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" JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:


But thanks to the excessive catches by commercial fisherman on Lake Erie
walleye and yellow perch may also soon face the same fate, this time not
to
pollution, although we are seeing new water quality problems on the Lake
that we did not see in past decades.


Excessive catches by commercial fishermen are hurting sportfishing almost
everywhere along the US east, west, and gulf coasts, but I had no idea it
was a problem in the inland lakes, too.

A big part of the problem for us: the foreign fishing fleets with their
gargantuan ships that literally suck all the fish out of certain sections
of the ocean. Overfishing is a real problem, and I have no idea what the
answers might be.

Commercial fishing in the US waters of Lake Erie results in the catch of
9.5 million pounds of yellow perch annually. Commercial fishing for
walleye in US waters is banned. There were a series of indictments
against commercial fishing companies for their under reporting catches of
yellow perch from 2001 to 2003 by over 100 million pounds.

Holy smokes. In a three year period where they were permitted to take just
under 30 million pounds, they under-reported by 100 million pounds? That
means they exceeded their limit by more than 300%?

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Maine lobsters, for example, are mostly grown in holding pens these days


Nowhere did I say that "most of Maine lobsters are grown in pens."

I'm not sure how those two statements differ.

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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Maine lobsters, for example, are mostly grown in holding pens these days


Nowhere did I say that "most of Maine lobsters are grown in pens."

I'm not sure how those two statements differ.



It looks very similar to me.

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On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 21:58:12 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

If there's a tougher way for a small businessman to make an everyday
living, I'm not aware of it. Working on these small lobsterboats is
brutal, backbreaking, dangerous and not really renumerative.

That's contrary to what we've been told in Maine. Just from our
observation, many of them are driving new heavy duty trucks, and party
hearty on week ends. Not saying it's an easy job, but it does look
rewarding for those who work at it. And I don't think you could pay
them enough to take an office job.

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On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 22:15:15 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Here is a webpage that shows a Maine lobster pen and pound that has been
operating for more than 100 years.

http://www.riverviewlobsterpoundcott...gmainelob.html

My understanding, perhaps incorrect, is that lobster pounds in Maine
are used for holding lobster that are caught by conventional means,
until ready for market. Sometimes that means waiting for better
seasonal pricing.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 22:15:15 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Here is a webpage that shows a Maine lobster pen and pound that has been
operating for more than 100 years.

http://www.riverviewlobsterpoundcott...gmainelob.html

My understanding, perhaps incorrect, is that lobster pounds in Maine
are used for holding lobster that are caught by conventional means,
until ready for market. Sometimes that means waiting for better
seasonal pricing.


The lobster pound in the link Harry provided is exactly that, as they
say on the web page it allows them to "buy low and sell high".

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Harry Krause wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 10:23:31 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Maine lobsters, for example, are mostly grown in holding pens
these days
Are you sure about that? References?

My last trip to Maine, where I spent three weeks on various islands
and in the company of lobstermen. Most of them grow their lobsters
in pens, check on them daily, and harvest them when they reach
legal size or larger.

Note that there are many lobstermen who still use individual pots.
Harry,

I was surprised to learn that most of Maine Lobsters are grown in
pens, are you basing this on anything more than your last trip to
Maine?


Try reading for content, numnutz. Most of the lobstermen with whom I
visited grow lobsters in pens. Nowhere did I say that "most of Maine
lobsters are grown in pens." These same lobstermen, many of them,
also use traditional pots.

These pens, by the way, are not on land. They're off the shore a
ways, perhaps a mile, typically in coves around the islands. Some of
them are run as cooperatives.


wrote:

Maine lobsters, for example, are mostly grown in holding pens
these
days

Harry why the anger? When I read the above, I thought you wrote that
statement, and it sounded a little far fetched. If you did write that
statement, doesn't it say Maine lobsters are mostly grown in holding
pens these days?






"Reggie," there isn't anything you post here that interests me.
Play your d.f. games with someone else, ok?

I'll be glad to consider taking you seriously when you have a real
identity here.

Good night.

