OT--For our Canadian friends. ( Illegal border crossings)
 

News From the Other Border


The flood of American liberals sneaking across the border into Canada has
intensified in the past week, sparking calls for increased patrols to stop
the illegal immigration.

The unflinching arrogance of the Bush Administration is prompting the exodus
among liberal citizens who fear they'll soon be required to hunt, pray, and
agree with Bill O'Reilly.

Canadian border farmers say it's not uncommon to see dozens of sociology
professors, animal-rights activists, and Unitarians crossing their fields at
night. "I went out to milk the cows the other day, and there was a Hollywood
producer huddled in the barn," said Manitoba farmer Red Greenfield, whose
acreage borders North Dakota. The producer was cold, exhausted and
hungry."He asked me if I could spare a latte and some free-range chicken.
When I said I didn't have any, he left. Didn't even get a chance to show him
my screenplay."

In an effort to stop the illegal aliens, Greenfield erected higher fences,
but the liberals scaled them. So he tried installing speakers that blare
Rush Limbaugh across the fields. "Not real effective," he said. "The
liberals still got through, and Rush annoyed the cows so much they wouldn't
give milk"

Officials are particularly concerned about smugglers who meet liberals near
the Canadian border, pack them into Volvo station wagons, drive them across
the border and leave them to fend for themselves. "A lot of these people are
not prepared for rugged conditions," an Ontario border patrolman said. "I
found one carload without a drop of drinking water. They did have a pleasant
little Napa Valley cabernet, though."

When liberals are caught, they're sent back across the border, often wailing
loudly that they fear retribution from conservatives. Rumors have been
circulating about the Bush administration establishing re-education camps in
which liberals will be forced to drink domestic beer and watch NASCAR.

Liberals have turned to sometimes-ingenious ways of crossing the border.
Some have taken to posing as senior citizens on bus trips to buy cheap
Canadian prescription drugs. After catching a half-dozen young vegans
disguised in powdered wigs, Canadian immigration authorities began stopping
buses and quizzing the supposed senior-citizen passengers. "If they can't
identify the accordion player on The Lawrence Welk Show, we get suspicious
about their age," an official said.

Canadian citizens have complained that the illegal immigrants are creating
an organic-broccoli shortage and renting all the good Susan Sarandon movies.
"I feel sorry for American liberals, but the Canadian economy just can't
support them," an Ottawa resident said. "How many art-history majors does
one country need?"

In an effort to ease tensions between the United States and Canada, Vice
President Dick Cheney met with the Canadian ambassador and pledged that the
administration would take steps to reassure liberals, a source close to
Cheney said. "We're going to have some Peter, Paul & Mary concerts. And we
might put some endangered species on postage stamps. The president is
determined to reach out."

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NOYB wrote:
News From the Other Border


The flood of American liberals sneaking across the border into Canada has
intensified in the past week, sparking calls for increased patrols to stop
the illegal immigration.

The unflinching arrogance of the Bush Administration is prompting the exodus
among liberal citizens who fear they'll soon be required to hunt, pray, and
agree with Bill O'Reilly.

Canadian border farmers say it's not uncommon to see dozens of sociology
professors, animal-rights activists, and Unitarians crossing their fieldsat
night. "I went out to milk the cows the other day, and there was a Hollywood
producer huddled in the barn," said Manitoba farmer Red Greenfield, whose
acreage borders North Dakota. The producer was cold, exhausted and
hungry."He asked me if I could spare a latte and some free-range chicken.
When I said I didn't have any, he left. Didn't even get a chance to show him
my screenplay."

In an effort to stop the illegal aliens, Greenfield erected higher fences,
but the liberals scaled them. So he tried installing speakers that blare
Rush Limbaugh across the fields. "Not real effective," he said. "The
liberals still got through, and Rush annoyed the cows so much they wouldn't
give milk"

Officials are particularly concerned about smugglers who meet liberals near
the Canadian border, pack them into Volvo station wagons, drive them across
the border and leave them to fend for themselves. "A lot of these people are
not prepared for rugged conditions," an Ontario border patrolman said. "I
found one carload without a drop of drinking water. They did have a pleasant
little Napa Valley cabernet, though."

When liberals are caught, they're sent back across the border, often wailing
loudly that they fear retribution from conservatives. Rumors have been
circulating about the Bush administration establishing re-education campsin
which liberals will be forced to drink domestic beer and watch NASCAR.

Liberals have turned to sometimes-ingenious ways of crossing the border.
Some have taken to posing as senior citizens on bus trips to buy cheap
Canadian prescription drugs. After catching a half-dozen young vegans
disguised in powdered wigs, Canadian immigration authorities began stopping
buses and quizzing the supposed senior-citizen passengers. "If they can't
identify the accordion player on The Lawrence Welk Show, we get suspicious
about their age," an official said.

