JohnH wrote:
On 19 Aug 2006 08:44:21 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Here's the result of my workday on Friday. :-)

Warning; the following material describes a new boat being offered for
sale, so anybody easily offended by mentions of specific brand names,
etc, in the group is invited to click to the next thread. Thanks.



Split Personality


We spent a glorious August morning out on Lake Union and Lake
Washington in Crownline's largest boat, the new 2007 315 SCR Sport
Cruiser. Crownline continues to pleasantly surprise the boating
industry, and it looks like the company has done it yet again. We had
to conclude that Crownline has discovered the secret of putting two
entirely different boats onto the same physical keel. The 315 SCR
manages to be a well-appointed express cruiser large enough to sleep
4-6 (and "party" several more) in memorable comfort and luxury.
It's also a "Yeehaw!" speedboat that handles incredibly well and
will reach speeds of over 50 mph with a pair of relatively economical
small block V-8's.


Nice write up, Chuck. It's definitely not a fishing boat, but looks like it
could be a fun, albeit expensive, family/party boat. The pictures at:

http://www.crownline.com/models/mode...?model=315_scr

add a little more detail. I especially like ....the
upholstery design.....

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White and fluffy. Why am I not surprised?

JohnH wrote:
On 19 Aug 2006 08:44:21 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Here's the result of my workday on Friday. :-)

Warning; the following material describes a new boat being offered for
sale, so anybody easily offended by mentions of specific brand names,
etc, in the group is invited to click to the next thread. Thanks.



Split Personality


We spent a glorious August morning out on Lake Union and Lake
Washington in Crownline's largest boat, the new 2007 315 SCR Sport
Cruiser. Crownline continues to pleasantly surprise the boating
industry, and it looks like the company has done it yet again. We had
to conclude that Crownline has discovered the secret of putting two
entirely different boats onto the same physical keel. The 315 SCR
manages to be a well-appointed express cruiser large enough to sleep
4-6 (and "party" several more) in memorable comfort and luxury.
It's also a "Yeehaw!" speedboat that handles incredibly well and
will reach speeds of over 50 mph with a pair of relatively economical
small block V-8's.


Nice write up, Chuck. It's definitely not a fishing boat, but looks like it
could be a fun, albeit expensive, family/party boat. The pictures at:

http://www.crownline.com/models/mode...?model=315_scr

add a little more detail. I especially like the layout of the cockpit, the
upholstery design, and the radar arch mounting. Thanks for the info!


Damn it, John you know good and well that JimH knows everything about
boat design, up and coming trends in boat design, and will never be a
forward thinking type of guy. He's the kind of person that would say
things like a row worked for me, why would anybody want a motor on a
boat~!!!!

There's no such thing as a "perfect" boat, or any other thing, for that
matter. This is fodder for the vulnerable newbie first time buyer who
thinks in emotional terms and has expectations centered on wistful
thinking. This term should have been omitted entirely from your review.
Also, agree with JimH's observations. The cockpit looks extremely
cramped for a 31'-er.
I always like the'pull-up-to-the-beach-and-ground-it-for-a-piki-nicky
type shots. Looks like a salvage job to me...
JR

Chuck Gould wrote:
Here's the result of my workday on Friday. :-)

Warning; the following material describes a new boat being offered for
sale, so anybody easily offended by mentions of specific brand names,
etc, in the group is invited to click to the next thread. Thanks.



Split Personality


We spent a glorious August morning out on Lake Union and Lake
Washington in Crownline's largest boat, the new 2007 315 SCR Sport
Cruiser. Crownline continues to pleasantly surprise the boating
industry, and it looks like the company has done it yet again. We had
to conclude that Crownline has discovered the secret of putting two
entirely different boats onto the same physical keel. The 315 SCR
manages to be a well-appointed express cruiser large enough to sleep
4-6 (and "party" several more) in memorable comfort and luxury.
It's also a "Yeehaw!" speedboat that handles incredibly well and
will reach speeds of over 50 mph with a pair of relatively economical
small block V-8's.

