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Speaking of high fuel prices,
JimH wrote: "Bryan" wrote in message .net... "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... Mr Wizzard wrote: Seriously, most of us are driving 4, and 6 cylinder 3, and 4L engines, and not doing it everyday, so its _not_ really hurting us like you may think it is. But Semi Trucks don't and they struggle to get better than 6 mpg. Not counting all the fiberglass, plastic, and that you wouldn't imagine being made out of petroleum. it all leads to prices going up in every comodity. " Huh " ? ...The guy was talking about "what to do about his boating"... The price of gas is on my mind every time I fill my car or my boat these days. Not me. There is nothing you can do about it. I burn around 2.5 gallons/hour. So a couple of hours running the boat now costs me about $16. If prices double I will be out an whole extra $16. Big deal. I often see statements like that in these discussions about rising gas prices. Couldn't these extra 16 buckses add up to something over the course of a whole boating season? And doesn't the expense of driving your car to and from work and everywhere else also eventually come into the equation? I wish I were financially independent and money was "no object" in my life. richforman The more I have to tighten my belt due to the rising cost of goods and services due to the rising cost of fuel, the more I consider the affordability of taking my boat out for a spin. Each of us has our own breaking point. You also have a small boat so start looking at it in real numbers rather than letting it ruin your day. It is the folks with the big boats who are taking the hit. |
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Speaking of high fuel prices,
On 17 Jul 2006 14:58:58 -0700, "JimH" wrote:
wrote: JimH wrote: "Bryan" wrote in message .net... "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... Mr Wizzard wrote: Seriously, most of us are driving 4, and 6 cylinder 3, and 4L engines, and not doing it everyday, so its _not_ really hurting us like you may think it is. But Semi Trucks don't and they struggle to get better than 6 mpg. Not counting all the fiberglass, plastic, and that you wouldn't imagine being made out of petroleum. it all leads to prices going up in every comodity. " Huh " ? ...The guy was talking about "what to do about his boating"... The price of gas is on my mind every time I fill my car or my boat these days. Not me. There is nothing you can do about it. I burn around 2.5 gallons/hour. So a couple of hours running the boat now costs me about $16. If prices double I will be out an whole extra $16. Big deal. I often see statements like that in these discussions about rising gas prices. Couldn't these extra 16 buckses add up to something over the course of a whole boating season? And doesn't the expense of driving your car to and from work and everywhere else also eventually come into the equation? I wish I were financially independent and money was "no object" in my life. richforman Let's see. 6 months of boating x $16 = $96 worth of pure family enjoyment. That adds up to a whopping $0.53/day. Yep, I am financially independent and $0.53/day is no object to me. ;-) Get real Rich. If your finances hang on $0.53/day then you cannot afford a boat. This is a hobby, not a necessity. ;-) I come up with something like $2880, but I could be off a hair. -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John |
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Speaking of high fuel prices,
JohnH wrote: On 17 Jul 2006 14:58:58 -0700, "JimH" wrote: wrote: JimH wrote: "Bryan" wrote in message .net... "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... Mr Wizzard wrote: Seriously, most of us are driving 4, and 6 cylinder 3, and 4L engines, and not doing it everyday, so its _not_ really hurting us like you may think it is. But Semi Trucks don't and they struggle to get better than 6 mpg. Not counting all the fiberglass, plastic, and that you wouldn't imagine being made out of petroleum. it all leads to prices going up in every comodity. " Huh " ? ...The guy was talking about "what to do about his boating"... The price of gas is on my mind every time I fill my car or my boat these days. Not me. There is nothing you can do about it. I burn around 2.5 gallons/hour. So a couple of hours running the boat now costs me about $16. If prices double I will be out an whole extra $16. Big deal. I often see statements like that in these discussions about rising gas prices. Couldn't these extra 16 buckses add up to something over the course of a whole boating season? And doesn't the expense of driving your car to and from work and everywhere else also eventually come into the equation? I wish I were financially independent and money was "no object" in my life. richforman Let's see. 6 months of boating x $16 = $96 worth of pure family enjoyment. That adds up to a whopping $0.53/day. Yep, I am financially independent and $0.53/day is no object to me. ;-) Get real Rich. If your finances hang on $0.53/day then you cannot afford a boat. This is a hobby, not a necessity. ;-) I come up with something like $2880, but I could be off a hair. -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John Oops, you are correct that I did not post the right figure. The $16 was per trip. Let's be real though. No boater takes the boat out and runs it for several hours each and every day over a 6 month period. I think we can agree that 2 x week over a 6 month period is more reasonable. So, $16 x 2 x 26 = $832 $832/182.5 days = $4.55/day Many folks blow that much money at Mickey D's for lunch every day. But if it is truly a budget buster then you need to give up the *luxury* of owning a boat or cut down on the amount of time you run it. We can spend the entire day anchored near the beach with only a 1.5hour total run time. Remember also that I took the example to an extreme..........having the price of gas double from it's present level. Thanks for being on top of my post and catching my mistake within minutes of posting it John. ;-) |
