"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:11:59 -0000, "thunder"
wrote:

Linux has come a long way.

And it has a long way to go.

The problem is that 99.9% of web sites, consumer hardware accessories
and consumer software are designed for the MS/Windows environment. If
it works fine, if not, you are on your own in the wild west.

Linux will always be in catch up mode.

That said, I recently down loaded a Knoppix disk and was pleasantly
surprised in most respects. It didn't support any of my WiFi adapters
however, or my USB thumb drive.


Seems like many of the Microsoft alternatives are not totally compatible
with IE, even browsers. I was using Firefox for a while and liked it, but
there were many things it could not display. Some were cured with plug-ins
but some still don't have a supporting plug-in. My website's main page has
a goofy spider that walks around the screen. When viewing in Firefox it is
stuck in the corner. Also I set some transitions that fade out, fade in,
etc. when you go from page to page. They don't work in Firefox.

Eisboch

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:41:06 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


I've spent plenty of time accessing the web from a friend's Linux machine. I
didn't have any problems with perhaps 20-30 sites.

LOL, you, my friend, have fallen victim to MS's "embrace and extend". If
the site was W3C compliant, it would have rendered perfectly, as all Linux
browsers as far as I know, are W3C compliant. The problem lies with
Windows, as several lawsuits have shown. They will "embrace" an new
technology, say Java, "extend" it my adding some BS extension using their
monopoly to leverage against a defined universal standards, rendering it
less than universal. But hey, not to worry, the vulnerabilities are only
a minimal inconvenience.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace...and_extinguish

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 11:17:20 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


Seems like many of the Microsoft alternatives are not totally compatible
with IE, even browsers. I was using Firefox for a while and liked it, but
there were many things it could not display. Some were cured with plug-ins
but some still don't have a supporting plug-in. My website's main page has
a goofy spider that walks around the screen. When viewing in Firefox it is
stuck in the corner. Also I set some transitions that fade out, fade in,
etc. when you go from page to page. They don't work in Firefox.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace...and_extinguish

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:41:06 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


I've spent plenty of time accessing the web from a friend's Linux
machine. I
didn't have any problems with perhaps 20-30 sites.

LOL, you, my friend, have fallen victim to MS's "embrace and extend". If
the site was W3C compliant, it would have rendered perfectly, as all Linux
browsers as far as I know, are W3C compliant. The problem lies with
Windows, as several lawsuits have shown. They will "embrace" an new
technology, say Java, "extend" it my adding some BS extension using their
monopoly to leverage against a defined universal standards, rendering it
less than universal. But hey, not to worry, the vulnerabilities are only
a minimal inconvenience.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace...and_extinguish


Ya know, I randomly find problems on some sites with both IE and Firefox.
They're usually sites that are so badly designed that they don't deserve to
exist anyway.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"thunder" wrote in message
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:41:06 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


I've spent plenty of time accessing the web from a friend's Linux
machine. I
didn't have any problems with perhaps 20-30 sites.

LOL, you, my friend, have fallen victim to MS's "embrace and extend". If
the site was W3C compliant, it would have rendered perfectly, as all
Linux
browsers as far as I know, are W3C compliant. The problem lies with
Windows, as several lawsuits have shown. They will "embrace" an new
technology, say Java, "extend" it my adding some BS extension using their
monopoly to leverage against a defined universal standards, rendering it
less than universal. But hey, not to worry, the vulnerabilities are only
a minimal inconvenience.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace...and_extinguish


Ya know, I randomly find problems on some sites with both IE and Firefox.
They're usually sites that are so badly designed that they don't deserve
to exist anyway.


EXccccuuuusssseee Me?

Eisboch

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 15:16:49 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


WiFi can be problematic. I'm careful to check several hardware
compatibility sites before purchasing any hardware. That being said,
there's a good chance you can get your WiFi working using your Window's
driver and ndiswrapper.

http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/

You might want to try the command lspci in a terminal window. It should
tell you if Knoppix is recognizing your WiFi cards.

English please? :)

OK, I'm not a Knoppix user, so I don't know what cards it supports, nor do
I know what cards Wayne.B is using. As I said previously, one of Linux's
disadvantages is certain hardware is not supported. WiFi is especially
problematic as Linux supports chips, not cards, and manufacturers change
chips with abandon. That being said, there is a program ndiswrapper that
will provide a wrapper to the Windows WiFi driver, allowing the card to
work.

I'm not sure if Wayne.B is that interested in getting Linux to work, but
if he were, there are ways to troubleshoot the Knoppix CD. lspci will
list all your pci hardware detected. iwconfig will list all your net
interfaces.

Or, try another live CD. Not all distros are the same, and not all
distros support all the same hardware. I'd suggest Ubuntu. It's quite
modern with new releases several times a year.


http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"thunder" wrote in message
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:41:06 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


I've spent plenty of time accessing the web from a friend's Linux
machine. I
didn't have any problems with perhaps 20-30 sites.

LOL, you, my friend, have fallen victim to MS's "embrace and extend".
If
the site was W3C compliant, it would have rendered perfectly, as all
Linux
browsers as far as I know, are W3C compliant. The problem lies with
Windows, as several lawsuits have shown. They will "embrace" an new
technology, say Java, "extend" it my adding some BS extension using
their
monopoly to leverage against a defined universal standards, rendering it
less than universal. But hey, not to worry, the vulnerabilities are
only
a minimal inconvenience.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace...and_extinguish


Ya know, I randomly find problems on some sites with both IE and Firefox.
They're usually sites that are so badly designed that they don't deserve
to exist anyway.


EXccccuuuusssseee Me?

Eisboch

Don't tell me you've never run across web sites which made it obvious that
the designers had NEVER cracked a book before sitting down to build the
monstrosity.

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 11:28:39 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


EXccccuuuusssseee Me?

I didn't say that, but then again, I never noticed a spider on your site. ;-)

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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Ya know, I randomly find problems on some sites with both IE and
Firefox. They're usually sites that are so badly designed that they
don't deserve to exist anyway.


EXccccuuuusssseee Me?

Eisboch

Don't tell me you've never run across web sites which made it obvious that
the designers had NEVER cracked a book before sitting down to build the
monstrosity.


Gimmie a "Whoooosh"

Eisboch :-)

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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Ya know, I randomly find problems on some sites with both IE and
Firefox. They're usually sites that are so badly designed that they
don't deserve to exist anyway.


EXccccuuuusssseee Me?

Eisboch

Don't tell me you've never run across web sites which made it obvious
that the designers had NEVER cracked a book before sitting down to build
the monstrosity.


Gimmie a "Whoooosh"

Eisboch :-)


My point was this, Mr Whoosh: If you spend enough time in newsgroups where
IE and Firefox are discussed, you'll find both of the rabid followings
blaming the other browser when a site doesn't work. But, they get very quiet
(and stupid) when a site exhibits the exact same defects on both browsers.