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Bert Robbins June 23rd 06 03:03 AM

What Happened 2000 Years Ago?
 
Here we go again. It's only been a couple of hours and the the
"scientists" are changing their minds. Will they ever get it right?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/D8IDK16G0.html

FishWisher June 23rd 06 03:14 AM

What Happened 2000 Years Ago?
 

Gosh, wouldn't it be refreshing to have them say, for a change, "We
don't know"? They don't know. I don't know. But I do know they don't
know the temperatures of a few hundred years ago - and certainly not a
few thousand.

I gotta think this whole warming nonsense is nothing more than a tool
for those that wish our technology would just plain stop. Pure
politics.

I am old enough to remember when the same folks were spouting off about
"global cooling". Go ahead - say "I don't know". Yeah, right.

Dale


basskisser June 23rd 06 12:33 PM

What Happened 2000 Years Ago?
 

Bert Robbins wrote:
Here we go again. It's only been a couple of hours and the the
"scientists" are changing their minds. Will they ever get it right?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/D8IDK16G0.html


They don't "change their minds". They interpret data. When they
interpret previously unused data, things change. Have you ever altered
your stance on something when you've been given proof that your
previous mindset was wrong?


Bert Robbins June 23rd 06 12:42 PM

What Happened 2000 Years Ago?
 
basskisser wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
Here we go again. It's only been a couple of hours and the the
"scientists" are changing their minds. Will they ever get it right?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/D8IDK16G0.html


They don't "change their minds". They interpret data. When they
interpret previously unused data, things change. Have you ever altered
your stance on something when you've been given proof that your
previous mindset was wrong?


Yes, I have altered my stance. At one time I thought you were just a
mindless twit but, now I know you are a mindless twit.

JoeSpareBedroom June 23rd 06 01:43 PM

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"FishWisher" wrote in message
oups.com...

But I do know they don't
know the temperatures of a few hundred years ago - and certainly not a
few thousand.


How do you KNOW that?



DSK June 23rd 06 01:49 PM

What Happened 2000 Years Ago?
 
But I do know they don't
know the temperatures of a few hundred years ago - and certainly not a
few thousand.



JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
How do you KNOW that?


It must be true, he heard it on right-wing hate-talk radio.

All this environmentalist crap is from the limp-wristed
libby-rulls who want the gov'mint to take away your SUV...
it's the first step towards taking away your guns... next
they'll outlaw NASCAR and chewin' tobacco...

DSK


[email protected] June 23rd 06 04:29 PM

What Happened 2000 Years Ago?
 

Bert Robbins wrote:
Here we go again. It's only been a couple of hours and the the
"scientists" are changing their minds. Will they ever get it right?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/D8IDK16G0.html




Lost my good job in the city
For trollin' through the groups every night and day
I've been known to lose one whole lot of sleep
Staring at the sceen to think of somethin' to say
My need for self expression
Trumps courtesy or discretion
So I'm trollin', trollin',
Trollin' through the newsgroups.

Talked a lotta trash in rec.boats
Repeatin' things from PBS or FOX TV
Gotta take ahold of these usenet groups
To glorify the White House or the DNC
My need for self expression
Trumps courtesy or discretion
So I'm trollin', trollin',
Trollin' through the newsgroups.

When you drop into the newsgroup
You know you're gonna find a lot of people who spin
It don't really matter who you flame or who you insult
It's an argument that nobody can win
My need for self expression
Trumps courtesy or discretion
So I'm trollin', tgrollin',
Trollin' through the newsgroups.
Trollin', trollin',
Trollin' through the newsgroups.


Capt John June 23rd 06 04:48 PM

What Happened 2000 Years Ago?
 

FishWisher wrote:
Gosh, wouldn't it be refreshing to have them say, for a change, "We
don't know"? They don't know. I don't know. But I do know they don't
know the temperatures of a few hundred years ago - and certainly not a
few thousand.

I gotta think this whole warming nonsense is nothing more than a tool
for those that wish our technology would just plain stop. Pure
politics.