Canadian citizens have complained that the illegal immigrants are creating
an organic-broccoli shortage and renting all the good Susan Sarandon movies.
"I feel sorry for American liberals, but the Canadian economy just can't
support them," an Ottawa resident said. "How many art-history majors does
one country need?"

In an effort to ease tensions between the United States and Canada, Vice
President Dick Cheney met with the Canadian ambassador and pledged that the
administration would take steps to reassure liberals, a source close to
Cheney said. "We're going to have some Peter, Paul & Mary concerts. And we
might put some endangered species on postage stamps. The president is
determined to reach out."

Oh fer cry sakes, NOYB, that was already old immediately after the last
election.
Some clinical reading for you:

The Cluster B personality disorders of the DSM-IV include the
antisocial, borderline, histrionic, and narcissistic personality
disorders. While none of these are a perfect description of the typical
troll's behavior, they do share features with the troll.
First of all is the antisocial personality disorder, also known as
psychopathy or sociopathy. Antisocial behavior includes some of the
following elements:
ï‚· Failure to conform to social norms
ï‚· Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or
conning others for personal profit or pleasure
ï‚· Consistent irresponsibility
ï‚· Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or
rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another
Narcissism is the ego unbound. The DSM-IV describes the narcissistic
personality disorder as, "A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in
fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy,
beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts...."
Some indicative behavior are these:
ï‚· Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates
achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without
commensurate achievements)
ï‚· Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power,
brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
ï‚· Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of
especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her
expectations
ï‚· Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to
achieve his or her own ends
ï‚· Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the
feelings and needs of others
ï‚· Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
Some elements of the histrionic personality disorder, a disordered
personality exhibiting an excessive need for attention, also manifest
themselves in trolls:
ï‚· Is uncomfortable in situations in which he or she is not the center
of attention
ï‚· Interaction with others is often characterized by provocative
behavior
ï‚· Has a style of speech that is excessively impressionistic and
lacking in detail
What the Cluster B personality disorders have in common is manipulative
behavior, a lack of empathy, and self-centeredness. What separates
trolls from typical people with Cluster B personality disorders is a
form of social aversion or fear of identification that prevents them
from acting out their self-centered behavior in less anonymous places.
The result is that these needs are satisfied on the Internet. Here are
my criteria for the Internet Troll Personality Disorder:
The Internet Troll Personality Disorder is characterized by
attention-seeking and disruptive behavior in anonymous, delocalized
places of socializing. It is indicated by the following traits:
1. A tendency to make provocative comments to invoke emotional
responses in others
2. A lack of connection to the community being trolled; i.e., will
leave if desired response is not invoked ("Do not feed the trolls!")
3. A dissatisfaction with one's life and a cynical attitude towards
things in general
4. A tendency to challenge the rules and authorities of a community
5. A preference to exhibit these behaviors only in places where one's
true identity is unknown
Disclaimer: It takes a qualified professional to diagnose anyone with a
personality disorder.
Source:
http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/di...sification.htm

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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...



Oh fer cry sakes, NOYB, that was already old immediately after the last
election.
Some clinical reading for you:

The Cluster B personality disorders of the DSM-IV include the...


Oh fer cry sakes, Chuck, that was already old immediately after I posted it
for Harry several years ago.

If you're going to criticize anybody for posting redundancies, then you
might want to first start by looking within.

And get a sense of humor.

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NOYB wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...



Oh fer cry sakes, NOYB, that was already old immediately after the last
election.
Some clinical reading for you:

The Cluster B personality disorders of the DSM-IV include the...


Oh fer cry sakes, Chuck, that was already old immediately after I posted it
for Harry several years ago.

If you're going to criticize anybody for posting redundancies, then you
might want to first start by looking within.

And get a sense of humor.


I don't criticize redundancies, I criticize trolls.

If you feel a need to send private notes to Harry, use email.
Now that most of the trolling has abated in this group, the handful of
guys still doing much of it are glaringly obvious, aren't they? No need
to answer the following question, but aside from being trolls, what do
most of the few remaining trolls have in common?
(I have drawn a conclusion, but won't express it here due to the risk
of appearing to troll as well).

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On 26 Jun 2006 09:38:00 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Wow! [No further comment.]


