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I misjudged the waterline on my boat when I applied the epoxy barrier and
bottom paint. I will not try to fix the epoxy barrier coat coverage but I will be raising the bottom paint line when I put the boat on the trailer (in preparation for our vacation on Put-In-Bay) next week. So how do you remove the scum line? I have brushed it off every time I have been in the water and washing down the boat and outdrive, but a scum line remains. TIA! |
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On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 20:22:28 -0400, " JimH"
jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote: I misjudged the waterline on my boat when I applied the epoxy barrier and bottom paint. I will not try to fix the epoxy barrier coat coverage but I will be raising the bottom paint line when I put the boat on the trailer (in preparation for our vacation on Put-In-Bay) next week. So how do you remove the scum line? I have brushed it off every time I have been in the water and washing down the boat and outdrive, but a scum line remains. TIA! Oxalic acid. -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: I misjudged the waterline on my boat when I applied the epoxy barrier and bottom paint. I will not try to fix the epoxy barrier coat coverage but I will be raising the bottom paint line when I put the boat on the trailer (in preparation for our vacation on Put-In-Bay) next week. So how do you remove the scum line? I have brushed it off every time I have been in the water and washing down the boat and outdrive, but a scum line remains. TIA! Hang out with a better crowd! Not possible. ;-) A mixture of oxalic acid and a mild scrub brush will do it. Wear goggles. OK. John recommended the same thing. Thanks! |
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On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 20:46:27 -0400, " JimH"
jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: I misjudged the waterline on my boat when I applied the epoxy barrier and bottom paint. I will not try to fix the epoxy barrier coat coverage but I will be raising the bottom paint line when I put the boat on the trailer (in preparation for our vacation on Put-In-Bay) next week. So how do you remove the scum line? I have brushed it off every time I have been in the water and washing down the boat and outdrive, but a scum line remains. TIA! Hang out with a better crowd! Not possible. ;-) A mixture of oxalic acid and a mild scrub brush will do it. Wear goggles. OK. John recommended the same thing. Thanks! You're quite welcome! -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John |
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JohnH wrote: On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 20:22:28 -0400, " JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote: I misjudged the waterline on my boat when I applied the epoxy barrier and bottom paint. I will not try to fix the epoxy barrier coat coverage but I will be raising the bottom paint line when I put the boat on the trailer (in preparation for our vacation on Put-In-Bay) next week. So how do you remove the scum line? I have brushed it off every time I have been in the water and washing down the boat and outdrive, but a scum line remains. TIA! Oxalic acid. -- John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** Thank you John! I will give it a try. |
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If you don't have access to oxalic acid, use Barkeeper's Friend. About $5,
in a cardboard cylinder package; I bought it in the cleanser section at Wal-Mart. Wipe on with a damp rag and rinse off - no scrubbing! "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 20:46:27 -0400, " JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: I misjudged the waterline on my boat when I applied the epoxy barrier and bottom paint. I will not try to fix the epoxy barrier coat coverage but I will be raising the bottom paint line when I put the boat on the trailer (in preparation for our vacation on Put-In-Bay) next week. So how do you remove the scum line? I have brushed it off every time I have been in the water and washing down the boat and outdrive, but a scum line remains. TIA! Hang out with a better crowd! Not possible. ;-) A mixture of oxalic acid and a mild scrub brush will do it. Wear goggles. OK. John recommended the same thing. Thanks! You're quite welcome! -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John |
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JimH wrote:
I misjudged the waterline on my boat when I applied the epoxy barrier and bottom paint. I will not try to fix the epoxy barrier coat coverage but I will be raising the bottom paint line when I put the boat on the trailer (in preparation for our vacation on Put-In-Bay) next week. So how do you remove the scum line? I have brushed it off every time I have been in the water and washing down the boat and outdrive, but a scum line remains. TIA! JimH, Scum Line Remover (Oxalic acid) Did you decide to change mechanics? One who forgets to change the impeller when asks and uses incorrect parts is an even more very expensive "accident" just around the corner. There is an old expression "Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me". -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it! |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
JimH wrote: I misjudged the waterline on my boat when I applied the epoxy barrier and bottom paint. I will not try to fix the epoxy barrier coat coverage but I will be raising the bottom paint line when I put the boat on the trailer (in preparation for our vacation on Put-In-Bay) next week. So how do you remove the scum line? I have brushed it off every time I have been in the water and washing down the boat and outdrive, but a scum line remains. TIA! JimH, Scum Line Remover (Oxalic acid) Did you decide to change mechanics? One who forgets to change the impeller when asks and uses incorrect parts is an even more very expensive "accident" just around the corner. There is an old expression "Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me". -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it! How many times do I have to tell you the he did not *forget* to change the impeller. Why are you so obsessed with this, especially bringing it up in a totally unrelated thread? |
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JimH wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: JimH wrote: I misjudged the waterline on my boat when I applied the epoxy barrier and bottom paint. I will not try to fix the epoxy barrier coat coverage but I will be raising the bottom paint line when I put the boat on the trailer (in preparation for our vacation on Put-In-Bay) next week. So how do you remove the scum line? I have brushed it off every time I have been in the water and washing down the boat and outdrive, but a scum line remains. TIA! JimH, Scum Line Remover (Oxalic acid) Did you decide to change mechanics? One who forgets to change the impeller when asks and uses incorrect parts is an even more very expensive "accident" just around the corner. There is an old expression "Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me". -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it! How many times do I have to tell you the he did not *forget* to change the impeller. Why are you so obsessed with this, especially bringing it up in a totally unrelated thread? But do you think that mechanic is a good one? After all, you did ask him to change it, and they didn't. After that, it failed, causing you engine to overheat. Overheating an engine is never, ever good for it. |
