wrote:

On 17 Jul 2006 17:49:04 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Wrong group, unless they're coming by boat.
That's the Haitians and Cubans

And after all the immigrants coming to the US in order to play bridge as
"Americans" (Benito Garozzo from Italy, Zia Mahmood from Pakistan,
Michael Rosenberg from Scotland, ...) tend to be
world-championship-level players, typically of middle-upper or
upper-class extraction, and therefore the kind of "immigrants" to whom
red carpets tend to be laid for (not sure about those who come here to
write books, or to practice metalworking as a craft, but I suspect the
situation might be similar). *Un*welcome immigrants are only those who
come in to do *useful, indispensable, low-pay* work, such as
house-cleaning -- they *are*, after all, lower-class! (Immigrants like
me, come here for hightech work, fall in a gray zone -- yes, our work IS
precious to the US economy, which would suggest we should be unwelcome,
but OTOH we're pretty well-paid and most often middle-class... so, we're
not quite as loathed by the average redneck as the most useful and
lowest-paid ones, but neither are we as welcome as bridgeplayers &c!-).


Alex

Alex Martelli wrote:
wrote:

On 17 Jul 2006 17:49:04 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Wrong group, unless they're coming by boat.
That's the Haitians and Cubans

And after all the immigrants coming to the US in order to play bridge as
"Americans" (Benito Garozzo from Italy, Zia Mahmood from Pakistan,
Michael Rosenberg from Scotland, ...) tend to be
world-championship-level players, typically of middle-upper or
upper-class extraction, and therefore the kind of "immigrants" to whom
red carpets tend to be laid for (not sure about those who come here to
write books, or to practice metalworking as a craft, but I suspect the
situation might be similar). *Un*welcome immigrants are only those who
come in to do *useful, indispensable, low-pay* work, such as
house-cleaning -- they *are*, after all, lower-class! (Immigrants like
me, come here for hightech work, fall in a gray zone -- yes, our work IS
precious to the US economy, which would suggest we should be unwelcome,
but OTOH we're pretty well-paid and most often middle-class... so, we're
not quite as loathed by the average redneck as the most useful and
lowest-paid ones, but neither are we as welcome as bridgeplayers &c!-).


Alex

We must stop them!

I think some swede just won the LMpairs good grief
What next Canadians playing for the USA
Good grief if you let some Italian guy named Garozzo, who ever that is,
in our country marrying our rich american women,what next?
Do we really want all these "people" playing, making money and sleeping
with our rich American female sponsors...this must Stop!

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:13:52 -0700, (Alex Martelli) wrote:

wrote:

On 17 Jul 2006 17:49:04 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Wrong group, unless they're coming by boat.
That's the Haitians and Cubans

And after all the immigrants coming to the US in order to play bridge as
"Americans" (Benito Garozzo from Italy, Zia Mahmood from Pakistan,
Michael Rosenberg from Scotland, ...) tend to be
world-championship-level players, typically of middle-upper or
upper-class extraction, and therefore the kind of "immigrants" to whom
red carpets tend to be laid for (not sure about those who come here to
write books, or to practice metalworking as a craft, but I suspect the
situation might be similar). *Un*welcome immigrants are only those who
come in to do *useful, indispensable, low-pay* work, such as
house-cleaning -- they *are*, after all, lower-class! (Immigrants like
me, come here for hightech work, fall in a gray zone -- yes, our work IS
precious to the US economy, which would suggest we should be unwelcome,
but OTOH we're pretty well-paid and most often middle-class... so, we're
not quite as loathed by the average redneck as the most useful and
lowest-paid ones, but neither are we as welcome as bridgeplayers &c!-).


Alex

Are you here legally or illegally?

Gunner


The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose
and for someone else to pay when things go wrong.

In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology
has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence,
and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years
.. It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints,
and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been
as swift and complete as the collapse of British power.

Theodore Dalrymple,

Alex Martelli wrote:

so, we're
not quite as loathed by the average redneck as the most useful and
lowest-paid ones, but neither are we as welcome as bridgeplayers &c!-).

I think the key issue here is that immigrants bring their deviant,
abominable practices and customs with them and impose them on the rest
of us here, forcing us to deal with strange, incomprehensible notions
like POLISH CLUB and GHESTEM and MEXICAN TWO DIAMONDS and FORCING
PASSES and VINJE SIGNALS and God knows what other abominations.
They've even started merging parts of our culture with ours, so that
we're starting to see things like SOUTH AFRICAN TEXAS and RUSSIAN
CHICAGO. This must be opposed by every red-blooded, patriotic American
who wishes to keep our culture pure and based on the traditional
American pillars of FIVE-CARD MAJORS, STAYMAN (*), and BLACKWOOD. We
must stop them!

(*) And just to show you how bad things have gotten, there are even
people who claim that our beloved American "Stayman" convention was
really invented by some guy with a French last name, or worse, by an
Englishman named Marx. This proves that as soon as we start letting
foreigners dictate our conventions, Marxism is just around the corner.

-- Adam

On 18 Jul 2006 10:47:50 -0700, "Adam Beneschan" wrote:

Alex Martelli wrote:

so, we're
not quite as loathed by the average redneck as the most useful and
lowest-paid ones, but neither are we as welcome as bridgeplayers &c!-).

I think the key issue here is that immigrants bring their deviant,
abominable practices and customs with them and impose them on the rest
of us here, forcing us to deal with strange, incomprehensible notions
like POLISH CLUB and GHESTEM and MEXICAN TWO DIAMONDS and FORCING
PASSES and VINJE SIGNALS and God knows what other abominations.
They've even started merging parts of our culture with ours, so that
we're starting to see things like SOUTH AFRICAN TEXAS and RUSSIAN
CHICAGO. This must be opposed by every red-blooded, patriotic American
who wishes to keep our culture pure and based on the traditional
American pillars of FIVE-CARD MAJORS, STAYMAN (*), and BLACKWOOD. We
must stop them!

(*) And just to show you how bad things have gotten, there are even
people who claim that our beloved American "Stayman" convention was
really invented by some guy with a French last name, or worse, by an
Englishman named Marx. This proves that as soon as we start letting
foreigners dictate our conventions, Marxism is just around the corner.

-- Adam


Damn, And I didn't realize that bridge was so political :-)


Mark Rand
RTFM