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If Republicans lose the House, it will mean amnesty for 30,000,000 Illegals.
"MURS radios" wrote in message ups.com... The Traitorous Senate and President Bush are primed to pass an amnesty bill... the ONLY thing that has been saving US has been The House of Representatives. If the Republicans lose control of the House, it seems that there will be nothing stopping a Democrat-controlled house from quickly granting amnesty to 30,000,000 Illegal Aliens... hopefully, any such bill could be repealed, BEFORE the first illegals are granted citizenship (I think there will be a 5 year waiting period, or something like that, before they are given automatic citizenship). These small congressional elections amount to THE MOST IMPORTANT VOTES in the history of our great nation. We can NOT simply hand control of our nation over to a group of people with no respect for our nation, or laws. I could give a RAT'S ASS if the Republicans lose the Senate or the Presidency, as these seats of government are already controlled by TRAITORS... but, we can NOT afford for the republicans to lose the HOUSE! - Stewart San Diego Minuteman Agreed. Fred |
If Republicans lose the House, it will mean amnesty for 30,000,000 Illegals.
They were going to be prosecuted or arrested or something? That's like
saying I'm going to get amnesty for all the times I've gone over the speed limit on the interstate. I should care? Nothing changes for the 30 million that are already here one way or another. No bill gets passed, they are still here and go on going sending their kids to school and using social and medical services anyway. There is no solution that involves sending the 30 million back where they came from. It just ain't going to happen. There might be a solution that controls what happens from now on. fred wrote: "MURS radios" wrote in message ups.com... The Traitorous Senate and President Bush are primed to pass an amnesty bill... the ONLY thing that has been saving US has been The House of Representatives. If the Republicans lose control of the House, it seems that there will be nothing stopping a Democrat-controlled house from quickly granting amnesty to 30,000,000 Illegal Aliens... hopefully, any such bill could be repealed, BEFORE the first illegals are granted citizenship (I think there will be a 5 year waiting period, or something like that, before they are given automatic citizenship). These small congressional elections amount to THE MOST IMPORTANT VOTES in the history of our great nation. We can NOT simply hand control of our nation over to a group of people with no respect for our nation, or laws. I could give a RAT'S ASS if the Republicans lose the Senate or the Presidency, as these seats of government are already controlled by TRAITORS... but, we can NOT afford for the republicans to lose the HOUSE! - Stewart San Diego Minuteman Agreed. Fred |
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If Republicans lose the House, it will mean amnesty for 30,000,000 Illegals.
jamesgangnc wrote: They were going to be prosecuted or arrested or something? That's like saying I'm going to get amnesty for all the times I've gone over the speed limit on the interstate. I should care? Nothing changes for the 30 million that are already here one way or another. No bill gets passed, they are still here and go on going sending their kids to school and using social and medical services anyway. There is no solution that involves sending the 30 million back where they came from. It just ain't going to happen. There might be a solution that controls what happens from now on. Right now in CA the fruit crops are rotting on the trees because there isn't enough pickers. |
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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... please don't crosspost to rec.boats Apparently that privelege is reserved for you, eh? |
If Republicans lose the House, it will mean amnesty for 30,000,000 Illegals.
Alotta Fagina wrote: You wrote: jamesgangnc wrote: They were going to be prosecuted or arrested or something? That's like saying I'm going to get amnesty for all the times I've gone over the speed limit on the interstate. I should care? Nothing changes for the 30 million that are already here one way or another. No bill gets passed, they are still here and go on going sending their kids to school and using social and medical services anyway. There is no solution that involves sending the 30 million back where they came from. It just ain't going to happen. There might be a solution that controls what happens from now on. Right now in CA the fruit crops are rotting on the trees because there isn't enough pickers. Yeah, there was no California produce industry until illegals came. Idiot. Yes, you ARE an idiot! Go to: http://www.sfgate.com It's the San Francisco Chronicle website. Now, click on Day in Pictures for today, Friday 9/8/06. If you do this some other day, then just open the Day in Pictures, and click on the archives. Scroll until you find a huge pile of rotting fruit, the caption says: Wasted fruit: Tons of pears, picked past their prime, rot in a field near Lakeport, Calif. An estimated 30 percent of this year's pear crop will not be harvested because of a lack of migrant laborers. Get it? Idiot indeed! |
If Republicans lose the House, it will mean amnesty for 30,000,000 Illegals.