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" JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message
. .. Hang out with a better crowd! Not possible. ;-) Yeah...we know. |
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"basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... JimH wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: JimH wrote: I misjudged the waterline on my boat when I applied the epoxy barrier and bottom paint. I will not try to fix the epoxy barrier coat coverage but I will be raising the bottom paint line when I put the boat on the trailer (in preparation for our vacation on Put-In-Bay) next week. So how do you remove the scum line? I have brushed it off every time I have been in the water and washing down the boat and outdrive, but a scum line remains. TIA! JimH, Scum Line Remover (Oxalic acid) Did you decide to change mechanics? One who forgets to change the impeller when asks and uses incorrect parts is an even more very expensive "accident" just around the corner. There is an old expression "Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me". -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it! How many times do I have to tell you the he did not *forget* to change the impeller. Why are you so obsessed with this, especially bringing it up in a totally unrelated thread? But do you think that mechanic is a good one? After all, you did ask him to change it, and they didn't. After that, it failed, causing you engine to overheat. Overheating an engine is never, ever good for it. I've decided that there are more good mechanics than we realize. The problem is that many of them are lousy teachers & communicators, and without those skills, a lot of repairs go badly. Example: My son and his girlfriend recently went to a concert 2 hours away, in her car. I said I wanted to look the car over before they left. Turned out she had 3 different brands/models of tires on the thing, and none of them had much life left in them. If rain had been in the forecast, I wouldn't have let them go in that car. She said she couldn't afford a set of tires. I told her to keep the one pair that matched (in the rear), and buy a matched pair for the front. Then, when she had the bucks, replace the rears. She said nobody at the tire stores had suggested this idea. It's exactly what my mechanic would've recommended, since he's a reasonable guy who prefers that his customers remain alive. |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... JimH wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: JimH wrote: I misjudged the waterline on my boat when I applied the epoxy barrier and bottom paint. I will not try to fix the epoxy barrier coat coverage but I will be raising the bottom paint line when I put the boat on the trailer (in preparation for our vacation on Put-In-Bay) next week. So how do you remove the scum line? I have brushed it off every time I have been in the water and washing down the boat and outdrive, but a scum line remains. TIA! JimH, Scum Line Remover (Oxalic acid) Did you decide to change mechanics? One who forgets to change the impeller when asks and uses incorrect parts is an even more very expensive "accident" just around the corner. There is an old expression "Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me". -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it! How many times do I have to tell you the he did not *forget* to change the impeller. Why are you so obsessed with this, especially bringing it up in a totally unrelated thread? But do you think that mechanic is a good one? After all, you did ask him to change it, and they didn't. After that, it failed, causing you engine to overheat. Overheating an engine is never, ever good for it. I've decided that there are more good mechanics than we realize. The problem is that many of them are lousy teachers & communicators, and without those skills, a lot of repairs go badly. Example: My son and his girlfriend recently went to a concert 2 hours away, in her car. I said I wanted to look the car over before they left. Turned out she had 3 different brands/models of tires on the thing, and none of them had much life left in them. If rain had been in the forecast, I wouldn't have let them go in that car. She said she couldn't afford a set of tires. I told her to keep the one pair that matched (in the rear), and buy a matched pair for the front. Then, when she had the bucks, replace the rears. She said nobody at the tire stores had suggested this idea. It's exactly what my mechanic would've recommended, since he's a reasonable guy who prefers that his customers remain alive. Doug, I have always told my mechanics I expect them to treat me the way they would their mother (that is if they loved their mother). I expect them to make recommendation that will save me money, in the long run. I also tell them if I catch them making recommendations to "make work", I will find another mechanic. I tend to keep my cars and boats longer than some, so I want them well maintained. JimH thought I was being obsessed with his impeller, but that is a perfect example of situation that others, especially someone new to boating can learn from, and is a great on topic discussion. Changing an impeller every other year, is very cheap insurance. A mechanic who checks an impeller by running the engine for an hour, and determines the impeller of unknown age does not need to be changed because the water temp remained at at safe level, is one that a reasonable boater should run from. I was told you really can't tell how "safe" an impeller is by feeling it, it should just be replaced either annually or every other year at the very latest. When a mechanic tries to recommend new part specs for an engine, it is time to look for another mechanic. This conversation is not for JimH because he is not interested, but these are two glaring examples of when I know I would look for another mechanic. -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it! |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Doug, I have always told my mechanics I expect them to treat me the way they would their mother (that is if they loved their mother). I expect them to make recommendation that will save me money, in the long run. I also tell them if I catch them making recommendations to "make work", I will find another mechanic. I tend to keep my cars and boats longer than some, so I want them well maintained. JimH thought I was being obsessed with his impeller, but that is a perfect example of situation that others, especially someone new to boating can learn from, and is a great on topic discussion. Changing an impeller every other year, is very cheap insurance. A mechanic who checks an impeller by running the engine for an hour, and determines the impeller of unknown age does not need to be changed because the water temp remained at at safe level, is one that a reasonable boater should run from. I was told you really can't tell how "safe" an impeller is by feeling it, it should just be replaced either annually or every other year at the very latest. When a mechanic tries to recommend new part specs for an engine, it is time to look for another mechanic. This conversation is not for JimH because he is not interested, but these are two glaring examples of when I know I would look for another mechanic. On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on For a guy with no boat, no name, no job and no life, you certainly go On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on Enough already. You've beat it to death. Yep. And from a guy who most likely has never stepped foot on a boat in his/her lifetime. |
