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I need a sea kayak paddle
Andrew wrote:
You use a 220 cm paddle for whitewater kayaking? Most people use much shorter paddles, if I'm not mistaken. I have a 198 cm paddle for WW. Inflatable kayaking. Here I am at Carson Falls on the Kern. Unless you've run this in your hardshell, please don't call my boat a ducky! http://cacreeks.com/carsonFalls.jpg That is the aforementioned Carlisle RS Magic 220cm, by the way. I prefer the Werner Powerhouse and Lightning Freeride because they (magically) don't drip down the shaft on my hands, but for rock-bashing whitewater voyages, a $70 paddle is appealing. |
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I need a sea kayak paddle
I remember when I started kayaking whitewater I paddled with a 206cm, 90
degree paddle and I'm 5'6". That was the norm then but that was also a long time ago. When I got big into playboating my paddles got shorter and shorter and my feather went down. I now paddle with a 191cm, 30 degree. For me the shorter the better but I can understand others liking the longer paddles too. It's funny though to see someone that's tall paddling with a really short paddle. Usually their hands are right at the blade. I don't see how they do it. Courtney Andrew, Bill paddles inflatables, which make a longer paddle not such a bad idea. I'm too old-school and too tall (6'8"/201.5cm) to bother trying out a shorter paddle. Right now I'm using a 206cm, and I can cartwheel quite well with it without the length feeling like it gets in my way. Wilko |
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I need a sea kayak paddle
Bill Tuthill wrote in :
jughead wrote: So far I have used a NRS PT paddle, Aqua-Bound paddle (I think Manta). I'm looking to get either a aluminum shaft Aqua-bound Manta Ray, or a Werner Skagit paddle. I liked the Mantra Ray. Never tried a Werner but lots of people swear by them. I definitly want to get something with a Asymmetrical blade. I'm 6-3 240 pounds. Werner paddles are great! I own one and used to own several more until friends lost them. Lightning paddles are also worth investigating: http://paddles.com is their website. More color choices than Werner. I've had a Lightning Std. touring paddled for about 8 years and love it. I bought used (along with a Werner Camano) for $200 and definately got my money worth out it. I sold the Camano several years ago and since I just sold my CLC Northbay I just ordered a Werner Cyprus. However I see that Cascade Outfitters 800-223-7238 is now selling the Carlisle Simply Magic paddle, made in New Zealand, for under $70. You can choose 220, 230, and 240 cm length. I have one of these (I use it for whitewater kayaking) and it is a very good paddle, even for a price higher than that. Fiberglass shaft, plastic blade. I've heard good things about the Carlisle Simply Magic paddle before and that it's one of the best paddles out there for under $100. Some might consider it the only paddle worth buying for under $100. |
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I need a sea kayak paddle
"jughead" wrote in
oups.com: Thanks for the tip on the Carlisle paddle. Courtney I have a Wilderness Systems Tsunami 145 which is around 24.5 inches wide. I use the kayak for exercise and planning on some ocean trips and camping trips. I think I am steering to a more low angle paddle. I'm also looking at the Aqua-Bound EagleRay or StingRay which is a narrower blade but longer. The guy at REI said I should get a 240. The eagle and sting ray Aqua Bound have long blades so maybe a 230? I could always return it if it doesn't work out. That is what is good about REI. Did you get any indication regarding whether the guy at REI has actually ever paddled a kayak? While outdoor retail chain stores might have good return policies when buying paddling gear you're not necessarily going to be talking to someone that has spent much time paddling, but more likely someone that has gone through their corporate "how to sell paddling equipment" training. At a dedicated paddling shop you'll more likely deal with someone that is first, a paddler, and second and owner or employee at the shop. You'll likely find the same return policies, be able to demo different paddles *before* buying them (some may charge a rental fee that will be deducted from the purchase price), and may even have *used* paddles for sale. Makes sense to get a paddle with pure fiber glass blades. I hear the Cameno is good but pretty expensive. It's not really that expensive when compared to other paddles with fiberglass shafts and blades. If you just look at the quality of construction it should be fairly obvious why Werner is a popular choice. If I get a paddle with a more low angle style (Longer but narrower blade) will I still be able to get a good exceleration out of it to go against currents and stuff? Sure. You likely wouldn't be able to tell much of a difference. As you gain more experience and a more efficient stroke the differences will become moe apparent. |
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I need a sea kayak paddle
Andrew wrote:
The only thing I've seen advertised before is the length of the entire paddle. However, I saw someone (maybe on here?) say that they had an xxx 145. It would make sense that the shaft length is 145 cm. Lendal is one of the few companies that emphasizes determining paddle size by considering shaft size separately. They sell shafts by length and stiffness and then add the blades. However, retailers usually take the Lendal paddles and add a sticker stating overall length. It really makes no sense to talk about overall length unless you are comparing two paddles with the same blade length. If you compare a long-bladed paddle to a short-bladed paddle, having the same overall length means you're comparing apples and oranges. Mike |
