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Harry Krause wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:

As a matter of absolute fact, aquaculture of lobsters in Maine and
elsewhere is a substantial and growing business. It's not a
year-round business in Maine, but there is no question that there are
lobster pens and pounds that operate similarly to cattle feedlots,
and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that someone somewhere is
"growing" lobsters from hatchlings to fingerlings to whatever the
"correct" terminology is for commerical exploitation.


This has been an interesting thread, until I read your link to
Riverview Lobster Pound I had no idea they used holding pens for lobsters
to "buy low and sell high", but since Lobsters must be kept alive, it
really does make sense. As they said on your link:

Riverview Lobster Pound was built in 1888 by Freeman Grover.
The design uses the tide to clean and refresh the holding area.
The area of this pound is two acres of surface and can accommodate
over 50,000 pounds of lobsters comfortably. The tidal lobster pound
works like a cattle feedlot. Buy low and sell high !!! In the past
120 years it has worked a few times

But this is much different than most lobsters in Maine are grown in
holding pens. They are held in the holding pens waiting for market
prices to rise. So you can understand why I was amazed when you
described your 3 week trip working with lobstermen illegally
harversting lobsters.

"My last trip to Maine, where I spent three weeks on various islands
and in the company of lobstermen. Most of them grow their lobsters
in pens, check on them daily, and harvest them when they reach legal
size or larger."

What you were describing illegal harvesting of lobsters, and I could
not believe that most of the lobsters from Maine are harvested illegally.
The lobster can not be harversted from the sea unless they are legal
size. As soon as the traps are raised, any lobsters that are not
market size are throw back into the water. The logic in this, is your
want the lobsters to reproduce where they live, not in a holding pen
or pound. Lobsters are very territorial and become cannibalistic when
held in a pen or pound, which is why they have bands on their claws.
Lobstermen can not catch them, and then place them in the pen or pound
waiting for them to become legal size.

Now you might have spent 3 weeks with lobstermen who grew illegal
caught lobsters in pens before sending them to market, but I just
didn't think it could represent the majority of Maine Lobsters sold in
the US.

I tried to find some info on agri-farming of lobsters in the US but I
too could not find any info.




Yes, Reggie, I can read web pages, too. Report back when you actually
know something first hand, eh? And have a real name.

Until then...hasta.

I think we all have learned more than we knew about Lobsters before this
thread started, isn't that what the NG is all about, learning something
new, sharing that info. If you had asked any of the Lobster men or even
the locals about the Lobster Pounds they would have told you they were
holding pens, not "growing pens". Sometimes you learn much more by
asking questions and listening. I had a college professor tell me you
never learn anything when you are talking. His point was to get us to
learn how to ask probing questions and then shut up. It is amazing how
much you can learn when you are not talking.

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Harry Krause wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

I think we all have learned more than we knew about Lobsters before
this thread started, isn't that what the NG is all about, learning
something new, sharing that info. If you had asked any of the Lobster
men or even the locals about the Lobster Pounds they would have told
you they were holding pens, not "growing pens". Sometimes you learn
much more by asking questions and listening. I had a college
professor tell me you never learn anything when you are talking. His
point was to get us to learn how to ask probing questions and then
shut up. It is amazing how much you can learn when you are not talking.


Yawn. Think this through, college graduate. You put 100 1 pound lobsters
in a pound or pen located in an enclosed area in salt water, pretty much
their natural environment. You tend the pen carefully, and you feed the
lobsters regularly. The ocean waves, currents and flow flush in fresh
water and flush out wastes and scraps.

You pull the lobsters out after X amount of time.

The lobsters now weigh:

1 pound
less than 1 pound
more than 1 pound


Now, if the lobsters you pull out weigh more than 1 pound,
did they grow?

If not, please explain the weight gain.

Thank you.

See it is amazing how much you learned from reading the web pages, that
is the same thing I learned when I read the web pages, except the pens
are used waiting for Market Pricing not waiting for the Lobsters to grow
to legal size. I really didn't know much about the Lobster Industry,
and I don't pretend to know much, but I do know they are not allowed to
harvest undersized Lobsters and keep them in "growing pens" waiting for
them to become legal size. Anyone who had seen a Lobster Man raise one
Lobster trap would have known they NEVER HOLD A LOBSTER WAITING FOR IT
TO GROW TO LEGAL SIZE. Lobster Men are smart enough to know their
industry depends upon the lobsters reproducing, they are not going to be
illegally harvesting illegal sized lobsters and "growing them in
pounds". Even if they looked at everything short sited they are not
risk the heavy fines by illegally harvesting undersized Lobsters.

