Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:50:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Why am I getting this mental image of a cross between Groucho Marx and
George Burns?

No cigars when he was on my boat, Mrs B would have been all over him
with a fire extinguisher.

Does she have one of those signs: "If we see you smoking we will assume
that you're on fire and take appropriate action!" ?

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

I stopped smoking cigars for a couple of years and hated every minute
of it. Finally, I quit even trying - it's ingrained in my soul.


That's called addiction. I know, I was there. When I quit smoking, with
the aids to help, after the pills they gave me were over, I craved a
smoke for a couple of years after. Still, even though it stinks
horribly, and I can tell a person smokes no matter how careful they are
to not get it on there clothes, etc., I sometimes see someone light up
after a meal or something, and I think, damn that would be nice. It's a
fleeting moment these days, however, and I never give in.

basskisser wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

I stopped smoking cigars for a couple of years and hated every minute
of it. Finally, I quit even trying - it's ingrained in my soul.


That's called addiction. I know, I was there. When I quit smoking, with
the aids to help, after the pills they gave me were over, I craved a
smoke for a couple of years after. Still, even though it stinks
horribly, and I can tell a person smokes no matter how careful they are
to not get it on there clothes, etc., I sometimes see someone light up
after a meal or something, and I think, damn that would be nice. It's a
fleeting moment these days, however, and I never give in.

I haven't smoked in many many years, and yet I still get cravings when I
see someone light up after a mean or catch a whiff of fresh smoke
walking outside.

I think the smell of smoke on someone who has been smoking smells like
****, but I still like the smell of a cigarette. It shows you how
strong the addiction is.

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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basskisser wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

I stopped smoking cigars for a couple of years and hated every minute
of it. Finally, I quit even trying - it's ingrained in my soul.


That's called addiction. I know, I was there. When I quit smoking, with
the aids to help, after the pills they gave me were over, I craved a
smoke for a couple of years after. Still, even though it stinks
horribly, and I can tell a person smokes no matter how careful they are
to not get it on there clothes, etc., I sometimes see someone light up
after a meal or something, and I think, damn that would be nice. It's a
fleeting moment these days, however, and I never give in.

I haven't smoked in many many years, and yet I still get cravings when I
see someone light up after a mean or catch a whiff of fresh smoke walking
outside.

I think the smell of smoke on someone who has been smoking smells like
****, but I still like the smell of a cigarette. It shows you how strong
the addiction is.

When my wife was teaching and bringing home papers to grade you could always
tell the kids whose parents smoked as you could smell it on their papers.

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:39:06 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

basskisser wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

I stopped smoking cigars for a couple of years and hated every minute
of it. Finally, I quit even trying - it's ingrained in my soul.

That's called addiction. I know, I was there. When I quit smoking, with
the aids to help, after the pills they gave me were over, I craved a
smoke for a couple of years after. Still, even though it stinks
horribly, and I can tell a person smokes no matter how careful they are
to not get it on there clothes, etc., I sometimes see someone light up
after a meal or something, and I think, damn that would be nice. It's a
fleeting moment these days, however, and I never give in.

I haven't smoked in many many years, and yet I still get cravings when I
see someone light up after a mean or catch a whiff of fresh smoke
walking outside.

I think the smell of smoke on someone who has been smoking smells like
****, but I still like the smell of a cigarette. It shows you how
strong the addiction is.

I really am amused by this - addiction - HAH!!

You wouldn't know addiction if it bit you in the ass.

No offense intended you understand - just a turn of phrase.

Uh oh. Is this gonna turn into a "whose addiction was more macho" debate?
Nicotine addiction is no different from alcoholism, except that it doesn't
cause you to drive dangerously, unless you try to flick a butt out the
window and it lands in the back seat and you panic.

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:39:06 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

basskisser wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

I stopped smoking cigars for a couple of years and hated every minute
of it. Finally, I quit even trying - it's ingrained in my soul.

That's called addiction. I know, I was there. When I quit smoking, with
the aids to help, after the pills they gave me were over, I craved a
smoke for a couple of years after. Still, even though it stinks
horribly, and I can tell a person smokes no matter how careful they are
to not get it on there clothes, etc., I sometimes see someone light up
after a meal or something, and I think, damn that would be nice. It's a
fleeting moment these days, however, and I never give in.

I haven't smoked in many many years, and yet I still get cravings when I
see someone light up after a mean or catch a whiff of fresh smoke
walking outside.

I think the smell of smoke on someone who has been smoking smells like
****, but I still like the smell of a cigarette. It shows you how
strong the addiction is.

I really am amused by this - addiction - HAH!!

You wouldn't know addiction if it bit you in the ass.

No offense intended you understand - just a turn of phrase.

Really, you don't think that a stinking nasty habit that is "ingrained
in your soul" is addiction? Do you not think that smoking IS addictive?

http://www.ash.org.uk/html/factsheets/html/fact09.html
which states:
Is nicotine addictive?

In February 2000, the Royal College of Physicians published a report on
nicotine addiction which concluded that "Cigarettes are highly
efficient nicotine delivery devices and are as addictive as drugs such
as heroin or cocaine." [1] Two years earlier, the report of the
Government's Scientific Committee on Tobacco and Health stated that:
"Over the past decade there has been increasing recognition that
underlying smoking behaviour and its remarkable intractability to
change is addiction to the drug nicotine. Nicotine has been shown to
have effects on brain dopamine systems similar to those of drugs such
as heroin and cocaine". [2] Both the RCP and SCOTH reports confirmed
the findings of the landmark review by the US Surgeon General in 1988
on nicotine which also concluded that cigarettes and other forms of
tobacco are addicting and that nicotine is the drug in tobacco that
causes addiction.