Some clinical reading for you:

The Cluster B personality disorders of the DSM-IV include the
antisocial, borderline, histrionic, and narcissistic personality
disorders. While none of these are a perfect description of the typical
troll's behavior, they do share features with the troll.
First of all is the antisocial personality disorder, also known as
psychopathy or sociopathy. Antisocial behavior includes some of the
following elements:
? Failure to conform to social norms
? Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or
conning others for personal profit or pleasure
? Consistent irresponsibility
? Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or
rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another
Narcissism is the ego unbound. The DSM-IV describes the narcissistic
personality disorder as, "A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in
fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy,
beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts...."
Some indicative behavior are these:
? Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates
achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without
commensurate achievements)
? Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power,
brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
? Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of
especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her
expectations
? Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to
achieve his or her own ends
? Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the
feelings and needs of others
? Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
Some elements of the histrionic personality disorder, a disordered
personality exhibiting an excessive need for attention, also manifest
themselves in trolls:
? Is uncomfortable in situations in which he or she is not the center
of attention
? Interaction with others is often characterized by provocative
behavior
? Has a style of speech that is excessively impressionistic and
lacking in detail
What the Cluster B personality disorders have in common is manipulative
behavior, a lack of empathy, and self-centeredness. What separates
trolls from typical people with Cluster B personality disorders is a
form of social aversion or fear of identification that prevents them
from acting out their self-centered behavior in less anonymous places.
The result is that these needs are satisfied on the Internet. Here are
my criteria for the Internet Troll Personality Disorder:
The Internet Troll Personality Disorder is characterized by
attention-seeking and disruptive behavior in anonymous, delocalized
places of socializing. It is indicated by the following traits:
1. A tendency to make provocative comments to invoke emotional
responses in others
2. A lack of connection to the community being trolled; i.e., will
leave if desired response is not invoked ("Do not feed the trolls!")
3. A dissatisfaction with one's life and a cynical attitude towards
things in general
4. A tendency to challenge the rules and authorities of a community
5. A preference to exhibit these behaviors only in places where one's
true identity is unknown
Disclaimer: It takes a qualified professional to diagnose anyone with a
personality disorder.
Source:
http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/di...sification.htm

--
John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

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On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:20:21 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
roups.com...



Oh fer cry sakes, NOYB, that was already old immediately after the last
election.
Some clinical reading for you:

The Cluster B personality disorders of the DSM-IV include the...


Oh fer cry sakes, Chuck, that was already old immediately after I posted it
for Harry several years ago.

If you're going to criticize anybody for posting redundancies, then you
might want to first start by looking within.

And get a sense of humor.

Redundant anti-trolling posts are good things.
--
John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:20:21 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...




You two netcops should get a room and entertain yourselves with your
silliness.

Been boating yet this year, John?

Do you think your wife could help poor Chuck? I think he's on the verge of a
nervous breakdown.
Jim

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On 26 Jun 2006 09:38:00 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Disclaimer: It takes a qualified professional to diagnose anyone with a
personality disorder.
Source:
http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/di...sification.htm

=================================

NOYBy will try to get his teeth into it...

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Harry Krause wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On 26 Jun 2006 09:38:00 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Disclaimer: It takes a qualified professional to diagnose anyone with a
personality disorder.
Source:
http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/di...sification.htm

=================================

NOYBy will try to get his teeth into it...



And Chuck will write a review if he can get a free ride or ad... :-}

Of course he will, Chuck writes for a boating magazine and that is what
they do. If it wasn't for those ads, we would not have any boating
magazines.

Chucks articles about the boats he sees are as good as any I have read,
and when he reposts them in rec.boats, they always stir up great on
topic posts.



--
Reggie

That's my story and I am sticking to it!

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On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:31:40 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:20:21 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...




You two netcops should get a room and entertain yourselves with your
silliness.

Been boating yet this year, John?

And *you* should read Chuck's post very carefully.

Yes.
--
John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

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On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:28:10 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On 26 Jun 2006 09:38:00 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Disclaimer: It takes a qualified professional to diagnose anyone with a
personality disorder.
Source:
http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/di...sification.htm

=================================

NOYBy will try to get his teeth into it...



And Chuck will write a review if he can get a free ride or ad... :-}

Of course he will, Chuck writes for a boating magazine and that is what
they do. If it wasn't for those ads, we would not have any boating
magazines.

Chucks articles about the boats he sees are as good as any I have read,
and when he reposts them in rec.boats, they always stir up great on
topic posts.

And they do so without invectiveness.
--
John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

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On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:31:40 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:20:21 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...




You two netcops should get a room and entertain yourselves with your
silliness.

Been boating yet this year, John?

BTW, what is it about anti-name calling or anti-troll posts that bothers
you?
--
John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

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On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 20:41:23 GMT, "Jim" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:20:21 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...




You two netcops should get a room and entertain yourselves with your
silliness.

Been boating yet this year, John?

Do you think your wife could help poor Chuck? I think he's on the verge of a
nervous breakdown.
Jim

Is there something about anti-name calling or anti-troll posts that bothers
you?
--
John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
Jim wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:20:21 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...


You two netcops should get a room and entertain yourselves with your
silliness.

Been boating yet this year, John?

Do you think your wife could help poor Chuck? I think he's on the verge
of a nervous breakdown.
Jim


He does seem to take this usenet posting a bit too seriously.