I am old enough to remember when the same folks were spouting off about
"global cooling". Go ahead - say "I don't know". Yeah, right.

Dale


Dale,

Like you, I remember back in the 70's or 80's all the "experts" were
talking about global cooling, all the news reports about the coming ice
age, it was everywhere. And then the weather started getting warmer,
and they stopped talking about the next ice age, and started talking
about global warming. Didn't they blame it on the same gasses?

I remember when they tried to blame it on Freon getting up there and
destroying the ozone layer. One little problem, Freon's heavier than
air, it stays down here with us, not up in the ozone layer, they
stopped talking about it.

I guess the "experts" changed their minds about global cooling. Anyone
want to guess what they'll come up with 10 or 20 years from now when it
starts to cool off again? Unfortunately, the young people of today
never heard these reports, they were too young, or weren't born yet. So
they beleave what their told and taught. And the news people are just
looking for a story, they don't really care if it's true or not, their
just telling you what the experts said, that's their out. Anyone that
knows anything about statistics can tell you a one degree change in a
short period of time (400 years out of the life of this planet is less
than a blink of an eye, over thousands of years, you may have
something) is insignificant. But hey, it keeps all the "experts" off
unemployment.


JoeSpareBedroom June 23rd 06 05:10 PM

What Happened 2000 Years Ago?
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:42:02 -0400, Bert Robbins
wrote:

basskisser wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
Here we go again. It's only been a couple of hours and the the
"scientists" are changing their minds. Will they ever get it right?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/D8IDK16G0.html

They don't "change their minds". They interpret data. When they
interpret previously unused data, things change. Have you ever altered
your stance on something when you've been given proof that your
previous mindset was wrong?


Yes, I have altered my stance. At one time I thought you were just a
mindless twit but, now I know you are a mindless twit.


Bert, why don't you post where in the NAS's report they have revised
any data from 400 years to 2000 years.

Obviously, all of the mind changing, twisted logic, and
(dis)information is coming from your "breitbart" source.

Since you are relying on them for the "facts," why don't you explain
the accuracy of their article:
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/0....07o4imol.html
which was posted the same day as the NSA report?

They really seem to be challenged by the facts as much as Santorum
was. You guys just don't value fact checking prior to disclosure very
much do you?


Last night's news reported comments FROM THE PENTAGON which said the mustard
gas was virtually useless at the time of our arrival, and dated back as far
as the Iran-Iraq war. They added that these were not the types of weapons
they considered to be a priority. Some must think the Pentagon is now a
hotbed of left-wing thinking.



basskisser June 23rd 06 05:14 PM

What Happened 2000 Years Ago?
 

Bert Robbins wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
Here we go again. It's only been a couple of hours and the the
"scientists" are changing their minds. Will they ever get it right?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/D8IDK16G0.html


They don't "change their minds". They interpret data. When they
interpret previously unused data, things change. Have you ever altered
your stance on something when you've been given proof that your
previous mindset was wrong?


Yes, I have altered my stance. At one time I thought you were just a
mindless twit but, now I know you are a mindless twit.


Childish and petty name calling certainly does nothing for your
credibility. Grow up.


basskisser June 23rd 06 05:17 PM

What Happened 2000 Years Ago?
 

Bert Robbins wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
Here we go again. It's only been a couple of hours and the the
"scientists" are changing their minds. Will they ever get it right?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/D8IDK16G0.html


They don't "change their minds". They interpret data. When they
interpret previously unused data, things change. Have you ever altered
your stance on something when you've been given proof that your
previous mindset was wrong?


Yes, I have altered my stance. At one time I thought you were just a
mindless twit but, now I know you are a mindless twit.


I see that you are incapable of debating the issue. Just like Rush and
Sean, when you can't bring real and honest data to the table, start
childish name calling.


basskisser June 23rd 06 05:20 PM

What Happened 2000 Years Ago?
 