As I said, since we had this discussion, you know much more about the
Lobster Industry and how Lobster Men harvest their traps and how they
utilize pounds, then you did after your 3 weeks in Maine. That is one
of the great things about NG discussions is how much one can learn from
others.

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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 03:15:14 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Maine lobsters, for example, are mostly grown in holding pens these days


Nowhere did I say that "most of Maine lobsters are grown in pens."

I'm not sure how those two statements differ.



The difference has to do with the placement of the adverb 'mostly'. Harry
did not say, "Lobsters are grown mostly in holding pens these days." The
difference is subtle, but, in Harry's defense, it does exist.
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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:11:03 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


As I said, since we had this discussion, you know much more about the
Lobster Industry and how Lobster Men harvest their traps and how they
utilize pounds, then you did after your 3 weeks in Maine. That is one
of the great things about NG discussions is how much one can learn from
others.

I disagree entirely with your interpretation here. We are not talking
about the same things. And you wonder out loud from time to time why I
think you are a flaming ass?

Do yourself a favor. Play your little games with someone else. I've been
sitting on a surprise for you for a long, long time now. "reggie."


Harry...I think it would have been easier for you to just admit you
misplaced an adverb.

This was an enlightening thread, however. Without your initial misplaced
modifier, I'd never have learned so much about the lobster business.
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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:39:52 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 03:15:14 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Maine lobsters, for example, are mostly grown in holding pens these days

Nowhere did I say that "most of Maine lobsters are grown in pens."
I'm not sure how those two statements differ.



The difference has to do with the placement of the adverb 'mostly'. Harry
did not say, "Lobsters are grown mostly in holding pens these days." The
difference is subtle, but, in Harry's defense, it does exist.
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I didn't "misplace" anything. I put the word precisely where I wanted it
to be. It isn't my problem if some readers haven't the basic skills
necessary to decode ordinary English sentence. It also is not my problem
that "reggie" is a snarky a'hole.


Some people just admit a small mistake and drive on. Others get bent out of
shape and attack the one making the correction.
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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:51:03 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:39:52 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 03:15:14 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Maine lobsters, for example, are mostly grown in holding pens these days
Nowhere did I say that "most of Maine lobsters are grown in pens."
I'm not sure how those two statements differ.


The difference has to do with the placement of the adverb 'mostly'. Harry
did not say, "Lobsters are grown mostly in holding pens these days." The
difference is subtle, but, in Harry's defense, it does exist.
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I didn't "misplace" anything. I put the word precisely where I wanted it
to be. It isn't my problem if some readers haven't the basic skills
necessary to decode ordinary English sentence. It also is not my problem
that "reggie" is a snarky a'hole.


Some people just admit a small mistake and drive on. Others get bent out of
shape and attack the one making the correction.
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Please indicate what rule stipulates word placement in the example under
discussion.

11a

"Be Sure That Adverbs Such as 'almost, even, hardly, just, merely, only,
nearly, scarcely' Refer Clearly and Logically to the Words They Modify"

Prentice Hall, "Handbook for Writers", Legget, Meade, Charvat, Englewood
Cliffs, NJ, 1974
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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:15:13 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:51:03 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:39:52 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 03:15:14 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Maine lobsters, for example, are mostly grown in holding pens these days
Nowhere did I say that "most of Maine lobsters are grown in pens."
I'm not sure how those two statements differ.


The difference has to do with the placement of the adverb 'mostly'. Harry
did not say, "Lobsters are grown mostly in holding pens these days." The
difference is subtle, but, in Harry's defense, it does exist.
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John
I didn't "misplace" anything. I put the word precisely where I wanted it
to be. It isn't my problem if some readers haven't the basic skills
necessary to decode ordinary English sentence. It also is not my problem
that "reggie" is a snarky a'hole.

Some people just admit a small mistake and drive on. Others get bent out of
shape and attack the one making the correction.
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John
Please indicate what rule stipulates word placement in the example under
discussion.

11a

"Be Sure That Adverbs Such as 'almost, even, hardly, just, merely, only,
nearly, scarcely' Refer Clearly and Logically to the Words They Modify"

Prentice Hall, "Handbook for Writers", Legget, Meade, Charvat, Englewood
Cliffs, NJ, 1974
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That's your cite for a rule? It's a good thing you teach math.

