Mexicans Vow to Keep Coming
 

Graphic Queen wrote:
Those who want to come to the USA, in violation of our immigration
laws, will continue to come, until and unless, we the American people,
defeat their morale. As long as they hold out the hopes and dreams, of
reaching the "land of milk and honey" or the "pot of gold at the end
of the rainbow", then we will continue to face them. They come for
opportunity, but face the reality of market saturation, hunger and
suffering. There are not enough jobs, or resources to support them at
this rate.

We must also defeat the morale of the illegals already here, and
motivate them to self-deport. We must cut off their supplies of water
and food. We must deter their enablers who assist them, and the
transporters who move them. We must stop the employers who provide
them employment.

Our governments have proved, in the past and present, that they can
make immigration laws, as long as the lumberjacks can fell trees and
the paper mills can make paper, but all the immigration laws written,
on the by-products of all the dead trees, don't mean anything without
enforcement. Our governments, from federal to local, have proven
dysfunctional, in the enforcement of immigration laws.

We must rise up and defend our Constitution against all enemies both
foreign and domestic.
We must carry the torch, and scythe, and enforce our immigration laws,
so as to end this quagmire.
We shall remember in November, and beyond, those traitors and tyrants,
who have betrayed our trust, and our sovereignty.

It is in our hands to remove the illegals from our nation, and to
defeat the efforts of those who will try to violate our immigration
laws.

We must rise and repel the invaders, at the borders, and evict those
aliens in our towns.

You the people of the United States of America, have the power of
citizenship and the duty and honor, under the US Constitution, and
within the Bill of rights, to protect this nation, now, or forever
allow it to be surrendered to the invading forces.

What say you my fellow patriots? rise and fight--or-- surrender?

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
'It will always be like this'
As Bush tries to stop migrants, Mexicans vow to continue illegal trips
north

NOGALES, Mexico - Mexicans say it will take more than three layers of
fence and 6,000 National Guard troops to keep them out of the United
States.

As President Bush visited the stretch of Arizona desert Thursday that
serves as a cactus-studded freeway for thousands of undocumented
migrants, those preparing to make the perilous trip said they will
find a way around almost any obstacle.

"We'll go under it, we'll go over it, we'll go through the air, the
sea or the earth, but they're never going to stop us from crossing,"
said Jesus Santana, a Tijuana truck driver who was caught trying to
cross and deported.

Increased security will likely only serve to make smuggling fees more
expensive and drive immigrants deeper into debt, making them even more
desperate to make it north.

As a tired, bedraggled column of deportees filed across a Nogales
border bridge Thursday - just as Bush was giving a speech on border
security west of here - some migrants were already furiously dialing
cell phones to contact immigrant smugglers for their next attempt.

"Of course we'll cross again. We're just waiting for them to come and
pick us up," said Javier Torres, 22, of Cuiliacan, Sinaloa. Just 100
yards away, vans of the kind used by smugglers waited under an
underpass to pick up groups of deportees.

The deportees were greeted on the Mexican side by Martin Doriane, who
for the last four years has surveyed returning migrants for the
Colegio de la Frontera Norte.

Doraine says at least 95 percent of migrants caught and deported say
they'll try again, in part because they've sold everything they own in
Mexico to pay increasingly expensive and sophisticated smuggling
efforts to overcome tightened border security.

"They say, 'I had a roof and a frying pan in Mexico, but I sold both
to come north and went into debt, so what do I have to return to?"'
Doraine said.

Seeking 'a different life'
One of the deportees, Maria del Carmen Valadez, brought her
12-year-old son, Julio Cesar Castaneda, on the dangerous two-day trek
through the desert. The boy hungrily ate a taco Doriane gave him as
his mother acknowledged "it is a risk" to bring a child on such a
dangerous trip.

"I did it to give him a different life," said Valadez, of Fresnillo in
Zacatecas in northern Mexico. She said she'll probably try to cross
again, because in her hometown, "there's nothing but poverty."

That sense of desperation - and determination - is everywhere.

On Monday, a detained woman told agents she had left her 3-year-old
son dead in the desert.

The proposed 370 miles of triple-layer fencing, approved by the Senate
Wednesday, as well as Bush's plan to send National Guard troops to
play supporting roles in border enforcement, has raised tempers and
tensions here.

"Somebody is going to start shooting, and then there will be problems
between the two countries," predicted Santana, the Tijuana truck
driver.

Mexico airs concerns
Mexico's government has expressed concern about the wall and National
Guard proposals, saying they aren't the way to solve problems of
border security and illegal migration north.

"Most countries want to bring their people together and tear down
physical, commercial and cultural barriers," presidential spokesman
Ruben Aguilar said Thursday. "Anyone who proposes separating them is
out of line. Walls are a sign of distrust, and that will never be the
basis of a good friendship between two countries."

The Senate measure includes provisions that would give some
undocumented immigrants a path toward citizenship and allow more
people to work temporarily in the United States.

But Santana said he saw no advances in the sweeping reform package.

"There will always be more people wanting to come," he said. "It will
always be like this."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12860863/
--

Constitution of Mexico:

FOREIGNERS may NOT, in any manner, involve themselves in the political affairs of the COUNTRY!

The supreme kisser of hispanic butts, President Bush, and most of the
US Senate should be on trial for treason. They have failed to protect
our southern border and have pushed for legislation that would increase
the flooding of America by third-world aliens. A problem is that the
old "Silent Majority" is mostly a collection of lard-assed, feminized,
PC'd, White males. Worthless.

Arch

http://www.newnation.com/index2.html New Nation News

Mexicans Vow to Keep Coming
 

Wrong group, unless they're coming by boat.

Mexicans Vow to Keep Coming
 

wrote:

On 17 Jul 2006 17:49:04 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Wrong group, unless they're coming by boat.
That's the Haitians and Cubans

And after all the immigrants coming to the US in order to play bridge as
"Americans" (Benito Garozzo from Italy, Zia Mahmood from Pakistan,
Michael Rosenberg from Scotland, ...) tend to be
world-championship-level players, typically of middle-upper or
upper-class extraction, and therefore the kind of "immigrants" to whom
red carpets tend to be laid for (not sure about those who come here to
write books, or to practice metalworking as a craft, but I suspect the
situation might be similar). *Un*welcome immigrants are only those who
come in to do *useful, indispensable, low-pay* work, such as
house-cleaning -- they *are*, after all, lower-class! (Immigrants like
me, come here for hightech work, fall in a gray zone -- yes, our work IS
precious to the US economy, which would suggest we should be unwelcome,
but OTOH we're pretty well-paid and most often middle-class... so, we're
not quite as loathed by the average redneck as the most useful and
lowest-paid ones, but neither are we as welcome as bridgeplayers &c!-).


Alex

Mexicans Vow to Keep Coming
 

Alex Martelli wrote:
wrote:

On 17 Jul 2006 17:49:04 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Wrong group, unless they're coming by boat.
That's the Haitians and Cubans

And after all the immigrants coming to the US in order to play bridge as
"Americans" (Benito Garozzo from Italy, Zia Mahmood from Pakistan,
Michael Rosenberg from Scotland, ...) tend to be
world-championship-level players, typically of middle-upper or
upper-class extraction, and therefore the kind of "immigrants" to whom
red carpets tend to be laid for (not sure about those who come here to
write books, or to practice metalworking as a craft, but I suspect the
situation might be similar). *Un*welcome immigrants are only those who
come in to do *useful, indispensable, low-pay* work, such as
house-cleaning -- they *are*, after all, lower-class! (Immigrants like
me, come here for hightech work, fall in a gray zone -- yes, our work IS
precious to the US economy, which would suggest we should be unwelcome,
but OTOH we're pretty well-paid and most often middle-class... so, we're
not quite as loathed by the average redneck as the most useful and
lowest-paid ones, but neither are we as welcome as bridgeplayers &c!-).


Alex

We must stop them!

I think some swede just won the LMpairs good grief
What next Canadians playing for the USA
Good grief if you let some Italian guy named Garozzo, who ever that is,
in our country marrying our rich american women,what next?
Do we really want all these "people" playing, making money and sleeping
with our rich American female sponsors...this must Stop!

