What is the right way to refinish Teak?
 

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:51:53 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


Many full time cruisers in the tropics apply a coat of clear to all
exterior brightwork to seal the grain, and then paint over all of it
with beige Sears weatherbeater house paint. Lasts for many years with
no attention, and it can be removed when the boat gets sold.

CWM


Heh. I remember the first new car that my father bought back in the '60s.
In the fall he'd wash it, heavily wax it and leave it like that for the
winter, without buffing the wax out.

BTW ... one of our boats has no teak at all on it. We installed
"Flexiteek" in the cockpit and on the cockpit gunnels a couple of years
ago, just to break up the "whiteness" and sun glare. So far, it's held up
well and is very authentic looking.

http://www.flexiteak.com/

Eisboch

What is the right way to refinish Teak?
 

Bert Robbins wrote:

wrote:
I am refininshing a teak wood swim platform on an older boat. It is
the first time I have done this. I read that I should strip the old
varnish, sand down the gray wood, and refinish, basically. But
should I oil the teak or put more varnish on it? It is out of the
water except for a few hours a week when I am actually on the
water. Thanks for the benefit of anyone's experience.


Often.

How about something like spar urethane? I was just up to the Port
Townsend Wooden Boat Show and was looking at System 3's Spar Urethane.
They were claiming it would last about 5yrs. It's damned expensive. I
refinished the swim platform on our 28' Irwin with spar varnish (Behr,
pre Home Depot). It held up pretty well except I made the mistake of
not refinishing it immediatly after sanding so it bled oil. Now I have
to redo some spots. Jim

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What is the right way to refinish Teak?
 

"James" wrote in message
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How about something like spar urethane? I was just up to the Port
Townsend Wooden Boat Show and was looking at System 3's Spar Urethane.
They were claiming it would last about 5yrs. It's damned expensive. I
refinished the swim platform on our 28' Irwin with spar varnish (Behr,
pre Home Depot). It held up pretty well except I made the mistake of
not refinishing it immediatly after sanding so it bled oil. Now I have
to redo some spots. Jim



There's a website done by a guy that tested various varnishes, urethanes,
spar varnish and acrylics for durability and UV protection. For UV, he
determined that there was basically no difference in any of them. The worst
for durability was a varnish purchased at the Home Depot, but I've forgotten
the brand.

I looked quickly for the website but couldn't find it right away. Right now
I am shutting this 'puter down and heading for the boat.

Eisboch

What is the right way to refinish Teak?
 

Charlie Morgan wrote:


Cetol is not just orange. It has other distinctive properties. You seem VERY
ignorant on this subject.

CWM

Better by far than what you seem to be.

If you're a big Cetol fan, great. The "right way" to refinish teak has
been a subject for debate among mariners since forever- something most
boaters would know and appreciate- and adults discussing various points
of view don't call one another "ignorant" based on a difference of
preferences. If you order steak and I ordr seafood at the same
restaurant, is one of us "ignorant"?

I dislike Cetol immensely because of the orange cast it imparts to
wood. That's a subjective opinion, not a scientific treatise on the
chemical properties of the product. One is neither ignorant nor
informed based upon a personal like or dislike.

I dislike you immensely, without knowing anything else at all about
you, because you initiate dialogue with a personal attack. That's also
a subjective opinion, as well as an objective statement of an observed
fact.

What is the right way to refinish Teak?
 

Charlie Morgan wrote:


Cetol gloss is an entirely different product than Cetol Marine. Cetol
Marine breathes and is very durable. I would not characterize Cetol
Marine as a "stain", either.


You may want to take that up with Sikkens. They describe Cetol Marine
as containing
"pigments". How would you characterize a non-opaque application of
pigment via an oil or water base if not as a "stain"?

Cetol Gloss is a different product than Cetol Marine, but according to
Sikkens can only be applied over Cetol Marine. It's the optional gloss
finish for the funky orange Cetol.

Regardless, the OP was wondering about refinishing a swimstep and most
people would not recommend a glossy finish (via Cetol Gloss or varnish)
on a deck or a swim step.