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

I stopped smoking cigars for a couple of years and hated every minute
of it. Finally, I quit even trying - it's ingrained in my soul.


That's called addiction. I know, I was there. When I quit smoking, with
the aids to help, after the pills they gave me were over, I craved a
smoke for a couple of years after. Still, even though it stinks
horribly, and I can tell a person smokes no matter how careful they are
to not get it on there clothes, etc., I sometimes see someone light up
after a meal or something, and I think, damn that would be nice. It's a
fleeting moment these days, however, and I never give in.

I haven't smoked in many many years, and yet I still get cravings when I
see someone light up after a mean or catch a whiff of fresh smoke
walking outside.

I think the smell of smoke on someone who has been smoking smells like
****, but I still like the smell of a cigarette. It shows you how
strong the addiction is.

It amazes me how much a hate the smell, but like you, every once in
awhile, someone will light one up, and I'll think, damn, that would be
nice...
But, the more years behind me, the easier it gets to not do that...

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:39:06 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

basskisser wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

I stopped smoking cigars for a couple of years and hated every minute
of it. Finally, I quit even trying - it's ingrained in my soul.
That's called addiction. I know, I was there. When I quit smoking, with
the aids to help, after the pills they gave me were over, I craved a
smoke for a couple of years after. Still, even though it stinks
horribly, and I can tell a person smokes no matter how careful they are
to not get it on there clothes, etc., I sometimes see someone light up
after a meal or something, and I think, damn that would be nice. It's a
fleeting moment these days, however, and I never give in.

I haven't smoked in many many years, and yet I still get cravings when I
see someone light up after a mean or catch a whiff of fresh smoke
walking outside.

I think the smell of smoke on someone who has been smoking smells like
****, but I still like the smell of a cigarette. It shows you how
strong the addiction is.
I really am amused by this - addiction - HAH!!

You wouldn't know addiction if it bit you in the ass.

No offense intended you understand - just a turn of phrase.

Uh oh. Is this gonna turn into a "whose addiction was more macho" debate?
Nicotine addiction is no different from alcoholism, except that it doesn't
cause you to drive dangerously, unless you try to flick a butt out the
window and it lands in the back seat and you panic.



A scientist did a study that showed nicotine was more "addictive" than
heroin, since I am not in the mood to look up the details of the study
or his definition and the criteria of "addiction" or get into a debate
on the validity of his criteria and methodology of his study I decided
to let that one go. It is possible, just possible that Tom doesn't
understand nicotine addiction.

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:13:56 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:39:06 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

basskisser wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

I stopped smoking cigars for a couple of years and hated every minute
of it. Finally, I quit even trying - it's ingrained in my soul.

That's called addiction. I know, I was there. When I quit smoking,
with
the aids to help, after the pills they gave me were over, I craved a
smoke for a couple of years after. Still, even though it stinks
horribly, and I can tell a person smokes no matter how careful they
are
to not get it on there clothes, etc., I sometimes see someone light up
after a meal or something, and I think, damn that would be nice. It's
a
fleeting moment these days, however, and I never give in.

I haven't smoked in many many years, and yet I still get cravings when I
see someone light up after a mean or catch a whiff of fresh smoke
walking outside.

I think the smell of smoke on someone who has been smoking smells like
****, but I still like the smell of a cigarette. It shows you how
strong the addiction is.

I really am amused by this - addiction - HAH!!

You wouldn't know addiction if it bit you in the ass.

No offense intended you understand - just a turn of phrase.

Uh oh. Is this gonna turn into a "whose addiction was more macho" debate?
Nicotine addiction is no different from alcoholism, except that it doesn't
cause you to drive dangerously, unless you try to flick a butt out the
window and it lands in the back seat and you panic.

Not at all, but to compare heroin to nicotine is just plain horse****.

Ever see somebody coming down off heroin?

It ain't pretty.

Ever see somebody quitting smoking? Quite different.

Right - the withdrawal is different. But, that says nothing about how easily
it is to become addicted to either one. Both issues are important.

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:32:28 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:13:56 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
m...
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:39:06 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

basskisser wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

I stopped smoking cigars for a couple of years and hated every
minute
of it. Finally, I quit even trying - it's ingrained in my soul.

That's called addiction. I know, I was there. When I quit smoking,
with
the aids to help, after the pills they gave me were over, I craved a
smoke for a couple of years after. Still, even though it stinks
horribly, and I can tell a person smokes no matter how careful they
are
to not get it on there clothes, etc., I sometimes see someone light
up
after a meal or something, and I think, damn that would be nice.
It's
a
fleeting moment these days, however, and I never give in.

I haven't smoked in many many years, and yet I still get cravings when
I
see someone light up after a mean or catch a whiff of fresh smoke
walking outside.

I think the smell of smoke on someone who has been smoking smells like
****, but I still like the smell of a cigarette. It shows you how
strong the addiction is.

I really am amused by this - addiction - HAH!!

You wouldn't know addiction if it bit you in the ass.

No offense intended you understand - just a turn of phrase.

Uh oh. Is this gonna turn into a "whose addiction was more macho"
debate?
Nicotine addiction is no different from alcoholism, except that it
doesn't
cause you to drive dangerously, unless you try to flick a butt out the
window and it lands in the back seat and you panic.

Not at all, but to compare heroin to nicotine is just plain horse****.

Ever see somebody coming down off heroin?

It ain't pretty.

Ever see somebody quitting smoking? Quite different.

Right - the withdrawal is different. But, that says nothing about how
easily
it is to become addicted to either one. Both issues are important.

If they are both equally addictive, then which is worse - the one
where withdrawal is cold sweats, projectile vomiting, hallucinations
and bone breaking muscle spasms or one where it's a question of
behavior modification?

They aren't equal in any sense of the word.

I guess I'm looking at the bigger picture.