Mexicans Vow to Keep Coming
 

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:13:52 -0700, (Alex Martelli) wrote:

wrote:

On 17 Jul 2006 17:49:04 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Wrong group, unless they're coming by boat.
That's the Haitians and Cubans

And after all the immigrants coming to the US in order to play bridge as
"Americans" (Benito Garozzo from Italy, Zia Mahmood from Pakistan,
Michael Rosenberg from Scotland, ...) tend to be
world-championship-level players, typically of middle-upper or
upper-class extraction, and therefore the kind of "immigrants" to whom
red carpets tend to be laid for (not sure about those who come here to
write books, or to practice metalworking as a craft, but I suspect the
situation might be similar). *Un*welcome immigrants are only those who
come in to do *useful, indispensable, low-pay* work, such as
house-cleaning -- they *are*, after all, lower-class! (Immigrants like
me, come here for hightech work, fall in a gray zone -- yes, our work IS
precious to the US economy, which would suggest we should be unwelcome,
but OTOH we're pretty well-paid and most often middle-class... so, we're
not quite as loathed by the average redneck as the most useful and
lowest-paid ones, but neither are we as welcome as bridgeplayers &c!-).


Alex

Are you here legally or illegally?

Gunner


The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose
and for someone else to pay when things go wrong.

In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology
has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence,
and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years
.. It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints,
and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been
as swift and complete as the collapse of British power.

Theodore Dalrymple,

Mexicans Vow to Keep Coming
 

wrote:
Graphic Queen wrote:
Those who want to come to the USA, in violation of our immigration
laws, will continue to come, until and unless, we the American people,
defeat their morale. As long as they hold out the hopes and dreams, of
reaching the "land of milk and honey" or the "pot of gold at the end
of the rainbow", then we will continue to face them. They come for
opportunity, but face the reality of market saturation, hunger and
suffering. There are not enough jobs, or resources to support them at
this rate.

We must also defeat the morale of the illegals already here, and
motivate them to self-deport. We must cut off their supplies of water
and food. We must deter their enablers who assist them, and the
transporters who move them. We must stop the employers who provide
them employment.

Our governments have proved, in the past and present, that they can
make immigration laws, as long as the lumberjacks can fell trees and
the paper mills can make paper, but all the immigration laws written,
on the by-products of all the dead trees, don't mean anything without
enforcement. Our governments, from federal to local, have proven
dysfunctional, in the enforcement of immigration laws.

We must rise up and defend our Constitution against all enemies both
foreign and domestic.
We must carry the torch, and scythe, and enforce our immigration laws,
so as to end this quagmire.
We shall remember in November, and beyond, those traitors and tyrants,
who have betrayed our trust, and our sovereignty.

It is in our hands to remove the illegals from our nation, and to
defeat the efforts of those who will try to violate our immigration
laws.

We must rise and repel the invaders, at the borders, and evict those
aliens in our towns.

You the people of the United States of America, have the power of
citizenship and the duty and honor, under the US Constitution, and
within the Bill of rights, to protect this nation, now, or forever
allow it to be surrendered to the invading forces.

What say you my fellow patriots? rise and fight--or-- surrender?

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
'It will always be like this'
As Bush tries to stop migrants, Mexicans vow to continue illegal trips
north

NOGALES, Mexico - Mexicans say it will take more than three layers of
fence and 6,000 National Guard troops to keep them out of the United
States.

As President Bush visited the stretch of Arizona desert Thursday that
serves as a cactus-studded freeway for thousands of undocumented
migrants, those preparing to make the perilous trip said they will
find a way around almost any obstacle.

"We'll go under it, we'll go over it, we'll go through the air, the
sea or the earth, but they're never going to stop us from crossing,"
said Jesus Santana, a Tijuana truck driver who was caught trying to
cross and deported.

Increased security will likely only serve to make smuggling fees more
expensive and drive immigrants deeper into debt, making them even more
desperate to make it north.

As a tired, bedraggled column of deportees filed across a Nogales
border bridge Thursday - just as Bush was giving a speech on border
security west of here - some migrants were already furiously dialing
cell phones to contact immigrant smugglers for their next attempt.

"Of course we'll cross again. We're just waiting for them to come and
pick us up," said Javier Torres, 22, of Cuiliacan, Sinaloa. Just 100
yards away, vans of the kind used by smugglers waited under an
underpass to pick up groups of deportees.

The deportees were greeted on the Mexican side by Martin Doriane, who
for the last four years has surveyed returning migrants for the
Colegio de la Frontera Norte.

Doraine says at least 95 percent of migrants caught and deported say
they'll try again, in part because they've sold everything they own in
Mexico to pay increasingly expensive and sophisticated smuggling
efforts to overcome tightened border security.

"They say, 'I had a roof and a frying pan in Mexico, but I sold both
to come north and went into debt, so what do I have to return to?"'
Doraine said.

Seeking 'a different life'
One of the deportees, Maria del Carmen Valadez, brought her
12-year-old son, Julio Cesar Castaneda, on the dangerous two-day trek
through the desert. The boy hungrily ate a taco Doriane gave him as
his mother acknowledged "it is a risk" to bring a child on such a
dangerous trip.

"I did it to give him a different life," said Valadez, of Fresnillo in
Zacatecas in northern Mexico. She said she'll probably try to cross
again, because in her hometown, "there's nothing but poverty."

That sense of desperation - and determination - is everywhere.

On Monday, a detained woman told agents she had left her 3-year-old
son dead in the desert.

The proposed 370 miles of triple-layer fencing, approved by the Senate
Wednesday, as well as Bush's plan to send National Guard troops to
play supporting roles in border enforcement, has raised tempers and
tensions here.

"Somebody is going to start shooting, and then there will be problems
between the two countries," predicted Santana, the Tijuana truck
driver.

Mexico airs concerns
Mexico's government has expressed concern about the wall and National
Guard proposals, saying they aren't the way to solve problems of
border security and illegal migration north.

"Most countries want to bring their people together and tear down
physical, commercial and cultural barriers," presidential spokesman
Ruben Aguilar said Thursday. "Anyone who proposes separating them is
out of line. Walls are a sign of distrust, and that will never be the
basis of a good friendship between two countries."

The Senate measure includes provisions that would give some
undocumented immigrants a path toward citizenship and allow more
people to work temporarily in the United States.

But Santana said he saw no advances in the sweeping reform package.

"There will always be more people wanting to come," he said. "It will
always be like this."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12860863/
--

Constitution of Mexico:

FOREIGNERS may NOT, in any manner, involve themselves in the political affairs of the COUNTRY!

The supreme kisser of hispanic butts, President Bush, and most of the
US Senate should be on trial for treason. They have failed to protect
our southern border and have pushed for legislation that would increase
the flooding of America by third-world aliens. A problem is that the
old "Silent Majority" is mostly a collection of lard-assed, feminized,
PC'd, White males. Worthless.

Arch

http://www.newnation.com/index2.html New Nation News

The basic failure is an economic one. Mobility of labor is a vital part
of the EU. Indeed my claim is that you cannot have a free economy
without freedom of all the ingedients - Capital, Labor, Goods and
Services. NAFTA should be rechistened NAFF TA as it it really only
giving the basic freedoms of the WTO.

EU experience shows that mass migrations cease when wage and salary
levels are within 50% of the level between the various countries. The
fact that vthis is not the case with the USA and Mexico is a grave
indictment of the way the Western Hemisphere is run. Bush is trying -
very inadaquately in my view, to run a proper hemisphere. You could say
Bush is very trying!

Calderon has promised to free up movement of Capital. This I believe is
a vital step, in fact if labor is cheap US firms should be investing in
Mexico and making vast profits. OK making vast profits some might
consider immoral, but this is the only way to even things up.
Eventaually there will be no point as Mexican real wages rise. Also if
you settle in Mexico you will find that property and services are very
much cheaper than they are in the US. Learn some Spanish and you will
find that services cost you less. This may, as I have said, be a
temporary state of affairs.

I always thought the US was a free country run on free enterprise
principles. I was wrong.