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Harry Krause wrote:
n and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on Enough already. You've beat it to death. Harry, Considering some of the conversations that get bet to death, I thought this was better than most. I am doing my best to keep it on topic without any personal attacks, and have ignored yours and JimH's barbs, because it looks like this is something that is relevant to everyone who boats. Why does it bother you to discuss the idea of using mechanics you can trust and when it makes sense to cut your loses and find a new mechanic? Isn't this a conversation that can be kicked around without the name calling? -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it! |
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" JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message . .. I misjudged the waterline on my boat when I applied the epoxy barrier and bottom paint. I will not try to fix the epoxy barrier coat coverage but I will be raising the bottom paint line when I put the boat on the trailer (in preparation for our vacation on Put-In-Bay) next week. So how do you remove the scum line? I have brushed it off every time I have been in the water and washing down the boat and outdrive, but a scum line remains. TIA! Orbital sander and 60 grit sandpaper works on my boat! :) |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Harry Krause wrote: n and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on Enough already. You've beat it to death. Harry, Considering some of the conversations that get bet to death, I thought this was better than most. I am doing my best to keep it on topic without any personal attacks, and have ignored yours and JimH's barbs, because it looks like this is something that is relevant to everyone who boats. Why does it bother you to discuss the idea of using mechanics you can trust and when it makes sense to cut your loses and find a new mechanic? Because the topic of this thread is removing waterline scum. Got it? Isn't this a conversation that can be kicked around without the name calling? No one has called you names. What you were accused of is having no boat, no boating experience and harping on something that was a dead issue (with you) days ago. If you want to start a thread about mechanics be my guest. But this thread has absolutely nothing to do with that subject. Every regular here has at one time or another posted pictures of their boats, talked about their boats and their boating experiences. You have *never* done so. I cannot think of one other regular here who is in your company.....not one. You have even made it a point to keep even your first name a secret *Reginald*. You have chosen to be secretive about everything in your life. That is certainly your choice, but learn to live with the consequences by doing so. And please stop the whining and the "who, me?" routine........it is getting old. -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it! |
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On 10 Jul 2006 14:40:39 -0700, "JimH" wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Harry Krause wrote: n and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on Enough already. You've beat it to death. Harry, Considering some of the conversations that get bet to death, I thought this was better than most. I am doing my best to keep it on topic without any personal attacks, and have ignored yours and JimH's barbs, because it looks like this is something that is relevant to everyone who boats. Why does it bother you to discuss the idea of using mechanics you can trust and when it makes sense to cut your loses and find a new mechanic? Because the topic of this thread is removing waterline scum. Got it? Isn't this a conversation that can be kicked around without the name calling? No one has called you names. What you were accused of is having no boat, no boating experience and harping on something that was a dead issue (with you) days ago. If you want to start a thread about mechanics be my guest. But this thread has absolutely nothing to do with that subject. Every regular here has at one time or another posted pictures of their boats, talked about their boats and their boating experiences. You have *never* done so. I cannot think of one other regular here who is in your company.....not one. You have even made it a point to keep even your first name a secret *Reginald*. You have chosen to be secretive about everything in your life. That is certainly your choice, but learn to live with the consequences by doing so. And please stop the whining and the "who, me?" routine........it is getting old. Gosh, JimH. You're assuming an awful lot there, don't you know. Would it be better if Reggie said he owned a 36'er and talked about all the 'trips' he'd taken? Would that make him more believable? From the advice he's given, just to you, I'd say he's had more experience with boats than either you or me. Why not discuss the advice itself, instead of throwing acrimonious insults around? -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John |
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JohnH wrote: On 10 Jul 2006 14:40:39 -0700, "JimH" wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Harry Krause wrote: n and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on Enough already. You've beat it to death. Harry, Considering some of the conversations that get bet to death, I thought this was better than most. I am doing my best to keep it on topic without any personal attacks, and have ignored yours and JimH's barbs, because it looks like this is something that is relevant to everyone who boats. Why does it bother you to discuss the idea of using mechanics you can trust and when it makes sense to cut your loses and find a new mechanic? Because the topic of this thread is removing waterline scum. Got it? Isn't this a conversation that can be kicked around without the name calling? No one has called you names. What you were accused of is having no boat, no boating experience and harping on something that was a dead issue (with you) days ago. If you want to start a thread about mechanics be my guest. But this thread has absolutely nothing to do with that subject. Every regular here has at one time or another posted pictures of their boats, talked about their boats and their boating experiences. You have *never* done so. I cannot think of one other regular here who is in your company.....not one. You have even made it a point to keep even your first name a secret *Reginald*. You have chosen to be secretive about everything in your life. That is certainly your choice, but learn to live with the consequences by doing so. And please stop the whining and the "who, me?" routine........it is getting old. Gosh, JimH. You're assuming an awful lot there, don't you know. Would it be better if Reggie said he owned a 36'er and talked about all the 'trips' he'd taken? Would that make him more believable? No, John. If Reggie did that, then JimH would chastise him and call him names for having something that JimH himself doesn't have. Like he did with another poster here. From the advice he's given, just to you, I'd say he's had more experience with boats than either you or me. Why not discuss the advice itself, instead of throwing acrimonious insults around? Yes, Reggie does seem to know quite alot about boats. Of all of Jim's bipolar rants, the one I find the oddest, is when he ASKS for advice, then goes off on a tangent when given advice! |