Capt John wrote:
FishWisher wrote:
Gosh, wouldn't it be refreshing to have them say, for a change, "We
don't know"? They don't know. I don't know. But I do know they don't
know the temperatures of a few hundred years ago - and certainly not a
few thousand.

I gotta think this whole warming nonsense is nothing more than a tool
for those that wish our technology would just plain stop. Pure
politics.

I am old enough to remember when the same folks were spouting off about
"global cooling". Go ahead - say "I don't know". Yeah, right.

Dale


Dale,

Like you, I remember back in the 70's or 80's all the "experts" were
talking about global cooling, all the news reports about the coming ice
age, it was everywhere. And then the weather started getting warmer,
and they stopped talking about the next ice age, and started talking
about global warming. Didn't they blame it on the same gasses?

I remember when they tried to blame it on Freon getting up there and
destroying the ozone layer. One little problem, Freon's heavier than
air, it stays down here with us, not up in the ozone layer, they
stopped talking about it.


Not true! even though is heavier than air, it will mix and by current,
get into the stratosphere easily, when in it's gasseous state:

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/env99/env256.htm


[email protected] June 23rd 06 08:24 PM

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wrote:
My need for self expression
Trumps courtesy or discretion
So I'm trollin', trollin',
Trollin' through the newsgroups.


On the other hand, the right wing has succeeded in pushing this country
towards fascism PRECISELY due to people keeping quiet for fear of
offending their neighbors, friends, relatives, fellow newsgroup
posters, etc.


JohnH June 23rd 06 11:30 PM

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On 23 Jun 2006 12:24:39 -0700, wrote:

wrote:
My need for self expression
Trumps courtesy or discretion
So I'm trollin', trollin',
Trollin' through the newsgroups.


On the other hand, the right wing has succeeded in pushing this country
towards fascism PRECISELY due to people keeping quiet for fear of
offending their neighbors, friends, relatives, fellow newsgroup
posters, etc.


Go to a.politics and yell to your heart's content. Take about a half dozen
folks with you.
--
John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

[email protected] June 24th 06 12:10 AM

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wrote:
wrote:
My need for self expression
Trumps courtesy or discretion
So I'm trollin', trollin',
Trollin' through the newsgroups.


On the other hand, the right wing has succeeded in pushing this country
towards fascism PRECISELY due to people keeping quiet for fear of
offending their neighbors, friends, relatives, fellow newsgroup
posters, etc.



You must be new here. Look back about a year in Google and see what a
mess this NG used to be. Un-fricking-believable. We discovered that it
only took a few people changing behavior to get the group back on
track, and there's always a danger that a few people dedicated to
screwing it back around to a political flame fest might be able to
accomplish that as well.

Please do speak out for your particular political perspectives and
don't let anybody silence or intimidate you.............but just don't
speak out for your particular political perspectives in an
inappropriate venue. Would you stand up in the middle of a Baptist
church service and start reading the Talmud in Hebrew? Probably not.
There's not a darn thing wrong with reading the Talmud in Hebrew,
repeating the Limbaugh "dittohead" talking points of the day, copying
and pasting the current issues list from moveon.org, etc. Just do it
where you should do it, and not where you should not. Please.


Bert Robbins June 24th 06 02:50 AM

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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:42:02 -0400, Bert Robbins
wrote:

basskisser wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
Here we go again. It's only been a couple of hours and the the
"scientists" are changing their minds. Will they ever get it right?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/D8IDK16G0.html
They don't "change their minds". They interpret data. When they
interpret previously unused data, things change. Have you ever altered
your stance on something when you've been given proof that your
previous mindset was wrong?

Yes, I have altered my stance. At one time I thought you were just a
mindless twit but, now I know you are a mindless twit.


Bert, why don't you post where in the NAS's report they have revised
any data from 400 years to 2000 years.

Obviously, all of the mind changing, twisted logic, and
(dis)information is coming from your "breitbart" source.


