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Stupidity is Contagious
It filters right down from the upper echelons of the guvmint, apparently.
This should be interesting. The article includes maps showing proposed training zones. If you look at the maps and still think this plan is a good one, please be quiet. You are not familiar with the areas in question. **ACTION ALERT** U.S. Coast Guard Proposes Using Great Lakes as Firing Range Gunfire Exercises Endanger Public and the Environment Comment by November 13, 2006 **Please distribute this information to interested parties in the U.S. and Canada** The United States Coast Guard, Ninth District, is proposing to conduct live fire training throughout the Great Lakes. Great Lakes United has serious concerns that gunfire exercises on the Great Lakes will put the safety of the public and the environment at risk, and urges comment into this serious issue. Please note: this alert does not question whether Coast Guard personnel should be trained to handle weapons, rather whether significant portions of the Great Lakes should be designated for live fire military training. Background: The Ninth Coast Guard District is proposing the establishment of 34 live fire safety zones throughout the Great Lakes, covering a combined total of 2,376 square miles or 2.5% of the Lakes surface area. The safety zones will be used to train Coast Guard personnel in maritime law enforcement, national defense and homeland security using live 7.62mm NATO rounds fired from lightweight automatic weapons. The proposed zones would be permanent, and at this time are proposed for use "a few times in a calendar year. with each exercise lasting approximately 4-6 hours". The Coast Guard plans to alert the public in advance of all live gunfire exercises through broadcasts on a marine band radio channel which is used for distress, weather updates and marine information; they will also employ an observer to monitor the safety zone throughout the exercise. The Coast Guard also states that two independent environmental consulting companies have determined that the use of live weapons on the Great Lakes will present "no elevated risk to humans or the environment". You can view maps identifying the location of the live fire safety zones: 4 zones in Lake Erie at: http://piersystem.com/go/doc/443/131148/ 3 zones in Lake Ontario at: http://piersystem.com/go/doc/443/131143/ 7 zones in Lake Superior at: http://piersystem.com/go/doc/443/131141/ 6 zones in Lake Huron at: http://piersystem.com/go/doc/443/131146/ 7 zones in upper Lake Michigan at: http://piersystem.com/go/doc/443/131144/ 7 zones in lower Lake Michigan at: http://piersystem.com/go/doc/443/131144/ -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
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Stupidity is Contagious
On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:07:50 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: It filters right down from the upper echelons of the guvmint, apparently. This should be interesting. The article includes maps showing proposed training zones. If you look at the maps and still think this plan is a good one, please be quiet. You are not familiar with the areas in question. Yeah, right. You are just going to put something like this on a newsgroup posting and tell everyone who disagrees with YOUR obviously superior intellect to just shut up. I imagine you can kiss a lot of people's asses. I think I trust the Coast Guard to know the Great Lakes better than I trust you. Dave Hall **ACTION ALERT** U.S. Coast Guard Proposes Using Great Lakes as Firing Range Gunfire Exercises Endanger Public and the Environment Comment by November 13, 2006 **Please distribute this information to interested parties in the U.S. and Canada** The United States Coast Guard, Ninth District, is proposing to conduct live fire training throughout the Great Lakes. Great Lakes United has serious concerns that gunfire exercises on the Great Lakes will put the safety of the public and the environment at risk, and urges comment into this serious issue. Please note: this alert does not question whether Coast Guard personnel should be trained to handle weapons, rather whether significant portions of the Great Lakes should be designated for live fire military training. Background: The Ninth Coast Guard District is proposing the establishment of 34 live fire safety zones throughout the Great Lakes, covering a combined total of 2,376 square miles or 2.5% of the Lakes surface area. The safety zones will be used to train Coast Guard personnel in maritime law enforcement, national defense and homeland security using live 7.62mm NATO rounds fired from lightweight automatic weapons. The proposed zones would be permanent, and at this time are proposed for use "a few times in a calendar year. with each exercise lasting approximately 4-6 hours". The Coast Guard