"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:18:07 -0500, "Brian Cleveland"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 3 Oct 2006 18:57:24 -0700, wrote:

His parents are missionaries in Panama.

This always fascinates me.

With all the social problems we have in this country which could use a
good dose of old time religion, why do missionaries have to go to
another country to help and do good works? Why not the Bronx or East
LA or American Indian country? Why Central America or anywhere else
for that matter?

It's like adopting Asian babies - I don't get that either. There are
lots of kids here in the states, in particular older ones, that can
use good parenting and a good home, yet people insist on adopting
Korean, Chinese and East Asian Indian children. What's the point?

I just don't get it.

I don't know about these missionaries in particular, but I do know a
little
about the Southern Baptist Church Mission program. It is divided into 2
parts, a Foreign Mission Board and a North American Mission Board. the
NAMB
has just over 2900 full time missionaries and about 2400 long-term ( 4
months to 2 years, these people are self-funded) missionaries working here
in the US.

Once again I cannot speak for anyone else, but I (and my local church)
believe we are instructed to do good works everywhere, since I cannot run
off to a foreign country on a regular basis (although I have been able to
go
to a couple on a 1-2 week basis) I/we can help send others. We also do a
lot of work locally as well as elsewhere here in the southeast. Here is a
link with a little info if you are interested.

I appreciate that - thanks.

It still begs the question though - why spend all that time and money
sending folk to another country when the money can be better spent
here?

Seriously.

I know that there are missions to the US, but not anywhere near what
it could, or perhaps even should, be.

And thanks for doing your part.

As for the adoption issue, I agree. I work with 2 people however who have
adopted children from other countries. In both cases, the issue was the
large amount of red tape involved in trying to adopt here in the US. They
both said the issue was not money as it was the same or slightly more due
to
travel etc.

The paperwork is the same, the studies are the same, the time is the
same. The only difference is that when you go overseas, it generally
requires a visit for a certain length of time and on top of the fees
themselves, you have to spend a certain amount in-country.

That's the strange part of it.

And, in general, it costs anywhere from 30 to 40% more to obtain
children from overseas than it does here in the US.

If you want, you can adopt any child with about the same amount of
effort it takes to go overseas and do it.

I speak from experience - mixed races and four US children to prove
it.

Here in California the donor parent used to have a long time to change their
mind. Maybe a year. Heard a few horror stories about the adopters losing
custody a lot later.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:18:07 -0500, "Brian Cleveland"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On 3 Oct 2006 18:57:24 -0700, wrote:

His parents are missionaries in Panama.

This always fascinates me.

With all the social problems we have in this country which could use a
good dose of old time religion, why do missionaries have to go to
another country to help and do good works? Why not the Bronx or East
LA or American Indian country? Why Central America or anywhere else
for that matter?

It's like adopting Asian babies - I don't get that either. There are
lots of kids here in the states, in particular older ones, that can
use good parenting and a good home, yet people insist on adopting
Korean, Chinese and East Asian Indian children. What's the point?

I just don't get it.

I don't know about these missionaries in particular, but I do know a
little
about the Southern Baptist Church Mission program. It is divided into 2
parts, a Foreign Mission Board and a North American Mission Board. the
NAMB
has just over 2900 full time missionaries and about 2400 long-term ( 4
months to 2 years, these people are self-funded) missionaries working here
in the US.

Once again I cannot speak for anyone else, but I (and my local church)
believe we are instructed to do good works everywhere, since I cannot run
off to a foreign country on a regular basis (although I have been able to
go
to a couple on a 1-2 week basis) I/we can help send others. We also do a
lot of work locally as well as elsewhere here in the southeast. Here is a
link with a little info if you are interested.

I appreciate that - thanks.

It still begs the question though - why spend all that time and money
sending folk to another country when the money can be better spent
here?

I guess what one considers "better spent" would depend on ones value of
those the money and time is being spent helping. Personally, I think the
time and money is just as well spent helping someone whether they are in
Namisique, Honduras, Cape Hatian, Haiti, Williamsburg, KY, Kearneysville, WV
or Biloxi, MS
JMO
brian


Seriously.

I know that there are missions to the US, but not anywhere near what
it could, or perhaps even should, be.

And thanks for doing your part.

As for the adoption issue, I agree. I work with 2 people however who have
adopted children from other countries. In both cases, the issue was the
large amount of red tape involved in trying to adopt here in the US. They
both said the issue was not money as it was the same or slightly more due
to
travel etc.

