Cannot See the Telltail Water Stream from the Motor
 

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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Gene wrote:
On 9 Oct 2006 08:17:13 -0700, "
wrote:

Make sure ity isn't just a plugged up pee hole. Some bugs like that
size hole to lay an egg in and they mortar it shut. Run a stiff wire
up there and try it.

Thanks for the tip. This should be easy to try, and I will try this
when I get back home today. But I have a feeling that the telltale
hole is probably not plugged; otherwise, I should not see smoke coming
out from the telltail hole.



Considering this whole scenario.... you really shouldn't have seen
smoke... regardless.... unless you didn't have a high enough water
level in your "bucket."

I'm betting that your pump impeller is toast. Once you get this damage
repaired...... Forget the bucket and get some muffs that fit your
motor.
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There was plenty of water in the bucket to cover all the water inlets
in the lower unit.

Somehow the ear-muff attachment didn't work for me last fall when I
winterized the motor. I had tried three different versions of ear-muff
attachment; neither worked. At that time, putting the lower unit
inside the water bucket was the only way that worked (in the sense that
I could see the telltail coming from the motor). Therefore, I choose
the "tried and true" method when I need to winterize the motor now --
Unfortunately for me, this method doesn't work this time. Actually, I
would much prefer to use the ear-muff attachment instead of using the
water bucket because using the ear-muff attachment is more convenient.

I am guessing that may be the impeller was not working that well last
fall and was very marginal at best. After it has been sitting unused
for one year, it may have finally got stuck. Seem like I will need to
replace the impeller.

Jay Chan


The muffs don't work on mine, either, unless I crank up a LOT of water. It's
like you have to create a solid wall of water within the cups.

Seem like I am not the only one who has this problem.

I didn't turn up the water volume when I was trying ear-muff attachment
because the motor manual only recommends moderate water volume to avoid
hurting the impeller or the water pump somehow.

Jay Chan

Cannot See the Telltail Water Stream from the Motor
 

Clams Canino wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
news:OgEWg.3103$cz.46967@ursa- Yup. A local dealer at a boat show told me
it should be done every
second year (depending on use).

Every second year at MOST. Every year to be really safe.

I killed a new impeller this year from April to Sept. I mean killed dead,
as it it stopped peeing at low RPM and the impeller was toast. A lot of
sandy / silty water will wear one out FAST.

-W

This means I will need to replace the impeller anyway regardless if the
impeller in my motor is really damaged or not. Knowing that the cost
of replacing the impeller should be considered as a regular maintenance
cost instead of a loss, I feel better already.

Thanks.

Jay Chan

Cannot See the Telltail Water Stream from the Motor
 

Cannot See the Telltail Water Stream from the Motor
 

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
wrote:
wrote:
On 9 Oct 2006 18:58:06 -0700, "
wrote:

OK. If I need to remove the propeller in order to replace the
impeller, I will have to find a way to remove the propeller.

STOP
You don't need to remove the prop for this.
You take out those bolts, drop the foot with prop still in place and
replace the impeller. It slides down the driive shaft and is nowhere
near the prop.

Getting it off might be easier now than when you break a prop but be
careful you don't want to break something you don't need to right now.
You have a very good chance of trashing a seal when you are removing
the prop if you don't have the right tool. There is also a chance of
wiping the hub, even if you do have the pulller.

Thanks for informing me that I really don't need to remove the
propeller. Then I can do that later or next spring instead of clamping
all these tasks in one weekend. I probably will still attempt to
remove the propeller by soaking it with WD40. But honestly I am not
expecting a miracle -- the propeller is quite stuck; there is quite a
good chance that I need to bring it to a dealer.

Jay Chan

Jay,

Based upon your questions, I can tell you are new to boating and new to
maintaining your engine. I would recommend you find a mechanic who
would make an appointment to get your engine serviced, and ask him if he
let you watch him remove the prop and install the impeller.

While both of these projects are DIY projects, if you don't know what
you are doing, you can cause serious and expensive damages to the engine.

While he has the engine in the shop, it will be worth him do a complete
inspection and servicing the engine to make sure there are not other
problems. As one of the rec.boats regulars found out, not servicing
your engine correctly can result in some very expensive problems.

You are quite right. In fact that was what I was originally planning
to do. After all, the motor is more than 10 years old, and I should
have a mechanic to look it over. Unfortunately I am replacing the core
in the entire deck, and I am behind schedule -- meaning that the deck
is open to elements. Currently, I have a cover on the boat to keep
rain water from entering the core of the deck that I am fixing. If I
bring the boat to a mechanic, I will have to remove the boat cover (the
boat has a T-top and the boat cover is huge like a sail), and I will
risk getting unexpected rain water getting into the core of the boat
when the boat is sitting in the mechanic boatyard. Therefore, I am
really hesistate to bring the boat to the mechanic at this point, and I
need to finish winterizing the motor now before the weather is getting
really cold.

Luckily I am quite handy. Therefore, I should be able to replace the
impeller (with another person helping me to align the rods). Thanks
for the suggestion though.