Isn't he about due for another self-imposed sabbatical?

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Harry Krause wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On 26 Jun 2006 09:38:00 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Disclaimer: It takes a qualified professional to diagnose anyone
with a
personality disorder.
Source:
http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/di...sification.htm
=================================

NOYBy will try to get his teeth into it...


And Chuck will write a review if he can get a free ride or ad... :-}

Of course he will, Chuck writes for a boating magazine and that is
what they do. If it wasn't for those ads, we would not have any
boating magazines.

Chucks articles about the boats he sees are as good as any I have
read, and when he reposts them in rec.boats, they always stir up great
on topic posts.





Some of them are fun to read, as I have commented from time to time, but
they're advertorials, with the emphasis on "ad."

I don't disagree with you, but those "ads" or "reviews" are most new
boaters introduction to the different boats on the market. As long as
people understand (and I think most readers understand) they are not
critical reviews of the boats) they do give a potential boat buyer a
list of boats to review in detail at the dealer or boat show.

These fluff pieces or "advertorials" are not limited to boating
magazines and their staff, it is that way in 99% of the catagory
magazines (ie Photography, HiFi etc).

As I said, I am glad Chuck and the boat magaszines continue to write
their "reviews", they make for some fun reading and keep the magazines
in business.

Chuck does a great job of stirring up on topic posts in rec.boats, and
at times we really need some stirring up.

--
Reggie

That's my story and I am sticking to it!

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"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:31:40 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:20:21 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...




You two netcops should get a room and entertain yourselves with your
silliness.

Been boating yet this year, John?

BTW, what is it about anti-name calling or anti-troll posts that bothers
you?
--

Calling someone a troll is anti-name calling?

You net cops sure have some funny rules.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On 26 Jun 2006 09:38:00 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Disclaimer: It takes a qualified professional to diagnose anyone with a
personality disorder.
Source:
http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/di...sification.htm

=================================

NOYBy will try to get his teeth into it...

Takes a bi-molar person.

Eisboch

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"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 20:41:23 GMT, "Jim" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
m...
JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:20:21 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...




You two netcops should get a room and entertain yourselves with your
silliness.

Been boating yet this year, John?

Do you think your wife could help poor Chuck? I think he's on the verge of
a
nervous breakdown.
Jim

Is there something about anti-name calling or anti-troll posts that
bothers
you?
--
John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

No
Jim

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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
Harry Krause wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On 26 Jun 2006 09:38:00 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Disclaimer: It takes a qualified professional to diagnose anyone with
a
personality disorder.
Source:
http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/di...sification.htm
=================================

NOYBy will try to get his teeth into it...


And Chuck will write a review if he can get a free ride or ad... :-}

Of course he will, Chuck writes for a boating magazine and that is what
they do. If it wasn't for those ads, we would not have any boating
magazines.

Chucks articles about the boats he sees are as good as any I have read,
and when he reposts them in rec.boats, they always stir up great on
topic posts.





Some of them are fun to read, as I have commented from time to time, but
they're advertorials, with the emphasis on "ad."

I don't disagree with you, but those "ads" or "reviews" are most new
boaters introduction to the different boats on the market. As long as
people understand (and I think most readers understand) they are not
critical reviews of the boats) they do give a potential boat buyer a list
of boats to review in detail at the dealer or boat show.

These fluff pieces or "advertorials" are not limited to boating magazines
and their staff, it is that way in 99% of the catagory magazines (ie
Photography, HiFi etc).

As I said, I am glad Chuck and the boat magaszines continue to write their
"reviews", they make for some fun reading and keep the magazines in
business.

Chuck does a great job of stirring up on topic posts in rec.boats, and at
times we really need some stirring up.

--
Reggie

That's my story and I am sticking to it!
Those infomercials are kind of dull without pictures, doncha think?
Jim

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Jim wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
Harry Krause wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On 26 Jun 2006 09:38:00 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Disclaimer: It takes a qualified professional to diagnose anyone with
a
personality disorder.
Source:
http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/di...sification.htm
=================================

NOYBy will try to get his teeth into it...

And Chuck will write a review if he can get a free ride or ad... :-}
Of course he will, Chuck writes for a boating magazine and that is what
they do. If it wasn't for those ads, we would not have any boating
magazines.

Chucks articles about the boats he sees are as good as any I have read,
and when he reposts them in rec.boats, they always stir up great on
topic posts.




Some of them are fun to read, as I have commented from time to time, but
they're advertorials, with the emphasis on "ad."
I don't disagree with you, but those "ads" or "reviews" are most new
boaters introduction to the different boats on the market. As long as
people understand (and I think most readers understand) they are not
critical reviews of the boats) they do give a potential boat buyer a list
of boats to review in detail at the dealer or boat show.