Speaking of high fuel prices,
-- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John |
Speaking of high fuel prices,
Bryan wrote: " JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message . .. "Bryan" wrote in message .net... "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... Mr Wizzard wrote: Seriously, most of us are driving 4, and 6 cylinder 3, and 4L engines, and not doing it everyday, so its _not_ really hurting us like you may think it is. But Semi Trucks don't and they struggle to get better than 6 mpg. Not counting all the fiberglass, plastic, and that you wouldn't imagine being made out of petroleum. it all leads to prices going up in every comodity. " Huh " ? ...The guy was talking about "what to do about his boating"... The price of gas is on my mind every time I fill my car or my boat these days. Not me. There is nothing you can do about it. I burn around 2.5 gallons/hour. So a couple of hours running the boat now costs me about $16. If prices double I will be out an whole extra $16. Big deal. The more I have to tighten my belt due to the rising cost of goods and services due to the rising cost of fuel, the more I consider the affordability of taking my boat out for a spin. Each of us has our own breaking point. You also have a small boat so start looking at it in real numbers rather than letting it ruin your day. It is the folks with the big boats who are taking the hit. I'm with you on that, Jim. I was trying to express the idea that it's not just the cost of boating that will cause some people to feel the negative pressures of rising fuel prices on their luxury hobby, small boat or large. The bottom line is that the overall cost of living will cause financial stress of varying magnitudes for each of us and for some it will affect their boating. It is funny to see how folks have made assumptions that the $16/outing is going to bring you to financial ruins. All I originally asked is for you to put things into perspective.........do a cost/benefit analysis. For me (and I would guess you too) that $16 can be made up in other ways. The joy of sharing a day on the water with your family has no price tag and results in lifelong memories for all. Sorry to see that my initial statement (and subsequent math error) has resulted in negative and attack posts by others. Perhaps they need to get out on the water more with their loved ones and less time in front of the computer. ;-) |
Speaking of high fuel prices,
"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. I ran Yo Ho at "trawler speed" this past weekend, about 8 mph. Fuel flow gauge showed 1.1 to 1.4 gallons per hour. Boat handles just fine at those low speeds, too, and tracks like an arrow. The engine is so quiet at those low RPMs, you can barely tell it is running. Ah! Another convert in the making. Eisboch |
Speaking of high fuel prices,
"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: JimH wrote: "Bryan" wrote in message .net... "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... Mr Wizzard wrote: Seriously, most of us are driving 4, and 6 cylinder 3, and 4L engines, and not doing it everyday, so its _not_ really hurting us like you may think it is. But Semi Trucks don't and they struggle to get better than 6 mpg. Not counting all the fiberglass, plastic, and that you wouldn't imagine being made out of petroleum. it all leads to prices going up in every comodity. " Huh " ? ...The guy was talking about "what to do about his boating"... The price of gas is on my mind every time I fill my car or my boat these days. Not me. There is nothing you can do about it. I burn around 2.5 gallons/hour. So a couple of hours running the boat now costs me about $16. If prices double I will be out an whole extra $16. Big deal. I often see statements like that in these discussions about rising gas prices. Couldn't these extra 16 buckses add up to something over the course of a whole boating season? And doesn't the expense of driving your car to and from work and everywhere else also eventually come into the equation? I wish I were financially independent and money was "no object" in my life. richforman Let's see. 6 months of boating x $16 = $96 worth of pure family enjoyment. That adds up to a whopping $0.53/day. Yep, I am financially independent and $0.53/day is no object to me. ;-) Get real Rich. If your finances hang on $0.53/day then you cannot afford a boat. This is a hobby, not a necessity. ;-) Idiot. What a thoughtful contribution to this thread Doug. Have you ever made a mistake in your life? I guess not. I ran Yo Ho at "trawler speed" this past weekend, about 8 mph. Fuel flow gauge showed 1.1 to 1.4 gallons per hour. Boat handles just fine at those low speeds, too, and tracks like an arrow. The engine is so quiet at those low RPMs, you can barely tell it is running. I hope you gave way to all the blow boats passing you. ;-) |
It dropped as fast as it rose!