Like all Crownline boats, the 315 SCR is impressively styled and
carefully assembled.
Crownline marked its 15th anniversary in 2006, and shipped the 50,000th
Crownline boat last April. Examining a bit of the Crownline boat
building process helps one appreciate why this independent, family
owned company is getting such rave reviews from satisfied owners and is
now considered fully competitive with some of the most elite names in
the industry.

Crownline believes that a perfect fiberglass boat begins with a perfect
wooden plug. Many manufacturers have switched to more cheaply and
quickly turned out foam plugs, but Crownline continues to use wood. The
plugs are covered with tooling gel and polished to a mirror finish
before being used to create a master mold.

It isn't at all uncommon to drive by a boat factory and see molds
sitting out in the weather. Crownline molds are stored indoors, in a
climate-controlled "mold maintenance" facility. Each mold
represents an enormous investment in engineering and design, and no
boat builder can produce a fiberglass hull that is more accurate than
the originating mold. Crownline molds are pampered like thoroughbred
racehorses, with each mold frequently stripped and rewaxed between
uses.

Crownline is known for sporting a strong "Wow!" factor. The smooth
exterior finishes and eye-popping color schemes result from some
deliberate choices and practices in the finish booth. Cook's gelcoat
is used for the basic color, and Armorcoat (tm) for accent colors. Each
color of gelcoat is applied through its own dedicated spray gun to
assure color integrity. Many boat builders apply gelcoat 20-25 mil
thick, and this will "dry down" to 15-17 mils. Crownline uses 25-30
mil applications of gelcoat that dry down to 22 mils. All hulls are
allowed a minimum of 60 minutes "set-up" time before the lamination
process begins, and some receive several hours. Many manufacturers
would take the "time is money" approach and not allow the gelcoat
as much time to stabilize prior to lamination.

When lamination begins, Crownline begins with a vinylester barrier
coat, which is applied and allowed to cure for 30 minutes. The
vinylester is followed by 100 mils of hand rolled fiberglass and a
sprayed on core, with 45 minutes cure time allowed before the bulk of
the hull is laid in.

Crownline utilizes a pre-assembled wood grid stringer system, crafted
to micro tolerances and completely encapsulated in hand-rolled
fiberglass. Crownline prefers to use wooden stringers rather than
fiberglass based on its research showing that wood provides the best
combination of rigidity and flexibility, and avoids an overly stiff
hull bottom that could ride more noisily and/or create unneeded stress
on joints that could lead to future cracking. The XL treated wood
members have a lifetime warranty against rot. Once the stringers are in
place, Crownline installs a complete, one-piece, molded fiberglass
inner liner to create the floor of the boat (including the lockers and
bilge).

While it is typical practice for a boat builder to install the engine
in a boat and then ship the outdrive to the dealer in a separate box,
Crownline boats leave the factory with engines installed and fully
aligned, as well as with the outdrive installed. This allows Crownline
to be certain that this critical portion of the assembly process will
be completed by a certified and competent technician, rather than a
possibly under-qualified worker at an individual dealer's rigging
shop.

All carpeting, upholstery, and canvas used on a Crownline are top
quality. Fittings are sturdy and stainless. It would be a shame to
finish out such a carefully constructed hull with anything that was in
any way substandard, and Crownline carries its commitment to quality
through to the smallest details.


General Description and Layout:

Rick English of Sport Boat Northwest was our host for the morning, and
his genuine enthusiasm for the 315 SCR was evident as he showed us
through the vessel. We began by checking out the large locker under the
sunpad, located immediately forward of the integral swim platform. The
locker cover, with the added weight of the sunpad upholstery, was held
easily in place by two stainless steel (not plastic) struts. "You
could put all of your fenders in here," remarked Rick, "or if you
were a diver you could store tanks back here. There is a drain plug in
the bottom of the locker, so it could even be filled with ice to keep
beverages cold or just a general purpose ice chest." We noted the
stereo radio controls on the port side of the boat and Rick commented,
"We set this boat up so that this large, open area around the sunpad
can be a social center when anchored out." The portable cockpit table
and leg are stowed under the locker cover, but the storage area is so
large that they seem to almost take up no room at all.