Mexicans Vow to Keep Coming
 

wrote:
...
The basic failure is an economic one. Mobility of labor is a vital part
of the EU. Indeed my claim is that you cannot have a free economy
without freedom of all the ingedients - Capital, Labor, Goods and

Tell that to the French -- their huge scare about "the threat of Polish
plumber" crippled the Services Directive, and still today a Polish
plumber cannot freely go practice his trade in France (or, I believe,
Italy or Germany) without serious hassles making this or that "illegal".

The only plus of the EU, here, is that having these immigration hassles
as a state-level decision enables sensible states (Ireland, the UK,
Sweden, ...) to have much saner immigration policies, while, in the US,
even states which might LOVE to let good workers in (I suspect
California, Texas or Florida might, for example) must still kowtow on
immigration issues to heartland rednecks (OTOH, the fragmentation hurts
the EU on currency issues, for example: having theoretically free
movement of capital is hampered by that capital needing to be all the
time converted -- at a price each time -- among euros, pounds, kroner,
.... having just 1 single currency, the dollar, helps the US!).


Alex

Mexicans Vow to Keep Coming
 

Alotta Fagina wrote:
You wrote:

heartland rednecks

Says the dago wop guinea meatball.

Hey!! That's my cousin you are talking about (and yours as well) ;-))

Mexicans Vow to Keep Coming
 

Hey, why don't we just create an INS Illegal Immigration Foreign
Legion, subordinate to the US Army? That way, when the beaners cross
over we can swear them in and then send them immediately over to Iraq
outside the Green Zone. That would easily fill in the extra 130,000
troops we need there and US Army recruiters could stop patrolling
Wal-Mart parking lots for Negros and Mexican-Americans (aka Cannon
Fodder).

I think if we opened a few Taco Bells in Iraq and added a "Burrito with
pinto beans and Spanish rice" MRE the INS Foreign Legion would do just
fine.

And if the beaners lose Juan over in Iraq, not to worry... they can
have Carlos, Miguel, Arturo... ad infinitum! Mexicans tend to be
breeders so I can see your average illegal immigrant family taking 3
tours to have any effect on them!

The downside, of course, would be the INS troops selling their M-4s and
other US equipment to send money back to Mexico!!! But the US Army
would have the cleanest latrines in the world and best KP service!!!

Rob

Mexicans Vow to Keep Coming
 

"Alotta Fagina" wrote in message
...
You wrote:

heartland rednecks

Says the dago wop guinea meatball.

What a coincidence, those are my good points too!
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

Mexicans Vow to Keep Coming
 

Alex Martelli wrote:

so, we're
not quite as loathed by the average redneck as the most useful and
lowest-paid ones, but neither are we as welcome as bridgeplayers &c!-).

I think the key issue here is that immigrants bring their deviant,
abominable practices and customs with them and impose them on the rest
of us here, forcing us to deal with strange, incomprehensible notions
like POLISH CLUB and GHESTEM and MEXICAN TWO DIAMONDS and FORCING
PASSES and VINJE SIGNALS and God knows what other abominations.
They've even started merging parts of our culture with ours, so that
we're starting to see things like SOUTH AFRICAN TEXAS and RUSSIAN
CHICAGO. This must be opposed by every red-blooded, patriotic American
who wishes to keep our culture pure and based on the traditional
American pillars of FIVE-CARD MAJORS, STAYMAN (*), and BLACKWOOD. We
must stop them!

(*) And just to show you how bad things have gotten, there are even
people who claim that our beloved American "Stayman" convention was
really invented by some guy with a French last name, or worse, by an
Englishman named Marx. This proves that as soon as we start letting
foreigners dictate our conventions, Marxism is just around the corner.

-- Adam

Mexicans Vow to Keep Coming
 

Rob Arndt wrote:
Hey, why don't we just create an INS Illegal Immigration Foreign
Legion, subordinate to the US Army? That way, when the beaners cross
over we can swear them in and then send them immediately over to Iraq
outside the Green Zone. That would easily fill in the extra 130,000
troops we need there and US Army recruiters could stop patrolling
Wal-Mart parking lots for Negros and Mexican-Americans (aka Cannon
Fodder).

I think if we opened a few Taco Bells in Iraq and added a "Burrito with
pinto beans and Spanish rice" MRE the INS Foreign Legion would do just
fine.

And if the beaners lose Juan over in Iraq, not to worry... they can
have Carlos, Miguel, Arturo... ad infinitum! Mexicans tend to be
breeders so I can see your average illegal immigrant family taking 3
tours to have any effect on them!

The downside, of course, would be the INS troops selling their M-4s and
other US equipment to send money back to Mexico!!! But the US Army
would have the cleanest latrines in the world and best KP service!!!

Rob

Tell ya what, aren't, go ahead and set it up. With your abysmal
understanding of tactics and weapons you can get as many people killed
as your li'l Nazi heart desires.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Mexicans Vow to Keep Coming
 

On 18 Jul 2006 10:47:50 -0700, "Adam Beneschan" wrote:

Alex Martelli wrote:

so, we're
not quite as loathed by the average redneck as the most useful and
lowest-paid ones, but neither are we as welcome as bridgeplayers &c!-).

I think the key issue here is that immigrants bring their deviant,
abominable practices and customs with them and impose them on the rest
of us here, forcing us to deal with strange, incomprehensible notions
like POLISH CLUB and GHESTEM and MEXICAN TWO DIAMONDS and FORCING
PASSES and VINJE SIGNALS and God knows what other abominations.
They've even started merging parts of our culture with ours, so that
we're starting to see things like SOUTH AFRICAN TEXAS and RUSSIAN
CHICAGO. This must be opposed by every red-blooded, patriotic American
who wishes to keep our culture pure and based on the traditional
American pillars of FIVE-CARD MAJORS, STAYMAN (*), and BLACKWOOD. We
must stop them!

(*) And just to show you how bad things have gotten, there are even
people who claim that our beloved American "Stayman" convention was
really invented by some guy with a French last name, or worse, by an
Englishman named Marx. This proves that as soon as we start letting
foreigners dictate our conventions, Marxism is just around the corner.

-- Adam


Damn, And I didn't realize that bridge was so political :-)


Mark Rand
RTFM

Mexicans Vow to Keep Coming
 

Dan wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
Hey, why don't we just create an INS Illegal Immigration Foreign
Legion, subordinate to the US Army? That way, when the beaners cross
over we can swear them in and then send them immediately over to Iraq
outside the Green Zone. That would easily fill in the extra 130,000
troops we need there and US Army recruiters could stop patrolling
Wal-Mart parking lots for Negros and Mexican-Americans (aka Cannon
Fodder).

I think if we opened a few Taco Bells in Iraq and added a "Burrito with
pinto beans and Spanish rice" MRE the INS Foreign Legion would do just
fine.

And if the beaners lose Juan over in Iraq, not to worry... they can
have Carlos, Miguel, Arturo... ad infinitum! Mexicans tend to be
breeders so I can see your average illegal immigrant family taking 3
tours to have any effect on them!

The downside, of course, would be the INS troops selling their M-4s and
other US equipment to send money back to Mexico!!! But the US Army
would have the cleanest latrines in the world and best KP service!!!

Rob

Tell ya what, aren't, go ahead and set it up. With your abysmal
understanding of tactics and weapons you can get as many people killed
as your li'l Nazi heart desires.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Dan,

Since I live in Cali where the border problem IS a problem I decided to
respond to this OT
topic with a tongue in cheek reply. None of that is serious.

So nice to know that you are an expert in tactics, weapons and exit
strategies. Iraq is on the brink of civil war and professionals in the
field have no clue on how to stop the violence let alone form an exit
strategy... so tell us oh wise one what YOUR strategy is for theat
volatile region.

And as for being a Jew, what the hell are you doing for Israel right
now? I'm supporting 3 organizations including the IDF and rescue
services monetarily. I bet you're just sitting on your old retired ass
watching CNN. IF YOU ARE THE WARRIOR YOU CLAIM THEN MAKE ALIYAH AND
FIGHT NOW! Oh, I'm sorry, that would interrupt your masturbation time
with your Amazon female-bodybuilder magazines and nudist colony
plans!!!

