"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
Not OT as there are Citgo gas stations at marinas across the US.

With every dollar you spend at a Citgo station (owned by Hugo Chavez) you
put money towards the weapons he purchases with an aim to kill you, your
family and your friends in the United States. Those dollars will
eventually
buy the nuclear missiles he will station on Cuba.

Doubt me? Just wait. Once Fidel passes away we will see the Cuban
missile
crisis relived, this time more volatile and lead by Hugo Chavez.

Troll.

Response not OT as trolls live under bridges, bridges go over rivers,
and there might be a boat on the river. :-)


Why is this a troll Chuck? How is it not related to the gas you choose to
purchase at your marina, which may or may not be a Citgo station? The post
is indeed on topic.

So do you endorse the purchase of gasoline from Citgo stations?

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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
Not OT as there are Citgo gas stations at marinas across the US.

With every dollar you spend at a Citgo station (owned by Hugo Chavez)
you
put money towards the weapons he purchases with an aim to kill you, your
family and your friends in the United States. Those dollars will
eventually
buy the nuclear missiles he will station on Cuba.

Doubt me? Just wait. Once Fidel passes away we will see the Cuban
missile
crisis relived, this time more volatile and lead by Hugo Chavez.

Troll.

Response not OT as trolls live under bridges, bridges go over rivers,
and there might be a boat on the river. :-)


Why is this a troll Chuck? How is it not related to the gas you choose to
purchase at your marina, which may or may not be a Citgo station? The
post is indeed on topic.

So do you endorse the purchase of gasoline from Citgo stations?


Oops, almost forgot.................for Richard............ ;-)

JimH wrote:


Why is this a troll Chuck? How is it not related to the gas you choose to
purchase at your marina, which may or may not be a Citgo station? The post
is indeed on topic.

Because it wasn't really about buying gas at a marina. It was really
about your prediction that Hugo Chavez is "out to kill us all with
nuclear bombs".


So do you endorse the purchase of gasoline from Citgo stations?

Of course not. I prefer to send my petro-dollars to the muslim
extremists who buy and sell oil through those traditional American oil
companies 49% controlled by good ol' boys from Texas and their
families, but thanks for asking.

If you *were* actually interested in the geo-political ramifications of
purchasing fuel at a marina- one thing most experienced boaters would
take into account is that unlike driving a car down the freeway with
3-4 filling stations at nearly every exit, a boater often has very few
options concerning where he or she will buy fuel. It can be many miles
between fuel docks. If you have CITGO gas on your fuel dock and don't
want to buy it, it isn't like you can just pull around to the other
side of the float and fill up with Shell or Chevron instead.

Would I run out of fuel and have to call for a tow rather than buy
CITGO at a fuel dock?
Heck no. It isn't always as simple as just boycotting a particular
station, and even if it were it would be unlikely to change world
events much.

Weren't just about the same folks now calling for a boycott of CITGO
demanding that everybody smash all of their Dixie Chicks CD's a couple
of years ago? The DC's seem to be back stronger than ever now, and
whatever one might happen to think of GWB he is no better or worse
president as a result of Natalie's on-stage insult *or* the boycott by
furious GWB fans.

But here's a practical suggestion for you. I would suspect that, unlike
roadside filling stations, CITGO probably doesn't own very many of the
fuel docks. It would be more likely that the fuel docks are privately
owned and buy fuel from CITGO wholesale (so part of your money supports
an independent American small businessperson who probably votes a lot
like you do- see how complicated this can get?) If you have a privately
owned fuel dock selling CITGO fuel and you *really* feel strongly about
the situation, get up a petition signed by yourself and several other
people on the dock *requesting* that the fuel dock owner switch to a
different brand of fuel.

You'll feel vindicated and be lulled into a false sense of patriotism
if your fuel dock switches, but in the current global market CITGO can
sell all the oil it want to pump and refine, anyway. Changing your fuel
buying habits at the marina won't make you any safer from terrorists.
There are a few things that could be changed that *would* make us
safer, but that gets so far off topic and becomes political so I will
simply let it go at that.