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Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On 10 Jul 2006 14:40:39 -0700, "JimH" wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Harry Krause wrote: n and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on Enough already. You've beat it to death. Harry, Considering some of the conversations that get bet to death, I thought this was better than most. I am doing my best to keep it on topic without any personal attacks, and have ignored yours and JimH's barbs, because it looks like this is something that is relevant to everyone who boats. Why does it bother you to discuss the idea of using mechanics you can trust and when it makes sense to cut your loses and find a new mechanic? Because the topic of this thread is removing waterline scum. Got it? Isn't this a conversation that can be kicked around without the name calling? No one has called you names. What you were accused of is having no boat, no boating experience and harping on something that was a dead issue (with you) days ago. If you want to start a thread about mechanics be my guest. But this thread has absolutely nothing to do with that subject. Every regular here has at one time or another posted pictures of their boats, talked about their boats and their boating experiences. You have *never* done so. I cannot think of one other regular here who is in your company.....not one. You have even made it a point to keep even your first name a secret *Reginald*. You have chosen to be secretive about everything in your life. That is certainly your choice, but learn to live with the consequences by doing so. And please stop the whining and the "who, me?" routine........it is getting old. Gosh, JimH. You're assuming an awful lot there, don't you know. Would it be better if Reggie said he owned a 36'er and talked about all the 'trips' he'd taken? Would that make him more believable? From the advice he's given, just to you, I'd say he's had more experience with boats than either you or me. Why not discuss the advice itself, instead of throwing acrimonious insults around? -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John You'd say? Hehehe. You and Reggie should get a room. Add Kevin to that list. Would that make it a ménage à trois? |
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JohnH wrote: On 10 Jul 2006 14:40:39 -0700, "JimH" wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Harry Krause wrote: n and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on Enough already. You've beat it to death. Harry, Considering some of the conversations that get bet to death, I thought this was better than most. I am doing my best to keep it on topic without any personal attacks, and have ignored yours and JimH's barbs, because it looks like this is something that is relevant to everyone who boats. Why does it bother you to discuss the idea of using mechanics you can trust and when it makes sense to cut your loses and find a new mechanic? Because the topic of this thread is removing waterline scum. Got it? Isn't this a conversation that can be kicked around without the name calling? No one has called you names. What you were accused of is having no boat, no boating experience and harping on something that was a dead issue (with you) days ago. If you want to start a thread about mechanics be my guest. But this thread has absolutely nothing to do with that subject. Every regular here has at one time or another posted pictures of their boats, talked about their boats and their boating experiences. You have *never* done so. I cannot think of one other regular here who is in your company.....not one. You have even made it a point to keep even your first name a secret *Reginald*. You have chosen to be secretive about everything in your life. That is certainly your choice, but learn to live with the consequences by doing so. And please stop the whining and the "who, me?" routine........it is getting old. Gosh, JimH. You're assuming an awful lot there, don't you know. Would it be better if Reggie said he owned a 36'er and talked about all the 'trips' he'd taken? Would that make him more believable? That would move him/her a couple of steps up the credibility ladder. From the advice he's given, just to you, I'd say he's had more experience with boats than either you or me. ROTFLMAO!!!!!! Why not discuss the advice itself, instead of throwing acrimonious insults around? If telling someone that I would never consider any of his/her advice based on the fact that he/she has never posted any personal experiences about his/her boat and boating experiences then I guess I am guilty of "throwing acrimonious insults around". In my eyes, he/she has absolutely no credibility. |
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On 10 Jul 2006 15:09:19 -0700, "JimH" wrote:
Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On 10 Jul 2006 14:40:39 -0700, "JimH" wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Harry Krause wrote: n and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on Enough already. You've beat it to death. Harry, Considering some of the conversations that get bet to death, I thought this was better than most. I am doing my best to keep it on topic without any personal attacks, and have ignored yours and JimH's barbs, because it looks like this is something that is relevant to everyone who boats. Why does it bother you to discuss the idea of using mechanics you can trust and when it makes sense to cut your loses and find a new mechanic? Because the topic of this thread is removing waterline scum. Got it? Isn't this a conversation that can be kicked around without the name calling? No one has called you names. What you were accused of is having no boat, no boating experience and harping on something that was a dead issue (with you) days ago. If you want to start a thread about mechanics be my guest. But this thread has absolutely nothing to do with that subject. Every regular here has at one time or another posted pictures of their boats, talked about their boats and their boating experiences. You have *never* done so. I cannot think of one other regular here who is in your company.....not one. You have even made it a point to keep even your first name a secret *Reginald*. You have chosen to be secretive about everything in your life. That is certainly your choice, but learn to live with the consequences by doing so. And please stop the whining and the "who, me?" routine........it is getting old. Gosh, JimH. You're assuming an awful lot there, don't you know. Would it be better if Reggie said he owned a 36'er and talked about all the 'trips' he'd taken? Would that make him more believable? From the advice he's given, just to you, I'd say he's had more experience with boats than either you or me. Why not discuss the advice itself, instead of throwing acrimonious insults around? -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John You'd say? Hehehe. You and Reggie should get a room. Add Kevin to that list. Would that make it a ménage à trois? Why would you possibly say that? Hmmm? -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John |
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On 10 Jul 2006 15:24:46 -0700, "JimH" wrote:
JohnH wrote: On 10 Jul 2006 14:40:39 -0700, "JimH" wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Harry Krause wrote: n and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on Enough already. You've beat it to death. Harry, Considering some of the conversations that get bet to death, I thought this was better than most. I am doing my best to keep it on topic without any personal attacks, and have ignored yours and JimH's barbs, because it looks like this is something that is relevant to everyone who boats. Why does it bother you to discuss the idea of using mechanics you can trust and when it makes sense to cut your loses and find a new mechanic? Because the topic of this thread is removing waterline scum. Got it? Isn't this a conversation that can be kicked around without the name calling? No one has called you names. What you were accused of is having no boat, no boating experience and harping on something that was a dead issue (with you) days ago. If you want to start a thread about mechanics be my guest. But this thread has absolutely nothing to do with that subject. Every regular here has at one time or another posted pictures of their boats, talked about their boats and their boating experiences. You have *never* done so. I cannot think of one other regular here who is in your company.....not one. You have even made it a point to keep even your first name a secret *Reginald*. You have chosen to be secretive about everything in your life. That is certainly your choice, but learn to live with the consequences by doing so. And please stop the whining and the "who, me?" routine........it is getting old. Gosh, JimH. You're assuming an awful lot there, don't you know. Would it be better if Reggie said he owned a 36'er and talked about all the 'trips' he'd taken? Would that make him more believable? That would move him/her a couple of steps up the credibility ladder. From the advice he's given, just to you, I'd say he's had more experience with boats than either you or me. ROTFLMAO!!!!!! Why not discuss the advice itself, instead of throwing acrimonious insults around? If telling someone that I would never consider any of his/her advice based on the fact that he/she has never posted any personal experiences about his/her boat and boating experiences then I guess I am guilty of "throwing acrimonious insults around". In my eyes, he/she has absolutely no credibility. Not to be acrimonious, but *you* should not discuss another's credibility. -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John |
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JimH wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Harry Krause wrote: n and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on Enough already. You've beat it to death. Harry, Considering some of the conversations that get bet to death, I thought this was better than most. I am doing my best to keep it on topic without any personal attacks, and have ignored yours and JimH's barbs, because it looks like this is something that is relevant to everyone who boats. Why does it bother you to discuss the idea of using mechanics you can trust and when it makes sense to cut your loses and find a new mechanic? Because the topic of this thread is removing waterline scum. Got it? Isn't this a conversation that can be kicked around without the name calling? No one has called you names. What you were accused of is having no boat, no boating experience and harping on something that was a dead issue (with you) days ago. If you want to start a thread about mechanics be my guest. But this thread has absolutely nothing to do with that subject. Every regular here has at one time or another posted pictures of their boats, talked about their boats and their boating experiences. You have *never* done so. I cannot think of one other regular here who is in your company.....not one. You have even made it a point to keep even your first name a secret *Reginald*. You have chosen to be secretive about everything in your life. That is certainly your choice, but learn to live with the consequences by doing so. And please stop the whining and the "who, me?" routine........it is getting old. -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it! JimH, It looks like the beating the dead horse might have saved you another expensive break down. -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it! |
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JimH wrote:
JohnH wrote: On 10 Jul 2006 14:40:39 -0700, "JimH" wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Harry Krause wrote: n and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on Enough already. You've beat it to death. Harry, Considering some of the conversations that get bet to death, I thought this was better than most. I am doing my best to keep it on topic without any personal attacks, and have ignored yours and JimH's barbs, because it looks like this is something that is relevant to everyone who boats. Why does it bother you to discuss the idea of using mechanics you can trust and when it makes sense to cut your loses and find a new mechanic? Because the topic of this thread is removing waterline scum. Got it? Isn't this a conversation that can be kicked around without the name calling? No one has called you names. What you were accused of is having no boat, no boating experience and harping on something that was a dead issue (with you) days ago. If you want to start a thread about mechanics be my guest. But this thread has absolutely nothing to do with that subject. Every regular here has at one time or another posted pictures of their boats, talked about their boats and their boating experiences. You have *never* done so. I cannot think of one other regular here who is in your company.....not one. You have even made it a point to keep even your first name a secret *Reginald*. You have chosen to be secretive about everything in your life. That is certainly your choice, but learn to live with the consequences by doing so. And please stop the whining and the "who, me?" routine........it is getting old. Gosh, JimH. You're assuming an awful lot there, don't you know. Would it be better if Reggie said he owned a 36'er and talked about all the 'trips' he'd taken? Would that make him more believable? That would move him/her a couple of steps up the credibility ladder. From the advice he's given, just to you, I'd say he's had more experience with boats than either you or me. ROTFLMAO!!!!!! Why not discuss the advice itself, instead of throwing acrimonious insults around? If telling someone that I would never consider any of his/her advice based on the fact that he/she has never posted any personal experiences about his/her boat and boating experiences then I guess I am guilty of "throwing acrimonious insults around". In my eyes, he/she has absolutely no credibility. JimH, Now that hurts, I have really tried to be helpful with the info about your 160 degree therm, and discussing the extreme water fluctuations you were showing. Let's just assume I really don't know anything, but I have been polite, and I am batting 1000. If for no other reason that that, you might want to consider changing your tack. To be honest, I have been carry on this discussion because it seemed to be a great thread about boats that was relevant to lots of boaters (ie impellers, mechanics etc). You on the other hand seemed hell bent on changing the thread into a personal battle. I really would think you would be tickled to death that I mentioned that I thought the temperature fluctuations you were showing were extreme, but what the heck. -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it! |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Let's just assume I really don't know anything Works for me. See and that is where you can point out what I said is incorrect. You and JimH are best buds all of a sudden, but when he listed his temp flux, you didn't say a word. When I saw that, my first reaction is wow, it looks like the engine overheating might have caused some more damage, but at the very least, this needs to be looked into. You said nothing. Richard who is not JimH's buddy at least confirmed that this needs to be looked at. That is not what a buddy does, a buddy should be more than just someone to join in on rec.boats personal insults. Let's try to stay focused on discussing issues and not personal insults. -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it! |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... That is not what a buddy does, a buddy should be more than just someone to join in on rec.boats personal insults. Let's try to stay focused on discussing issues and not personal insults. -- Since when has wrecked.boats not been insulting? (Wondering where Skipper is .... should be back from his "cruise" by now). Eisboch I guess it will never change. -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it! |