Looks like some skullduggery going on too! Evidently one stations
supplier was flinging on speculation so he shot his pumps up and the other four stations in the small town did too. Obviously people saw a "panic" and started doing a run on the pumps with lines and crap The other small towns around were still at $2.97-$3.00 all thought the day. Now the stations in town have dropped back down. hmmmmm. I think there's giong to be some investigation over this. or at least, I'd hope so. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Chuck Gould wrote: wrote: I suppose I'm really making a much a do about nothing. Boating isn't going to break us, but then again, it's getting more expensive for us all the time. As it is for us all. IMO, it's a matter of discretionary dollars and priorities. Nobody should ever consider taking up boating if it means that the kids won't get a college education or that there won't be money to take care of aging parents or provide for personal retirement. Again IMO, once the "must do's" are handled and the money left over gets apportioned to "want to do's", some people will spend a very high percentage on boating while others may spend only a few of the discretionary dollars on boating while prioritizing golf, international travel, or collecting things like antique cars instead. Well, it didn't wait till august around ehre. Gas shot up a buck over night. at the pumps it's now $4.06 per gal. This sucks! At gas stations, or marinas??? |
Speaking of high fuel prices,
Harry Krause wrote:
JimH wrote: JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: JimH wrote: "Bryan" wrote in message .net... "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... Mr Wizzard wrote: Seriously, most of us are driving 4, and 6 cylinder 3, and 4L engines, and not doing it everyday, so its _not_ really hurting us like you may think it is. But Semi Trucks don't and they struggle to get better than 6 mpg. Not counting all the fiberglass, plastic, and that you wouldn't imagine being made out of petroleum. it all leads to prices going up in every comodity. " Huh " ? ...The guy was talking about "what to do about his boating"... The price of gas is on my mind every time I fill my car or my boat these days. Not me. There is nothing you can do about it. I burn around 2.5 gallons/hour. So a couple of hours running the boat now costs me about $16. If prices double I will be out an whole extra $16. Big deal. I often see statements like that in these discussions about rising gas prices. Couldn't these extra 16 buckses add up to something over the course of a whole boating season? And doesn't the expense of driving your car to and from work and everywhere else also eventually come into the equation? I wish I were financially independent and money was "no object" in my life. richforman Let's see. 6 months of boating x $16 = $96 worth of pure family enjoyment. That adds up to a whopping $0.53/day. Yep, I am financially independent and $0.53/day is no object to me. ;-) Get real Rich. If your finances hang on $0.53/day then you cannot afford a boat. This is a hobby, not a necessity. ;-) Idiot. What a thoughtful contribution to this thread Doug. Have you ever made a mistake in your life? I guess not. I ran Yo Ho at "trawler speed" this past weekend, about 8 mph. Fuel flow gauge showed 1.1 to 1.4 gallons per hour. Boat handles just fine at those low speeds, too, and tracks like an arrow. The engine is so quiet at those low RPMs, you can barely tell it is running. Now you're talkin'. Slap a mizzen sail on Yo Ho and you'll really start to enjoy it. |
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On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:44:30 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
I ran Yo Ho at "trawler speed" this past weekend, about 8 mph. Fuel flow gauge showed 1.1 to 1.4 gallons per hour. Boat handles just fine at those low speeds, too, and tracks like an arrow. The engine is so quiet at those low RPMs, you can barely tell it is running. Ah! Another convert in the making. Perhaps but I can say from a great deal of personal experience that if you are going to run at trawler speed, it is better to have the real thing, preferably with stabilizers. My old Bertram 33 used to roll like Miss Piggy when it was running off plane. |
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On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:17:06 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: Get real Rich. If your finances hang on $0.53/day then you cannot afford a boat. This is a hobby, not a necessity. ;-) Idiot. Rich is a PeeWCer. He can probably run all season on 100 gallons of gas. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:44:30 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: I ran Yo Ho at "trawler speed" this past weekend, about 8 mph. Fuel flow gauge showed 1.1 to 1.4 gallons per hour. Boat handles just fine at those low speeds, too, and tracks like an arrow. The engine is so quiet at those low RPMs, you can barely tell it is running. Ah! Another convert in the making. Perhaps but I can say from a great deal of personal experience that if you are going to run at trawler speed, it is better to have the real thing, preferably with stabilizers. My old Bertram 33 used to roll like Miss Piggy when it was running off plane. Right now my "stabilizers" are my feet, planted about 36-40 inches apart. Eisboch |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:44:30 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: I ran Yo Ho at "trawler speed" this past weekend, about 8 mph. Fuel flow gauge showed 1.1 to 1.4 gallons per hour. Boat handles just fine at those low speeds, too, and tracks like an arrow. The engine is so quiet at those low RPMs, you can barely tell it is running. Ah! Another convert in the making. Perhaps but I can say from a great deal of personal experience that if you are going to run at trawler speed, it is better to have the real thing, preferably with stabilizers. My old Bertram 33 used to roll like Miss Piggy when it was running off plane. Completely different hull design. Besides, I just mess around with trawler speed. It's just too slow. Trawler speed = Tony Bennett singing a Christmas song while laying comatose on a couch. :-) |
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I was thinking more on the lines of Perry Como....
JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:44:30 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: I ran Yo Ho at "trawler speed" this past weekend, about 8 mph. Fuel flow gauge showed 1.1 to 1.4 gallons per hour. Boat handles just fine at those low speeds, too, and tracks like an arrow. The engine is so quiet at those low RPMs, you can barely tell it is running. Ah! Another convert in the making. Perhaps but I can say from a great deal of personal experience that if you are going to run at trawler speed, it is better to have the real thing, preferably with stabilizers. My old Bertram 33 used to roll like Miss Piggy when it was running off plane. Completely different hull design. Besides, I just mess around with trawler speed. It's just too slow. Trawler speed = Tony Bennett singing a Christmas song while laying comatose on a couch. :-) |
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"Mr Wizzard" wrote in message . .. If I had a wife, and kids who would enjoy a boat outing, then the notion of *not* going out would never even cross my mind. Period. Agreed. The times that come into question for me are those opportunities for me to go out alone; some days the cost is something I choose to give way to. |
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Yeah, that's the guy!
wrote in message oups.com... I was thinking more on the lines of Perry Como.... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:44:30 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: I ran Yo Ho at "trawler speed" this past weekend, about 8 mph. Fuel flow gauge showed 1.1 to 1.4 gallons per hour. Boat handles just fine at those low speeds, too, and tracks like an arrow. The engine is so quiet at those low RPMs, you can barely tell it is running. Ah! Another convert in the making. Perhaps but I can say from a great deal of personal experience that if you are going to run at trawler speed, it is better to have the real thing, preferably with stabilizers. My old Bertram 33 used to roll like Miss Piggy when it was running off plane. Completely different hull design. Besides, I just mess around with trawler speed. It's just too slow. Trawler speed = Tony Bennett singing a Christmas song while laying comatose on a couch. :-) |
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JimH wrote:
Oops, you are correct that I did not post the right figure. The $16 was per trip. Let's be real though. No boater takes the boat out and runs it for several hours each and every day over a 6 month period. I think we can agree that 2 x week over a 6 month period is more reasonable. So, $16 x 2 x 26 = $832 $832/182.5 days = $4.55/day Many folks blow that much money at Mickey D's for lunch every day. But if it is truly a budget buster then you need to give up the *luxury* of owning a boat or cut down on the amount of time you run it. That's what I think I was saying (or what I am experiencing). The higher prices of gas have caused me not to give up boating but to cut down on the amount of hours I run it. (And to take more and longer beach breaks!) My gas per trip probably averages more like 40 a run though. By the way I've also given up the luxury of going out anywhere for lunch, brown-bagging it in order to be able to still hit the water on the weekends. richforman We can spend the entire day anchored near the beach with only a 1.5hour total run time. Remember also that I took the example to an extreme..........having the price of gas double from it's present level. Thanks for being on top of my post and catching my mistake within minutes of posting it John. ;-) |
Speaking of high fuel prices,
wrote in message oups.com... JimH wrote: Not me. There is nothing you can do about it. I burn around 2.5 gallons/hour. So a couple of hours running the boat now costs me about $16. If prices double I will be out an whole extra $16. Big deal. I often see statements like that in these discussions about rising gas prices. Couldn't these extra 16 buckses add up to something over the course of a whole boating season? And doesn't the expense of driving your car to and from work and everywhere else also eventually come into the equation? I wish I were financially independent and money was "no object" in my life. richforman Let's see. 6 months of boating x $16 = $96 worth of pure family enjoyment. That adds up to a whopping $0.53/day. Yep, I am financially independent and $0.53/day is no object to me. ;-) Get real Rich. If your finances hang on $0.53/day then you cannot afford a boat. This is a hobby, not a necessity. ;-) This post doesn't make sense. Are you saying you only take the boat out once a month and only spend sixteen dollars on gas each of those times? You're right, that wouldn't add up to much then. I boat a lot more often than that, for a longer season (more like eight months) and spend a whole lot more on gas each outing. But I am doing it less this season (fewer outings a month, fewer miles/tanks each outing) partly because of the skyrocketing price of gas....I can afford to do it, just somewhat less of it....guess I should get out but I"m kind of hooked! richforman Jimmy really doesn't know what he's saying. He just spews, and in the future, pretends he never said whatever it is he wrote because he can't comprehend his own words at a later date. My interpretation of this week's spew is this: He thinks that no matter how sound your financial planning may be, you should forget it and outspend your budget because the time spent with your family on the boat will result in great memories that money can't buy. What he doesn't mention is that your family will think you're a toad when the house needs a roof and you have no money and your credit rating's shot. I like your approach better. |
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