Gene, I guess you missed the by lines of the articles where it said that
the were AP (Associated Press wire service news articles). Does that
change your view of the veracity of the articles or is the AP now a
dis-information section of the RNC?


Since you are relying on them for the "facts," why don't you explain
the accuracy of their article:
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/0....07o4imol.html
which was posted the same day as the NSA report?


No I am not relying upon Brietbart, I am relying upon their sources
which are AP and AFP (http://www.afp.com/english/afp/?pid=history) for
the ariticles I referenced and the one you referenced.
"AFP is the world's oldest established news agency, founded in 1835 by
Charles-Louis Havas, the father of global journalism.
Today, the agency continues to expand its operations worldwide, reaching
thousands of subscribers via radio, television, newspapers and companies
from its main headquarters in Paris and regional centers in Washington,
Hong Kong, Nicosia and Montevideo. All share the same goal: to guarantee
top quality international service tailored to the specific needs of
clients in each region."

They really seem to be challenged by the facts as much as Santorum
was. You guys just don't value fact checking prior to disclosure very
much do you?


Gene you have stuck both feet in your mouth this time. If one of your
left wing buddies had posted eigher

Bert Robbins June 24th 06 02:51 AM

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basskisser wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
Here we go again. It's only been a couple of hours and the the
"scientists" are changing their minds. Will they ever get it right?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/D8IDK16G0.html
They don't "change their minds". They interpret data. When they
interpret previously unused data, things change. Have you ever altered
your stance on something when you've been given proof that your
previous mindset was wrong?

Yes, I have altered my stance. At one time I thought you were just a
mindless twit but, now I know you are a mindless twit.


I see that you are incapable of debating the issue. Just like Rush and
Sean, when you can't bring real and honest data to the table, start
childish name calling.


Kevin, have you been smoking what you grow in your parents basement lately?

JoeSpareBedroom June 24th 06 02:58 AM

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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..

Obviously, all of the mind changing, twisted logic, and
(dis)information is coming from your "breitbart" source.


Gene, I guess you missed the by lines of the articles where it said that
the were AP (Associated Press wire service news articles). Does that
change your view of the veracity of the articles or is the AP now a
dis-information section of the RNC?


OK - let me get this straight:

- If you (and I mean YOU, not "someone") spent time interviewing a
scientist, could you write an article in which you accurately represented
what he had told you?

It's a simple question. Yes, or no.



JoeSpareBedroom June 24th 06 02:58 AM

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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..
basskisser wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
Here we go again. It's only been a couple of hours and the the
"scientists" are changing their minds. Will they ever get it right?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/D8IDK16G0.html
They don't "change their minds". They interpret data. When they
interpret previously unused data, things change. Have you ever altered
your stance on something when you've been given proof that your
previous mindset was wrong?

Yes, I have altered my stance. At one time I thought you were just a
mindless twit but, now I know you are a mindless twit.


I see that you are incapable of debating the issue. Just like Rush and
Sean, when you can't bring real and honest data to the table, start
childish name calling.


Kevin, have you been smoking what you grow in your parents basement
lately?


You just proved his point, Bertie.



Bert Robbins June 24th 06 03:00 AM

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..

Obviously, all of the mind changing, twisted logic, and
(dis)information is coming from your "breitbart" source.

Gene, I guess you missed the by lines of the articles where it said that
the were AP (Associated Press wire service news articles). Does that
change your view of the veracity of the articles or is the AP now a
dis-information section of the RNC?


OK - let me get this straight:

- If you (and I mean YOU, not "someone") spent time interviewing a
scientist, could you write an article in which you accurately represented
what he had told you?


Yes.

It's a simple question. Yes, or no.


Asked and answered.


Bert Robbins June 24th 06 03:00 AM

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..
basskisser wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
Here we go again. It's only been a couple of hours and the the
"scientists" are changing their minds. Will they ever get it right?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/D8IDK16G0.html
They don't "change their minds". They interpret data. When they
interpret previously unused data, things change. Have you ever altered
your stance on something when you've been given proof that your
previous mindset was wrong?