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... That is not what a buddy does, a buddy should be more than just someone to join in on rec.boats personal insults. Let's try to stay focused on discussing issues and not personal insults. -- Since when has wrecked.boats not been insulting? (Wondering where Skipper is .... should be back from his "cruise" by now). Eisboch |
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... I guess it will never change. Because it's easy and safe. Before Usenet you got into an argument in a bar, called someone an asshole and he would proceed to rearrange your face. Here, you get "plonked" Eisboch |
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JimH wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Eisboch wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... That is not what a buddy does, a buddy should be more than just someone to join in on rec.boats personal insults. Let's try to stay focused on discussing issues and not personal insults. -- Since when has wrecked.boats not been insulting? (Wondering where Skipper is .... should be back from his "cruise" by now). Eisboch I guess it will never change. -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it! Try being more open about your boat and boating experiences and maybe, just maybe folks will consider your advice. Until then accept the consequences of your decision to remain totally anonymous to this NG, both in name and experience, none of which have resulting in insulting or name calling. BTW: You previously stated that *all* Volvo Penta engines need a 160F and you were promptly proved wrong. Your credibility remains at 0% Just the facts...........Jack! JimH, I was wrong on that matter, but on the 4.3 and the 5.7, a very large segment and the engine we were talking about, I was correct. Since everyone knows so much about your personal life, including your name, address and phone number, and all of your personal problems your credibility must be at an all time high. But that is not important. The important thing is we are discussing a boating issue that effects the majority of boaters who read rec.boats. As I said, I really was not directing my comments towards you, but someone who might want to learn from your mistakes. This year you have provided many newbies an excellent opportunity to learn a lot, more than anyone else in rec.boats. Some of the lessons you have provided a 1. Don't rely on using the water temp. to determine if it is safe to use the impeller for another year. You should never go more than 2 years w/o changing the impeller. If you buy a new boat, change the impeller immediately. 2. Don't use mechanics who think this is an acceptable procedure to check the impeller. 3. Don't use mechanics who use the parts they have in stock instead of ordering the parts that are spec'd. 4. When your water temperature is changing 20-25 degrees and you have a fresh water cooled system, it is not prudent to wait till the end of the season to find a good mechanic to check out the problem. 5. Rec. Boats can be a good place to get opinions and ideas, but it should not be the place to finalize any important decisions. Incorrect information is giving in UseNet all the time, sometimes, by the most knowledgeable people. Use the mfg'er web site to verify all info provided. 6. Ignoring minor problems can result in very expensive mistakes. Even those who previously owned 32' boats, can learn something new. -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it! |
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Harry Krause wrote:
JimH wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Eisboch wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... That is not what a buddy does, a buddy should be more than just someone to join in on rec.boats personal insults. Let's try to stay focused on discussing issues and not personal insults. -- Since when has wrecked.boats not been insulting? (Wondering where Skipper is .... should be back from his "cruise" by now). Eisboch I guess it will never change. -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it! Try being more open about your boat and boating experiences and maybe, just maybe folks will consider your advice. Until then accept the consequences of your decision to remain totally anonymous to this NG, both in name and experience, none of which have resulting in insulting or name calling. BTW: You previously stated that *all* Volvo Penta engines need a 160F and you were promptly proved wrong. Your credibility remains at 0% Just the facts...........Jack! Reggie's stated reasons for anonymity are b.s., in case you haven't yet guessed. He plays his little game because at one point he logged on here with his "real" persona, and he doesn't want the "regulars" to guess who he really is. Harry, Are you saying, I prefer to keep my anonymity because some regulars prefer to respond with personal insults instead of sticking to the topic being discussed? -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it! |
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On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:05:28 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message I guess it will never change. Because it's easy and safe. Before Usenet you got into an argument in a bar, called someone an asshole and he would proceed to rearrange your face. Eisboch Harry and the rest of the punks in this NG have never had the guts to get into an argument in a bar. At least not more than once. Jack |
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Jack Goff wrote:
Harry and the rest of the punks in this NG have never had the guts to get into an argument in a bar. At least not more than once. Jack Well, we know you never go to a bar to pick up dates. Your two favourite sexual partners are 'close at hand'. |
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On 10 Jul 2006 17:29:11 -0700, "JimH" wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Eisboch wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... That is not what a buddy does, a buddy should be more than just someone to join in on rec.boats personal insults. Let's try to stay focused on discussing issues and not personal insults. -- Since when has wrecked.boats not been insulting? (Wondering where Skipper is .... should be back from his "cruise" by now). Eisboch I guess it will never change. -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it! Try being more open about your boat and boating experiences and maybe, just maybe folks will consider your advice. Until then accept the consequences of your decision to remain totally anonymous to this NG, both in name and experience, none of which have resulting in insulting or name calling. BTW: You previously stated that *all* Volvo Penta engines need a 160F and you were promptly proved wrong. Your credibility remains at 0% Just the facts...........Jack! Several months ago, JimH, a person on this group made fun of your last name, your boat, where you lived, the house you lived in, your reasons for selling your boat, your being boatless, and any other personal information this individual could glean from your posts. Do you not remember this? Now you are asking another to provide personal information, somehow linking his knowledge to his release thereof. -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John |