The paperwork is the same, the studies are the same, the time is the
same. The only difference is that when you go overseas, it generally
requires a visit for a certain length of time and on top of the fees
themselves, you have to spend a certain amount in-country.

That's the strange part of it.

And, in general, it costs anywhere from 30 to 40% more to obtain
children from overseas than it does here in the US.

If you want, you can adopt any child with about the same amount of
effort it takes to go overseas and do it.

I speak from experience - mixed races and four US children to prove
it.

Dan wrote:
basskisser wrote:

Dan wrote:

Mustaf Herod Apyur Poupr wrote:


On 3 Oct 2006 15:37:45 -0700, wrote:



What is a good brand of a reasonably priced depthfinder? I don't
necessarily need something "top of the line"
But if running on the river, it would be nice to know how much water is
below you....


WalMart has Eagles for cheap if you are just looking for a bottom
finder. They are good units.

Agreed. I've never been a fan of Humminbird and I have had both on a
bass boat at the same time.


Why? I've got two Hummingbirds on my boat that I've had for five years
or so, both have never done anything but work flawlessly.


Since you probably don't keep very small birds on your boat I'm guessing
your spell checker got that one.

You have to compare them to see the difference. The resolution on the
Humminbirds is poor compared to others in the same category or price
range. The features are also lacking.

Dan

Definately not true. You get what you pay for in all instances. The one
I have at the helm is just for depth and schooling stripers, so it's a
cheapy, about $125 if I remember. The one in front however, is the 595c
and it's a great piece. What I don't like about Lowrance, other than
the fact that my buddy had one that quit twice, a $700 unit, and each
time they took approx. 3 months to fix it. The second time it quit, he
told them he'd like a new one, they just flatly refused, and fixed it
again. I think it's in his garage now, is the fact that the menu you
have to wade through to do common tasks is annoying. Where you can do
some things with the Hummingbird with a couple of button pushes, with
the Lowrance it takes several submenus to get to where you want.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:26:23 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On 3 Oct 2006 18:57:24 -0700, wrote:

His parents are missionaries in Panama.

This always fascinates me.

With all the social problems we have in this country which could use a
good dose of old time religion, why do missionaries have to go to
another country to help and do good works? Why not the Bronx or East
LA or American Indian country? Why Central America or anywhere else
for that matter?

It's like adopting Asian babies - I don't get that either. There are
lots of kids here in the states, in particular older ones, that can
use good parenting and a good home, yet people insist on adopting
Korean, Chinese and East Asian Indian children. What's the point?

I just don't get it.

The Mormon's send missionaries to the USA. My nephew went to the Navaho
Indian reservation region.

I know and they do really good work.

Only trouble with Mormons is they are hard sale types. Always trying to
convert you! Had mormon neighbors, their kids played with mine, I've
had them over for dinner, they've had us. They knew I wasn't going to
be one of them, so they left it alone. BUT, if all of their brethren
were there for a function, things were different. I have actually seen
them walk the neighborhood knocking on doors, while supposedly being
there for a party or something!

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 02:25:51 GMT, Jack Redington
wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

On 3 Oct 2006 18:57:24 -0700, wrote:


His parents are missionaries in Panama.

This always fascinates me.

With all the social problems we have in this country which could use a
good dose of old time religion, why do missionaries have to go to
another country to help and do good works? Why not the Bronx or East
LA or American Indian country? Why Central America or anywhere else
for that matter?

It's like adopting Asian babies - I don't get that either. There are
lots of kids here in the states, in particular older ones, that can
use good parenting and a good home, yet people insist on adopting
Korean, Chinese and East Asian Indian children. What's the point?

I just don't get it.


The Mormon's send missionaries to the USA. My nephew went to the Navaho
Indian reservation region.



Adopting babies from far away lands (Asian, Europe etc,) do not come
with Lawyers from far away lands that will haunt the adoptive parents
asserting rights of the birth parents. Long after the adoption has been
completed.

Jack R..

I'm glad my daughter adopted a Korean infant. I love Korean food!

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 02:25:51 GMT, Jack Redington
wrote:


Adopting babies from far away lands (Asian, Europe etc,) do not come
with Lawyers from far away lands that will haunt the adoptive parents
asserting rights of the birth parents. Long after the adoption has been
completed.


Doesn't work that way Jack.

See my reply to Bill.

You may disagree, I know a few people that went overseas to adopt
children. All told me what drove then to do it was several cases in the
US where folks who had signed away any rights. Only to get lwayers so
they could get visitation or some sort of contact. This was well before
the age of majority for the kids in question was reached.