plans to alert the public in advance of all live gunfire exercises through broadcasts on a marine band radio channel which is used for distress, weather updates and marine information; they will also employ an observer to monitor the safety zone throughout the exercise. The Coast Guard also states that two independent environmental consulting companies have determined that the use of live weapons on the Great Lakes will present "no elevated risk to humans or the environment". You can view maps identifying the location of the live fire safety zones: 4 zones in Lake Erie at: http://piersystem.com/go/doc/443/131148/ 3 zones in Lake Ontario at: http://piersystem.com/go/doc/443/131143/ 7 zones in Lake Superior at: http://piersystem.com/go/doc/443/131141/ 6 zones in Lake Huron at: http://piersystem.com/go/doc/443/131146/ 7 zones in upper Lake Michigan at: http://piersystem.com/go/doc/443/131144/ 7 zones in lower Lake Michigan at: http://piersystem.com/go/doc/443/131144/ |
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message ... On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:07:50 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: It filters right down from the upper echelons of the guvmint, apparently. This should be interesting. The article includes maps showing proposed training zones. If you look at the maps and still think this plan is a good one, please be quiet. You are not familiar with the areas in question. Yeah, right. You are just going to put something like this on a newsgroup posting and tell everyone who disagrees with YOUR obviously superior intellect to just shut up. I imagine you can kiss a lot of people's asses. I think I trust the Coast Guard to know the Great Lakes better than I trust you. Dave Hall **ACTION ALERT** U.S. Coast Guard Proposes Using Great Lakes as Firing Range Gunfire Exercises Endanger Public and the Environment Comment by November 13, 2006 **Please distribute this information to interested parties in the U.S. and Canada** The United States Coast Guard, Ninth District, is proposing to conduct live fire training throughout the Great Lakes. Great Lakes United has serious concerns that gunfire exercises on the Great Lakes will put the safety of the public and the environment at risk, and urges comment into this serious issue. Please note: this alert does not question whether Coast Guard personnel should be trained to handle weapons, rather whether significant portions of the Great Lakes should be designated for live fire military training. Background: The Ninth Coast Guard District is proposing the establishment of 34 live fire safety zones throughout the Great Lakes, covering a combined total of 2,376 square miles or 2.5% of the Lakes surface area. The safety zones will be used to train Coast Guard personnel in maritime law enforcement, national defense and homeland security using live 7.62mm NATO rounds fired from lightweight automatic weapons. The proposed zones would be permanent, and at this time are proposed for use "a few times in a calendar year. with each exercise lasting approximately 4-6 hours". The Coast Guard plans to alert the public in advance of all live gunfire exercises through broadcasts on a marine band radio channel which is used for distress, weather updates and marine information; they will also employ an observer to monitor the safety zone throughout the exercise. The Coast Guard also states that two independent environmental consulting companies have determined that the use of live weapons on the Great Lakes will present "no elevated risk to humans or the environment". You can view maps identifying the location of the live fire safety zones: 4 zones in Lake Erie at: http://piersystem.com/go/doc/443/131148/ 3 zones in Lake Ontario at: http://piersystem.com/go/doc/443/131143/ 7 zones in Lake Superior at: http://piersystem.com/go/doc/443/131141/ 6 zones in Lake Huron at: http://piersystem.com/go/doc/443/131146/ 7 zones in upper Lake Michigan at: http://piersystem.com/go/doc/443/131144/ 7 zones in lower Lake Michigan at: http://piersystem.com/go/doc/443/131144/ There are designated firing areas on Lake Erie for pistol and rifle firing by the National Guard at Camp Perry (largest firing range in the world http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...camp-perry.htm ). The area is well marked and warnings are posted on the marine radio when live firing is being conducted. I am not aware of any problems to boaters due to the live fire activity. As the zones will be permanent I suspect that the USCG will operate with the same, if not more stringent cautions and restrictions. ;-) |
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
... Yeah, right. You are just going to put something like this on a newsgroup posting and tell everyone who disagrees with YOUR obviously superior intellect to just shut up. I imagine you can kiss a lot of people's asses. I think I trust the Coast Guard to know the Great Lakes better than I trust you. Dave Hall As I said, if you have no idea what you're talking about, be very quiet. |