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 04:02:07 GMT, Don White
wrote: Jack Goff wrote: Harry and the rest of the punks in this NG have never had the guts to get into an argument in a bar. At least not more than once. Jack Well, we know you never go to a bar to pick up dates. Your two favourite sexual partners are 'close at hand'. You're almost correct... just one partner, my wife. You keep your's close at hand too, right? Your mom. You sick canuck. |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Harry Krause wrote: JimH wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Eisboch wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... That is not what a buddy does, a buddy should be more than just someone to join in on rec.boats personal insults. Let's try to stay focused on discussing issues and not personal insults. -- Since when has wrecked.boats not been insulting? (Wondering where Skipper is .... should be back from his "cruise" by now). Eisboch I guess it will never change. -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it! Try being more open about your boat and boating experiences and maybe, just maybe folks will consider your advice. Until then accept the consequences of your decision to remain totally anonymous to this NG, both in name and experience, none of which have resulting in insulting or name calling. BTW: You previously stated that *all* Volvo Penta engines need a 160F and you were promptly proved wrong. Your credibility remains at 0% Just the facts...........Jack! Reggie's stated reasons for anonymity are b.s., in case you haven't yet guessed. He plays his little game because at one point he logged on here with his "real" persona, and he doesn't want the "regulars" to guess who he really is. Harry, Are you saying, I prefer to keep my anonymity because some regulars prefer to respond with personal insults instead of sticking to the topic being discussed? -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it! Disclosing your real first name (and using it), the type of boat you own and where you boat is not disclosing your anonymity. What are you afraid of? |
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JohnH wrote:
On 10 Jul 2006 17:29:11 -0700, "JimH" wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Eisboch wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... That is not what a buddy does, a buddy should be more than just someone to join in on rec.boats personal insults. Let's try to stay focused on discussing issues and not personal insults. -- Since when has wrecked.boats not been insulting? (Wondering where Skipper is .... should be back from his "cruise" by now). Eisboch I guess it will never change. -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it! Try being more open about your boat and boating experiences and maybe, just maybe folks will consider your advice. Until then accept the consequences of your decision to remain totally anonymous to this NG, both in name and experience, none of which have resulting in insulting or name calling. BTW: You previously stated that *all* Volvo Penta engines need a 160F and you were promptly proved wrong. Your credibility remains at 0% Just the facts...........Jack! Several months ago, JimH, a person on this group made fun of your last name, your boat, where you lived, the house you lived in, your reasons for selling your boat, your being boatless, and any other personal information this individual could glean from your posts. Do you not remember this? Now you are asking another to provide personal information, somehow linking his knowledge to his release thereof. -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** Anyone who has been in rec.boats for more than a few months would know when boating "credentials" and boating "history" are used to quantify or qualify your responses, your "credentials and your history become the debate, NOT THE INFORMATION BEING DISCUSSED. Personal info is not an answer to online creditability, personal behavior is. JimH and others now know Volvo spec'd his engine to use a 160 degree thermostat, an engine is a integrated system, you can not change part of that system, without effecting other parts of that system. Someone mentioned the lower operating temp of 140 degree will result in fouled plugs and a build up of carbon. A 25 degree temp. range for a fresh water cooled engine is unusual, and should not be ignored until the end of the season. When you have a problem with your engine, you should never use Usenet to trouble shoot and then pick and choose the answer you want to use based upon whom you like, which answers will result in the lowest cost to you, or which answers you were hoping for. Usenet will never replace a reliable mechanic actually placing his hands on and looking at your engine. I wish I was wrong, but I think there are people who like to use personal info as a vehicle to hijack every thread into a personal battle. There are also news reports of people who have use personal info provided in Usenet for ID theft for personal gain or other unsavory reasons. While there are many in Usenet I would enjoy boating or fishing with, kicking back and having a beer, there are some that I think are mentally unstable, and I do worry what they would do with personal information. For that reason, I do follow the advice of ALL INTERNET SECURITY EXPERTS, and keep all personal information out of Usenet. I was amazed that none of the real experts jumped into the thermostat debate or the temperature fluctuation discussion. I guess they have left rec.boats. -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it! |
Reggie
"JimH" wrote in message oups.com... Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Harry Krause wrote: JimH wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Eisboch wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... That is not what a buddy does, a buddy should be more than just someone to join in on rec.boats personal insults. Let's try to stay focused on discussing issues and not personal insults. -- Since when has wrecked.boats not been insulting? (Wondering where Skipper is .... should be back from his "cruise" by now). Eisboch I guess it will never change. -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it! Try being more open about your boat and boating experiences and maybe, just maybe folks will consider your advice. Until then accept the consequences of your decision to remain totally anonymous to this NG, both in name and experience, none of which have resulting in insulting or name calling. BTW: You previously stated that *all* Volvo Penta engines need a 160F and you were promptly proved wrong. Your credibility remains at 0% Just the facts...........Jack! Reggie's stated reasons for anonymity are b.s., in case you haven't yet guessed. He plays his little game because at one