We noticed three shorepower fittings recessed into the port gunwale aft
of the port side transom door. When we commented that we thought that
was a lot of shorepower for a
32-foot boat, we learned that the Sport Cruiser 315 SCR in stock at
Sport Boat Northwest is equipped with an optional 110-volt heating and
air conditioning system! To keep power available when the boat is
underway; Crownline included a 7.3 kW generator.
Rick activated a switch at the helm and energized the hydraulic ram
that raised the aft section of the cockpit to expose the engine
compartment. Our test boat was fit with a pair of Mercruiser 350 MPI
Horizon Bravo III's. This pair of engines is rated at 600 HP, and
larger engines are available. Choosing either the optional 8.1L Volvo
GXI Duo-prop or the optional Mercruiser 496 Magnum would make a total
of 750 HP available, (but based on the results we were about to achieve
with the 350's, I can't personally imagine what one would do with
another 150 HP). Diesel engine enthusiasts can order a new 315 SCR with
4.2L Mercruiser D-Tronic engines.

Additional cockpit seating consists of a forward-facing settee at the
front of the engine cowl and sunpad, an aft facing settee immediately
abaft the double pilot seat, and a lounge seat in the port forequarter
of the cockpit. Stowage lockers similar to the area under the sunpad
can be found under the forward and aft facing settees. There are
swing-away transom doors to both port and starboard, and a jump seat as
well as the portable cockpit table can be set in place just inside the
starboard transom door to create additional options when entertaining.

A beverage bar with sink is situated just forward of the port transom
door. The faucet is cleverly designed to fold into the sink, which can
then be covered with a Karadon (tm) plug to create a larger countertop
area when the sink is not needed. Like most boat builders, Crownline
includes a series of carefully placed beverage holders throughout the
cockpit. Unlike most builders, Crownline's beverage holders are
stainless steel, not plastic.

The ergonomically designed helm features two full sets of analog gauges
set into a sweeping console. Controls are all well marked and easily
reached, and there is a thoughtful armrest just aft of the pair of
single lever engine controls. Rick pointed out that the test boat was
equipped with the optional wooden steering wheel.

The foredeck is easily accessed from the cockpit by closing the
companionway door to the areas below deck. The door has a set of steps
molded onto the cockpit side, and the center portion of the stainless
steel windshield swings away to provide a safe, step-through route to
the foredeck. The foredeck has a sporty, low profile stainless safety
rail and one of the "grippiest" non-skid surfaces anyone could ever
hope to find.

We checked out the interior before getting underway. "There's a
full six feet of headroom in the head and in the cabin areas where you
would stand up rather than sit around the table," remarked Rick. He
was absolutely right, as my 5'11" frame had a little breathing room
below the headliner. The galley is separated into two work areas aft of
a large table in the forward portion of the cabin. "Having two galley
areas is a wonderful idea," observed Rick. "A lot of times when you
are entertaining aboard, one of the guests will almost insist on
helping prepare the food or beverages and if there's only one work
area people start to get into the way. Having two separated work
stations allows two people to help prepare a meal or a snack."

The main seating area around the table in the main cabin will
accommodate 6-8 people without crowding, and there is an optional flat
screen color TV on the forward bulkhead for entertainment. The table
area knocks down quickly to create a sleeping area, but if there is
only one couple spending the night aboard there is no need to touch it
at all. A huge "midcabin" berth with a privacy curtain is entered
just aft of the port side galley area, creating a cozy and comfortable
nocturnal retreat.