These fluff pieces or "advertorials" are not limited to boating magazines
and their staff, it is that way in 99% of the catagory magazines (ie
Photography, HiFi etc).

As I said, I am glad Chuck and the boat magaszines continue to write their
"reviews", they make for some fun reading and keep the magazines in
business.

Chuck does a great job of stirring up on topic posts in rec.boats, and at
times we really need some stirring up.

--
Reggie

That's my story and I am sticking to it!
Those infomercials are kind of dull without pictures, doncha think?
Jim


Jim,
The articles are as good as any I have read in a boating magazine, but
the real benefit of the reprints is they stir up some nice on topic
discussions. It doesn't matter if you like the boat or hate the boat
Chuck is writing about, those threads a great for rec.boats.

I am glad he posts them, because even if I gloss over the original
posts, I always enjoy reading the thread. For the most part, the
threads remain on topic, entertaining and informative.
--
Reggie

That's my story and I am sticking to it!

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:31:40 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:20:21 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...


You two netcops should get a room and entertain yourselves with your
silliness.

Been boating yet this year, John?

BTW, what is it about anti-name calling or anti-troll posts that bothers
you?
--
John H


I'm consistent, John. I don't like unctuousness, a quality you, Gould,
Smithers, et al, have in abundance. I've posted this before. That's for
starters.

Second, you're a facilitator of bad behavior here. Several have pointed
that out. Your constant response of "Who, me?" is recognized for the
bull**** it is.

Third, you're not clever enough with words to play Zoltan Karpathy, John,
so your oiling and oozing your way around here only makes you
look...silly.


I score that reply a clear knock out.

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On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:19:56 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:31:40 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:20:21 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...


You two netcops should get a room and entertain yourselves with your
silliness.

Been boating yet this year, John?

BTW, what is it about anti-name calling or anti-troll posts that bothers
you?
--
John H


I'm consistent, John. I don't like unctuousness, a quality you, Gould,
Smithers, et al, have in abundance. I've posted this before. That's for
starters.

And many don't like your brand of post.


Second, you're a facilitator of bad behavior here. Several have pointed
that out. Your constant response of "Who, me?" is recognized for the
bull**** it is.


More horsecrap to cover up your behavior.

Third, you're not clever enough with words to play Zoltan Karpathy,
John, so your oiling and oozing your way around here only makes you
look...silly.

Thanks for the compliment. You're clever also, which is why I can't
understand your desire to swim in the crap.
--
John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

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Harry Krause wrote:


I'm consistent, John. I don't like unctuousness, a quality you, Gould,
Smithers, et al, have in abundance. I've posted this before. That's for
starters.


Harry,
For years you made hundreds of posts stating Chuck was a class act and
one of the most important contributor to rec.boats. You viewed as on of
your best friends in rec.boats, and you always wanted to meet him in
real life. Just because you disagree on an issue does not change who
or what he is.

Chuck is the same person today as he has been since he first started
posting in rec.boats. He is a very well read, very articulate, informed
boater who probably spends more time using his boat than most of the
regulars in rec.boats combined. He can be very opinionated on certain
subjects, but so are 90% of the regulars. For the past 6 months, he has
gone out of his way to stay away from inflammatory posts because he
observed rec.boats had become a flame fest with very few on topic posts.
Since then he had tried to encourage on topic posts and encourage others
to stay away form inflamatory topics, while we are far from perfect,
rec.boats is a better boating forum today, than it was 8 months ago.
As a boater, you really should thank him for contributing to a better NG
to discuss and read boating topics.


--
Reggie

That's my story and I am sticking to it!

OT--For our Canadian friends. ( Illegal border crossings)
 

I score that reply a clear knock out.



I have been reading Usenet for many years. The one thing that is a
constant in Usenet is no one ever wins an Newsgroup argument. There has
never been a clear knock out in Usenet history, these knock out attempts
only result an escalation of the argument, with a certainty that no one
will ever be "knocked out".



--
Reggie

That's my story and I am sticking to it!

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Looks like I hit a raw nerve, eh Harry?

Nobody is "telling anybody what to do."

NOYB expressed his opinion about liberals.

I expressed mine about trolls.

It could very well be that posting an anti-liberal screed in a boating
newsgroup is *not* a troll, so I'd be delighted to learn just exactly
what some BS "talking point" from the Limbaugh or Hannity show
contributes to the subject of recreational boating.

It could very well be that I am wrong, and NOYB was clearly on topic
with his bigoted, hateful silliness. Enlighten me. NOYB's regurgitation
of the tired out: "Canada is overwhelmed with illegal immigrants as US
liberals flee from election defeat and the Bush Administration" is on
topic here exactly how?

Meanwhile, I'll begin a diligent search for NOYB's last on-topic post.
Must have been at least one or two in the last few months....