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Good point Mike. If he decided to get a low angle paddle then it'll likely
be on the longer side. If it's high angle then shorter would be better. Courtney "Michael Daly" wrote in message ... Andrew wrote: The only thing I've seen advertised before is the length of the entire paddle. However, I saw someone (maybe on here?) say that they had an xxx 145. It would make sense that the shaft length is 145 cm. Lendal is one of the few companies that emphasizes determining paddle size by considering shaft size separately. They sell shafts by length and stiffness and then add the blades. However, retailers usually take the Lendal paddles and add a sticker stating overall length. It really makes no sense to talk about overall length unless you are comparing two paddles with the same blade length. If you compare a long-bladed paddle to a short-bladed paddle, having the same overall length means you're comparing apples and oranges. Mike |
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I need a sea kayak paddle
One of my local shops rents out demo paddles so I tried a Werner Cameno
with the bent saft. 220cm. Nice paddle but on the short side for me. Ended up getting a Aqua-bound Eagle Ray full carbon. Trying it out today. Courtney wrote: Good point Mike. If he decided to get a low angle paddle then it'll likely be on the longer side. If it's high angle then shorter would be better. Courtney "Michael Daly" wrote in message ... Andrew wrote: The only thing I've seen advertised before is the length of the entire paddle. However, I saw someone (maybe on here?) say that they had an xxx 145. It would make sense that the shaft length is 145 cm. Lendal is one of the few companies that emphasizes determining paddle size by considering shaft size separately. They sell shafts by length and stiffness and then add the blades. However, retailers usually take the Lendal paddles and add a sticker stating overall length. It really makes no sense to talk about overall length unless you are comparing two paddles with the same blade length. If you compare a long-bladed paddle to a short-bladed paddle, having the same overall length means you're comparing apples and oranges. Mike |
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I need a sea kayak paddle
"jughead" wrote in
oups.com: One of my local shops rents out demo paddles so I tried a Werner Cameno with the bent saft. 220cm. Nice paddle but on the short side for me. Ended up getting a Aqua-bound Eagle Ray full carbon. Trying it out today. That looks like a nice paddle. The blades looks very much like a Camano. What did you think of the bent shaft. I just ordered a Werner Cyprus (carbon fiber, foam core medium sized high angle blade) with a straight shaft from our local shop (owned by a very good friend of mine). Ever since Werner came out with their natural bent shaft a couple of years ago that's about all he stocks in the carbon fiber paddles. I've paddled with most of the different models with a bent shaft and just don't care for them much. |
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I definitly liked the straight shaft alot better. I'm glad I got the
Aqua-bound Eagle Ray. Very light and I could still get very good power out of it. Glad I didn't skimp on a cheap paddle. Mike John Fereira wrote: "jughead" wrote in oups.com: One of my local shops rents out demo paddles so I tried a Werner Cameno with the bent saft. 220cm. Nice paddle but on the short side for me. Ended up getting a Aqua-bound Eagle Ray full carbon. Trying it out today. That looks like a nice paddle. The blades looks very much like a Camano. What did you think of the bent shaft. I just ordered a Werner Cyprus (carbon fiber, foam core medium sized high angle blade) with a straight shaft from our local shop (owned by a very good friend of mine). Ever since Werner came out with their natural bent shaft a couple of years ago that's about all he stocks in the carbon fiber paddles. I've paddled with most of the different models with a bent shaft and just don't care for them much. |
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I need a sea kayak paddle
"jughead" wrote in
ups.com: I definitly liked the straight shaft alot better. I'm glad I got the Aqua-bound Eagle Ray. Very light and I could still get very good power out of it. Glad I didn't skimp on a cheap paddle. I don't think I've ever seen anyone complain choosing a better, more expensive paddle than a cheap one. Over the years that this group has been "in business" there have been lots of people coming here asking for reccommendations on a paddle and the advice has always been not to scrimp on buying a paddle and there is a good reason for that. That said, I don't believe that a $400 super light carbon fiber paddle is for everyone. While many of the experience paddlers here would hardly blink about spending that kind of money on equipment for their passion, that's a significant commitment for someone just entering the sport and still not sure how into the sport they're going to get. My Werner Cyprus arrived yesterday and I can't wait to get out and try it. I paddled for nearly 10 years with a fiberglass paddle and it has served me very well. It was really about time I splurged on a top-of-the-line paddle. |
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