I confess I am no expert on the matter. I will look for your reply to Bill.

I uasually stay on topic and will return to my regularly schedule
posting mo :-)

Cheers Amigo.

Jack R..

basskisser wrote:

Dan wrote:

basskisser wrote:


Dan wrote:


Mustaf Herod Apyur Poupr wrote:



On 3 Oct 2006 15:37:45 -0700, wrote:




What is a good brand of a reasonably priced depthfinder? I don't
necessarily need something "top of the line"
But if running on the river, it would be nice to know how much water is
below you....


WalMart has Eagles for cheap if you are just looking for a bottom
finder. They are good units.

Agreed. I've never been a fan of Humminbird and I have had both on a
bass boat at the same time.


Why? I've got two Hummingbirds on my boat that I've had for five years
or so, both have never done anything but work flawlessly.


Since you probably don't keep very small birds on your boat I'm guessing
your spell checker got that one.

You have to compare them to see the difference. The resolution on the
Humminbirds is poor compared to others in the same category or price
range. The features are also lacking.

Dan


Definately not true. You get what you pay for in all instances. The one
I have at the helm is just for depth and schooling stripers, so it's a
cheapy, about $125 if I remember. The one in front however, is the 595c
and it's a great piece. What I don't like about Lowrance, other than
the fact that my buddy had one that quit twice, a $700 unit, and each
time they took approx. 3 months to fix it. The second time it quit, he
told them he'd like a new one, they just flatly refused, and fixed it
again. I think it's in his garage now, is the fact that the menu you
have to wade through to do common tasks is annoying. Where you can do
some things with the Hummingbird with a couple of button pushes, with
the Lowrance it takes several submenus to get to where you want.


That was an interesting paragraph. I got a headache trying to read it
starting from the misspelled first word!

If $125 was the price, Eagle/Lowrance will be a better product than
Humminbird - at least a few years ago when I looked. Currently, the
Humminbird ads still show relatively low-res products.

Dan

PS. There still isn't a "G" in Humminbird.

Dan wrote:
basskisser wrote:

Dan wrote:

basskisser wrote:


Dan wrote:


Mustaf Herod Apyur Poupr wrote:



On 3 Oct 2006 15:37:45 -0700, wrote:




What is a good brand of a reasonably priced depthfinder? I don't
necessarily need something "top of the line"
But if running on the river, it would be nice to know how much water is
below you....


WalMart has Eagles for cheap if you are just looking for a bottom
finder. They are good units.

Agreed. I've never been a fan of Humminbird and I have had both on a
bass boat at the same time.


Why? I've got two Hummingbirds on my boat that I've had for five years
or so, both have never done anything but work flawlessly.


Since you probably don't keep very small birds on your boat I'm guessing
your spell checker got that one.

You have to compare them to see the difference. The resolution on the
Humminbirds is poor compared to others in the same category or price
range. The features are also lacking.

Dan


Definately not true. You get what you pay for in all instances. The one
I have at the helm is just for depth and schooling stripers, so it's a
cheapy, about $125 if I remember. The one in front however, is the 595c
and it's a great piece. What I don't like about Lowrance, other than
the fact that my buddy had one that quit twice, a $700 unit, and each
time they took approx. 3 months to fix it. The second time it quit, he
told them he'd like a new one, they just flatly refused, and fixed it
again. I think it's in his garage now, is the fact that the menu you
have to wade through to do common tasks is annoying. Where you can do
some things with the Hummingbird with a couple of button pushes, with
the Lowrance it takes several submenus to get to where you want.


That was an interesting paragraph. I got a headache trying to read it
starting from the misspelled first word!

If $125 was the price, Eagle/Lowrance will be a better product than
Humminbird - at least a few years ago when I looked. Currently, the
Humminbird ads still show relatively low-res products.

Dan

PS. There still isn't a "G" in Humminbird.

Awe.....how cute...your school girl like infatuation is something to
behold.....
At each price level, the resolution in all units is about equal. Add to
that Lowrance's horrible customer service, you'll have a clear choice.

"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

Dan wrote:
basskisser wrote:

Dan wrote:

basskisser wrote:


Dan wrote:


Mustaf Herod Apyur Poupr wrote:



On 3 Oct 2006 15:37:45 -0700, wrote:




What is a good brand of a reasonably priced depthfinder? I don't
necessarily need something "top of the line"
But if running on the river, it would be nice to know how much
water is
below you....