You excuse a lot of the crap you toss out here as "just something I
want to use to tweak NOYB". He excuses a lot of the crap he posts as
something he's trying to use to tweak you. Why don't you two take it to
email?

Call me a netcop all you like. I'd rather be guilty of suggesting that
people would be better to stay on topic than guilty of deliberately
trying to drive the group into some off-topic **** hole.

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Jim wrote:

Those infomercials are kind of dull without pictures, doncha think?
Jim


For $35 a year, you can read all the same "infomercials" (actually
more- an average of 3-4 boat articles per month) with pictures. :-)

Or send me an email, and I can send you photos for a specific item at
no charge.

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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
. ..
For the past 6 months, he has gone out of his way to stay away from
inflammatory posts

Horsepoop. Chuck was the first person to respond to this OT post.


because he
observed rec.boats had become a flame fest with very few on topic posts.
Since then he had tried to encourage on topic posts and encourage others
to stay away form inflamatory topics, while we are far from perfect,
rec.boats is a better boating forum today, than it was 8 months ago.
As a boater, you really should thank him for contributing to a better NG
to discuss and read boating topics.


You used to be one of the good guys. Your flip-flop into the land of
netcopism is disheartening.

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NOYB wrote:

Horsepoop. Chuck was the first person to respond to this OT post.


By suggesting you shove the political BS back up the orifice from which
it emerged.

You apparently admit that your post was a blatant troll, simply to see
who might respond? You obviously now admit it was OT.

Do you need a referral to a political website? Is that it? There are
hundreds where your
nonsense would be appropriate. Try this one: http://www.jbs.org/
People go there to yak yak about liberals, etc. Most people come here
to talk boats, and the political BS just attracts an element that dumps
extremist rheotric into a wide number of cross posted groups.

I, for one, will look forward to your future boating related posts in a
boating NG. If you want to post political crap here, be prepared for
some fallout. If the fallout makes you uncomfortable enough that you
need to lash out on the basis of personality, etc....good!

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Harry Krause wrote:



I doubt the "fallout" makes NOYB uncomfortable. It doesn't make me
uncomfortable, either. It just makes you look unctuous.

I absolutely believe that the dedicated trolls in this NG are *not*
bothered by the fallout. (Maybe there's hope for the aspiring trolls,
but it's hard to say)
Some people could give a flying fig less about anything except their
own need to
lob crap into the NG and raise a middle finger in some sort of sick or
twisted "triumph" when they do.

Nothing stops or prevents a troll from screwing up the group except
conscience (missing in many cases), self control (also in short supply
in some cases), and maybe a little peer pressure. Consider me peer
pressure. Don't lilke it? Great. You're not supposed to like it. If it
doesn't bother you, (as you claim), then you will find no need to make
snide and catty personal remarks- as you have done several times so far
in this thread.

I think the following few paragraphs have a lot to say to certain
people he

*********

The Internet Troll Personality Disorder is characterized by
attention-seeking and disruptive behavior in anonymous, delocalized
places of socializing. It is indicated by the following traits:
1. A tendency to make provocative comments to invoke emotional
responses in others
2. A lack of connection to the community being trolled; i.e., will
leave if desired response is not invoked ("Do not feed the trolls!")
3. A dissatisfaction with one's life and a cynical attitude towards
things in general
4. A tendency to challenge the rules and authorities of a community
5. A preference to exhibit these behaviors only in places where one's
true identity is unknown
Disclaimer: It takes a qualified professional to diagnose anyone with a
personality disorder.
Source:
http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/di...sification.htm
**********

So if we examine those in some detail:

The Internet Troll Personality Disorder is characterized by
attention-seeking and disruptive behavior in anonymous, delocalized
places of socializing. It is indicated by the following traits:
1. A tendency to make provocative comments to invoke emotional
responses in others

{You would certainly need to include posting political crap into a
newsgroup that isn't intended to be political in nature and where
participants have a reasonable expectation of different subject matter
as "provocative", wouldn't you? Then of course there are the personal
attacks from any side, "to invoke emotional responses in others."}


2. A lack of connection to the community being trolled; i.e., will
leave if desired response is not invoked ("Do not feed the trolls!")