To each his own. I'm willing to adust to the color and spend more time
sailing than constantly touching up varnish. Many people get fanatical
about varnish and brightwork because they don't actually like going
out and sailing as much as they would want you to believe.

Many full time cruisers in the tropics apply a coat of clear to all
exterior brightwork to seal the grain, and then paint over all of it
with beige Sears weatherbeater house paint. Lasts for many years with
no attention, and it can be removed when the boat gets sold.


ROTFLMAO

Now there's some sage advice. "Cover the teak with Sears housepaint and
remove it just prior to selling the boat." (Cruise around looking like
schidt in the meantime).

Guess that gets us right back to the original comment you thought was
so ignorant, doesn't it? "You can get the same effect from orange paint
as from Cetol"

What is the right way to refinish Teak?
 

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On 20 Sep 2006 07:59:01 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:


Charlie Morgan wrote:


Cetol is not just orange. It has other distinctive properties. You seem
VERY
ignorant on this subject.

CWM

Better by far than what you seem to be.

If you're a big Cetol fan, great. The "right way" to refinish teak has
been a subject for debate among mariners since forever- something most
boaters would know and appreciate- and adults discussing various points
of view don't call one another "ignorant" based on a difference of
preferences. If you order steak and I ordr seafood at the same
restaurant, is one of us "ignorant"?

I dislike Cetol immensely because of the orange cast it imparts to
wood. That's a subjective opinion, not a scientific treatise on the
chemical properties of the product. One is neither ignorant nor
informed based upon a personal like or dislike.

I dislike you immensely, without knowing anything else at all about
you, because you initiate dialogue with a personal attack. That's also
a subjective opinion, as well as an objective statement of an observed
fact.

No, Chuck, you made incorrect statements about Cetol and presented
them as if they were facts. If you believed what you said, then there
is no other way to describe you than as being ignorant. If you
eventually learn the truth about Cetol, then you won't be ignorant any
longer.

CWM

Ah, I see Chuck made another friend here on rec.boats. Perhaps he's due for
another self-imposed sabbatical.

What is the right way to refinish Teak?
 

NOYB wrote:
Ah, I see Chuck made another friend here on rec.boats. Perhaps he's due for
another self-imposed sabbatical.


Maybe. This time it was religion, not politics. Plus
"Charlie Morgan" (the former "Binary Bill" plus a number of
other aliases) is not really anybody's friend, anyway.

DSK

What is the right way to refinish Teak?
 

Charlie Morgan wrote:


No, Chuck, you made incorrect statements about Cetol and presented
them as if they were facts. If you believed what you said, then there
is no other way to describe you than as being ignorant. If you
eventually learn the truth about Cetol, then you won't be ignorant any
longer.

CWM

I said that Cetol looks like orange paint. Sorry, Charlie, but that
remains my opinion and it is shared by a large number of other people.
You are entitled to paint your butt, belt, or bicycle with Cetol if you
so desire. Doesn't make me ignorant if I don't paint mine as well.

What is the right way to refinish Teak?
 

Charlie Morgan wrote:
On 20 Sep 2006 08:20:40 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:


Charlie Morgan wrote:


Cetol gloss is an entirely different product than Cetol Marine. Cetol
Marine breathes and is very durable. I would not characterize Cetol
Marine as a "stain", either.


You may want to take that up with Sikkens. They describe Cetol Marine
as containing
"pigments". How would you characterize a non-opaque application of
pigment via an oil or water base if not as a "stain"?


Okay, now we've established that you don't even know the difference
between paint and stain.

CWM

Sorry, a renewed personal attack doesn't get you off the hook here.
Does your answer indicate that you feel Cetol is a "paint"?

If not, please reply directly and without digressing to personal
remarks to:

"How would you characterize a non-opaque applicatin of pigment via an
oil or water base if not as a 'stain'"?

(An additional personal remark or failure to respond at all will be
accepted as an indicator that you feel Cetol is a paint).

What is the right way to refinish Teak?
 

NOYB wrote:


Ah, I see Chuck made another friend here on rec.boats. Perhaps he's due for
another self-imposed sabbatical.

NOYB? What the heck are you doing here? This is a boating discussion
that has nothing to do with politics at all. Are you trying to develop
an interest in the subject?
If so, great!