Yes, I have altered my stance. At one time I thought you were just a
mindless twit but, now I know you are a mindless twit.
I see that you are incapable of debating the issue. Just like Rush and
Sean, when you can't bring real and honest data to the table, start
childish name calling.

Kevin, have you been smoking what you grow in your parents basement
lately?


You just proved his point, Bertie.


Thanks Doug Kanter. Are you stalking me now along with you buddy Harry?



JoeSpareBedroom June 24th 06 03:08 AM

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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..
basskisser wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
Here we go again. It's only been a couple of hours and the the
"scientists" are changing their minds. Will they ever get it right?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/D8IDK16G0.html
They don't "change their minds". They interpret data. When they
interpret previously unused data, things change. Have you ever
altered
your stance on something when you've been given proof that your
previous mindset was wrong?

Yes, I have altered my stance. At one time I thought you were just a
mindless twit but, now I know you are a mindless twit.
I see that you are incapable of debating the issue. Just like Rush and
Sean, when you can't bring real and honest data to the table, start
childish name calling.

Kevin, have you been smoking what you grow in your parents basement
lately?


You just proved his point, Bertie.


Thanks Doug Kanter. Are you stalking me now along with you buddy Harry?



Stalking you? When people jump on your silly comments, you consider it
stalking?



NOYB June 24th 06 04:32 AM

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"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Bert Robbins wrote:
Here we go again. It's only been a couple of hours and the the
"scientists" are changing their minds. Will they ever get it right?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/D8IDK16G0.html


They don't "change their minds". They interpret data. When they
interpret previously unused data, things change. Have you ever altered
your stance on something when you've been given proof that your
previous mindset was wrong?


So let's talk about Schnapps and Whiskey...



Bryan June 24th 06 04:53 AM

What Happened 2000 Years Ago?
 

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..
Here we go again. It's only been a couple of hours and the the
"scientists" are changing their minds. Will they ever get it right?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/D8IDK16G0.html


They do have it right, Bert. Give the most logical explanation that best
fits the available evidence. When new evidence arises, adjust the
explanation to fit the evidence. Is there something wrong with this
objective approach to understanding our world?



Bert Robbins June 24th 06 01:10 PM

What Happened 2000 Years Ago?
 
Bryan wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..
Here we go again. It's only been a couple of hours and the the
"scientists" are changing their minds. Will they ever get it right?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/D8IDK16G0.html


They do have it right, Bert. Give the most logical explanation that best
fits the available evidence. When new evidence arises, adjust the
explanation to fit the evidence. Is there something wrong with this
objective approach to understanding our world?


Science is nothing more than observation and consensus. You observe
something and then you look for consensus of your observation by your
"peers." This consensus can be biased by political and economic
considerations.

Does the phrase "it is accepted in the scientific community" cause you
to sit up and say what do you mean "accepted?" It does with me because
it means that it is not all objective.


Bert Robbins June 24th 06 01:11 PM

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NOYB wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...
Bert Robbins wrote:
Here we go again. It's only been a couple of hours and the the
"scientists" are changing their minds. Will they ever get it right?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/D8IDK16G0.html

They don't "change their minds". They interpret data. When they
interpret previously unused data, things change. Have you ever altered
your stance on something when you've been given proof that your
previous mindset was wrong?


So let's talk about Schnapps and Whiskey...


ROTFLMAO!

basskisser June 24th 06 04:16 PM

What Happened 2000 Years Ago?
 

Bert Robbins wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
Here we go again. It's only been a couple of hours and the the
"scientists" are changing their minds. Will they ever get it right?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/D8IDK16G0.html
They don't "change their minds". They interpret data. When they
interpret previously unused data, things change. Have you ever altered
your stance on something when you've been given proof that your
previous mindset was wrong?

Yes, I have altered my stance. At one time I thought you were just a
mindless twit but, now I know you are a mindless twit.


I see that you are incapable of debating the issue. Just like Rush and
Sean, when you can't bring real and honest data to the table, start
childish name calling.


