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On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 14:40:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 13:57:21 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 20:08:10 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I recall our limiting our bombing to points
containing
radar & antiaircraft weaponry, not missions into their cities. Never
mind.
The point was that our goal at that stage was, as you said, the
no-fly
zone,
or containment.


We always have some bull**** goal when we bomb brown people, that
doesn't mean it is right
If you read what Europe was saying about us at the time you will see
out intent didn't really match where the bombs were falling.
We seem to have forgotten the French, Italians and Germans had
already
left the reservation on Iraq long before GW showed up.
Al Jazerra was showing pictures of dead civilians to the Muslim
world.

OK, but we're getting far afield here. Saddam could've been contained
forever, with little or no cost to us.

like iran!
John

Besides Iran's obnoxious behavior, what do you hear about the country
lately, John?


Nothing! They seem to be just sitting there peacefully doing their
thing,
tending their flocks and whatnot.

Well, I guess there's a little concern about nuclear weapons, but I'm
sure
that's just misinformation.

I wonder what the fishing and boating are like in the Persian Gulf?
John

So, all you've got is sarcasm? You know nothing else about Iran except the
nuclear threat, which, by the way, I agree with you about?


Oh no. But just think, if we'd left Iraq alone, we could have *two* Irans!

Now *that* would be exciting!

No more until September!
John

You've gone into your bi-weekly simpleton mode.

On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 11:13:23 -0400, JohnH wrote:


Oh no. But just think, if we'd left Iraq alone, we could have *two* Irans!

LOL, instead we have the possibility of one Iran, stretching from Tehran
to Beirut. Saddam's removal has left the door open for the Iranians.
Hell, if I was a conspiracy believer, I might think Iran planed all this.
Remember all that bogus intell? Chalabi, et al?


Now *that* would be exciting!

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On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 12:31:02 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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It is signifcant that we had the same amount of support for the no fly
zones from our european allies when Clinton lerft office as we do for
the war now. Most of europe think it is folly to screw with these
crazy SOBs. It is pretty much just us and the brits.

This is all true. It's interesting, though, that some here can create a
house of cards in their minds which justifies sending our kids over there
because of misplaced valor.

I have come full circle on this thing.
In 1991 I told people this would be a tar baby that we could never
extricate ourselves from. Then I started believing there might be a
nobler cause there but I am back to let's get the hell out.
Nothing we tried to do, came to pass. 15 years later we have exactly
the holy war we said we were going to prevent. Sunnis, Shiites and
Jews are shooting at each other every day. I say come home, try to
stay out of it. There is no peace to be had in that region.

Someone's going to come along and call you a liberal or a traitor. Be
prepared.

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On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 09:54:19 -0400, JohnH wrote:

How does one tell the difference between a dead civilian and a dead
terrorist? Please don't say the terrorist will have a rifle in his
hands.
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Those infant terrorists were the sneakiest little *******s

Ah, I didn't realize they were all infants.
Bombs are not that selerctive, men women and kids all die when you
blow up their house.

Let's speed up this discussion. I'll add PatBert's response so it doesn't
have to do it:

"Well....they blow up innocent people too. Why can't we do it?"

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On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 12:31:02 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

It is signifcant that we had the same amount of support for the no
fly
zones from our european allies when Clinton lerft office as we do for
the war now. Most of europe think it is folly to screw with these
crazy SOBs. It is pretty much just us and the brits.

This is all true. It's interesting, though, that some here can create a
house of cards in their minds which justifies sending our kids over
there
because of misplaced valor.

I have come full circle on this thing.
In 1991 I told people this would be a tar baby that we could never
extricate ourselves from. Then I started believing there might be a
nobler cause there but I am back to let's get the hell out.
Nothing we tried to do, came to pass. 15 years later we have exactly
the holy war we said we were going to prevent. Sunnis, Shiites and
Jews are shooting at each other every day. I say come home, try to
stay out of it. There is no peace to be had in that region.

Someone's going to come along and call you a liberal or a traitor. Be
prepared.

You know that in the right's eyes, liberal and traitor are synonymous!!!


Not to mention anyone who has the unmitigated gall to think about the war.
At all.

On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 12:08:12 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 09:54:19 -0400, JohnH wrote:

How does one tell the difference between a dead civilian and a dead
terrorist? Please don't say the terrorist will have a rifle in his hands.
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Those infant terrorists were the sneakiest little *******s

Ah, I didn't realize they were all infants.
Bombs are not that selerctive, men women and kids all die when you
blow up their house.

Ah, I forgot that their weapons storage and firing positions are from their
bedrooms.
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John

On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 12:12:42 -0400, gfretwell wrote:

On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 11:43:56 -0400, thunder
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LOL, instead we have the possibility of one Iran, stretching from Tehran
to Beirut. Saddam's removal has left the door open for the Iranians.
Hell, if I was a conspiracy believer, I might think Iran planed all this.
Remember all that bogus intell? Chalabi, et al?

I doubt that area will never be "one" anything. If the Israelis left in
the morning and the rest of the world just sat back and watched, those
people wouild still be killing each other.

That may be, but Iraq, under Saddam, was a check on Iranian influence.
Without that check, you now have the Iranian ****e sphere running from
Tehran, across southern Iraq, all the way to Beirut. Our President,
nitwit that he is, hasn't marginalized Iran, he has made it a far more
powerful, and dangerous player in the area.

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On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 12:31:02 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

It is signifcant that we had the same amount of support for the no
fly
zones from our european allies when Clinton lerft office as we do for
the war now. Most of europe think it is folly to screw with these
crazy SOBs. It is pretty much just us and the brits.

This is all true. It's interesting, though, that some here can create a
house of cards in their minds which justifies sending our kids over
there
because of misplaced valor.

I have come full circle on this thing.
In 1991 I told people this would be a tar baby that we could never
extricate ourselves from. Then I started believing there might be a
nobler cause there but I am back to let's get the hell out.
Nothing we tried to do, came to pass. 15 years later we have exactly
the holy war we said we were going to prevent. Sunnis, Shiites and
Jews are shooting at each other every day. I say come home, try to
stay out of it. There is no peace to be had in that region.

Someone's going to come along and call you a liberal or a traitor. Be
prepared.

You know that in the right's eyes, liberal and traitor are synonymous!!!


Not to mention anyone who has the unmitigated gall to think about the war.
At all.

Exactly. The only opinion allowed on the war, is what is gleened from
Fox News, and Sean Hannity.

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On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:12:51 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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Someone's going to come along and call you a liberal or a traitor. Be
prepared.

That would be ironic

Look for it probably this evening.

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On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 12:37:34 -0400, JohnH wrote:

Bombs are not that selerctive, men women and kids all die when you
blow up their house.

Ah, I forgot that their weapons storage and firing positions are from
their
bedrooms.

All the more of a reason to just get out of there. We seemed to have
not learned a thing from a guerilla war in Vietnam. When a significant
portion of the civilians don't want us there and we have no real
national interest in staying, go home.


At this point, I think the only way to stop the war is for every working
citizen to stop having taxes withheld, and refuse to file next year. Refuse
to respond to IRS letters. Refuse to vote. Remove the government's financial
backing, as well as their mandate to govern. When their salaries get a bit
thin, then we have a referendum on the war.