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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Weren't just about the same folks now calling for a boycott of CITGO
demanding that everybody smash all of their Dixie Chicks CD's a couple
of years ago? The DC's seem to be back stronger than ever now

Nope. The Dixie Chicks had to cancel numerous concert dates across this
country due to poor ticket sales, and replace them with concerts in Canada.





, and
whatever one might happen to think of GWB he is no better or worse
president as a result of Natalie's on-stage insult *or* the boycott by
furious GWB fans.

But here's a practical suggestion for you. I would suspect that, unlike
roadside filling stations, CITGO probably doesn't own very many of the
fuel docks. It would be more likely that the fuel docks are privately
owned and buy fuel from CITGO wholesale (so part of your money supports
an independent American small businessperson who probably votes a lot
like you do- see how complicated this can get?) If you have a privately
owned fuel dock selling CITGO fuel and you *really* feel strongly about
the situation, get up a petition signed by yourself and several other
people on the dock *requesting* that the fuel dock owner switch to a
different brand of fuel.


Why get a petition? He'll get the point more effectively when he sees
declining fuel sales.

NOYB wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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Weren't just about the same folks now calling for a boycott of CITGO
demanding that everybody smash all of their Dixie Chicks CD's a couple
of years ago? The DC's seem to be back stronger than ever now

Nope. The Dixie Chicks had to cancel numerous concert dates across this
country due to poor ticket sales, and replace them with concerts in Canada.


It's probably a rare day that we can both be reasonably right on the
same issue, NOYB.
Record sales are through the roof right now for the Chicks. Last album
sold over a half million copies in the first week! One of the reasons
their concerts didn't sell very well in the south didn't have much to
do with the fans. After all, somebody is buying all those records,
aren't they? The biggest problems the Chicks had was that certain radio
stations, notably those owned by the network that airs Rush Limbaugh
(and that can be all of the stations in a lot of smaller communities)
refused to allow the promoters to buy advertising time on their radio
stations.

From an article on the net:


The Chicks' new album, entitled Taking the Long Way, was released in
stores and online May 22, 2006. The album was produced by Rick Rubin
(who had worked with Metallica, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Johnny Cash,
Neil Diamond, and the Beastie Boys among others) and was publicized to
be more rock-intensive than country-oriented. [5] [6] All 14 tracks
were co-written by the three Chicks, alongside various other
songwriters. The album contained additional tracks that seemed to
indirectly reference what the group called "The Incident", and the
group remained outwardly defiant. For instance, in the May 29 issue of
Time, Maguire said, "I'd rather have a smaller following of really cool
people who get it, who will grow with us as we grow and are fans for
life, than people that have us in their five-disc changer with Reba
McEntire and Toby Keith. We don't want those kinds of fans. They limit
what you can do." Maines also retracted her earlier apology to Bush,
stating, "I apologized for disrespecting the office of the President,
but I don't feel that way anymore. I don't feel he is owed any respect
whatsoever." [7]

Despite minimal airplay, Taking the Long Way debuted at number one on
both the U.S. pop albums chart and the U.S. country albums chart,
selling 526,000 copies in the first week (the year's second-best such
total for any country act) and making it a gold record within its first
week. The Chicks became the first female group in chart history to have
three albums debut at #1.[8]

The group's Accidents & Accusations Tour began in July 2006. Ticket
sales were strong in Canada, decent in some Northeastern markets, but
notably weak in other areas. A number of shows were cancelled due to
poor sales, and in Houston, Texas, tickets never even went on sale when
local radio stations refused to accept advertising for the event [9].
In August, a re-routed tour schedule was announced with a greater
emphasis on Canadian dates, where Taking the Long Way had gone
five-times-platinum. The tour's shows themselves generally refrained
from any explicit verbal political comments, letting the music,
especially the central performance of "Not Ready to Make Nice", speak
for itself.