A fully appointed head is situated in the aft starboard quarter of the
main cabin.

Our test boat was equipped with a radar arch, and a full canvas
enclosure that, (combined with the heat and AC system), makes the
Crownline 315 SCR an "all-weather" boat here in the Pacific NW. We
ran with just the "bimini" portions of the top in place, and
managed to look stylish while protecting the upholstery (as well as a
magazine writer's bald spot) from the August sunshine.

Underway:

The Crownline 315 SCR idled patiently through the 7-knot speed zones on
Lake Union, Portage Bay, and the Montlake Reach. When we reached
Webster Point, Rick told me it was OK to open her up, and we
immediately unleashed a zephyr.

Crownline uses a proprietary F.A.S.Tab. (tm) (Crownline defines it
differently, but the initials could easily stand for "Fun And
Safe") hull architecture with a patented design for its strakes and
vented chine. The company insists that the hull design helps Crownline
get onto plane more efficiently and handle better in the corners, and
based on our experience we have to say the F.A.S.Tab hull absolutely
works as represented.

Without any use of the trim tabs, there was a moment of bow rise as the
Crownline 315 stepped over its own bow wave and got up to plane.
However, long before we got into even the lower portions of the speed
curve the Crownline was so far up on step it was almost like we were
hovering above the water. Somewhere between "Oh my gosh!" and
"Yeehaw!" I looked back to check our wake and found that it could
almost be more accurately described as a major ripple. Even with ¾ of
a tank of fuel aboard, we were as airborne as a boat gets without
falling into the hydroplane class. Using the speedometer on the
dashboard of the Crownline 315, we observed speeds of about 35 mph at
an easily sustainable cruise RPM of 3500. "You can go ahead and take
her up to WOT, just briefly," said Rick, and he didn't have to
suggest that twice. Pushing the throttle levers forward increased our
"flight speed" to well over 50 mph before I backed down to the more
sedate pace in the mid-30's. I didn't want to run the brand new
engines for more than a short burst at WOT, and I think I stopped a
couple of hundred RPM short. "I took this boat over to Kirkland to
show it to a client," said Rick, and with the tank almost entirely
full of fuel I managed to get up to 58 mph."

"That 35 mph speed is a very easy cruise speed for this boat,"
observed Rick English. "To put that into perspective, at 35 mph
it's just about two hours from Shilshole Bay to the dock in front of
the Empress in Victoria, BC".

If we forgot to ask Rick anything, it was probably "Why in the world
would anybody put something larger than a pair of 350's in this water
rocket?"

After the Crownline 315 SCR had proved its mettle running in straight
lines, we enjoyed one of the most memorable aspects of the F.A.S.Tab
hull; "sports car" handling. We put the 315 into some very hard
turns at full cruising speed and above. The Crownline definitely heels
over in a high speed turn, and when pushed to its limits in a turn may
be a more extreme experience than some boaters are looking for...(and
those boaters can slow down and make nice, flat turns at more moderate
speeds). What we had to notice was the even when the boat was heeled
over in a turn; the hull is designed to allow the boat to heel only so
far. Once we had "settled in" to even the tightest circle at the
highest speed, the Crownline 315 SCR remained extremely stable.

Conclusions:

The 2007 Crownline 315 SCR manages to combine "family cruiser"
capability with genuinely exhilarating speed and performance. The same
boat can tow a skier at a blistering pace, or host a half dozen friends
from the yacht club for afternoon refreshments in the shade of the
bimini top. Families struggling to find a boat that acceptably
compromises comfort and performance will want to take a careful look at
the 315 SCR- and when they do they may discover that they don't
really need to "compromise" at all.

Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price for a new 2007 Crownline 315
SCR with Mercruiser 350 engines is $158,158.33. The boat we tested at
Sport Boat Northwest was totally loaded with the 110-volt A/C and Heat
system, flat screen TV, generator, "Captain's Call" exhaust
system, the "Executive striping" and factory "Convenience"
packages, and dozens of additional niceties. The lavishly equipped boat
stickered (with freight and prep charges) at $190,227.