Rob

p.s. You accuse me of being a Nazi and yet Israel and Hezbollah are
killing as many civilians as their lil hearts desire. I support Israel
but also the fragile democratic Lebanese Govt. which is powerless to
get rid of Hezbollah militarily. Without a ground invasion by the IDF
no cease-fire or return of the captured Israeli soldiers will rid
Lebanon of Hezbollah, especially since they are part of the Govt. and
take their orders from Tehran, facilitated by Syria. So you create a 20
mile buffer zone... Hezbollah will just launch longer range Iranian
missiles. UN or EU Peacekeepers? Weak alternative as they don't want to
get involved militarily. WIll hostage-taking, rocket attacks, or
Islamic terrorism stop? Hell no. I say the IDF should wipe Hezbollah,
Damascus, and Tehran off the map. If that's war mongering, what's the
alternative... hide in bunkers for an indefinate time or until some
Arab/Persian nation develops a nuke? No way, "Never again" should mean
just that. If Israel compromises on that it slits its own strategic
throat.

Mexicans Vow to Keep Coming
 

WE ARE ALL MEMBERS OF PLANET EARTH, THE SOLAR SYSTEM, THE MILKY
WAY GALAXY, AND THE INFINITE UNIVERSE!!!!!!!!


WHAT COUNTRY PEOPLE HAPPEN TO LIVE IN IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVENT!!!!


-"jordie"

Mexicans Vow to Keep Coming
 

On 19 Jul 2006 12:59:01 -0700, "Rob Arndt" wrote:


Dan wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
Hey, why don't we just create an INS Illegal Immigration Foreign
Legion, subordinate to the US Army? That way, when the beaners cross
over we can swear them in and then send them immediately over to Iraq
outside the Green Zone. That would easily fill in the extra 130,000
troops we need there and US Army recruiters could stop patrolling
Wal-Mart parking lots for Negros and Mexican-Americans (aka Cannon
Fodder).

I think if we opened a few Taco Bells in Iraq and added a "Burrito with
pinto beans and Spanish rice" MRE the INS Foreign Legion would do just
fine.

And if the beaners lose Juan over in Iraq, not to worry... they can
have Carlos, Miguel, Arturo... ad infinitum! Mexicans tend to be
breeders so I can see your average illegal immigrant family taking 3
tours to have any effect on them!

The downside, of course, would be the INS troops selling their M-4s and
other US equipment to send money back to Mexico!!! But the US Army
would have the cleanest latrines in the world and best KP service!!!

Rob

Tell ya what, aren't, go ahead and set it up. With your abysmal
understanding of tactics and weapons you can get as many people killed
as your li'l Nazi heart desires.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Dan,

Since I live in Cali where the border problem IS a problem I decided to
respond to this OT
topic with a tongue in cheek reply. None of that is serious.

So nice to know that you are an expert in tactics, weapons and exit
strategies. Iraq is on the brink of civil war and professionals in the
field have no clue on how to stop the violence let alone form an exit
strategy... so tell us oh wise one what YOUR strategy is for theat
volatile region.

And as for being a Jew, what the hell are you doing for Israel right
now? I'm supporting 3 organizations including the IDF and rescue
services monetarily. I bet you're just sitting on your old retired ass
watching CNN. IF YOU ARE THE WARRIOR YOU CLAIM THEN MAKE ALIYAH AND
FIGHT NOW! Oh, I'm sorry, that would interrupt your masturbation time
with your Amazon female-bodybuilder magazines and nudist colony
plans!!!

Rob

p.s. You accuse me of being a Nazi and yet Israel and Hezbollah are
killing as many civilians as their lil hearts desire. I support Israel
but also the fragile democratic Lebanese Govt. which is powerless to
get rid of Hezbollah militarily. Without a ground invasion by the IDF
no cease-fire or return of the captured Israeli soldiers will rid
Lebanon of Hezbollah, especially since they are part of the Govt. and
take their orders from Tehran, facilitated by Syria. So you create a 20
mile buffer zone... Hezbollah will just launch longer range Iranian
missiles. UN or EU Peacekeepers? Weak alternative as they don't want to
get involved militarily. WIll hostage-taking, rocket attacks, or
Islamic terrorism stop? Hell no. I say the IDF should wipe Hezbollah,
Damascus, and Tehran off the map. If that's war mongering, what's the
alternative... hide in bunkers for an indefinate time or until some
Arab/Persian nation develops a nuke? No way, "Never again" should mean
just that. If Israel compromises on that it slits its own strategic
throat.

Naturally, the new mideast fighting will end up costing American
taxpayers. From a coldly practical standpoint Israel has no oil.
If we had a government of anything but PC asskissers 30,000 troops
would be deployed on our border with Mexico.

Will

Harry's Classic Old Barn
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:24:07 -0700, Hank
wrote:

Naturally, the new mideast fighting will end up costing American
taxpayers. From a coldly practical standpoint Israel has no oil.
If we had a government of anything but PC asskissers 30,000 troops
would be deployed on our border with Mexico.

Now that the Israelis have started a holy war

Interesting take.

My weary old barn:

http://tinyurl.com/owt6a


A classic! Are you ever going to restore it?

Harry's Classic Old Barn
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:24:07 -0700, Hank
wrote:

Naturally, the new mideast fighting will end up costing American
taxpayers. From a coldly practical standpoint Israel has no oil.
If we had a government of anything but PC asskissers 30,000 troops
would be deployed on our border with Mexico.
Now that the Israelis have started a holy war
Interesting take.

My weary old barn:

http://tinyurl.com/owt6a


A classic! Are you ever going to restore it?


It's disintegrating. It has been doing so for decades. The critters like
it in the winter.

A shame. Before it degrades even further you should consider dismantling it
and selling salvageable lumber to folks building post and beam or wanting
weathered siding for their rec room. All good lumber would have to be
fumigated to get rid of the tiny critters in it but it may still end up
being profitable for you, even after demolition costs.

On the other hand..........it is a nice piece of vintage architecture to
admire. ;-)

Mexicans Vow to Keep Coming
 

Harry Krause wrote:
wrote:

On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:24:07 -0700, Hank
wrote:

Naturally, the new mideast fighting will end up costing American
taxpayers. From a coldly practical standpoint Israel has no oil.
If we had a government of anything but PC asskissers 30,000 troops
would be deployed on our border with Mexico.


Now that the Israelis have started a holy war


Interesting take.

My weary old barn:

http://tinyurl.com/owt6a

You should get JohnH up there and spend a weekend repairing that barn.

Harry's Classic Old Barn
 

Harry Krause wrote:
JimH wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..

wrote:

On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:24:07 -0700, Hank
wrote:

Naturally, the new mideast fighting will end up costing American
taxpayers. From a coldly practical standpoint Israel has no oil.
If we had a government of anything but PC asskissers 30,000 troops
would be deployed on our border with Mexico.

Now that the Israelis have started a holy war

Interesting take.

My weary old barn:

http://tinyurl.com/owt6a



A classic! Are you ever going to restore it?



It's disintegrating. It has been doing so for decades. The critters like
it in the winter.


Let it go too far and it won't be worth saving. This happened to me
last month with my garage. Now I have a 12' x 6' shed and a 10' x 20'
portable garage.

Mexicans Vow to Keep Coming
 

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 00:27:55 GMT, Don White wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:
wrote:

On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:24:07 -0700, Hank
wrote:

Naturally, the new mideast fighting will end up costing American
taxpayers. From a coldly practical standpoint Israel has no oil.
If we had a government of anything but PC asskissers 30,000 troops
would be deployed on our border with Mexico.


Now that the Israelis have started a holy war


Interesting take.

My weary old barn:

http://tinyurl.com/owt6a

You should get JohnH up there and spend a weekend repairing that barn.

I had enough of barn repair as a kid. I'd replace the missing boards (if I
were going to sell the place), but other than that I'd just leave it.
However, if there were kids around, I'd sure as hell seal it so they
couldn't get in and hurt themselves.

