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JoeSpareBedroom September 25th 06 01:33 PM

How to Dump Wastes That Are in a Bucket (a Potty)?
 
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Stanley Barthfarkle wrote:
How do we get rid of wastes that we leave in a potty? My boat is so
small that I cannot easily fit a porta potti into the existing
structure of the boat. I am thinking of using a 3-gal bucket and
lining it with layers of plastic bags, and use it as a potty. But I am
wondering what I am going to do with all these bags of human wastes:

o Do I need to open each bag when I get back home and
dump the content into my toilet? :(

o Should I simply dump all the bags of human wastes
into my trash can and let the sanitation worker to
remove it along with other household trashes?



Come back and tell us all about what happens when the bucket tips over
and
fills the boat with fun stuff.


No, this is not supposed to happen. The idea is that people should tie
a knot to "kind of" seal the plastic bag after finishing their
"business". Of course, there is nothing to prevent people from not
sealing the bag though. Therefore, I plan to build kind of a box to
surround the bucket and seat the bucket inside the box.

Jay Chan


By the time you build this contraption, it will be as big as, or bigger than
a ready-made portable toilet made specifically for boats. Didn't someone
point that out to you yesterday in another message? Have you even taken the
time to browse these things at a site like www.westmarine.com?



[email protected] September 25th 06 02:14 PM

How to Dump Wastes That Are in a Bucket (a Potty)?
 
Chuck Gould wrote:
wrote:
How do we get rid of wastes that we leave in a potty? My boat is so
small that I cannot easily fit a porta potti into the existing
structure of the boat. I am thinking of using a 3-gal bucket and
lining it with layers of plastic bags, and use it as a potty. But I am
wondering what I am going to do with all these bags of human wastes:

o Do I need to open each bag when I get back home and
dump the content into my toilet? :(

o Should I simply dump all the bags of human wastes
into my trash can and let the sanitation worker to
remove it along with other household trashes?

Any idea?

Thanks in advance for any info.

Jay Chan


Not that I'd recommend this, but it's technically "legal" under the
USCG regs to urinate or defecate directly overboard. By that I mean you
literally have to hang out over the side. (now, this could get you in
trouble under the public urination, indecent exposure, etc ordinances
in various locations) You only go afoul of the USCG regs if you
"discharge" untreated sewage overboard in most locations- meaning that
if you never had it in a bucket, porta-potti, holding tank, etc it
isn't being discharged from your vessel. In reality, most guys-only
fishing trips in boats too small for a porta-potti almost certainly
involve some "direct" drainage, especially when a bit away from crowded
areas.


I understand your suggestion, and directly discharging liquid waste
over board probably is a very easy thing to do. But directly
discharging the solid stuff doesn't seem to be easy to do. After
throwing the solid stuff over board, we still need to wash the bucket
for the next use. To avoid washing the bucket, we will have to line
the bucket with a plastic bag before each use. If I am going to line
the bucket with a plastic bag, I may as well store the waste in the
plastic bag and dump it at home -- at least I won't have to see the
waste floating around my boat, and properly dump the waste is a good
thing to do anyway.

Thanks for pointing out an alternative. But I likely will not want to
do this.

Jay Chan


JohnH September 25th 06 02:28 PM

How to Dump Wastes That Are in a Bucket (a Potty)?
 
On 25 Sep 2006 06:14:39 -0700, "
wrote:

Chuck Gould wrote:
wrote:
How do we get rid of wastes that we leave in a potty? My boat is so
small that I cannot easily fit a porta potti into the existing
structure of the boat. I am thinking of using a 3-gal bucket and
lining it with layers of plastic bags, and use it as a potty. But I am
wondering what I am going to do with all these bags of human wastes:

o Do I need to open each bag when I get back home and
dump the content into my toilet? :(

o Should I simply dump all the bags of human wastes
into my trash can and let the sanitation worker to
remove it along with other household trashes?

Any idea?

Thanks in advance for any info.