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They should shoot that rear shot at the bottom of the page with about a
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Chuck Gould wrote:


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What WAS I thinking? Of course, mine is too!
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:52:06 -0700, JR North
wrote:


There's no such thing as a "perfect" boat, or any other thing, for that
matter


Sez you...

All my boats are "perfect" boats.

Just ask me.


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" JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in

http://www.crownline.com/models/crui.../main_boat.jpg

I muse at the pic, those two sitting on the beach have some serious wading
to do cause they aren't climbing over that humongous bow ! ! !
ron

I still can't get used to that radar arch. Actually, I think it would
look better without it.

Don't matter, I still can't afford it....





Ron wrote:
" JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in

http://www.crownline.com/models/crui.../main_boat.jpg

I muse at the pic, those two sitting on the beach have some serious wading
to do cause they aren't climbing over that humongous bow ! ! !
ron

JR North wrote:
They should shoot that rear shot at the bottom of the page with about a
2 foot following sea.
JR


If a following sea broke across the swimstep there could be some
flooding of the cockpit, but not as much as you might expect. ( There
is a huge, recessed deck drain just outside the companionway door). The
sunpad and locker substitutes for a traditional transom, and the
passages to port and starboard are partially protected with
what would be, in effect, "reduced flow" transom doors. If the
following sea wasn't breaking, the boat would just ride up and over the
top like any other and the increased pressure and effect on steering
would all be taking place below the waterline.

Tha said, the most natual fit for this boat would be somewhat sheltered
waters. I don't think it was really intended to slop around in 30-kt
winds and 5-foot chop. You would want to be off the water if you owned
this boat- as well as most other boats, when something nasty like that
kicks up. This boat is in its glory when it can get up and run, and
everybody's proceeding at trawler speeds when conditions go to absolute
crap.

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...

JR North wrote:
They should shoot that rear shot at the bottom of the page with about a
2 foot following sea.
JR


If a following sea broke across the swimstep there could be some
flooding of the cockpit, but not as much as you might expect. ( There
is a huge, recessed deck drain just outside the companionway door). The
sunpad and locker substitutes for a traditional transom, and the
passages to port and starboard are partially protected with
what would be, in effect, "reduced flow" transom doors. If the
following sea wasn't breaking, the boat would just ride up and over the
top like any other and the increased pressure and effect on steering
would all be taking place below the waterline.

Tha said, the most natual fit for this boat would be somewhat sheltered
waters. I don't think it was really intended to slop around in 30-kt
winds and 5-foot chop.


A shame that a 32 footer can handle only sheltered water because the cockpit
will flood, especially in following seas. I can't seem to find where you
mention that in your review though. ;-)

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
JR North wrote:
They should shoot that rear shot at the bottom of the page with about a
2 foot following sea.
JR

If a following sea broke across the swimstep there could be some
flooding of the cockpit, but not as much as you might expect. ( There
is a huge, recessed deck drain just outside the companionway door). The
sunpad and locker substitutes for a traditional transom, and the
passages to port and starboard are partially protected with
what would be, in effect, "reduced flow" transom doors. If the
following sea wasn't breaking, the boat would just ride up and over the
top like any other and the increased pressure and effect on steering
would all be taking place below the waterline.

Tha said, the most natual fit for this boat would be somewhat sheltered
waters. I don't think it was really intended to slop around in 30-kt
winds and 5-foot chop.


A shame that a 32 footer can handle only sheltered water because the
cockpit will flood, especially in following seas. I can't seem to find
where you mention that in your review though. ;-)



There's only "sheltered water" up there in the balmy Pacific Northwest.


I wonder how much water gets into the cabin when the cockpit starts to
flood? Lets hope it has some monster bilge pumps.