{Wouldn't it seem obvious that those people who never (or seldom) post
anything in rec.boats that isn't a political troll exhibit a "lack of
connection to the community being trolled"?}

3. A dissatisfaction with one's life and a cynical attitude towards
things in general

{Yup, there you go. 90% of trolls are bitching about something. It's
either the GD liberals, or the GD president, or the GD poster with a
different political opinion, or the GD poster who dares to suggest it
would be better to remain on topic in the NG.}


4. A tendency to challenge the rules and authorities of a community

{While there are no authorities in rec.boats, there are some rules of
common courtesy and a reasonable expectation that with the tens of
thousands of sites available on the internet the guys who want to argue
politics all the time can more easily find a "GD the liberals" or a "GD
the president" site than boaters can find other boating sites. Comments
like, "You're absolutely out of line to suggest that anybody posting OT
topic here could be out of line, everybody should be able to post what
they want- unless what they want to post is a reminder to stay on
topic...." certainly challenges the unwritten "rules" of the
community.}

5. A preference to exhibit these behaviors only in places where one's
true identity is unknown

{Exhibit A: NOYB. Who the heck is NOYB? Is Bert Robbins really Bert's
name?
Yes, you're actually Harry Krause. Not everybody exhibits all 5
characteristics.Check out the posts from other trolls, and you will
notice that most of them do not use a complete or actual name.}

Disclaimer: It takes a qualified professional to diagnose anyone with a
personality disorder.
Source:
http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/di...sification.htm

*******************

Damn shame if a guy's life is so narrow that no matter what he has to
say the only place he can find to express himself is in a boating
newsgroup. That's probably not true in your case, but sometimes I have
my doubts about a few others.........

I think we should stick to boats, and I will continue offering comments
to those who abuse the NG to get their personal, political rocks off.
If you don't like it- great, and if it really "didn't bother you" you
wouldn't get all grammar school silly and insulting in response.

OT--For our Canadian friends. ( Illegal border crossings)
 

On 26 Jun 2006 22:38:40 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:


Harry Krause wrote:



I doubt the "fallout" makes NOYB uncomfortable. It doesn't make me
uncomfortable, either. It just makes you look unctuous.

I absolutely believe that the dedicated trolls in this NG are *not*
bothered by the fallout. (Maybe there's hope for the aspiring trolls,
but it's hard to say)
Some people could give a flying fig less about anything except their
own need to
lob crap into the NG and raise a middle finger in some sort of sick or
twisted "triumph" when they do.


This NG used to be full of liberals and conservatives, and it argued
about politics.

Now it's full of trolls and netcops, and it argues about trolling and
netcopping.

6 of one, 1/2 dozen of the other...

Jack

OT--For our Canadian friends. ( Illegal border crossings)
 

On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:19:43 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

That's your privilege. It is interesting that your "comments" usually
take up about five times as much bandwidth as what you call a troll.

Bandwidth is not the issue, plenty of that. It's the general tone of
the newsgroup, which thanks to the efforts of you and a few others has
improved quite a bit.

Let's keep up the good work and get a few more of the boating regulars
back online instead of scaring them off.

What are you looking for in your next boat?

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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ups.com...

NOYB wrote:

Horsepoop. Chuck was the first person to respond to this OT post.


By suggesting you shove the political BS back up the orifice from which
it emerged.

You apparently admit that your post was a blatant troll, simply to see
who might respond? You obviously now admit it was OT.

No I didn't. OT does not necessarily equal troll. It was a post made in
good humor, nothing more.




Do you need a referral to a political website? Is that it? There are
hundreds where your
nonsense would be appropriate. Try this one: http://www.jbs.org/
People go there to yak yak about liberals, etc. Most people come here
to talk boats, and the political BS just attracts an element that dumps
extremist rheotric into a wide number of cross posted groups.

I don't cross-post, swear, name-call or the like. When there's a boating
topic of interest, I'll participate.



I, for one, will look forward to your future boating related posts in a
boating NG. If you want to post political crap here, be prepared for
some fallout. If the fallout makes you uncomfortable enough that you
need to lash out on the basis of personality, etc....good!

Who's the one lashing out? You responded to my post with the name calling.

OT--For our Canadian friends. ( Illegal border crossings)
 

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ups.com...

Harry Krause wrote:



I doubt the "fallout" makes NOYB uncomfortable. It doesn't make me
uncomfortable, either. It just makes you look unctuous.

I absolutely believe that the dedicated trolls in this NG are *not*
bothered by the fallout. (Maybe there's hope for the aspiring trolls,
but it's hard to say)
Some people could give a flying fig less about anything except their
own need to
lob crap into the NG and raise a middle finger in some sort of sick or
twisted "triumph" when they do.

Nothing stops or prevents a troll from screwing up the group except
conscience (missing in many cases), self control (also in short supply
in some cases), and maybe a little peer pressure. Consider me peer
pressure.


You're hardly my peer, Chuck. If I ever get so tightly wound as you, then
I'm your peer...and then please shoot me.


Damn shame if a guy's life is so narrow that no matter what he has to
say the only place he can find to express himself is in a boating
newsgroup.

Every day I talk about a multitude of subjects with people from all walks of
life. The internet, for me, is merely a test ground. I like to see how
people respond to certain statements or comments. As you stated, it's
personal interaction without consequences. People say things here they may
or may not say in public. But that's what is great about it. People also
respond here in ways they normally wouldn't respond in public...'cause if
they did, they'd get punched in the mouth.