Jay Chan


Not that I'd recommend this, but it's technically "legal" under the
USCG regs to urinate or defecate directly overboard. By that I mean you
literally have to hang out over the side. (now, this could get you in
trouble under the public urination, indecent exposure, etc ordinances
in various locations) You only go afoul of the USCG regs if you
"discharge" untreated sewage overboard in most locations- meaning that
if you never had it in a bucket, porta-potti, holding tank, etc it
isn't being discharged from your vessel. In reality, most guys-only
fishing trips in boats too small for a porta-potti almost certainly
involve some "direct" drainage, especially when a bit away from crowded
areas.


I understand your suggestion, and directly discharging liquid waste
over board probably is a very easy thing to do. But directly
discharging the solid stuff doesn't seem to be easy to do. After
throwing the solid stuff over board, we still need to wash the bucket
for the next use. To avoid washing the bucket, we will have to line
the bucket with a plastic bag before each use. If I am going to line
the bucket with a plastic bag, I may as well store the waste in the
plastic bag and dump it at home -- at least I won't have to see the
waste floating around my boat, and properly dump the waste is a good
thing to do anyway.

Thanks for pointing out an alternative. But I likely will not want to
do this.

Jay Chan


Put water in the bucket *before* it gets used. Then it can be rinsed
overboard.

[email protected] September 25th 06 03:07 PM

How to Dump Wastes That Are in a Bucket (a Potty)?
 
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
Stanley Barthfarkle wrote:
How do we get rid of wastes that we leave in a potty? My boat is so
small that I cannot easily fit a porta potti into the existing
structure of the boat. I am thinking of using a 3-gal bucket and
lining it with layers of plastic bags, and use it as a potty. But I am
wondering what I am going to do with all these bags of human wastes:

o Do I need to open each bag when I get back home and
dump the content into my toilet? :(

o Should I simply dump all the bags of human wastes
into my trash can and let the sanitation worker to
remove it along with other household trashes?


Come back and tell us all about what happens when the bucket tips over
and
fills the boat with fun stuff.


No, this is not supposed to happen. The idea is that people should tie
a knot to "kind of" seal the plastic bag after finishing their
"business". Of course, there is nothing to prevent people from not
sealing the bag though. Therefore, I plan to build kind of a box to
surround the bucket and seat the bucket inside the box.

Jay Chan


By the time you build this contraption, it will be as big as, or bigger than
a ready-made portable toilet made specifically for boats. Didn't someone
point that out to you yesterday in another message? Have you even taken the
time to browse these things at a site like www.westmarine.com?


This has to do with the configuration of my boat. A porta potti that
is being sold in West Marine or BoaterWorld tends to be at least 14"
wide. Although my boat is 18-ft long, there is hardly any place that
can fit a 14" wide device, and the spaces that can fit the porta potti
are not a good place for doing "business":

Example 1: I could have placed it in the casting platform at the
bow; but that area is not a very comfortable place for doing "business"
with or without any wave action (just too exposed). Moreover, the
person who needs to do "business" will have to fight for the space with
people who need to use that prime area for fishing.

Example 2: I could have placed it at the rear corner of the boat
near the outboard and away from any foot traffic. But that area has a
very low gunwhale and is kind of sloping toward the sea (to assist in
self-bailing) and is not a stable platform for doing "business". I am
afraid that someone may fall into the sea while doing "business". And
this pretty much prevent anyone from doing "business" while the boat is
underway.

Example 3: I could have placed it right behind the captain seat.
But I have planned to put a large cooler (to serve as a livewell)
behind the captain seat. Moreover, that area is also kind of sloping
toward the sea.