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Stupidity is Contagious
On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 23:11:25 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Dave Hall" wrote in message .. . Yeah, right. You are just going to put something like this on a newsgroup posting and tell everyone who disagrees with YOUR obviously superior intellect to just shut up. I imagine you can kiss a lot of people's asses. I think I trust the Coast Guard to know the Great Lakes better than I trust you. Dave Hall As I said, if you have no idea what you're talking about, be very quiet. As I said, KMA Dave Hall |
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
news On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 23:11:25 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Dave Hall" wrote in message . .. Yeah, right. You are just going to put something like this on a newsgroup posting and tell everyone who disagrees with YOUR obviously superior intellect to just shut up. I imagine you can kiss a lot of people's asses. I think I trust the Coast Guard to know the Great Lakes better than I trust you. Dave Hall As I said, if you have no idea what you're talking about, be very quiet. As I said, KMA Dave Hall So, you're familiar with the areas around Buffalo and Rochester. I see. |
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The proposed zones
would be permanent, and at this time are proposed for use "a few times in a calendar year. with each exercise lasting approximately 4-6 hours". The Coast Guard plans to alert the public in advance of all live gunfire exercises through broadcasts on a marine band radio channel which is used for distress, weather updates and marine information; they will also employ an observer to monitor the safety zone throughout the exercise. So they're going to give us a clear definition of the areas involved and use their existing practices of notifying mariners well in advance. Sounds like a good plan. The charting companies will be able to update their materials so anyone planning a route can double-check for any planned actions. If all you want to do is whinge about gov't activities you can probably a) find better newsgroups for it and b) find something a lot more "stupid" than this otherwise reasonable sounding plan. |
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"Bill Kearney" wrote in message
t... The proposed zones would be permanent, and at this time are proposed for use "a few times in a calendar year. with each exercise lasting approximately 4-6 hours". The Coast Guard plans to alert the public in advance of all live gunfire exercises through broadcasts on a marine band radio channel which is used for distress, weather updates and marine information; they will also employ an observer to monitor the safety zone throughout the exercise. So they're going to give us a clear definition of the areas involved and use their existing practices of notifying mariners well in advance. Sounds like a good plan. The charting companies will be able to update their materials so anyone planning a route can double-check for any planned actions. If all you want to do is whinge about gov't activities you can probably a) find better newsgroups for it and b) find something a lot more "stupid" than this otherwise reasonable sounding plan. Unfortunately, the area designated near Rochester is A-1 trout fishing territory. This plan will run into trouble. As I said before, if you have no idea what you're talking about, be very quiet. |
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Unfortunately, the area designated near Rochester is A-1 trout fishing
territory. This plan will run into trouble. As I said before, if you have no idea what you're talking about, be very quiet. Given the infrenquency with which these areas are likely to get used I'd say it's hardly of any consequence. As for 'be quiet' what's your point? Shut the **** up if they don't agree with you? Go straight to hell with that nonsense. |
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"Bill Kearney" wrote in message
t... Unfortunately, the area designated near Rochester is A-1 trout fishing territory. This plan will run into trouble. As I said before, if you have no idea what you're talking about, be very quiet. Given the infrenquency with which these areas are likely to get used I'd say it's hardly of any consequence. As for 'be quiet' what's your point? Shut the **** up if they don't agree with you? Go straight to hell with that nonsense. If you haven't literally travelled the area, it's impossible for you to know anything about how the plan will impact local residents. You know that. |
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