But here's a practical suggestion for you. I would suspect that, unlike
roadside filling stations, CITGO probably doesn't own very many of the
fuel docks. It would be more likely that the fuel docks are privately
owned and buy fuel from CITGO wholesale (so part of your money supports
an independent American small businessperson who probably votes a lot
like you do- see how complicated this can get?) If you have a privately
owned fuel dock selling CITGO fuel and you *really* feel strongly about
the situation, get up a petition signed by yourself and several other
people on the dock *requesting* that the fuel dock owner switch to a
different brand of fuel.


Why get a petition? He'll get the point more effectively when he sees
declining fuel sales.

No, the point here is that he probably *won't* see any declining fuel
sales if (as in most locations) there isn't another fuel dock in the
immediate vicinity. If there's no choice people will buy it. Same thing
as with these silly "Don't buy any gas for a day" boycotts
that pop up from time to time. Ok, so one day is slow.....sales are all
the more red hot for three days thereafter because nobody stopped
drving, they just timed their fill-up differently. Oil company/ gas
station/ fuel dock sells just as much product for the week as always,
just on a different day.

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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Weren't just about the same folks now calling for a boycott of CITGO
demanding that everybody smash all of their Dixie Chicks CD's a couple
of years ago? The DC's seem to be back stronger than ever now

Nope. The Dixie Chicks had to cancel numerous concert dates across this
country due to poor ticket sales, and replace them with concerts in
Canada.


It's probably a rare day that we can both be reasonably right on the
same issue, NOYB.
Record sales are through the roof right now for the Chicks.

Thanks to the international market.

Last album
sold over a half million copies in the first week! One of the reasons
their concerts didn't sell very well in the south didn't have much to
do with the fans.

Sure it did. It had *alot* to do with the insults they hurled at Bush, and
the insults they hurled at country fans in general (remember the spat with
Reba McIntyre?)



After all, somebody is buying all those records,
aren't they?

Yup.
Canadians, Australians, and the Brits.

? The biggest problems the Chicks had was that certain radio
stations, notably those owned by the network that airs Rush Limbaugh
(and that can be all of the stations in a lot of smaller communities)
refused to allow the promoters to buy advertising time on their radio
stations.

The biggest problem the Chicks had was their mouths.


From an article on the net:

I'm not interested in what some blogger decided to write on the readily
editable Wikipedia.






But here's a practical suggestion for you. I would suspect that, unlike
roadside filling stations, CITGO probably doesn't own very many of the
fuel docks. It would be more likely that the fuel docks are privately
owned and buy fuel from CITGO wholesale (so part of your money supports
an independent American small businessperson who probably votes a lot
like you do- see how complicated this can get?) If you have a privately
owned fuel dock selling CITGO fuel and you *really* feel strongly about
the situation, get up a petition signed by yourself and several other
people on the dock *requesting* that the fuel dock owner switch to a
different brand of fuel.


Why get a petition? He'll get the point more effectively when he sees
declining fuel sales.

No, the point here is that he probably *won't* see any declining fuel
sales if (as in most locations) there isn't another fuel dock in the
immediate vicinity.

You're discounting the fact that people can turn to mobile fueling services.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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Weren't just about the same folks now calling for a boycott of CITGO
demanding that everybody smash all of their Dixie Chicks CD's a couple
of years ago? The DC's seem to be back stronger than ever now

Nope. The Dixie Chicks had to cancel numerous concert dates across this
country due to poor ticket sales, and replace them with concerts in
Canada.


It's probably a rare day that we can both be reasonably right on the
same issue, NOYB.
Record sales are through the roof right now for the Chicks.

Thanks to the international market.

Last album
sold over a half million copies in the first week! One of the reasons
their concerts didn't sell very well in the south didn't have much to
do with the fans.

Sure it did. It had *alot* to do with the insults they hurled at Bush,
and the insults they hurled at country fans in general (remember the spat
with Reba McIntyre?)



After all, somebody is buying all those records,
aren't they?

Yup.
Canadians, Australians, and the Brits.

? The biggest problems the Chicks had was that certain radio
stations, notably those owned by the network that airs Rush Limbaugh
(and that can be all of the stations in a lot of smaller communities)
refused to allow the promoters to buy advertising time on their radio
stations.

The biggest problem the Chicks had was their mouths.