Kevin, have you been smoking what you grow in your parents basement lately?


Bert, first, are you ready to take the $5000 challenge to prove that
I'm not Kevin? Put up or shut up, it's as simple as that. Next, what to
HELL are you talking about? Do you have some sort of evidence that me
or Kevin, or anyone is growing anything in anybody's basement? Again,
put up, or shut up. It's as simple as that. Now, go watch Sean and Rush
refresh your brain....


basskisser June 24th 06 04:20 PM

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NOYB wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Bert Robbins wrote:
Here we go again. It's only been a couple of hours and the the
"scientists" are changing their minds. Will they ever get it right?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/D8IDK16G0.html


They don't "change their minds". They interpret data. When they
interpret previously unused data, things change. Have you ever altered
your stance on something when you've been given proof that your
previous mindset was wrong?


So let's talk about Schnapps and Whiskey...


That's been proven by me. Don't remember? Laughing gas getting to your
brain? Did you figure out exactly what length of time "almost
instantaneous" is? How long IS it?


Bryan June 24th 06 04:30 PM

What Happened 2000 Years Ago?
 

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..
Bryan wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..
Here we go again. It's only been a couple of hours and the the
"scientists" are changing their minds. Will they ever get it right?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/D8IDK16G0.html


They do have it right, Bert. Give the most logical explanation that best
fits the available evidence. When new evidence arises, adjust the
explanation to fit the evidence. Is there something wrong with this
objective approach to understanding our world?


Science is nothing more than observation and consensus. You observe
something and then you look for consensus of your observation by your
"peers." This consensus can be biased by political and economic
considerations.

Does the phrase "it is accepted in the scientific community" cause you to
sit up and say what do you mean "accepted?" It does with me because it
means that it is not all objective.


No. The scientific method involves observation, hypothesis, testing and
measurement. The data is analyzed; a new observation stage. A new
hypothesis based on the previously unknown or incomplete data. More testing
and measurement. And so on.

The consensus you speak of comes from submitting the experiment and the data
to the scientific community via peer reviewed journals. Your peers are then
expected to challenge your data and conclusions through repeating the
experiment to verify the veracity of your data and looking for flaws in the
structure or design of your experiment, data, and conclusions.

It is through the peer review of your work by reputable scientists and
repetition of your experiments that consensus is formed. Concensus is based
on data that is subject to challenge by your peers. Accepted means the data
has been determined to be valid and sound by the reputable scientific
community after withstanding scrutiny by your peers. Peers is the group of
scientists who practice the scientific method as the means to understanding
our physical world. Peers does not refer to some knucklehead who took 10th
grade biology nor to an idividual who has an emotionally driven agenda.

And, again, science uses existing data derived from observation,
experimental design, testing and measurement, subject to peer review, to
explain our world and new data to improve the explanation.



JohnH June 24th 06 07:12 PM

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On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:42:06 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

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No one is stalking you, dipstick. Why would anyone want to? You're just
another mindless, right-wing twerp, a pansy, someone who drops in here
every so often to drop off a small load of crap. Christ, Bert, if anyone
really wanted to "stalk" you, they'd show up in person and punch you in
your pimple-infested nose. It's not like you're man enough to do
anything about it.

Get a life.

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The quote above was written by...an adult!
--
John H

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***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
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JohnH June 24th 06 07:13 PM

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On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:42:46 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Thus spake the idiot.


Another quote from an...adult!

--
John H

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***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
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Bert Robbins June 25th 06 12:33 AM

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Harry Krause wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..
basskisser wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
Here we go again. It's only been a couple of hours and the the
"scientists" are changing their minds. Will they ever get it right?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/D8IDK16G0.html
They don't "change their minds". They interpret data. When they
interpret previously unused data, things change. Have you ever
altered
your stance on something when you've been given proof that your
previous mindset was wrong?