In article . com, basskisser wrote:
Wasted fruit: Tons of pears, picked past their prime, rot in a field near Lakeport, Calif. An estimated 30 percent of this year's pear crop will not be harvested because of a lack of migrant laborers. The jobs that even 30,000,000 illegal aliens won't do. Guess the farmers are going to have to suck it up and make some capitial equipment investment and get into the 1990s. |
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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... please don't crosspost to rec.boats Why don't you call your group what it is, rec.yachts? Talk about elitists. Thumper |
If Republicans lose the House, it will mean amnesty for 30,000,000 Illegals.
Alotta Fagina wrote: You wrote: Alotta Fagina wrote: You wrote: jamesgangnc wrote: They were going to be prosecuted or arrested or something? That's like saying I'm going to get amnesty for all the times I've gone over the speed limit on the interstate. I should care? Nothing changes for the 30 million that are already here one way or another. No bill gets passed, they are still here and go on going sending their kids to school and using social and medical services anyway. There is no solution that involves sending the 30 million back where they came from. It just ain't going to happen. There might be a solution that controls what happens from now on. Right now in CA the fruit crops are rotting on the trees because there isn't enough pickers. Yeah, there was no California produce industry until illegals came. Idiot. Yes, you ARE an idiot! Go to: http://www.sfgate.com It's the San Francisco Chronicle website. Now, click on Day in Pictures for today, Friday 9/8/06. If you do this some other day, then just open the Day in Pictures, and click on the archives. Scroll until you find a huge pile of rotting fruit, the caption says: Wasted fruit: Tons of pears, picked past their prime, rot in a field near Lakeport, Calif. An estimated 30 percent of this year's pear crop will not be harvested because of a lack of migrant laborers. Get it? Idiot indeed! They can hire someone else. After all, the Bush economy has half the country unemployed, right? Damn, you are dumber than a post, huh? They can't find the labor to pick the crops, period. Who will they hire? Idiot, indeed. You was wrong, and still are. |
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Thumper (nospam) wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... please don't crosspost to rec.boats Why don't you call your group what it is, rec.yachts? Talk about elitists. Thumper Yeah, my 18' bass boat certainly qualifies as a yacht. |
If Republicans lose the House, it will mean amnesty for 30,000,000 Illegals.
Damn, you are dumber than a post, huh? They can't find the labor to pick the crops, period. Who will they hire? Idiot, indeed. You was wrong, and still are. And you apparently miss the larger issue of wages not be adjusted to fit market demands. This whole argument about foreign workers is a smokescreen clouding the real issue of wages being far too low. The days of racing to the bottom to get illegals to do the work for next to nothing are rapidly coming to a close. Wages will have to rise and that will certainly affect market prices. But as they've been artifically low for over two decades it's coming time to see them adjust. Blame yourselves for pretending you could get everything for low prices, you can't and it's now becoming painfully clear. |
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Candace wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... please don't crosspost to rec.boats Apparently that privelege is reserved for you, eh? ?????? Some screwup from one of the other groups on the long list is dumping political crap into the rec.boats NG. When I assert the "privilege" of dumping political crap into the group you normally frequent, you will have a case. For now, you don't. |
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basskisser wrote: jamesgangnc wrote: They were going to be prosecuted or arrested or something? That's like saying I'm going to get amnesty for all the times I've gone over the speed limit on the interstate. I should care? Nothing changes for the 30 million that are already here one way or another. No bill gets passed, they are still here and go on going sending their kids to school and using social and medical services anyway. There is no solution that involves sending the 30 million back where they came from. It just ain't going to happen. There might be a solution that controls what happens from now on. Right now in CA the fruit crops are rotting on the trees because there isn't enough pickers. .. |
If Republicans lose the House, it will mean amnesty for 30,000,000 Illegals.