I guess you're well above the Prentice Hall handbook.
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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:29:56 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:15:13 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:51:03 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:39:52 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 03:15:14 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Maine lobsters, for example, are mostly grown in holding pens these days
Nowhere did I say that "most of Maine lobsters are grown in pens."
I'm not sure how those two statements differ.


The difference has to do with the placement of the adverb 'mostly'. Harry
did not say, "Lobsters are grown mostly in holding pens these days." The
difference is subtle, but, in Harry's defense, it does exist.
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John
I didn't "misplace" anything. I put the word precisely where I wanted it
to be. It isn't my problem if some readers haven't the basic skills
necessary to decode ordinary English sentence. It also is not my problem
that "reggie" is a snarky a'hole.

Some people just admit a small mistake and drive on. Others get bent out of
shape and attack the one making the correction.
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John
Please indicate what rule stipulates word placement in the example under
discussion.
11a

"Be Sure That Adverbs Such as 'almost, even, hardly, just, merely, only,
nearly, scarcely' Refer Clearly and Logically to the Words They Modify"

Prentice Hall, "Handbook for Writers", Legget, Meade, Charvat, Englewood
Cliffs, NJ, 1974
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John

That's your cite for a rule? It's a good thing you teach math.

I guess you're well above the Prentice Hall handbook.
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You see, John? Those who are sloppy with language...

I asked you for a rule. You responded with a "Be sure..."

That's not a rule.

Like I say, you know better than the Prentice-Hall folks. All I did was
give you the rule. If you don't like the format, you could substitute "Thou
Shalt" for "Be Sure".

BTW, Nikon is putting on a class for the D200 on October 7th. It will cover
more advanced Nikon camera operations along with the basics of the D200
system. This would be a good way to enhance your photo knowledge from a
Nikon expert.
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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:03:04 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:29:56 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:15:13 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:51:03 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:39:52 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 03:15:14 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Maine lobsters, for example, are mostly grown in holding pens these days
Nowhere did I say that "most of Maine lobsters are grown in pens."
I'm not sure how those two statements differ.


The difference has to do with the placement of the adverb 'mostly'. Harry
did not say, "Lobsters are grown mostly in holding pens these days." The
difference is subtle, but, in Harry's defense, it does exist.
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John
I didn't "misplace" anything. I put the word precisely where I wanted it
to be. It isn't my problem if some readers haven't the basic skills
necessary to decode ordinary English sentence. It also is not my problem
that "reggie" is a snarky a'hole.

Some people just admit a small mistake and drive on. Others get bent out of
shape and attack the one making the correction.
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John
Please indicate what rule stipulates word placement in the example under
discussion.
11a

"Be Sure That Adverbs Such as 'almost, even, hardly, just, merely, only,
nearly, scarcely' Refer Clearly and Logically to the Words They Modify"

Prentice Hall, "Handbook for Writers", Legget, Meade, Charvat, Englewood
Cliffs, NJ, 1974
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John
That's your cite for a rule? It's a good thing you teach math.
I guess you're well above the Prentice Hall handbook.
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John

You see, John? Those who are sloppy with language...

I asked you for a rule. You responded with a "Be sure..."

That's not a rule.

Like I say, you know better than the Prentice-Hall folks. All I did was
give you the rule. If you don't like the format, you could substitute "Thou
Shalt" for "Be Sure".


John: It's not a matter of knowing better than the Prentice-Hall folks.
What you quoted is NOT a rule.

*This* is a rule of English:

"Words such as concerned, located, situated, married, divorced, allowed,
permitted and other forms of adjectives must have a verb-to-BE
connecting them to their subjects." (Abd that form of the verb *to be*
can be implied.}

Do you see the difference between "be sure" and "must have"? The latter
is a rule.



BTW, Nikon is putting on a class for the D200 on October 7th. It will cover
more advanced Nikon camera operations along with the basics of the D200
system. This would be a good way to enhance your photo knowledge from a
Nikon expert.


Well, John, take lots of notes and be sure to share them with "reggie."

I gave you a rule for adverbs, not adjectives. Perhaps that is where your
misunderstanding is taking place.

Actually, I was hoping you might be going to the Nikon presentation and
would give me some pointers on how better to use the D200. Reggie and Russ
both seem to know much more than either of us already.
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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 15:16:41 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:


Actually, I was hoping you might be going to the Nikon presentation and
would give me some pointers on how better to use the D200. Reggie and Russ
both seem to know much more than either of us already.


The only things "reggie" seems to know are the opinions of others he
clips and reposts here. Russ who?

The guy who keeps coming up with the correct information on the pictures
you post.
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