To me, it's a fascinating study in human nature.

That's probably not true in your case, but sometimes I have
my doubts about a few others.........

I think we should stick to boats,

Go right ahead. Nobody is stopping you.

and I will continue offering comments
to those who abuse the NG to get their personal, political rocks off.

But what if they get their rocks off by bantering with netcops?

If you don't like it- great, and if it really "didn't bother you" you
wouldn't get all grammar school silly and insulting in response.

You mean like a 50-something year old man playing hallway monitor on his
computer?

OT--For our Canadian friends. ( Illegal border crossings)
 

"Jack Goff" wrote in message
...
On 26 Jun 2006 22:38:40 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:


Harry Krause wrote:



I doubt the "fallout" makes NOYB uncomfortable. It doesn't make me
uncomfortable, either. It just makes you look unctuous.

I absolutely believe that the dedicated trolls in this NG are *not*
bothered by the fallout. (Maybe there's hope for the aspiring trolls,
but it's hard to say)
Some people could give a flying fig less about anything except their
own need to
lob crap into the NG and raise a middle finger in some sort of sick or
twisted "triumph" when they do.


This NG used to be full of liberals and conservatives, and it argued
about politics.

Now it's full of trolls and netcops, and it argues about trolling and
netcopping.

6 of one, 1/2 dozen of the other...

LOL. Truer words were never spoken.

OT--For our Canadian friends. ( Illegal border crossings)
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:19:43 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

That's your privilege. It is interesting that your "comments" usually
take up about five times as much bandwidth as what you call a troll.

Bandwidth is not the issue, plenty of that. It's the general tone of
the newsgroup, which thanks to the efforts of you and a few others has
improved quite a bit.

Let's keep up the good work and get a few more of the boating regulars
back online instead of scaring them off.

What are you looking for in your next boat?


About 6 mpg.

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Jack Goff wrote:


This NG used to be full of liberals and conservatives, and it argued
about politics.

Now it's full of trolls and netcops, and it argues about trolling and
netcopping.

6 of one, 1/2 dozen of the other...

Jack

Unfortunately, based upon this weeks flamefests, you might be correct.

--
Reggie

That's my story and I am sticking to it!

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Harry Krause wrote:

Is this Chuck suited up as Netcop?
Or is it John Herring?

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...quettenazi.jpg

Doesn't really matter what the subject is, the old standard still
applies. The first party who reverts to childish personal attack and
insult has clearly failed to carry his primary point. If this is what
you're reduced to, you'd be better to stand down entirely.

Better luck next time, Harry.

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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ups.com...

Harry Krause wrote:

Is this Chuck suited up as Netcop?
Or is it John Herring?

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...quettenazi.jpg

Doesn't really matter what the subject is, the old standard still
applies. The first party who reverts to childish personal attack and
insult has clearly failed to carry his primary point.

I posted a joke about "illegal immigration" into Canada, and you called me a
troll. I guess you failed.

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"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:31:40 -0400, Harry Krause

wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:20:21 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...


You two netcops should get a room and entertain yourselves with your
silliness.

Been boating yet this year, John?

BTW, what is it about anti-name calling or anti-troll posts that
bothers
you?
--
John H


I'm consistent, John. I don't like unctuousness, a quality you, Gould,
Smithers, et al, have in abundance. I've posted this before. That's for
starters.

Second, you're a facilitator of bad behavior here. Several have pointed
that out. Your constant response of "Who, me?" is recognized for the
bull**** it is.

Third, you're not clever enough with words to play Zoltan Karpathy,
John,
so your oiling and oozing your way around here only makes you
look...silly.


I score that reply a clear knock out.

It figures that you'd enjoy the insults and name calling.



sigh

You just can't stop it can you?

I thought I would give you a chance but see that all you do is continue to
try to pick fights with me and others here.

Back in the bozo bin you go Kevin.

See ya!

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Jack Goff wrote:
On 26 Jun 2006 22:38:40 -0700, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:


Harry Krause wrote:



I doubt the "fallout" makes NOYB uncomfortable. It doesn't make me
uncomfortable, either. It just makes you look unctuous.

I absolutely believe that the dedicated trolls in this NG are *not*
bothered by the fallout. (Maybe there's hope for the aspiring trolls,
but it's hard to say)
Some people could give a flying fig less about anything except their
own need to
lob crap into the NG and raise a middle finger in some sort of sick or
twisted "triumph" when they do.


This NG used to be full of liberals and conservatives, and it argued
about politics.

Now it's full of trolls and netcops, and it argues about trolling and
netcopping.

6 of one, 1/2 dozen of the other...

Jack

Nice troll, Jack.