6's
on the other hand, because of the configuration, are longer
stroke,
smaller bore. Top end torque. Nissan makes a bitchin' V6

Do you ever get sick of being wrong?

Show me. Or shut up.


Torque is relative to crank throw- longer stroke = more torque, not
less
as
you've stated.

Now will you shut up? Hmm, so I take it that you think torque is
relative
to ONLY stroke?? Are you REALLY saying that?


Everything else being equal (# cylinders, displacement)- yes.

Now that's just a plain stupid answer!


How so brain sturgeon?

I'm not a brain surgeon. But, since I suppose you aren't even bright
enough to realize how stupid your answer was, I'll dumb down my
response so that you MIGHT understand it. Of course if the ONLY
variable you wish to change is stroke, then of course it would change
the torque. BUT, now try to hang in there, if you changed the bore, the
torque would also change. The real measurement would be to change the
stroke AND bore to keep the same displacement.

"trainfan1" wrote in message
et...
Don White wrote:


That slant six was the best part of my 1977 Dodge Aspen SW.

Have you noticed you can now buy a brand new Chrysler Aspen? D-C has
revived the nameplate. That takes guts after the Aspen/Volare debacle(it
should have been a worthy successor to the Dart/Valiant except for the
careless way Chrysler designed/built/marketed cars in the mid 70's... I
mean who wanted an olive green Aspen w/ orange vinyl interior, that rusted
out in 2 years?).

Rob

Yep. Remember the top of the fenders over the front tires? They always
rusted through.

Eisboch

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..


I had a Valiant slant-six station wagon for a while. Must have been, this
is a guess, 1961? Silver. Crummy seats, but a tough little car. I really
abused it. Got rid of it before it rusted through.

We had a '61 Valiant. Got it for Mrs.E. when I first got out of the Navy.
Had to be one of the ugliest cars ever made and to make it worse she had it
painted "Buttercup Yellow". There was more bondo and filler on that car
than metal ... but it ran great.

It's one of the many cars we've owned that I try to forget.

Eisboch

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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My memories of my Valiant are more pleasant than my memories of my Lotus
Cortina.

The weirdest cars I've owned a

1. Fiat 500 (while stationed in Naples, Italy)
2. 196something Bentley (while stationed in Ponce, Puerto Rico)
3. Plymouth "Cricket" ..... that never ran. Replaced by the Buttercup
Yellow Valiant.

Eisboch