Dan wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Alotta Fagina wrote:

You wrote:


Now, thanks apparently to the New American Indian Movement, he was a
slaver, native abuser and a rapist.

We're talking about Colon, not Clinton.


Are you capable of making ANY type of remark that isn't either childish
and petty name calling, or worse, completely and utterly stupid?


Do you have a macro set to post that response?

Why, where have I ever posted that particular response before? Do
tell.....

http://tinyurl.com/uwtar

JimH wrote:
"Dan" wrote in message
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basskisser wrote:
Alotta Fagina wrote:

You wrote:


Now, thanks apparently to the New American Indian Movement, he was a
slaver, native abuser and a rapist.

We're talking about Colon, not Clinton.


Are you capable of making ANY type of remark that isn't either childish
and petty name calling, or worse, completely and utterly stupid?


Do you have a macro set to post that response?

http://tinyurl.com/uwtar

LOL! I wonder.....did *he* call anyone names today?

Typical of the JimH cowardice. Because he's not man enough to face
anyone he's said nasty and ****ty things about, he claims to killfile
them, then continue his childish bull**** insults. Coward.

Calif Bill wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
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Tom Francis wrote:
On 12 Oct 2006 09:02:29 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Slaver? Yes, there is some evidence for that.
Native abuser and rapist? I think the jury is still out on that one.

This is one article I found - I'm still looking for the one with the
rapist thing.

http://tinyurl.com/y7ba8r

The rational is truly amazing.

Yeah, I don't know who those Native Americans think they are. Acting
like the own the place. Don't they know that the United States is the
Anglo's? Why do they think we went to all of the trouble to send them
on a scenic journey called the Trail of Tears? And after we rounded
them all up like cattle, we gave them nice pieces of land to develop
and use as their own. It's not OUR fault that most of the land we gave
them is arid, untillable, and won't sustain life.


Grows casinos very well. And the Native Americans, sent their brothers on
trails of tears also. the Sioux sent the Apaches off the fertile planes.
The Anastasias were sent on their way by the Apaches as they came Southwest.
So, give your property to the local Indians and move back to Europe. And
the Native Americans, were originally Mongols and other Asian tribes. Were
they being run off their lands by local despots? And Nova Scotia was
originally Viking land. Conflict has been man's way since the birth of
mankind.

So, because of your above diatribe, you think we've done good by the
native americans???? Really??
You do realize that, even as casinos rise, there is pure hell on the
reservations? Poverty, alcoholism, etc., right?
Also, you are dead wrong about the Trail of Tears. A few Cherokee
leaders were promised great things by, you guessed it, the white man,
in turn for signing the Treaty of New Echota, while most cherokee were
against it:

"In 1835 some leaders of the Cherokee tribe signed the Treaty of New
Echota. This agreement ceded all rights to their traditional lands to
the United States. In return the tribe was granted land in the Indian
Territory. Although the majority of the Cherokees opposed this
agreement they were forced to make the journey by General Winfield
Scott and his soldiers. In October 1838 about 15,000 Cherokees began
what was later to be known as the Trail of Tears. Most of the Cherokees
travelled the 800 mile journey on foot. As a result of serious mistakes
made by the Federal agents who guided them to their new land, they
suffered from hunger and the cold weather and an estimated 4,000 people
died on the journey"

"Overall it is believed that about 70,000 Native Americans were forced
to migrate from Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Virginia, Tennessee and
Florida to Oklahoma. During the journey many died as a result of famine
and disease."

Boy, we sure did good by them, huh?

As far as the Nez Perce:

n 1877 General Otis Howard instructed Chief Joseph and the Nez Perce
tribe to move from their tribal lands in Oregon. Joseph eventually
agreed to leave the Wallowa Valley and along with 350 followers settled
in Whitebird Creek in Idaho. Around 190 young men rebelled against this
decision and attacked white settlers in what became known as the Nez
Perce War. Joseph's brother, Sousouquee, was killed during this
fighting. Although he had no experience as a warrior, Joseph took part
in the battles at White Bird Canyon (17th June), Clearwater (11th July)
and at Bear Paw Mountain (30th September).