But that same nikon camera is $3000 in japan. So figure that one.
"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. Bill Kearney wrote: Damn, you are dumber than a post, huh? They can't find the labor to pick the crops, period. Who will they hire? Idiot, indeed. You was wrong, and still are. And you apparently miss the larger issue of wages not be adjusted to fit market demands. This whole argument about foreign workers is a smokescreen clouding the real issue of wages being far too low. The days of racing to the bottom to get illegals to do the work for next to nothing are rapidly coming to a close. Wages will have to rise and that will certainly affect market prices. But as they've been artifically low for over two decades it's coming time to see them adjust. Blame yourselves for pretending you could get everything for low prices, you can't and it's now becoming painfully clear. I think you're wrong, Bill. The Republican-Corporate plan to return American workers to serfdom is still in its initial stages. And we haven't been getting "everything" at low prices. Most of the prices middle income folks pay for what they need are artificially high. As an example, a Nikon digital camera that sells in this country for $1600 can be purchased in Thailand for $600. We're being squeezed for the last drops. And I haven't even addressed what is happening to workers at the workplace. I'm sure I won't live long enough to see it, but it would warm my cold bones if middle-class Americans revolt some time in the future and stick the heads of Republican lawmakers and judges and corporate muckity-mucks on pikes. |
If Republicans lose the House, it will mean amnesty for 30,000,000 Illegals.
"Bill Kearney" wrote in message t... Damn, you are dumber than a post, huh? They can't find the labor to pick the crops, period. Who will they hire? Idiot, indeed. You was wrong, and still are. And you apparently miss the larger issue of wages not be adjusted to fit market demands. This whole argument about foreign workers is a smokescreen clouding the real issue of wages being far too low. The days of racing to the bottom to get illegals to do the work for next to nothing are rapidly coming to a close. Wages will have to rise and that will certainly affect market prices. But as they've been artifically low for over two decades it's coming time to see them adjust. Blame yourselves for pretending you could get everything for low prices, you can't and it's now becoming painfully clear. Take this unrelated cross-posting somewhere else. As far as I can tell, it's not related to any of the NGs it's cross-posted to. |
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"basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... Thumper (nospam) wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... please don't crosspost to rec.boats Why don't you call your group what it is, rec.yachts? Talk about elitists. Thumper Yeah, my 18' bass boat certainly qualifies as a yacht. Absolutely. I used to own a land yaght. a 1993 Cadilac Sedan De Ville. but never posted to your group. Now I own another 2 wheeled land yaght. I still haven't posted to your group. That's because I don't wear a white sports jacket with ascot and navy blue slacks and captains cap. Or a blue double breasted jacket, ascot and white dress pleated wool dress pants with penny loafers and, of course, the white captains cap. That you yacht people do. |
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"basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... Thumper (nospam) wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message egroups.com... please don't crosspost to rec.boats Why don't you call your group what it is, rec.yachts? Talk about elitists. Thumper Yeah, my 18' bass boat certainly qualifies as a yacht. Absolutely. I used to own a land yaght. a 1993 Cadilac Sedan De Ville. but never posted to your group. Now I own another 2 wheeled land yaght. I still haven't posted to your group. That's because I don't wear a white sports jacket with ascot and navy blue slacks and captains cap. Or a blue double breasted jacket, ascot and white dress pleated wool dress pants with penny loafers and, of course, the white captains cap. That you yacht people do. Well, it does show the crew who's running the boat. Uniforms are very important when displaying authority...ask any military or law enforcement agency. |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... Thumper wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... Thumper (nospam) wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message legroups.com... please don't crosspost to rec.boats Why don't you call your group what it is, rec.yachts? Talk about elitists. Thumper Yeah, my 18' bass boat certainly qualifies as a yacht. Absolutely. I used to own a land yaght. a 1993 Cadilac Sedan De Ville. but never posted to your group. Now I own another 2 wheeled land yaght. I still haven't posted to your group. That's because I don't wear a white sports jacket with ascot and navy blue slacks and captains cap. Or a blue double breasted jacket, ascot and white dress pleated wool dress pants with penny loafers and, of course, the white captains cap. That you yacht people do. Well, it does show the crew who's running the boat. Uniforms are very important when displaying authority...ask any military or law enforcement agency. Especially on an 18' bass boat. (|;) Thumper |
If Republicans lose the House, it will mean amnesty for 30,000,000 Illegals.