Yes, I have altered my stance. At one time I thought you were just a
mindless twit but, now I know you are a mindless twit.
I see that you are incapable of debating the issue. Just like Rush and
Sean, when you can't bring real and honest data to the table, start
childish name calling.

Kevin, have you been smoking what you grow in your parents basement
lately?
You just proved his point, Bertie.


Thanks Doug Kanter. Are you stalking me now along with you buddy Harry?



No one is stalking you, dipstick. Why would anyone want to? You're just
another mindless, right-wing twerp, a pansy, someone who drops in here
every so often to drop off a small load of crap. Christ, Bert, if anyone
really wanted to "stalk" you, they'd show up in person and punch you in
your pimple-infested nose. It's not like you're man enough to do
anything about it.

Get a life.


Every time I make a post you, Don or Doug Kanter as respond. It appears
that the three of you need to get lives.


Bert Robbins June 25th 06 12:34 AM

What Happened 2000 Years Ago?
 
basskisser wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
Here we go again. It's only been a couple of hours and the the
"scientists" are changing their minds. Will they ever get it right?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/D8IDK16G0.html
They don't "change their minds". They interpret data. When they
interpret previously unused data, things change. Have you ever altered
your stance on something when you've been given proof that your
previous mindset was wrong?

Yes, I have altered my stance. At one time I thought you were just a
mindless twit but, now I know you are a mindless twit.
I see that you are incapable of debating the issue. Just like Rush and
Sean, when you can't bring real and honest data to the table, start
childish name calling.

Kevin, have you been smoking what you grow in your parents basement lately?


Bert, first, are you ready to take the $5000 challenge to prove that
I'm not Kevin? Put up or shut up, it's as simple as that. Next, what to
HELL are you talking about? Do you have some sort of evidence that me
or Kevin, or anyone is growing anything in anybody's basement? Again,
put up, or shut up. It's as simple as that. Now, go watch Sean and Rush
refresh your brain....


Ok, Kevin, who are you. There is no need to put up $5000. Every body has
a name or have you toked up too much that you can't remember your name
and you need the $5000 to pay the Private Detective to find yourself.

Bert Robbins June 25th 06 12:37 AM

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Bryan wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..
Bryan wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..
Here we go again. It's only been a couple of hours and the the
"scientists" are changing their minds. Will they ever get it right?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/D8IDK16G0.html
They do have it right, Bert. Give the most logical explanation that best
fits the available evidence. When new evidence arises, adjust the
explanation to fit the evidence. Is there something wrong with this
objective approach to understanding our world?

Science is nothing more than observation and consensus. You observe
something and then you look for consensus of your observation by your
"peers." This consensus can be biased by political and economic
considerations.

Does the phrase "it is accepted in the scientific community" cause you to
sit up and say what do you mean "accepted?" It does with me because it
means that it is not all objective.


No. The scientific method involves observation, hypothesis, testing and
measurement. The data is analyzed; a new observation stage. A new
hypothesis based on the previously unknown or incomplete data. More testing
and measurement. And so on.

The consensus you speak of comes from submitting the experiment and the data
to the scientific community via peer reviewed journals. Your peers are then
expected to challenge your data and conclusions through repeating the
experiment to verify the veracity of your data and looking for flaws in the
structure or design of your experiment, data, and conclusions.

It is through the peer review of your work by reputable scientists and
repetition of your experiments that consensus is formed. Concensus is based
on data that is subject to challenge by your peers. Accepted means the data
has been determined to be valid and sound by the reputable scientific
community after withstanding scrutiny by your peers. Peers is the group of
scientists who practice the scientific method as the means to understanding
our physical world. Peers does not refer to some knucklehead who took 10th
grade biology nor to an idividual who has an emotionally driven agenda.

And, again, science uses existing data derived from observation,
experimental design, testing and measurement, subject to peer review, to
explain our world and new data to improve the explanation.


What you have described is boils down to observation and consensus.