"Chief Joseph and his men began a 1,300 mile march to Canada. However,
on 5th October, 1877, the Nez Perce were surrounded by troops only 30
miles from the Canadian border. Joseph now agreed to take part in
negotiations with General Nelson Miles. During the meeting Joseph was
seized and beaten-up. Nez Perce warriors retaliated by capturing
Lieutenant Lovell Jerome. A few weeks later Joseph was released in
exchange for Lieutenant Jerome.

Chief Joseph continued to negotiate with General Miles. He also visited
Washington where he met President William McKinley and President
Theodore Roosevelt . Eventually some members of the Nez Perce tribe
were allowed to return home but others were forced to live on the
Colville Reservation. Joseph remained with them and did what he could
to encourage his people to go to school and to discourage gambling and
drunkenness."

On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:00:34 +0000, Calif Bill wrote:



The Sioux sent the Apaches off the fertile planes.

And the Sioux were chased out of Wisconsin and Minnesota by the Chippewa.
Being that the horse came over with Columbus, ever wonder about the great
horse culture before the white man?

"basskisser" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
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Tom Francis wrote:
On 12 Oct 2006 09:02:29 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Slaver? Yes, there is some evidence for that.
Native abuser and rapist? I think the jury is still out on that one.

This is one article I found - I'm still looking for the one with the
rapist thing.

http://tinyurl.com/y7ba8r

The rational is truly amazing.

Yeah, I don't know who those Native Americans think they are. Acting
like the own the place. Don't they know that the United States is the
Anglo's? Why do they think we went to all of the trouble to send them
on a scenic journey called the Trail of Tears? And after we rounded
them all up like cattle, we gave them nice pieces of land to develop
and use as their own. It's not OUR fault that most of the land we gave
them is arid, untillable, and won't sustain life.


Grows casinos very well. And the Native Americans, sent their brothers
on
trails of tears also. the Sioux sent the Apaches off the fertile planes.
The Anastasias were sent on their way by the Apaches as they came
Southwest.
So, give your property to the local Indians and move back to Europe. And
the Native Americans, were originally Mongols and other Asian tribes.
Were
they being run off their lands by local despots? And Nova Scotia was
originally Viking land. Conflict has been man's way since the birth of
mankind.

So, because of your above diatribe, you think we've done good by the
native americans???? Really??
You do realize that, even as casinos rise, there is pure hell on the
reservations? Poverty, alcoholism, etc., right?
Also, you are dead wrong about the Trail of Tears. A few Cherokee
leaders were promised great things by, you guessed it, the white man,
in turn for signing the Treaty of New Echota, while most cherokee were
against it:

"In 1835 some leaders of the Cherokee tribe signed the Treaty of New
Echota. This agreement ceded all rights to their traditional lands to
the United States. In return the tribe was granted land in the Indian
Territory. Although the majority of the Cherokees opposed this
agreement they were forced to make the journey by General Winfield
Scott and his soldiers. In October 1838 about 15,000 Cherokees began
what was later to be known as the Trail of Tears. Most of the Cherokees
travelled the 800 mile journey on foot. As a result of serious mistakes
made by the Federal agents who guided them to their new land, they
suffered from hunger and the cold weather and an estimated 4,000 people
died on the journey"

"Overall it is believed that about 70,000 Native Americans were forced
to migrate from Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Virginia, Tennessee and
Florida to Oklahoma. During the journey many died as a result of famine
and disease."

Boy, we sure did good by them, huh?

As far as the Nez Perce:

n 1877 General Otis Howard instructed Chief Joseph and the Nez Perce
tribe to move from their tribal lands in Oregon. Joseph eventually
agreed to leave the Wallowa Valley and along with 350 followers settled
in Whitebird Creek in Idaho. Around 190 young men rebelled against this
decision and attacked white settlers in what became known as the Nez
Perce War. Joseph's brother, Sousouquee, was killed during this
fighting. Although he had no experience as a warrior, Joseph took part
in the battles at White Bird Canyon (17th June), Clearwater (11th July)
and at Bear Paw Mountain (30th September).