From an article on the net:

I'm not interested in what some blogger decided to write on the readily
editable Wikipedia.






But here's a practical suggestion for you. I would suspect that,
unlike
roadside filling stations, CITGO probably doesn't own very many of the
fuel docks. It would be more likely that the fuel docks are privately
owned and buy fuel from CITGO wholesale (so part of your money
supports
an independent American small businessperson who probably votes a lot
like you do- see how complicated this can get?) If you have a
privately
owned fuel dock selling CITGO fuel and you *really* feel strongly
about
the situation, get up a petition signed by yourself and several other
people on the dock *requesting* that the fuel dock owner switch to a
different brand of fuel.


Why get a petition? He'll get the point more effectively when he sees
declining fuel sales.

No, the point here is that he probably *won't* see any declining fuel
sales if (as in most locations) there isn't another fuel dock in the
immediate vicinity.

You're discounting the fact that people can turn to mobile fueling
services.


Interesting to read Rangel's and Pelosi's statements to Chavez
yesterday......a day late and an obvious attempt at damage control as they
know they (the libs) created the climate that paved the way for such
outlandish remarks from Chavez at the UN. Chavez probably thought that
since they have done it for the past several years it is OK for him to do
the same.

JimH wrote:

Interesting to read Rangel's and Pelosi's statements to Chavez
yesterday......a day late and an obvious attempt at damage control as they
know they (the libs) created the climate that paved the way for such
outlandish remarks from Chavez at the UN. Chavez probably thought that
since they have done it for the past several years it is OK for him to do
the same.

Yeah, really. Thank heavens that no Americans ever said anything
negative about previous presidents. Why do you suppose that a country
like the US, where no president prior to GWB has ever been demonized by
the opposition, suddenly adopted the horrible practice of saying unkind
things about the Chief Executive? The nerve!

By the way, back to the sort-of-boating-related topic:

According to the CITGO website that fuel dock you would suggest we
boycott *is* almost certainly owned by an indpendent American small
businessman. The boycott
wouldn't affect CITGO or Chavez much, they would just sell the same oil
elsewhere.
It could, however, cost one of your neighbors his house.


Follows:



Q: Why is there no 800# available for CITGO?
A: Because CITGO locations are independently owned and operated, all
comments, inquiries and disputes are handled at the ownership level.

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Q: Why is there such a price difference between CITGO locations in my
area?
A: Locations are owned and operated by independent businessmen, so they
determine their own prices. By federal law, CITGO cannot control or
influence prices.

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Q: Who is responsible for the location's operation (i.e., pumping
equipment not working, posted price is different than the receipt, no
receipt is available, dirty rest rooms, rude attendant)?
A: CITGO does not own or operate any of its branded locations. The
owner and operator of that specific location is responsible for its
operation and employees.

NOYB wrote:


After all, somebody is buying all those records,
aren't they?

Yup.
Canadians, Australians, and the Brits.

A lot of them must be flying to Texas to do so. 20,000 of those 520,000
copies were sold in Houston alone.


You're discounting the fact that people can turn to mobile fueling services.

And in that case have *no idea* what brand of fuel they're getting.
Furthermore, a lot of
marinas associated with fuel docks aren't going to let a competing fuel
sales vehicle pull up and start pumping. There are environmental
concerns to consider, as well as the fact that the marina is getting a
rake-off from the fuel dock and wouldn't get one from some guy in stove
oil truck.

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:


After all, somebody is buying all those records,
aren't they?

Yup.
Canadians, Australians, and the Brits.

A lot of them must be flying to Texas to do so. 20,000 of those 520,000
copies were sold in Houston alone.

Those were Katrina evacuees.





You're discounting the fact that people can turn to mobile fueling
services.

And in that case have *no idea* what brand of fuel they're getting.

They can't ask?

Furthermore, a lot of
marinas associated with fuel docks aren't going to let a competing fuel
sales vehicle pull up and start pumping. There are environmental
concerns to consider, as well as the fact that the marina is getting a
rake-off from the fuel dock and wouldn't get one from some guy in stove
oil truck.

What about boats like mine, that sit on a lift or at a dock?