Bert Robbins June 25th 06 12:38 AM

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Harry Krause wrote:
JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:42:06 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

*********************************
No one is stalking you, dipstick. Why would anyone want to? You're
just another mindless, right-wing twerp, a pansy, someone who drops
in here every so often to drop off a small load of crap. Christ,
Bert, if anyone really wanted to "stalk" you, they'd show up in
person and punch you in your pimple-infested nose. It's not like
you're man enough to do anything about it.

Get a life.

**********************************

The quote above was written by...an adult!
--
John H



Yeah, well, you're about one-half step up the evolutionary ladder from
Bert.


Been playing with the four year olds on the playground and picking up
bad habits again Harry?

Don White June 25th 06 01:58 AM

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Bert Robbins wrote:

Every time I make a post you, Don or Doug Kanter as respond. It appears
that the three of you need to get lives.


We consider it a public service......
somewhat like vermin control.


JimH June 25th 06 02:16 AM

What Happened 2000 Years Ago?
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:42:06 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

*********************************
No one is stalking you, dipstick. Why would anyone want to? You're just
another mindless, right-wing twerp, a pansy, someone who drops in here
every so often to drop off a small load of crap. Christ, Bert, if anyone
really wanted to "stalk" you, they'd show up in person and punch you in
your pimple-infested nose. It's not like you're man enough to do
anything about it.

Get a life.

**********************************

The quote above was written by...an adult!
--
John H



Yeah, well, you're about one-half step up the evolutionary ladder from
Bert.


John posted a personal attack on me just today, yet he rides his painted
pony in this group flashing his Sheriff's badge telling others to stop doing
the same thing he just did to me.

Amazing.



Bert Robbins June 25th 06 02:47 AM

What Happened 2000 Years Ago?
 
Don White wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:

Every time I make a post you, Don or Doug Kanter as respond. It
appears that the three of you need to get lives.


We consider it a public service......
somewhat like vermin control.


Well, you need to go back to school because you haven't been able to
exterminate me.


JoeSpareBedroom June 25th 06 03:08 AM

What Happened 2000 Years Ago?
 

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..
basskisser wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
Here we go again. It's only been a couple of hours and the the
"scientists" are changing their minds. Will they ever get it right?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/D8IDK16G0.html
They don't "change their minds". They interpret data. When they
interpret previously unused data, things change. Have you ever
altered
your stance on something when you've been given proof that your
previous mindset was wrong?

Yes, I have altered my stance. At one time I thought you were just a
mindless twit but, now I know you are a mindless twit.
I see that you are incapable of debating the issue. Just like Rush and
Sean, when you can't bring real and honest data to the table, start
childish name calling.

Kevin, have you been smoking what you grow in your parents basement
lately?


Bert, first, are you ready to take the $5000 challenge to prove that
I'm not Kevin? Put up or shut up, it's as simple as that. Next, what to
HELL are you talking about? Do you have some sort of evidence that me
or Kevin, or anyone is growing anything in anybody's basement? Again,
put up, or shut up. It's as simple as that. Now, go watch Sean and Rush
refresh your brain....


Ok, Kevin, who are you. There is no need to put up $5000. Every body has a
name or have you toked up too much that you can't remember your name and
you need the $5000 to pay the Private Detective to find yourself.


You're such a little detective!



JoeSpareBedroom June 25th 06 03:09 AM

What Happened 2000 Years Ago?
 
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..
Bryan wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..
Here we go again. It's only been a couple of hours and the the
"scientists" are changing their minds. Will they ever get it right?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/22/D8IDK16G0.html


They do have it right, Bert. Give the most logical explanation that best
fits the available evidence. When new evidence arises, adjust the
explanation to fit the evidence. Is there something wrong with this
objective approach to understanding our world?


Science is nothing more than observation and consensus. You observe
something and then you look for consensus of your observation by your
"peers." This consensus can be biased by political and economic
considerations.

Does the phrase "it is accepted in the scientific community" cause you to
sit up and say what do you mean "accepted?" It does with me because it
means that it is not all objective.


Newton needed no consensus, nor did Einstein.




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