This means the potty must be very small that can fit into the available
space near the center of the boat and away from foot traffic and away
from the edge of the boat. And I have found such a place which is
under the front bench that is right in front of the center console.
The space under the seat of the front bench is hallow and is an
alternate way of getting access to the inside of the console. That
space is deep but not wide (only 10.5" wide from front to back); and
this is the reason why I need to choose a small 3-gal bucket that can
fit under the seat. I imagine that when someone needs to do
"business", he will remove the seat to reveal the bucket under the
seat, line the bucket with a plastic bag, place a toilet seat over the
bucket, hang a custain from the T-top to cover the area to get some
privacy, and do the "business"... In other words, there is enough
space under the front seat for me to add a box to house the bucket.

This has everything to do with the configuration of my boat. I can
imagine that if the boat had a high gunwhale, I would likely put a
porta potti in the corner of the stern area and would not bother with
using a bucket as a potty.

Jay Chan


[email protected] September 25th 06 03:11 PM

How to Dump Wastes That Are in a Bucket (a Potty)?
 
JohnH wrote:
On 25 Sep 2006 06:14:39 -0700, "
wrote:

Chuck Gould wrote:
wrote:
How do we get rid of wastes that we leave in a potty? My boat is so
small that I cannot easily fit a porta potti into the existing
structure of the boat. I am thinking of using a 3-gal bucket and
lining it with layers of plastic bags, and use it as a potty. But I am
wondering what I am going to do with all these bags of human wastes:

o Do I need to open each bag when I get back home and
dump the content into my toilet? :(

o Should I simply dump all the bags of human wastes
into my trash can and let the sanitation worker to
remove it along with other household trashes?

Any idea?

Thanks in advance for any info.

Jay Chan

Not that I'd recommend this, but it's technically "legal" under the
USCG regs to urinate or defecate directly overboard. By that I mean you
literally have to hang out over the side. (now, this could get you in
trouble under the public urination, indecent exposure, etc ordinances
in various locations) You only go afoul of the USCG regs if you
"discharge" untreated sewage overboard in most locations- meaning that
if you never had it in a bucket, porta-potti, holding tank, etc it
isn't being discharged from your vessel. In reality, most guys-only
fishing trips in boats too small for a porta-potti almost certainly
involve some "direct" drainage, especially when a bit away from crowded
areas.


I understand your suggestion, and directly discharging liquid waste
over board probably is a very easy thing to do. But directly
discharging the solid stuff doesn't seem to be easy to do. After
throwing the solid stuff over board, we still need to wash the bucket
for the next use. To avoid washing the bucket, we will have to line
the bucket with a plastic bag before each use. If I am going to line
the bucket with a plastic bag, I may as well store the waste in the
plastic bag and dump it at home -- at least I won't have to see the
waste floating around my boat, and properly dump the waste is a good
thing to do anyway.

Thanks for pointing out an alternative. But I likely will not want to
do this.

Jay Chan


Put water in the bucket *before* it gets used. Then it can be rinsed
overboard.


I must admit that yours is a good idea. But I just have a hard time
overcoming that psychological barrier of throwing solid waste
overboard.

Jay Chan


Reginald P. Smithers III September 25th 06 04:11 PM

How to Dump Wastes That Are in a Bucket (a Potty)?
 
wrote:
JohnH wrote:
On 25 Sep 2006 06:14:39 -0700, "
wrote:

Chuck Gould wrote:
wrote:
How do we get rid of wastes that we leave in a potty? My boat is so
small that I cannot easily fit a porta potti into the existing
structure of the boat. I am thinking of using a 3-gal bucket and
lining it with layers of plastic bags, and use it as a potty. But I am
wondering what I am going to do with all these bags of human wastes:

o Do I need to open each bag when I get back home and
dump the content into my toilet? :(

o Should I simply dump all the bags of human wastes
into my trash can and let the sanitation worker to
remove it along with other household trashes?

Any idea?

Thanks in advance for any info.

