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On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:44:25 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Jack Goff wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 12:54:00 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 08:47:15 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

......from what I have seen Harry has
gone out of his way to avoid most of the personal attacks that used to
be rampant in rec.boats.....
I agree. This is self evident and laudable behavior. I've noticed new
"faces" and a renewed interest in boating chatter. I attribute this
almost solely to the abatement of OT vitriol.

I thank those others who have refrained.
Gene and Reggie, you guys crack me up. Or did you miss Harry's post:

It's too bad you are married, Herring. You and Karen Smith would make
the ideal couple in so many ways.
That's what I responded to, a post where Harry went out of his way to
*make* a personal attack. I guess in comparison to his behavior in
the past, where he's at today is a huge improvement. I'll try not to
slam your pet boy in the future, even if it is just throwing his crap
right back at him.



Jack,
Harry is not my "pet boy", but if you really are interested in making
rec.boats a place to discuss boating and/or enjoy chatting with boaters
you really will ignore those posts you think are offensive. "Throwing
crap" back at someone who you think is offensive does nothing but fill
rec.boats up with crap. I am sure you have to agree with Gene's comment
about the new faces and renewed interest in boating topics.



Jackoff, along with a couple of other assholes here, like Fritz, has no
real interest in discussion "boats." He pops up here every couple of
days to toss an insult or two at his favorites, and then slips back into
his septic tank. You're just encouraging him.

Harry, it is sure nice to see that you have reduced your insulting personal
attacks. Your on-topic posts are very enjoyable.
--
John H

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On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:52:46 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

K. Smith wrote:


In K. Smith, as Shortwave Sportfishing says:

Um...first of all, Karen has no credentials, has never offered any
credentials or, for that matter, has any understanding of the
technology other than extrapolating on a problem that the 150/175 hp
FICHTS had which was rectified.

Harry, is it necessary to repeat Tom's statement three times? Is this so
others won't make a comment about personal attacks?
--
John H

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On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:45:36 -0400, JohnH wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:44:25 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


Jackoff, along with a couple of other assholes here, like Fritz, has no
real interest in discussion "boats." He pops up here every couple of
days to toss an insult or two at his favorites, and then slips back into
his septic tank. You're just encouraging him.

Harry, it is sure nice to see that you have reduced your insulting personal
attacks. Your on-topic posts are very enjoyable.

Harry just put a "Coulter" on me.

I feel... vindicated. Harry's still the worst polluter on here, by
far.

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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:59:08 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:16:55 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:39:36 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


On the other hand...

http://www.sni-grinders.com/news/20050130.html

Bully for him, but he *is* the exception! They were (and I suspect
still are) excellent machines. I have a venerable Heald 72-A internal
grinder in my shop....

A lot of it was the close cooperation between Norton Abrasives and the
Heald family. When I worked at Heald, I spent as much time at Norton
(right across the street from Heald) as I did in my office at Heald.

It's unfortunate that the Heald family sold the operation to Milacron
- who promptly drove the Worcester operation into the ground.

Truly.... Cincinnati Milacron was a disaster..... and if they took
Heald down with them... I mourn the loss for customers, employees, and
other concerned parties.... :-(

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats

Many of my customers are machine shops, plastic molders (injection and blow)
or have machine shops as part of their die and tooling repair operations.

I am seeing more and more German and Japanese made machining centers and
presses, especially those that are CNC.

I have also seen some pretty old mechanical presses and multiple spindle
screw machines made in the US that are still running strong.

Who are some of the top players in the business right now (internationally)?

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"Jack Goff" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:45:36 -0400, JohnH wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:44:25 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


Jackoff, along with a couple of other assholes here, like Fritz, has no
real interest in discussion "boats." He pops up here every couple of
days to toss an insult or two at his favorites, and then slips back into
his septic tank. You're just encouraging him.

Harry, it is sure nice to see that you have reduced your insulting
personal
attacks. Your on-topic posts are very enjoyable.

Harry just put a "Coulter" on me.

I feel... vindicated. Harry's still the worst polluter on here, by
far.

Not anymore.

Why don't both of you just killfile and then ignore each other seeing that
you cannot get along?

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On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:01:19 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:


You can feel "vindicated" when you post something of interest to the
group, rather than something you know that any particular reader will
find inflammatory.