My friend from Holland gave me the book "Classic Barns" as a gift. Harry's
barn looks like the one on the inside of the cover. Beautiful barn.

http://tinyurl.com/lobev

--
******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

John

Mexicans Vow to Keep Coming
 

Alotta Fagina wrote:
You wrote:

And as for being a Jew, what the hell are you doing for Israel right
now? I'm supporting 3 organizations including the IDF

At what contribution level do you get a vial of Rachel Corrie's ashes,
murderer?



Whatever you say anti-semite terror puppet.

Flying the yellow (coward) Hezbollah flag of international terrorism? I
**** on both the Arabs and the Persians. They couldn't beat Israel in 5
consecutive wars so they have to use asymetrical warfare, minions of
oil-rich nations that cry their plight but do nothing to help aid their
basic human needs. Seems like they have a lot of weapons and explosives
to send however.

You drive a Syrian missile laden truck for them?

Rob

p.s. How many children do you have to strap explosives to to get the
HAMAS "Family Award", you ****ing piece of human debris?"

Mexicans Vow to Keep Coming
 

p.s. How many children do you have to strap explosives to to get the
HAMAS "Family Award"

Most of the Lebanese you're killing this week are Christians, dumbass. Of
course, you don't give a damn about that. You're more brain dead than
Ariel "King David Hotel bomber" Sharon.

The Lebanese Christians live in E Beruit and until today were largely
safe from the bombing. The only thing hit there in a light strike were
two trucks mistaken for Katyusha launchers, understandable if you see
them from the air- they were drilling trucks with similar overhead
structures. But no one was killed at all.

you ****ing piece of human debris?

Uh, speaking of "coward", how many Hamas members have you confronted to
their face? What's that yellow trickle down your pants, murderer?

The IDF I support has been killing your Hamas heros for years, so my
money isn't a waste at all. If only YOU were in Gaza dickhead. ;)

Rob

Mexicans Vow to Keep Coming
 

Uh, speaking of "coward", how many Hamas members have you confronted
to their face? What's that yellow trickle down your pants, murderer?

The IDF I support has been killing your Hamas heros for years, so my
money isn't a waste at all. If only YOU were in Gaza dickhead. ;)

I can tell you exactly where I am and I know you'll keep your distance
because you have nothing between your legs except that **** you just can't
seem to hit the "Arabs and Persians" with.

I noticed that your s/n is "Alotta Fagina"- fitting in your case,
pussy.

Rob

p.s. I hope you live in an area under Israeli attack ;)

Mexicans Vow to Keep Coming
 

Rob Arndt wrote:
...
Whatever you say anti-semite terror puppet.

I'd just like to point out that, since the Arabs are Semites every bit
as much as the Jews are, anybody who's pro-Arab, whatever else they may
be, cannot *by definition* be an anti-semite.

Using "anti-semite" to tag somebody who allegedly favours one group of
Semites over another is fully as idiotic as using "anti-american" to tag
somebody accused of favouring Iowa over Ohio, or "anti-european" to tag
somebody accused of favouring Luxembourg over Belgium.


Alex

Mexicans Vow to Keep Coming
 

Alotta Fagina wrote:
And honestly, because of her deed, I don't have much sympathy for her
death.

I will have none for yours, and hope for its speedy arrival.

http://i2.tinypic.com/20gz2vb.gif

Mexicans Vow to Keep Coming
 

Alex Martelli wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
...
Whatever you say anti-semite terror puppet.

I'd just like to point out that, since the Arabs are Semites every bit
as much as the Jews are, anybody who's pro-Arab, whatever else they may
be, cannot *by definition* be an anti-semite.

Using "anti-semite" to tag somebody who allegedly favours one group of
Semites over another is fully as idiotic as using "anti-american" to tag
somebody accused of favouring Iowa over Ohio, or "anti-european" to tag
somebody accused of favouring Luxembourg over Belgium.


Alex

Hitler was an anti-semite, so how many ARABS did he exterminate during
the holocaust/Final Solution??? Oh, that's right... the Arabs SUPPORTED
the Nazi regime and are proud of what Hitler did.

The entire world knows WHO is being persecuted under anti-semitism and
they aren't Arabs no matter what the Oxford Dictionary says, you stupid
bookworm.

Let me know when they set up the Arab extermination camps...

Rob

.
 

..

.
 

Chuck Gould wrote:
.

?

Mexicans Vow to Keep Coming
 

Alex Martelli wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
...
Whatever you say anti-semite terror puppet.

I'd just like to point out that, since the Arabs are Semites every bit
as much as the Jews are, anybody who's pro-Arab, whatever else they may
be, cannot *by definition* be an anti-semite.

Sorry, Alex, you're wrong here. The problem here is that you're making
sense, and you assume that language should make sense too. But it
doesn't, necessarily. The dictionary says that "anti-Semite" has
specifically to do with hostility toward Jews, so that's what the
definition is, period---regardless of what it looks like it *ought* to
mean. (My source is www.m-w.com, in case it matters.)

Really, since you play a game where you use the terms "Grand Slam
Force" to refer to a bid that doesn't force to a grand slam, and
"Unusual Notrump" to refer to a bid that everyone and his brother
plays, you shouldn't be making a mistake like that. :) :) :) :)

-- Adam

Mexicans Vow to Keep Coming
 

Alex Martelli wrote:
wrote:
...
The basic failure is an economic one. Mobility of labor is a vital part
of the EU. Indeed my claim is that you cannot have a free economy
without freedom of all the ingedients - Capital, Labor, Goods and

Tell that to the French -- their huge scare about "the threat of Polish
plumber" crippled the Services Directive, and still today a Polish
plumber cannot freely go practice his trade in France (or, I believe,
Italy or Germany) without serious hassles making this or that "illegal".

The only plus of the EU, here, is that having these immigration hassles
as a state-level decision enables sensible states (Ireland, the UK,
Sweden, ...) to have much saner immigration policies, while, in the US,
even states which might LOVE to let good workers in (I suspect
California, Texas or Florida might, for example) must still kowtow on
immigration issues to heartland rednecks (OTOH, the fragmentation hurts
the EU on currency issues, for example: having theoretically free
movement of capital is hampered by that capital needing to be all the
time converted -- at a price each time -- among euros, pounds, kroner,
... having just 1 single currency, the dollar, helps the US!).


Alex

You have highlighted one very impoertant point - the mutual recognition
of qualifications. There are "headline" tariff barriers. There are also
non tariff barriers. I fully support the work of the WTO although I
consider it work to be limited. When you get things as brazen as
agricultural policies (both EU and US), the support bive to BOTH Boeing
and Airbus, this fact is often forgotten. Airbus A local trade
orgainization NAFTA or the EU must also be looking at non tariff
barriers as well.

Could I say that my own country Great Nritain is admitttting Poles and
other Easterners on a non restrictive basis. The British economy is
benefiiting. The french evonomy isn't. Anyway the pot calling the
kettle black is not going to solver henispheric problems.

Since when did America take a lead from France?. France is no friend of
Britain's, or Mexico's.

Mexicans Vow to Keep Coming
 

Rob Arndt wrote:
Hey, why don't we just create an INS Illegal Immigration Foreign
Legion, subordinate to the US Army? That way, when the beaners cross
over we can swear them in and then send them immediately over to Iraq
outside the Green Zone. That would easily fill in the extra 130,000
troops we need there and US Army recruiters could stop patrolling
Wal-Mart parking lots for Negros and Mexican-Americans (aka Cannon
Fodder).

I think if we opened a few Taco Bells in Iraq and added a "Burrito with
pinto beans and Spanish rice" MRE the INS Foreign Legion would do just
fine.

And if the beaners lose Juan over in Iraq, not to worry... they can
have Carlos, Miguel, Arturo... ad infinitum! Mexicans tend to be
breeders so I can see your average illegal immigrant family taking 3
tours to have any effect on them!

The downside, of course, would be the INS troops selling their M-4s and
other US equipment to send money back to Mexico!!! But the US Army

Normally citizenship is granted on completion of service. The Romans
even gave you a plot of land.
would have the cleanest latrines in the world and best KP service!!!

Rob

Mexicans Vow to Keep Coming
 

wrote:
Graphic Queen wrote:
Those who want to come to the USA, in violation of our immigration
laws, will continue to come, until and unless, we the American people,
defeat their morale. As long as they hold out the hopes and dreams, of
reaching the "land of milk and honey" or the "pot of gold at the end
of the rainbow", then we will continue to face them. They come for
opportunity, but face the reality of market saturation, hunger and
suffering. There are not enough jobs, or resources to support them at
this rate.