Bill Kearney wrote: Damn, you are dumber than a post, huh? They can't find the labor to pick the crops, period. Who will they hire? Idiot, indeed. You was wrong, and still are. And you apparently miss the larger issue of wages not be adjusted to fit market demands. This whole argument about foreign workers is a smokescreen clouding the real issue of wages being far too low. The days of racing to the bottom to get illegals to do the work for next to nothing are rapidly coming to a close. Wages will have to rise and that will certainly affect market prices. But as they've been artifically low for over two decades it's coming time to see them adjust. Blame yourselves for pretending you could get everything for low prices, you can't and it's now becoming painfully clear. Smokescreen? Do you honestly think that CA farmers WANT 30% of their profit rotting on the trees???? |
If Republicans lose the House, it will mean amnesty for 30,000,000 Illegals.
Gene wrote: On 8 Sep 2006 08:54:03 -0700, "basskisser" wrote: Right now in CA the fruit crops are rotting on the trees because there isn't enough pickers. Suits me. Let ALL of it rot until the growers are willing to pay a wage that Americans can afford to work for. It is called the law of supply and demand... as long as we are playing lawfully. If you want to turn your head and pretend that only *certain* laws apply... well, you'll get what you ask for. The big fact that gets left out of this equation is that illegals receive about 5-7 times what an American would receive in wage benefits (not counting taking the extra value of their Social Security and Social Welfare out of the hands of American families) considering what they make and expect to take or send back home with exchange rates being what they are. There is absolutely NO incentive for an increase in the minimum wage as long as there is an unlimited supply of manpower willing to live like refugees and accept the bare minimum wage. If you want to consider yourself a Liberal Democrat and refuse to support the American worker.... you are neither. -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- If they pay a higher wage, either their profits are gone, or the price of goods goes up to the consumer so much that they won't buy, and again, there goes the profits. |
If Republicans lose the House, it will mean amnesty for 30,000,000 Illegals.
On 10 Sep 2006 06:19:17 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:
Bill Kearney wrote: Damn, you are dumber than a post, huh? They can't find the labor to pick the crops, period. Who will they hire? Idiot, indeed. You was wrong, and still are. And you apparently miss the larger issue of wages not be adjusted to fit market demands. This whole argument about foreign workers is a smokescreen clouding the real issue of wages being far too low. The days of racing to the bottom to get illegals to do the work for next to nothing are rapidly coming to a close. Wages will have to rise and that will certainly affect market prices. But as they've been artifically low for over two decades it's coming time to see them adjust. Blame yourselves for pretending you could get everything for low prices, you can't and it's now becoming painfully clear. Smokescreen? Do you honestly think that CA farmers WANT 30% of their profit rotting on the trees???? The bottom line is economic slavery for some more dark-skinned people. It wasn't enough that we had slavery and fought a civil war over it. Now, we're trying to do it again with a different group, and with their participation. Its way past time for this industry to automate. This means crop harvesting _machines_ doing the work. Is it more expensive than slave-labor wages? Of course! Is it the right thing to do? Absolutely. Paying people peanuts is wrong, and it doesn't matter who they are. Can't get the natives to spend all day in the hot sun stooping over and picking your tomatoes or carrots or whatever for what you want to pay them? Tough - buy a machine to do it. You can likely get 1 machine operator, who will replace dozens of manual workers, and get the harvest done. That's the way to handle this. The bottom line is no more slavery - not ball and chain slavery and not economic slavery. Slavery is always a bad idea, no matter how you try to dress it up. Dave Head |
If Republicans lose the House, it will mean amnesty for 30,000,000Illegals.
