"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 21:43:11 -0700, "Capt. JG"
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 14 Jul 2006 13:35:09 -0700, "beaufortnc"
wrote:

Does anyone know the real story on this? Was he f.o.s.?

Partly f.o.s.

It's called demarage or something like that (can't remember the exact
term) but the way it works is you rent the boat sans captain, then
provide a list of captains who are acceptable to you allowing the
charterer to obtain his own captain.

The way it works is you provide the list to the charterer, say three
captains, and oddly, only one is available to do the charter. Assuming
that your boat can handle the capacity, you can have up to twelve
people aboard with a Captain who has an OUPV - that Captain can be you
assuming you have the proper license.

The captain is still required to have a license and has to stay within
the tonnage and/or limitations of the license, but that's the way it
is done.

OUPV = 6 people max. If you can find the reference that says differently,
please post it.

As I said, I don't know the exact name of the term, but that's the way
it works - I know guys who do it occasionally - perfectly legal
because you are being hired to operate a boat- even if it's your own
boat - you are just an employee of the charterer. As the original
poster asked, it is a loophole in the laws/rules/regulations -
whatever.

Well, I can't find any mention of any legal way for a person to have paying
guests.

What you cannot do is exceed the 12 person max - that's the key. And
you have to stay within the tonnage and distance limitations of your
license - so, for instance, if you have an OUPV Near Shore out to one
hundred miles and your boat can handle the capacity safely, that's the
limitation. And you have to be hired to operate the boat - even if
it's your own boat.

No, that's not good enough. If you have an OUPV, you cannot exceed six
paying passengers.

Like I said, find the statute and I'll back down.

I'm not going to argue about it because I honestly don't care if you
believe it or not and I don't have the time to look it up. If you
really honestly doubt it and want to prove me wrong, then by all
means, call your local USCG MSO or one of those "captains" schools
and ask them about it - I suspect the "captains" school might be a
better source because that's how they sell their "stuff". :)

I don't need to argue with you nor prove you wrong. I know the regs. I don't
need to call the USCG, because I can read the regs online (hint, hint).

Now, all that said, lots of sailing organizations organize sails wherein a
skipper volunteers to be skipper and the school places people on the boat.
No money changes hands between the skipper and the crew.

And, I wish to make it perfectly clear, that I don't agree with it and
I think it's something that should be closed. I would not advise
doing it in any case and I don't recommend it.

Good for you! :-)

As with anything on the Internet, unless you can independently verify
it, in writing from a unimpeachable source, view it as suspicious
and/or highly unlikely.

Which is exactly what I'm doing. It can't be verified.

If I'm wrong, I'll admit it right here in front of God and the whole
virtual universe - I've been wrong before and probably, well, more
than likely, be wrong again.

Feel free... :-)

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