WalMart has Eagles for cheap if you are just looking for a bottom
finder. They are good units.

Agreed. I've never been a fan of Humminbird and I have had both on a
bass boat at the same time.


Why? I've got two Hummingbirds on my boat that I've had for five years
or so, both have never done anything but work flawlessly.


Since you probably don't keep very small birds on your boat I'm
guessing
your spell checker got that one.

You have to compare them to see the difference. The resolution on the
Humminbirds is poor compared to others in the same category or price
range. The features are also lacking.

Dan


Definately not true. You get what you pay for in all instances. The one
I have at the helm is just for depth and schooling stripers, so it's a
cheapy, about $125 if I remember. The one in front however, is the 595c
and it's a great piece. What I don't like about Lowrance, other than
the fact that my buddy had one that quit twice, a $700 unit, and each
time they took approx. 3 months to fix it. The second time it quit, he
told them he'd like a new one, they just flatly refused, and fixed it
again. I think it's in his garage now, is the fact that the menu you
have to wade through to do common tasks is annoying. Where you can do
some things with the Hummingbird with a couple of button pushes, with
the Lowrance it takes several submenus to get to where you want.


That was an interesting paragraph. I got a headache trying to read it
starting from the misspelled first word!

If $125 was the price, Eagle/Lowrance will be a better product than
Humminbird - at least a few years ago when I looked. Currently, the
Humminbird ads still show relatively low-res products.

Dan

PS. There still isn't a "G" in Humminbird.

Awe.....how cute...your school girl like infatuation is something to
behold.....
At each price level, the resolution in all units is about equal. Add to
that Lowrance's horrible customer service, you'll have a clear choice.


Have heard good things about Lowrence. Personal experience with Huminbird,
years ago, that they do not know about customer service. First LCD depth
finder was a Huminbird. Switch broke about a year later, and the repair
cost was the cost of a new unit. And since they used a switch with a metal
disk in it, it was a guaranteed failure.

On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 17:34:43 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Dan wrote:
basskisser wrote:

Dan wrote:

basskisser wrote:


Dan wrote:


Mustaf Herod Apyur Poupr wrote:



On 3 Oct 2006 15:37:45 -0700, wrote:




What is a good brand of a reasonably priced depthfinder? I don't
necessarily need something "top of the line"
But if running on the river, it would be nice to know how much
water is
below you....


WalMart has Eagles for cheap if you are just looking for a bottom
finder. They are good units.

Agreed. I've never been a fan of Humminbird and I have had both on a
bass boat at the same time.


Why? I've got two Hummingbirds on my boat that I've had for five years
or so, both have never done anything but work flawlessly.


Since you probably don't keep very small birds on your boat I'm
guessing
your spell checker got that one.

You have to compare them to see the difference. The resolution on the
Humminbirds is poor compared to others in the same category or price
range. The features are also lacking.

Dan


Definately not true. You get what you pay for in all instances. The one
I have at the helm is just for depth and schooling stripers, so it's a
cheapy, about $125 if I remember. The one in front however, is the 595c
and it's a great piece. What I don't like about Lowrance, other than
the fact that my buddy had one that quit twice, a $700 unit, and each
time they took approx. 3 months to fix it. The second time it quit, he
told them he'd like a new one, they just flatly refused, and fixed it
again. I think it's in his garage now, is the fact that the menu you
have to wade through to do common tasks is annoying. Where you can do
some things with the Hummingbird with a couple of button pushes, with
the Lowrance it takes several submenus to get to where you want.


That was an interesting paragraph. I got a headache trying to read it
starting from the misspelled first word!

If $125 was the price, Eagle/Lowrance will be a better product than
Humminbird - at least a few years ago when I looked. Currently, the
Humminbird ads still show relatively low-res products.

Dan

PS. There still isn't a "G" in Humminbird.

Awe.....how cute...your school girl like infatuation is something to
behold.....
At each price level, the resolution in all units is about equal. Add to
that Lowrance's horrible customer service, you'll have a clear choice.


Have heard good things about Lowrence. Personal experience with Huminbird,
years ago, that they do not know about customer service. First LCD depth
finder was a Huminbird. Switch broke about a year later, and the repair
cost was the cost of a new unit. And since they used a switch with a metal
disk in it, it was a guaranteed failure.


My Lowrance is nine years old and has never shown a problem. I'd get
another in a minute, but figure mine'll be good for another ten years or
so.