"Chief Joseph and his men began a 1,300 mile march to Canada. However,
on 5th October, 1877, the Nez Perce were surrounded by troops only 30
miles from the Canadian border. Joseph now agreed to take part in
negotiations with General Nelson Miles. During the meeting Joseph was
seized and beaten-up. Nez Perce warriors retaliated by capturing
Lieutenant Lovell Jerome. A few weeks later Joseph was released in
exchange for Lieutenant Jerome.

Chief Joseph continued to negotiate with General Miles. He also visited
Washington where he met President William McKinley and President
Theodore Roosevelt . Eventually some members of the Nez Perce tribe
were allowed to return home but others were forced to live on the
Colville Reservation. Joseph remained with them and did what he could
to encourage his people to go to school and to discourage gambling and
drunkenness."


so maybe the Indians, should asimilate and not live on the reservations.

Calif Bill wrote:
"Tom Francis" wrote in message
...
On 12 Oct 2006 08:05:06 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Oh, and one final thing they got wrong about Columbus. His name. His
name wasn't really Christopher Columbus, but rather Cristobal Colon.

Now, thanks apparently to the New American Indian Movement, he was a
slaver, native abuser and a rapist.

~~ sigh ~~

But the First Nation people / Native American's were slave holders also.
Abused other natives, and probably a few rapist among them. Oh Well.

Slaves were commonly held by the wealthiest First Nations families here
on the NW Coast.
Much like people enslaved by folks of European ancestry, the slaves
were assigned the most difficult or menial tasks while the slave owners
lived relatively luxurious lifestyles.

Here's a link to a synopsis of well known a tale describing the
enslavement of an Englishman by a native chief in British Columbia:

http://www.abcbookworld.com/?state=v...author_id=3954

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Tom Francis" wrote in message
...
On 12 Oct 2006 08:05:06 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Oh, and one final thing they got wrong about Columbus. His name. His
name wasn't really Christopher Columbus, but rather Cristobal Colon.

Now, thanks apparently to the New American Indian Movement, he was a
slaver, native abuser and a rapist.

~~ sigh ~~

But the First Nation people / Native American's were slave holders also.
Abused other natives, and probably a few rapist among them. Oh Well.

Slaves were commonly held by the wealthiest First Nations families here
on the NW Coast.
Much like people enslaved by folks of European ancestry, the slaves
were assigned the most difficult or menial tasks while the slave owners
lived relatively luxurious lifestyles.

Here's a link to a synopsis of well known a tale describing the
enslavement of an Englishman by a native chief in British Columbia:

http://www.abcbookworld.com/?state=v...author_id=3954


Welcome to the dark side Chuck as it seems that your posts now include OT
posts your previously sheriffed against. ;-)

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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Poor Columbus.

It's good to see you have acquiesced to the culture here; you championed a
strict on-topic rule, but now you understand that most posters are not here
to discuss boating. It seems only a short time ago I was reading that the
forum was greatly improved, and that OT topics were now at a minimum; would
you now agree with that statement?

"John Wentworth" wrote in message
. ..

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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Poor Columbus.

It's good to see you have acquiesced to the culture here; you championed a
strict on-topic rule, but now you understand that most posters are not
here to discuss boating. It seems only a short time ago I was reading that
the forum was greatly improved, and that OT topics were now at a minimum;
would you now agree with that statement?


I dunno, if memory serves, the one thing Columbus was famous for was a boat
ride across the pond. Doesn't seem all that off topic to me.

JimH wrote:

Welcome to the dark side Chuck as it seems that your posts now include OT
posts your previously sheriffed against. ;-)


Not at all, JimH.

Columbus was one hell of a maritime explorer, was he not? How is a
famous mariner off topic for a boating newsgroup?