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Gene wrote: On 8 Sep 2006 08:54:03 -0700, "basskisser" wrote: Right now in CA the fruit crops are rotting on the trees because there isn't enough pickers. Suits me. Let ALL of it rot until the growers are willing to pay a wage that Americans can afford to work for. It is called the law of supply and demand... as long as we are playing lawfully. If you want to turn your head and pretend that only *certain* laws apply... well, you'll get what you ask for. The big fact that gets left out of this equation is that illegals receive about 5-7 times what an American would receive in wage benefits (not counting taking the extra value of their Social Security and Social Welfare out of the hands of American families) considering what they make and expect to take or send back home with exchange rates being what they are. There is absolutely NO incentive for an increase in the minimum wage as long as there is an unlimited supply of manpower willing to live like refugees and accept the bare minimum wage. If you want to consider yourself a Liberal Democrat and refuse to support the American worker.... you are neither. -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- If they pay a higher wage, either their profits are gone, or the price of goods goes up to the consumer so much that they won't buy, and again, there goes the profits. That's how business operates, regardless of the products. |
If Republicans lose the House, it will mean amnesty for 30,000,000Illegals.
basskisser wrote:
Bill Kearney wrote: Damn, you are dumber than a post, huh? They can't find the labor to pick the crops, period. Who will they hire? Idiot, indeed. You was wrong, and still are. And you apparently miss the larger issue of wages not be adjusted to fit market demands. This whole argument about foreign workers is a smokescreen clouding the real issue of wages being far too low. The days of racing to the bottom to get illegals to do the work for next to nothing are rapidly coming to a close. Wages will have to rise and that will certainly affect market prices. But as they've been artifically low for over two decades it's coming time to see them adjust. Blame yourselves for pretending you could get everything for low prices, you can't and it's now becoming painfully clear. Smokescreen? Do you honestly think that CA farmers WANT 30% of their profit rotting on the trees???? No, they don't. But, they have a problem that is of their own making. |
If Republicans lose the House, it will mean amnesty for 30,000,000 Illegals.
Alotta Fagina wrote: You wrote: The bottom line is economic slavery for some more dark-skinned people. Dark-skinned LAWBREAKERS, asshole. Why the **** are they subjecting themselves to "economic slavery" in the US? Because their dark-skinned amigos in Mexico give them a WORSE economy! Someone needs to blow your ****ed up moronic (Dave) head off. It's a shame that you are too stupid to post or comment or debate someone without childish name calling and petty insults. You do know that you sound like an uneducated petty street criminal, don't you? |
If Republicans lose the House, it will mean amnesty for 30,000,000Illegals.
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Alotta Fagina wrote: You wrote: The bottom line is economic slavery for some more dark-skinned people. Dark-skinned LAWBREAKERS, asshole. Why the **** are they subjecting themselves to "economic slavery" in the US? Because their dark-skinned amigos in Mexico give them a WORSE economy! Someone needs to blow your ****ed up moronic (Dave) head off. It's a shame that you are too stupid to post or comment or debate someone without childish name calling and petty insults. You do know that you sound like an uneducated petty street criminal, don't you? Have you take over the job of rec.boats Sheriff? |
If Republicans lose the House, it will mean amnesty for 30,000,000 Illegals.
On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 06:33:05 -0700, "fred" wrote:
snip Whereas if the Republicans are able to continue to control both houses and the executive, the present policy on illegals will continue in farce. Al Moore DoD 734 |
If Republicans lose the House, it will mean amnesty for 30,000,000 Illegals.