We must also defeat the morale of the illegals already here, and
motivate them to self-deport. We must cut off their supplies of water
and food. We must deter their enablers who assist them, and the
transporters who move them. We must stop the employers who provide
them employment.

Our governments have proved, in the past and present, that they can
make immigration laws, as long as the lumberjacks can fell trees and
the paper mills can make paper, but all the immigration laws written,
on the by-products of all the dead trees, don't mean anything without
enforcement. Our governments, from federal to local, have proven
dysfunctional, in the enforcement of immigration laws.

We must rise up and defend our Constitution against all enemies both
foreign and domestic.
We must carry the torch, and scythe, and enforce our immigration laws,
so as to end this quagmire.
We shall remember in November, and beyond, those traitors and tyrants,
who have betrayed our trust, and our sovereignty.

It is in our hands to remove the illegals from our nation, and to
defeat the efforts of those who will try to violate our immigration
laws.

We must rise and repel the invaders, at the borders, and evict those
aliens in our towns.

You the people of the United States of America, have the power of
citizenship and the duty and honor, under the US Constitution, and
within the Bill of rights, to protect this nation, now, or forever
allow it to be surrendered to the invading forces.

What say you my fellow patriots? rise and fight--or-- surrender?

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
'It will always be like this'
As Bush tries to stop migrants, Mexicans vow to continue illegal trips
north

NOGALES, Mexico - Mexicans say it will take more than three layers of
fence and 6,000 National Guard troops to keep them out of the United
States.

As President Bush visited the stretch of Arizona desert Thursday that
serves as a cactus-studded freeway for thousands of undocumented
migrants, those preparing to make the perilous trip said they will
find a way around almost any obstacle.

"We'll go under it, we'll go over it, we'll go through the air, the
sea or the earth, but they're never going to stop us from crossing,"
said Jesus Santana, a Tijuana truck driver who was caught trying to
cross and deported.

Increased security will likely only serve to make smuggling fees more
expensive and drive immigrants deeper into debt, making them even more
desperate to make it north.

As a tired, bedraggled column of deportees filed across a Nogales
border bridge Thursday - just as Bush was giving a speech on border
security west of here - some migrants were already furiously dialing
cell phones to contact immigrant smugglers for their next attempt.

"Of course we'll cross again. We're just waiting for them to come and
pick us up," said Javier Torres, 22, of Cuiliacan, Sinaloa. Just 100
yards away, vans of the kind used by smugglers waited under an
underpass to pick up groups of deportees.

The deportees were greeted on the Mexican side by Martin Doriane, who
for the last four years has surveyed returning migrants for the
Colegio de la Frontera Norte.

Doraine says at least 95 percent of migrants caught and deported say
they'll try again, in part because they've sold everything they own in
Mexico to pay increasingly expensive and sophisticated smuggling
efforts to overcome tightened border security.

"They say, 'I had a roof and a frying pan in Mexico, but I sold both
to come north and went into debt, so what do I have to return to?"'
Doraine said.

Seeking 'a different life'
One of the deportees, Maria del Carmen Valadez, brought her
12-year-old son, Julio Cesar Castaneda, on the dangerous two-day trek
through the desert. The boy hungrily ate a taco Doriane gave him as
his mother acknowledged "it is a risk" to bring a child on such a
dangerous trip.

"I did it to give him a different life," said Valadez, of Fresnillo in
Zacatecas in northern Mexico. She said she'll probably try to cross
again, because in her hometown, "there's nothing but poverty."

That sense of desperation - and determination - is everywhere.

On Monday, a detained woman told agents she had left her 3-year-old
son dead in the desert.

The proposed 370 miles of triple-layer fencing, approved by the Senate
Wednesday, as well as Bush's plan to send National Guard troops to
play supporting roles in border enforcement, has raised tempers and
tensions here.

"Somebody is going to start shooting, and then there will be problems
between the two countries," predicted Santana, the Tijuana truck
driver.

Mexico airs concerns
Mexico's government has expressed concern about the wall and National
Guard proposals, saying they aren't the way to solve problems of
border security and illegal migration north.

"Most countries want to bring their people together and tear down
physical, commercial and cultural barriers," presidential spokesman
Ruben Aguilar said Thursday. "Anyone who proposes separating them is
out of line. Walls are a sign of distrust, and that will never be the
basis of a good friendship between two countries."

The Senate measure includes provisions that would give some
undocumented immigrants a path toward citizenship and allow more
people to work temporarily in the United States.

But Santana said he saw no advances in the sweeping reform package.

"There will always be more people wanting to come," he said. "It will
always be like this."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12860863/
--

Constitution of Mexico:

FOREIGNERS may NOT, in any manner, involve themselves in the political affairs of the COUNTRY!

The supreme kisser of hispanic butts, President Bush, and most of the
US Senate should be on trial for treason. They have failed to protect
our southern border and have pushed for legislation that would increase
the flooding of America by third-world aliens. A problem is that the
old "Silent Majority" is mostly a collection of lard-assed, feminized,
PC'd, White males. Worthless.

Arch

http://www.newnation.com/index2.html New Nation News

Mexicans Vow to Keep Coming
 

wrote:
Graphic Queen wrote:
Those who want to come to the USA, in violation of our immigration
laws, will continue to come, until and unless, we the American people,
defeat their morale. As long as they hold out the hopes and dreams, of
reaching the "land of milk and honey" or the "pot of gold at the end
of the rainbow", then we will continue to face them. They come for
opportunity, but face the reality of market saturation, hunger and
suffering. There are not enough jobs, or resources to support them at
this rate.

We must also defeat the morale of the illegals already here, and
motivate them to self-deport. We must cut off their supplies of water
and food. We must deter their enablers who assist them, and the
transporters who move them. We must stop the employers who provide
them employment.

Our governments have proved, in the past and present, that they can
make immigration laws, as long as the lumberjacks can fell trees and
the paper mills can make paper, but all the immigration laws written,
on the by-products of all the dead trees, don't mean anything without
enforcement. Our governments, from federal to local, have proven
dysfunctional, in the enforcement of immigration laws.

We must rise up and defend our Constitution against all enemies both
foreign and domestic.
We must carry the torch, and scythe, and enforce our immigration laws,
so as to end this quagmire.
We shall remember in November, and beyond, those traitors and tyrants,
who have betrayed our trust, and our sovereignty.

It is in our hands to remove the illegals from our nation, and to
defeat the efforts of those who will try to violate our immigration
laws.

We must rise and repel the invaders, at the borders, and evict those
aliens in our towns.

You the people of the United States of America, have the power of
citizenship and the duty and honor, under the US Constitution, and
within the Bill of rights, to protect this nation, now, or forever
allow it to be surrendered to the invading forces.

What say you my fellow patriots? rise and fight--or-- surrender?

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
'It will always be like this'
As Bush tries to stop migrants, Mexicans vow to continue illegal trips
north

NOGALES, Mexico - Mexicans say it will take more than three layers of
fence and 6,000 National Guard troops to keep them out of the United
States.

As President Bush visited the stretch of Arizona desert Thursday that
serves as a cactus-studded freeway for thousands of undocumented
migrants, those preparing to make the perilous trip said they will
find a way around almost any obstacle.

"We'll go under it, we'll go over it, we'll go through the air, the
sea or the earth, but they're never going to stop us from crossing,"
said Jesus Santana, a Tijuana truck driver who was caught trying to
cross and deported.

Increased security will likely only serve to make smuggling fees more
expensive and drive immigrants deeper into debt, making them even more
desperate to make it north.

As a tired, bedraggled column of deportees filed across a Nogales
border bridge Thursday - just as Bush was giving a speech on border
security west of here - some migrants were already furiously dialing
cell phones to contact immigrant smugglers for their next attempt.

"Of course we'll cross again. We're just waiting for them to come and
pick us up," said Javier Torres, 22, of Cuiliacan, Sinaloa. Just 100
yards away, vans of the kind used by smugglers waited under an
underpass to pick up groups of deportees.