Jay Chan

Cannot See the Telltail Water Stream from the Motor
 

Jay, it's a shame you wern't able to use it this year.

If you would still like to do-it-yourself repairs on the engine, which
at this point I really wouldn't recommend. (If I were in your position
, I'd take it to a reputable mechanic).

BUT, i would get a repair manual for that model or series of engines.
like a "Peterson", "Chiltons" or "Motors" or likewise book that you
could study really well, A book that will tell you in great detail on
how to even overhaul your engine if necessary. A vast amount of
knowledge can be found in these books. just for if anything else, a
reference point. You can find these books at about any boat
dealership, or what i did was bought an almost brand new manual for my
mercruiser off Ebay, for less than half price of what the stores
wanted.

For my book, the dealership retail price was about $49.00. I bought
mine with a high bid of $18.00 plus $3.75 s&h.



wrote:
wrote:
wrote:
I left the boat in the driveway for one year without starting the
motor. Today, I put the lower unit into a bucket of water, and start
the motor to winterize it.

Jay, just out of curiosity, if you haven't used the boat in a year,
then why are you deciding to winterize it at this time?

According to what yoyu say, it must have sat all through the colder
winter months of last year,a nd the first part of this year.

why now?

The reason of winterizing the motor even without using it for a year
is:

Last fall when I winterized the motor, I didn't run the fuel
system dry. I ran the motor for 5 minutes to let treated fuel get
inside the fuel system and then I shut down the motor. This means
there is still fuel inside the fuel system of the motor. Although the
fuel was treated with stablizer, it will only be good for one year. If
I didn't winterize the motor now, by next spring the treated fuel would
have sat in the fuel system for 17 months -- that would be 5 months
longer than what the treated fuel is supposed to last. This is the
reason why I need to winterize the motor now.

Jay Chan

Cannot See the Telltail Water Stream from the Motor
 

Cannot See the Telltail Water Stream from the Motor
 

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oups.com...
wrote:
On 9 Oct 2006 18:58:06 -0700, "
wrote:

OK. If I need to remove the propeller in order to replace the
impeller, I will have to find a way to remove the propeller.


STOP
You don't need to remove the prop for this.
You take out those bolts, drop the foot with prop still in place and
replace the impeller. It slides down the driive shaft and is nowhere
near the prop.

Getting it off might be easier now than when you break a prop but be
careful you don't want to break something you don't need to right now.
You have a very good chance of trashing a seal when you are removing
the prop if you don't have the right tool. There is also a chance of
wiping the hub, even if you do have the pulller.

Thanks for informing me that I really don't need to remove the
propeller. Then I can do that later or next spring instead of clamping
all these tasks in one weekend. I probably will still attempt to
remove the propeller by soaking it with WD40. But honestly I am not
expecting a miracle -- the propeller is quite stuck; there is quite a
good chance that I need to bring it to a dealer.

Jay Chan


WD-40 is about the lowest thing on the list to use to free up stuck stuff.
Liquid Wrench, PB Blaster is what I use, and lots of other things work much
better than WD-40.

Cannot See the Telltail Water Stream from the Motor
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message news:flZWg.9975

WD-40 is about the lowest thing on the list to use to free up stuck stuff.
Liquid Wrench, PB Blaster is what I use, and lots of other things work
much
better than WD-40.


Mouse milk.

Ya it's real... google the stuff.

-W

Cannot See the Telltail Water Stream from the Motor
 

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
wrote:


Jay,

Based upon your questions, I can tell you are new to boating and new to
maintaining your engine. I would recommend you find a mechanic who
would make an appointment to get your engine serviced, and ask him if he
let you watch him remove the prop and install the impeller.

While both of these projects are DIY projects, if you don't know what
you are doing, you can cause serious and expensive damages to the engine.

While he has the engine in the shop, it will be worth him do a complete
inspection and servicing the engine to make sure there are not other
problems. As one of the rec.boats regulars found out, not servicing
your engine correctly can result in some very expensive problems.

You are quite right. In fact that was what I was originally planning
to do. After all, the motor is more than 10 years old, and I should
have a mechanic to look it over. Unfortunately I am replacing the core
in the entire deck, and I am behind schedule -- meaning that the deck
is open to elements. Currently, I have a cover on the boat to keep
rain water from entering the core of the deck that I am fixing. If I
bring the boat to a mechanic, I will have to remove the boat cover (the
boat has a T-top and the boat cover is huge like a sail), and I will
risk getting unexpected rain water getting into the core of the boat
when the boat is sitting in the mechanic boatyard. Therefore, I am
really hesistate to bring the boat to the mechanic at this point, and I
need to finish winterizing the motor now before the weather is getting
really cold.

Luckily I am quite handy. Therefore, I should be able to replace the
impeller (with another person helping me to align the rods). Thanks
for the suggestion though.

Jay Chan


Best of luck to you.

Thanks for the kind words. Hopefully, I can at least fix the impeller
and finish winterizing the motor to allow me to get over the winter.
Then I can ask a marine mechanic to check the motor next spring.

Jay Chan

Cannot See the Telltail Water Stream from the Motor