Alotta Fagina wrote: You wrote: Alotta Fagina wrote: You wrote: The bottom line is economic slavery for some more dark-skinned people. Dark-skinned LAWBREAKERS, asshole. Why the **** are they subjecting themselves to "economic slavery" in the US? Because their dark-skinned amigos in Mexico give them a WORSE economy! Someone needs to blow your ****ed up moronic (Dave) head off. It's a shame that you are too stupid to post or comment or debate someone without childish name calling and petty insults. You do know that you sound like an uneducated petty street criminal, don't you? Coming from you that's a compliment. Ummmm, okay.....if you think that's a compliment, then you are dumber than I previously thought. |
If Republicans lose the House, it will mean amnesty for 30,000,000 Illegals.
Harry Krause wrote: On 9/10/2006 7:53 PM, basskisser wrote: Alotta Fagina wrote: You wrote: Alotta Fagina wrote: You wrote: The bottom line is economic slavery for some more dark-skinned people. Dark-skinned LAWBREAKERS, asshole. Why the **** are they subjecting themselves to "economic slavery" in the US? Because their dark-skinned amigos in Mexico give them a WORSE economy! Someone needs to blow your ****ed up moronic (Dave) head off. It's a shame that you are too stupid to post or comment or debate someone without childish name calling and petty insults. You do know that you sound like an uneducated petty street criminal, don't you? Coming from you that's a compliment. Ummmm, okay.....if you think that's a compliment, then you are dumber than I previously thought. Once again, I ask you: why are you responding to an "anonymous" a'hole? Because, Harry. He himself IS also an "anonymous" a'hole. |
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If Republicans lose the House, it will mean amnesty for 30,000,000Illegals.
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You wrote: In article . com, basskisser wrote: Wasted fruit: Tons of pears, picked past their prime, rot in a field near Lakeport, Calif. An estimated 30 percent of this year's pear crop will not be harvested because of a lack of migrant laborers. The jobs that even 30,000,000 illegal aliens won't do. Guess the farmers are going to have to suck it up and make some capitial equipment investment and get into the 1990s. No, they'll get felons like Willie Nelson to cry to Congress and make everybody else bail 'em out again. And again. And again. Wait. There's a difference in trying to help small family-run farms and big corporate farms that receive the bulk of farm subsidies. It's not exactly the subsidies that are wrong, it's the administration of the programs than shaft both family farms and the American taxpayer. -- *fas-cism* (fash'iz'em) n. A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism. -- The American Heritage Dictionary "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is...I think it's also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn." ------George W. Bush to the Houston Chronicle, April 9th, 1999 |
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BrianNZ wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: please don't cross post Pot, kettle, black....? No. The fool who posted this political crap in rec.boats is not a normal participant there. When I dump political nonsense into whatever newsgroup you frequent, that will be pot/kettle.black. |
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BrianNZ wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: please don't cross post Pot, kettle, black....? No. The fool who posted this political crap in rec.boats is not a normal participant there. When I dump political nonsense into whatever newsgroup you frequent, that will be pot/kettle.black. :) Sorry....I just laugh when people cross post to tell off a crossposter......there are NO 'normal' participants here.... (rec.motorcycles) Do jetskis count as rec.boats? |
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please don't cross post Hey, guy, talk to your own posters. I did not enter any other NGs into the address; I posted here to misc.transport.trucking, and only here. And replying to you, guy, I find that I am once again "cross-posting." What's good for the goose is good for the duck: you don't want to see my postings, delete your NG from the reply-to heading if you reply to this. -- *fas-cism* (fash'iz'em) n. A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism. -- The American Heritage Dictionary "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is...I think it's also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn." ------George W. Bush to the Houston Chronicle, April 9th, 1999 |
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"BrianNZ" wrote in message ... Chuck Gould wrote: BrianNZ wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: please don't cross post Pot, kettle, black....? No. The fool who posted this political crap in rec.boats is not a normal participant there. When I dump political nonsense into whatever newsgroup you frequent, that will be pot/kettle.black. :) Sorry....I just laugh when people cross post to tell off a crossposter......there are NO 'normal' participants here.... (rec.motorcycles) Do jetskis count as rec.boats? No! |
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