The deportees were greeted on the Mexican side by Martin Doriane, who
for the last four years has surveyed returning migrants for the
Colegio de la Frontera Norte.

Doraine says at least 95 percent of migrants caught and deported say
they'll try again, in part because they've sold everything they own in
Mexico to pay increasingly expensive and sophisticated smuggling
efforts to overcome tightened border security.

"They say, 'I had a roof and a frying pan in Mexico, but I sold both
to come north and went into debt, so what do I have to return to?"'
Doraine said.

Seeking 'a different life'
One of the deportees, Maria del Carmen Valadez, brought her
12-year-old son, Julio Cesar Castaneda, on the dangerous two-day trek
through the desert. The boy hungrily ate a taco Doriane gave him as
his mother acknowledged "it is a risk" to bring a child on such a
dangerous trip.

"I did it to give him a different life," said Valadez, of Fresnillo in
Zacatecas in northern Mexico. She said she'll probably try to cross
again, because in her hometown, "there's nothing but poverty."

That sense of desperation - and determination - is everywhere.

On Monday, a detained woman told agents she had left her 3-year-old
son dead in the desert.

The proposed 370 miles of triple-layer fencing, approved by the Senate
Wednesday, as well as Bush's plan to send National Guard troops to
play supporting roles in border enforcement, has raised tempers and
tensions here.

"Somebody is going to start shooting, and then there will be problems
between the two countries," predicted Santana, the Tijuana truck
driver.

Mexico airs concerns
Mexico's government has expressed concern about the wall and National
Guard proposals, saying they aren't the way to solve problems of
border security and illegal migration north.

"Most countries want to bring their people together and tear down
physical, commercial and cultural barriers," presidential spokesman
Ruben Aguilar said Thursday. "Anyone who proposes separating them is
out of line. Walls are a sign of distrust, and that will never be the
basis of a good friendship between two countries."

The Senate measure includes provisions that would give some
undocumented immigrants a path toward citizenship and allow more
people to work temporarily in the United States.

But Santana said he saw no advances in the sweeping reform package.

"There will always be more people wanting to come," he said. "It will
always be like this."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12860863/
--

Constitution of Mexico:

FOREIGNERS may NOT, in any manner, involve themselves in the political affairs of the COUNTRY!

The supreme kisser of hispanic butts, President Bush, and most of the
US Senate should be on trial for treason. They have failed to protect
our southern border and have pushed for legislation that would increase
the flooding of America by third-world aliens. A problem is that the
old "Silent Majority" is mostly a collection of lard-assed, feminized,
PC'd, White males. Worthless.

Arch

http://www.newnation.com/index2.html New Nation News

Mexicans Vow to Keep Coming
 

wrote:
...
The only plus of the EU, here, is that having these immigration hassles
as a state-level decision enables sensible states (Ireland, the UK,
Sweden, ...) to have much saner immigration policies, while, in the US,
...
Could I say that my own country Great Nritain is admitttting Poles and
other Easterners on a non restrictive basis. The British economy is

You could say it, but it would duplicate what I just wrote (and you
quoted, and I'm re-quoting:-) by listing the UK (which presumably means
the same as "Great Nritain", although I must admit not being familiar
with any country which spells its name that way:-) among the "sensible
states" with "much saner immigration policies".

benefiiting. The french evonomy isn't. Anyway the pot calling the
kettle black is not going to solver henispheric problems.

Who said anything about _solving_? I'm just disputing the claim that
mobility of labor *IS* (as opposed to "should be") working in the EU: it
isn't (though it should be) due to the resistance of big continental
countries (Italy and Germany as well as France) -- the only plus is that
sensible countries get to follow more sensible policies... which, as I
said, unfortunately does not apply in the US: Federal power is too
strong here, so sensible states may still have to toe the line no matter
what _their_ voters think. E.g.,
http://www.strausnews.com/articles/2...pendent/news/9
..txt: "New Jerseyans by a two-to-one margin favor legalizing
undocumented immigrants who have worked in the United States for at
least two years ... 69 percent of Democrats surveyed supporting
legalization for immigrants already here, compared to 62 percent of
Republicans";
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/15071773.htm: "53
percent of Californians and 50 percent of voters said they favor a path
to citizenship for illegal immigrants. About 34 percent of adults in the
state, and 35 percent of voters, oppose the plan" -- it's hardly a
partisan issue here, more of a generational one, "Among residents 18 to
34 years old, 68 percent said they support the idea, and 19 percent said
they oppose it. But among residents 55 and older, 41 percent said they
favor allowing illegal immigrants to gain legal status, with 46 percent
opposed".

But, of course, US reactionaries only CLAIM to support "states' rights"
when some states want to deviate from federal norms in a direction that
the right-wing LIKES -- they show their true colors when states want to
vary in a direction they hate, as already shown, e.g., in their reaction
against all states choosing to allow medical use of cannabis.


Since when did America take a lead from France?. France is no friend of
Britain's, or Mexico's.

I believe America "took a lead from France" a bit over 230 years ago,
when they rebelled against you guys and managed to secede with some
minor help from a French expeditionary force (Lafayette is still
remembered rather fondly around here because of that); after that, the
rapport between the USA and France has gone through a lot of ups and
downs (for example, the Statue of Liberty was a gift to the US from
France during one of the ups) -- just like the rapport between the USA
and the UK, after all, albeit the peaks and throughs came usually at
different times. I'm not sure what this (albeit fascinating) historical
discussion may have to do with the debate, mind you, but I always find
historical analysis fascinating as an end in itself, anyway:).

As for friendship between countries, I'm not sure how to measure it; I
do know that France is the 11th largest supplier, 14th largest customer,
and 7th largest investor (FDI) in Mexico, for example
(http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/cou...o_435/france-a
nd-mexico_3114/economic-relations_3683.html) while France's ties with
the UK are much closer (3rd biggest customer, 5th biggest supplier, 3rd
largest investor for FDI...). But do close economic ties mean
"friendship"...?


Alex

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On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:20:16 GMT, Alotta Fagina
wrote:

You wrote:




If it would have stopped the IDF from bulldozing an AMERICAN in cold
blood, I sure as hell would have.


pardon me, but NOBODY told here to go there, and NOBODY told her to
stand in front of a bulldozer blade.

But the IDF DID tell that soldier to plow her over. BTW, YOUR tax dollars
paid for that bulldozer. While American children starve. Merry Christmas.
Which American Children are those? The children of crack whores who
are typically Democrats?


And honestly, because of her deed, I don't have much sympathy for her
death.

I will have none for yours, and hope for its speedy arrival.

And I for yours.

Gunner



"If I'm going to reach out to the the Democrats then I need a third
hand.There's no way I'm letting go of my wallet or my gun while they're
around."

"Democrat. In the dictionary it's right after demobilize and right
before demode` (out of fashion).
-Buddy Jordan 2001

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Alex Martelli wrote:

As for friendship between countries, I'm not sure how to measure it; I
do know that France is the 11th largest supplier, 14th largest customer,
and 7th largest investor (FDI) in Mexico, for example
(http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/cou...o_435/france-a
nd-mexico_3114/economic-relations_3683.html) while France's ties with
the UK are much closer (3rd biggest customer, 5th biggest supplier, 3rd
largest investor for FDI...). But do close economic ties mean
"friendship"...?

What you say here is quite important. Does trade follow the flag, or
does it follow the cheapest and highest quality.

If trade "follows the flag" then this is indeed a great distortion. The
Great and the Good (the GGs) tend rather to speak with forked tongue on
this. They pay lip service to such organizations as the WTO, yet they
insist on the "flag".

The point you made about medicinal cannabis is a good one. To be fair
though cannabis is not a pure substance. There are a large number of
Cannaboids each with a somewhat different pharmacological action. You
need to be able to produce known compositions reproducibly before you
can really use cannabis medicinally. However you are right the Right
wing states rights lobby are NOT pharmacists.

On states rights I did mention a wall round Wisconsin rather jokingly.
However the point is an important one. What freedom should people be
given to roam? Why stop at a wall between Spanish speaking and English
speaking America?