point he logged on here with his "real" persona, and he doesn't want the "regulars" to guess who he really is. Harry, Are you saying, I prefer to keep my anonymity because some regulars prefer to respond with personal insults instead of sticking to the topic being discussed? -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it! Disclosing your real first name (and using it), the type of boat you own and where you boat is not removing your anonymity. What are you afraid of? edit, and new subject heading |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Harry Krause wrote: JimH wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Eisboch wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... That is not what a buddy does, a buddy should be more than just someone to join in on rec.boats personal insults. Let's try to stay focused on discussing issues and not personal insults. -- Since when has wrecked.boats not been insulting? (Wondering where Skipper is .... should be back from his "cruise" by now). Eisboch I guess it will never change. -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it! Try being more open about your boat and boating experiences and maybe, just maybe folks will consider your advice. Until then accept the consequences of your decision to remain totally anonymous to this NG, both in name and experience, none of which have resulting in insulting or name calling. BTW: You previously stated that *all* Volvo Penta engines need a 160F and you were promptly proved wrong. Your credibility remains at 0% Just the facts...........Jack! Reggie's stated reasons for anonymity are b.s., in case you haven't yet guessed. He plays his little game because at one point he logged on here with his "real" persona, and he doesn't want the "regulars" to guess who he really is. Harry, Are you saying, I prefer to keep my anonymity because some regulars prefer to respond with personal insults instead of sticking to the topic being discussed? -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it! Disclosing your real first name (and using it), the type of boat you own and where you boat is not removing your anonymity. What are you afraid of? Admitting he used to post here with "real" information, of course. Could he be Jim Gallow? Reggie knew quite a bit of the Atlanta area when he used to spend his time teasing Kevin. But then again, Jim Gallow owned a boat. |
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JimH wrote: Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: On 10 Jul 2006 14:40:39 -0700, "JimH" wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Harry Krause wrote: n and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on Enough already. You've beat it to death. Harry, Considering some of the conversations that get bet to death, I thought this was better than most. I am doing my best to keep it on topic without any personal attacks, and have ignored yours and JimH's barbs, because it looks like this is something that is relevant to everyone who boats. Why does it bother you to discuss the idea of using mechanics you can trust and when it makes sense to cut your loses and find a new mechanic? Because the topic of this thread is removing waterline scum. Got it? Isn't this a conversation that can be kicked around without the name calling? No one has called you names. What you were accused of is having no boat, no boating experience and harping on something that was a dead issue (with you) days ago. If you want to start a thread about mechanics be my guest. But this thread has absolutely nothing to do with that subject. Every regular here has at one time or another posted pictures of their boats, talked about their boats and their boating experiences. You have *never* done so. I cannot think of one other regular here who is in your company.....not one. You have even made it a point to keep even your first name a secret *Reginald*. You have chosen to be secretive about everything in your life. That is certainly your choice, but learn to live with the consequences by doing so. And please stop the whining and the "who, me?" routine........it is getting old. Gosh, JimH. You're assuming an awful lot there, don't you know. Would it be better if Reggie said he owned a 36'er and talked about all the 'trips' he'd taken? Would that make him more believable? From the advice he's given, just to you, I'd say he's had more experience with boats than either you or me. Why not discuss the advice itself, instead of throwing acrimonious insults around? -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John You'd say? Hehehe. You and Reggie should get a room. Add Kevin to that list. Would that make it a ménage à trois? And away he goes on another of his monthly bipolar rants!!! Jim, care to take the $5,000 challenge that I'm not Kevin? Or would you rather just stick your head in the sand and believe something that's not true? |
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JimH wrote: JohnH wrote: On 10 Jul 2006 14:40:39 -0700, "JimH" wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Harry Krause wrote: n and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on Enough already. You've beat it to death. Harry, Considering some of the conversations that get bet to death, I thought this was better than most. I am doing my best to keep it on topic without any personal attacks, and have ignored yours and JimH's barbs, because it looks like this is something that is relevant to everyone who boats. Why does it bother you to discuss the idea of using mechanics you can trust and when it makes sense to cut your loses and find a new mechanic? Because the topic of this thread is removing waterline scum. Got it? Isn't this a conversation that can be kicked around without the name calling? No one has called you names. What you were accused of is having no boat, no boating experience and harping on something that was a dead issue (with you) days ago. If you want to start a thread about mechanics be my guest. But this thread has absolutely nothing to do with that subject. Every regular here has at one time or another posted pictures of their boats, talked about their boats and their boating experiences. You have *never* done so. I cannot think of one other regular here who is in your company.....not one. You have even made it a point to keep even your first name a secret *Reginald*. You have chosen to be secretive about everything in your life. That is certainly your choice, but learn to live with the consequences by doing so. And please stop the whining and the "who, me?" routine........it is getting old. Gosh, JimH. You're assuming an awful lot there, don't you know. Would it be better if Reggie said he owned a 36'er and talked about all the 'trips' he'd taken? Would that make him more believable? That would move him/her a couple of steps up the credibility ladder. From the advice he's given, just to you, I'd say he's had more experience with boats than either you or me. ROTFLMAO!!!!!! Why not discuss the advice itself, instead of throwing acrimonious insults around? If telling someone that I would never consider any of his/her advice based on the fact that he/she has never posted any personal experiences about his/her boat and boating experiences then I guess I am guilty of "throwing acrimonious insults around". In my eyes, he/she has absolutely no credibility. Because someone doesn't come here and blather about every aspect of every single time they take the boat out in boring inane detail, like you, that means they don't own a boat or know anything about them? |
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