Jay Chan
Not that I'd recommend this, but it's technically "legal" under the
USCG regs to urinate or defecate directly overboard. By that I mean you
literally have to hang out over the side. (now, this could get you in
trouble under the public urination, indecent exposure, etc ordinances
in various locations) You only go afoul of the USCG regs if you
"discharge" untreated sewage overboard in most locations- meaning that
if you never had it in a bucket, porta-potti, holding tank, etc it
isn't being discharged from your vessel. In reality, most guys-only
fishing trips in boats too small for a porta-potti almost certainly
involve some "direct" drainage, especially when a bit away from crowded
areas.
I understand your suggestion, and directly discharging liquid waste
over board probably is a very easy thing to do. But directly
discharging the solid stuff doesn't seem to be easy to do. After
throwing the solid stuff over board, we still need to wash the bucket
for the next use. To avoid washing the bucket, we will have to line
the bucket with a plastic bag before each use. If I am going to line
the bucket with a plastic bag, I may as well store the waste in the
plastic bag and dump it at home -- at least I won't have to see the
waste floating around my boat, and properly dump the waste is a good
thing to do anyway.

Thanks for pointing out an alternative. But I likely will not want to
do this.

Jay Chan

Put water in the bucket *before* it gets used. Then it can be rinsed
overboard.


I must admit that yours is a good idea. But I just have a hard time
overcoming that psychological barrier of throwing solid waste
overboard.

Jay Chan

Jay,
You are correct that you should not throw solid waste overboard unless
you are in a legal discharge area. I think people don't have the
correct info on the use of a bucket. I think the law says that is the
exact same thing as using your discharge value of your head tank. You
can only dump a bucket overboard if you are in a legal discharge area.
Go to rec.boats.cruising and ask Peggy and she can give you the legal
aspects of dumping overboard.

JohnH September 25th 06 05:23 PM

How to Dump Wastes That Are in a Bucket (a Potty)?
 
On 25 Sep 2006 07:11:15 -0700, "
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On 25 Sep 2006 06:14:39 -0700, "
wrote:

Chuck Gould wrote:
wrote:
How do we get rid of wastes that we leave in a potty? My boat is so
small that I cannot easily fit a porta potti into the existing
structure of the boat. I am thinking of using a 3-gal bucket and
lining it with layers of plastic bags, and use it as a potty. But I am
wondering what I am going to do with all these bags of human wastes:

o Do I need to open each bag when I get back home and
dump the content into my toilet? :(

o Should I simply dump all the bags of human wastes
into my trash can and let the sanitation worker to
remove it along with other household trashes?

Any idea?

Thanks in advance for any info.

Jay Chan

Not that I'd recommend this, but it's technically "legal" under the
USCG regs to urinate or defecate directly overboard. By that I mean you
literally have to hang out over the side. (now, this could get you in
trouble under the public urination, indecent exposure, etc ordinances
in various locations) You only go afoul of the USCG regs if you
"discharge" untreated sewage overboard in most locations- meaning that
if you never had it in a bucket, porta-potti, holding tank, etc it
isn't being discharged from your vessel. In reality, most guys-only
fishing trips in boats too small for a porta-potti almost certainly
involve some "direct" drainage, especially when a bit away from crowded
areas.

I understand your suggestion, and directly discharging liquid waste
over board probably is a very easy thing to do. But directly
discharging the solid stuff doesn't seem to be easy to do. After
throwing the solid stuff over board, we still need to wash the bucket
for the next use. To avoid washing the bucket, we will have to line
the bucket with a plastic bag before each use. If I am going to line
the bucket with a plastic bag, I may as well store the waste in the
plastic bag and dump it at home -- at least I won't have to see the
waste floating around my boat, and properly dump the waste is a good
thing to do anyway.

Thanks for pointing out an alternative. But I likely will not want to
do this.

Jay Chan


Put water in the bucket *before* it gets used. Then it can be rinsed
overboard.


I must admit that yours is a good idea. But I just have a hard time
overcoming that psychological barrier of throwing solid waste
overboard.

Jay Chan


I do to. That's why I tell everyone to go potty before we head out.
However, emergencies happen, and I can get over my psychological barriers
when they occur. It's only happened twice in the last several years.


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