There is of course an overall EU immigation policy. I would still
however claim that economic progress in places like Morocco is the long
term answer. In any case the restriction external to the EU do not
parallel those of Mexico.

1) There is NAFTS or rather NAFF TA as I call it. The purpose of that
should be to iron out differences.

2) The US is getting MORE restictive with time. Up to the 1960s there
were NO restrictions on the Western Hemishere.

Iraq is a long way away. However if the US loses it in the Western
Hemisphere its days as a global power are numbered. Sheer arithmetic is
against it.

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Alotta Fagina wrote:
You wrote:


Alex Martelli wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
...
Whatever you say anti-semite terror puppet.

I'd just like to point out that, since the Arabs are Semites every bit
as much as the Jews are, anybody who's pro-Arab, whatever else they may
be, cannot *by definition* be an anti-semite.

Using "anti-semite" to tag somebody who allegedly favours one group of
Semites over another is fully as idiotic as using "anti-american" to tag
somebody accused of favouring Iowa over Ohio, or "anti-european" to tag
somebody accused of favouring Luxembourg over Belgium.


Alex

Hitler

Godwin. Thread over. You lose.

Let me know when they set up the Arab extermination camps...

Let me know the name of one Arab who participated in the Holocaust.


Here you go:

Mufti of Jerusalem

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/mufti.html

The Waffen SS had tens of thousands of Muslims in several divisions
that hunted down and killed Jews in Europe while the Arabs urged a Nazi
Arab League and Brigade while the fighting went on in N Africa.
Although the Nazis were forced out before these units could be created,
the Arabs were on the Nazi side BEFORE WW2 even began and lamented that
Hitler did not exterminate them all in the postwar world.

There are those in Europe, Russia, Latin America, and Mid East that
STILL praise Hitler for killing Jews.

Rob

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Bid four clubs in second seat.

wrote:
Graphic Queen wrote:
Those who want to come to the USA, in violation of our immigration
laws, will continue to come, until and unless, we the American people,
defeat their morale. As long as they hold out the hopes and dreams, of
reaching the "land of milk and honey" or the "pot of gold at the end
of the rainbow", then we will continue to face them. They come for
opportunity, but face the reality of market saturation, hunger and
suffering. There are not enough jobs, or resources to support them at
this rate.

We must also defeat the morale of the illegals already here, and
motivate them to self-deport. We must cut off their supplies of water
and food. We must deter their enablers who assist them, and the
transporters who move them. We must stop the employers who provide
them employment.

Our governments have proved, in the past and present, that they can
make immigration laws, as long as the lumberjacks can fell trees and
the paper mills can make paper, but all the immigration laws written,
on the by-products of all the dead trees, don't mean anything without
enforcement. Our governments, from federal to local, have proven
dysfunctional, in the enforcement of immigration laws.

We must rise up and defend our Constitution against all enemies both
foreign and domestic.
We must carry the torch, and scythe, and enforce our immigration laws,
so as to end this quagmire.
We shall remember in November, and beyond, those traitors and tyrants,
who have betrayed our trust, and our sovereignty.

It is in our hands to remove the illegals from our nation, and to
defeat the efforts of those who will try to violate our immigration
laws.

We must rise and repel the invaders, at the borders, and evict those
aliens in our towns.

You the people of the United States of America, have the power of
citizenship and the duty and honor, under the US Constitution, and
within the Bill of rights, to protect this nation, now, or forever
allow it to be surrendered to the invading forces.

What say you my fellow patriots? rise and fight--or-- surrender?

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'It will always be like this'
As Bush tries to stop migrants, Mexicans vow to continue illegal trips
north

NOGALES, Mexico - Mexicans say it will take more than three layers of
fence and 6,000 National Guard troops to keep them out of the United
States.

As President Bush visited the stretch of Arizona desert Thursday that
serves as a cactus-studded freeway for thousands of undocumented
migrants, those preparing to make the perilous trip said they will
find a way around almost any obstacle.

"We'll go under it, we'll go over it, we'll go through the air, the
sea or the earth, but they're never going to stop us from crossing,"
said Jesus Santana, a Tijuana truck driver who was caught trying to
cross and deported.

Increased security will likely only serve to make smuggling fees more
expensive and drive immigrants deeper into debt, making them even more
desperate to make it north.

As a tired, bedraggled column of deportees filed across a Nogales
border bridge Thursday - just as Bush was giving a speech on border
security west of here - some migrants were already furiously dialing
cell phones to contact immigrant smugglers for their next attempt.

"Of course we'll cross again. We're just waiting for them to come and
pick us up," said Javier Torres, 22, of Cuiliacan, Sinaloa. Just 100
yards away, vans of the kind used by smugglers waited under an
underpass to pick up groups of deportees.

The deportees were greeted on the Mexican side by Martin Doriane, who
for the last four years has surveyed returning migrants for the
Colegio de la Frontera Norte.

Doraine says at least 95 percent of migrants caught and deported say
they'll try again, in part because they've sold everything they own in
Mexico to pay increasingly expensive and sophisticated smuggling
efforts to overcome tightened border security.

"They say, 'I had a roof and a frying pan in Mexico, but I sold both
to come north and went into debt, so what do I have to return to?"'
Doraine said.

Seeking 'a different life'
One of the deportees, Maria del Carmen Valadez, brought her
12-year-old son, Julio Cesar Castaneda, on the dangerous two-day trek
through the desert. The boy hungrily ate a taco Doriane gave him as
his mother acknowledged "it is a risk" to bring a child on such a
dangerous trip.

"I did it to give him a different life," said Valadez, of Fresnillo in
Zacatecas in northern Mexico. She said she'll probably try to cross
again, because in her hometown, "there's nothing but poverty."

That sense of desperation - and determination - is everywhere.

On Monday, a detained woman told agents she had left her 3-year-old
son dead in the desert.

The proposed 370 miles of triple-layer fencing, approved by the Senate
Wednesday, as well as Bush's plan to send National Guard troops to
play supporting roles in border enforcement, has raised tempers and
tensions here.

"Somebody is going to start shooting, and then there will be problems
between the two countries," predicted Santana, the Tijuana truck
driver.

Mexico airs concerns
Mexico's government has expressed concern about the wall and National
Guard proposals, saying they aren't the way to solve problems of
border security and illegal migration north.

"Most countries want to bring their people together and tear down
physical, commercial and cultural barriers," presidential spokesman
Ruben Aguilar said Thursday. "Anyone who proposes separating them is
out of line. Walls are a sign of distrust, and that will never be the
basis of a good friendship between two countries."

The Senate measure includes provisions that would give some
undocumented immigrants a path toward citizenship and allow more
people to work temporarily in the United States.

But Santana said he saw no advances in the sweeping reform package.

"There will always be more people wanting to come," he said. "It will
always be like this."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12860863/
--

Constitution of Mexico:

FOREIGNERS may NOT, in any manner, involve themselves in the political affairs of the COUNTRY!

The supreme kisser of hispanic butts, President Bush, and most of the
US Senate should be on trial for treason. They have failed to protect
our southern border and have pushed for legislation that would increase
the flooding of America by third-world aliens. A problem is that the
old "Silent Majority" is mostly a collection of lard-assed, feminized,
PC'd, White males. Worthless.

Arch

http://www.newnation.com/index2.html New Nation News

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Adam Beneschan wrote:

Alex Martelli wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
...
Whatever you say anti-semite terror puppet.

I'd just like to point out that, since the Arabs are Semites every bit
as much as the Jews are, anybody who's pro-Arab, whatever else they may
be, cannot *by definition* be an anti-semite.

Sorry, Alex, you're wrong here. The problem here is that you're making
sense, and you assume that language should make sense too. But it
doesn't, necessarily. The dictionary says that "anti-Semite" has
specifically to do with hostility toward Jews, so that's what the
definition is, period---regardless of what it looks like it *ought* to
mean. (My source is www.m-w.com, in case it matters.)

Yes, the word ought to mean what it says. Though it of course does
not. The thing is, it was coined as a kind of coy, school marmish
euphemism - should have been 'anti-jewish', meant it, actually spoke
from shelter of one level of abstraction.



SNIP