Grow up and talk boats...... John. You know better. We've done a
pretty good job, of later. Don't let it slip to the vandals.....

Nah... I'll feel vindicated when *I* want to. Besides, I have talked
boats a few times in the past. Even with my recent transgressions, I
still have a better signal-to-noise ratio than some.

Oh well, I'll continue as I am... scanning the posts from time to
time, reading the boating threads that interest me, and pointing out
stupidity when I feel like doing so. We are all still free to do
that, in the manner we see fit, right?

And if you guys want to "sheriff" me for that, so what? My comment to
Harry was just another way of "sheriffing" his continued bad behavior.
I didn't call him a single name. And I won't you, either :-)

Jack

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

The whole problem was that CM was hell bent and determined to build
their own controllers instead of concentrating on building superior
precision machines and using Siemens or Allen Bradley controllers
instead of that abortion of a controller they designed.


Speaking of programmable controllers...

Back in the late 70's we decided to get away from building racks of control
relays in our thin film deposition equipment and move on to the exciting
world of programmable controllers and invited the sales reps from the
various manufacturers to come in and discuss their equipment. I remember
Texas Instruments, Allen Bradley and a couple of others (Gould, I think and
one other that I can't remember). The equipment we built often included
high powered electron beam power supplies that loved to arc and RF power
supplies (13.56 Mhz) for plasma sputter deposition. Anyway .... a very
noisy and potent electromagnetic environment.

I devised a test for the programmable controller demos. We asked each rep
to program a simple ladder diagram logic program into their equipment. We
then took the controller and I/O rack and sat it on a 4'x4' by 1/2 inch
thick piece of aluminum plate and grounded the controller to the plate. We
then asked one of our welders to run a few beads on the plate using the high
freq setting on his welder.

One of the controllers blew up a main bus bar. One of the others lost all
it's program and probably a few chips.
The Texas Instruments dude refused to do the test. The only one that
survived fine and functioned perfectly, even after extended "tests" was the
Allen-Bradley. Obviously, we standardized on Allen-Bradley.

Eisboch

www.eisboch.com

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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:02:41 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:


On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:53:53 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:



The whole problem was that CM was hell bent and determined to build
their own controllers instead of concentrating on building superior
precision machines and using Siemens or Allen Bradley controllers
instead of that abortion of a controller they designed.


Oh, holy sh*t.

We had source code to the Cincinnati 10H machining centers in the late
70's (provided by the company).

What a bunch of clueless idiots.....

Even P&W had done better with a TI business computer in the
Tri-mac.....


I could tell you stories... :)

The CM controller was a horror show - an interlocking maze of "pages"
that often conflicted with each other because they were all located in
different locations in memory.

Then again, the software geeks were all Mac users rather than PC users
so I guess that explains a lot. :)

Unfortunate.
Mac users in the late 70's? Seems unlikely.

As for PCs, Microsoft code is well known for its lucid quality and
excellent structure......NOT.

--
Del Cecchi
"This post is my own and doesn’t necessarily represent IBM’s positions,
strategies or opinions.”

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On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:31:25 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:38:26 GMT, Jack Goff wrote:

Nah... I'll feel vindicated when *I* want to. Besides, I have talked
boats a few times in the past.

Your own words make my point crystal clear.

Not sure what your point was, but mine is:

- You do not control when I feel vindicated.
- I've talked boats in the past, and will again.
- If you'll scold Harry first, then I won't have to make my post.
and last, but not least...
- Don't dare challenge Gene in any way, because he'll use up bandwidth
arguing if he doesn't agree with you. Polluting the NG.


A word, to the wise, should be sufficient!

Indeed. I, in the interest of the NG, surrender. Grow up... no reply
necessary.

Jack

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Not judging anybodys credentials, but I talked with a guy in my shop
today that has had nothing but good experiences with a couple 175
Ficht's and is even happier now with his 200hp E-Tec.
he was telling me that he knows that 2 cycles will eventually be
snuffed, but until then he will keep trading for E-TEC engines.


Harry Krause wrote:
K. Smith wrote:
In K. Smith, as Shortwave Sportfishing says:

Um...first of all, Karen has no credentials, has never offered any
credentials or, for that matter, has any understanding of the
technology other than extrapolating on a problem that the 150/175 hp
FICHTS had which was rectified.