Harry, didn't your mother tell you that telling lies is a like spiraling
down a pit with no ladder to get you out.

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Harry Krause wrote:
John Wentworth wrote:
Harry, I'm done with this. Every six months or so I disable my
killfile to see just what BS you're throwing at the moment.

A. You're not done.
B. You're lying.
C. It doesn't matter what you do, here or elsewhere.
D. You remind me of a little boy with a peashooter who, after firing off
a shot, shoves the tube down his pants pocket and says, "Who, me?"
and then runs and hides.

Harry, you can keep denying that you didn't know what you were talking
about or you can continue to try and deflect all criticism and proof
that you were wrong again. Either way you go you have still stepped into
a pile of crap and refuse to believe that you stink.

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"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

" JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message
. ..

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:


But thanks to the excessive catches by commercial fisherman on Lake
Erie
walleye and yellow perch may also soon face the same fate, this time
not to
pollution, although we are seeing new water quality problems on the
Lake
that we did not see in past decades.


Excessive catches by commercial fishermen are hurting sportfishing
almost everywhere along the US east, west, and gulf coasts, but I had no
idea it was a problem in the inland lakes, too.

A big part of the problem for us: the foreign fishing fleets with their
gargantuan ships that literally suck all the fish out of certain
sections of the ocean. Overfishing is a real problem, and I have no idea
what the answers might be.

Commercial fishing in the US waters of Lake Erie results in the catch of
9.5 million pounds of yellow perch annually. Commercial fishing for
walleye in US waters is banned. There were a series of indictments
against commercial fishing companies for their under reporting catches of
yellow perch from 2001 to 2003 by over 100 million pounds.

Holy smokes. In a three year period where they were permitted to take
just under 30 million pounds, they under-reported by 100 million pounds?
That means they exceeded their limit by more than 300%?




Yep. The estimates ranged from 70 million to 150 million. I chose
something in between.

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Harry Krause wrote:


As a matter of absolute fact, aquaculture of lobsters in Maine and
elsewhere is a substantial and growing business. It's not a year-round
business in Maine, but there is no question that there are lobster pens
and pounds that operate similarly to cattle feedlots, and it wouldn't
surprise me to learn that someone somewhere is "growing" lobsters from
hatchlings to fingerlings to whatever the "correct" terminology is for
commerical exploitation.


This has been an interesting thread, until I read your link to Riverview
Lobster Pound I had no idea they used holding pens for lobsters
to "buy low and sell high", but since Lobsters must be kept alive, it
really does make sense. As they said on your link:

Riverview Lobster Pound was built in 1888 by Freeman Grover.
The design uses the tide to clean and refresh the holding area.
The area of this pound is two acres of surface and can accommodate
over 50,000 pounds of lobsters comfortably. The tidal lobster pound
works like a cattle feedlot. Buy low and sell high !!! In the past
120 years it has worked a few times

But this is much different than most lobsters in Maine are grown in
holding pens. They are held in the holding pens waiting for market
prices to rise. So you can understand why I was amazed when you
described your 3 week trip working with lobstermen illegally harversting
lobsters.

"My last trip to Maine, where I spent three weeks on various islands
and in the company of lobstermen. Most of them grow their lobsters
in pens, check on them daily, and harvest them when they reach legal
size or larger."

What you were describing illegal harvesting of lobsters, and I could not
believe that most of the lobsters from Maine are harvested illegally.
The lobster can not be harversted from the sea unless they are legal
size. As soon as the traps are raised, any lobsters that are not market
size are throw back into the water. The logic in this, is your want the
lobsters to reproduce where they live, not in a holding pen or pound.
Lobsters are very territorial and become cannibalistic when held in a
pen or pound, which is why they have bands on their claws. Lobstermen
can not catch them, and then place them in the pen or pound waiting for
them to become legal size.

Now you might have spent 3 weeks with lobstermen who grew illegal caught
lobsters in pens before sending them to market, but I just didn't think
it could represent the majority of Maine Lobsters sold in the US.

I tried to find some info on agri-farming of lobsters in the US but I
too could not find any info.