Reginald P. Smithers wrote:
Don White wrote:

seeray28(steve) wrote:

Last year my admiral and I were in the market for a new boat, we
looked at
the Glastron,Seeray, Tahoe, and Bayliner. all in the 10-18k range.
All the
boats were approx 18ft. We chose the Bayliner 175. $11,500 for boat and
trailer. It is a VERY basic boat, but for what we do thats actually a
good
thing. Did we get the fancy interior of the other boats? No, but we
did get
a very user friendly interior. Did we get the fancy clamshell engine
cover
with the gas operated lift? Nope on that as well, the engine cover
lifts out
and you put it to the side.
What we did get was a very basic boat that meets all coast gaurd
guidelines
that sees all the same scenery that the more expensive boats see's.
It has
the Merc 3.0 and alpha drive, the same engine/drive combo that just
about
all the other boats have.
We are very happy with this boat, Starts right up, goes about 45mph,
doesnt
burn much gas, handles well and rides good for a 17.5 boat.
If your looking to spend money on a new boat, you really cant beat the
Bayliner line. What they do is design a boat that has all the BASICS
in it.
You ask what the difference is between a 20k bayliner and a 45k other
brand.
Well its not the engines/outdrives., Nowadays its either Volvopenta
or Merc.
Its the extras that the other brands put into thier boats. We didnot
get a
radio in our boat, nor a depth finder, nor a bimini top (I REALLY got
to get
one this year). It didnt come with the laminate wood dashboard, the gas
operated lift mechanicals for the engine hatch, the fiberglass covered
floor. But it did come with a gelcoated dash, removable engine hatch ,
carpeted floor. As stated its a basic boat. The extras are very nice
but you
have to pay for them.


Keep it simple! I've never owned a car with power windows/locks etc.
As long as your arms work...why pay extra for mechanical/electrical
systems that can fail & might be expensive to replace.

Don,

While in principle I agree with you, especially on a boat exposed to the
elements, I didn't even know they still made cars without power windows
and door locks.

With boats and cars, I would seriously consider buying the popular
options, even if it was not a high priority to me, if I was considering
the resale value of the boat/car. If you plan on keeping the boat/car
till it is ready for the scrap heap, it is not important.

My 2 month old 2006 Ford Ranger 'Sport' Super Cab has roll up windows
and manual locks. 1995 mini-van...same.

"Don White" wrote in message
...
Reginald P. Smithers wrote:
Don White wrote:

seeray28(steve) wrote:

Last year my admiral and I were in the market for a new boat, we looked
at
the Glastron,Seeray, Tahoe, and Bayliner. all in the 10-18k range. All
the
boats were approx 18ft. We chose the Bayliner 175. $11,500 for boat and
trailer. It is a VERY basic boat, but for what we do thats actually a
good
thing. Did we get the fancy interior of the other boats? No, but we
did get
a very user friendly interior. Did we get the fancy clamshell engine
cover
with the gas operated lift? Nope on that as well, the engine cover
lifts out
and you put it to the side.
What we did get was a very basic boat that meets all coast gaurd
guidelines
that sees all the same scenery that the more expensive boats see's. It
has
the Merc 3.0 and alpha drive, the same engine/drive combo that just
about
all the other boats have.
We are very happy with this boat, Starts right up, goes about 45mph,
doesnt
burn much gas, handles well and rides good for a 17.5 boat.
If your looking to spend money on a new boat, you really cant beat the
Bayliner line. What they do is design a boat that has all the BASICS in
it.
You ask what the difference is between a 20k bayliner and a 45k other
brand.
Well its not the engines/outdrives., Nowadays its either Volvopenta or
Merc.
Its the extras that the other brands put into thier boats. We didnot
get a
radio in our boat, nor a depth finder, nor a bimini top (I REALLY got
to get
one this year). It didnt come with the laminate wood dashboard, the gas
operated lift mechanicals for the engine hatch, the fiberglass covered
floor. But it did come with a gelcoated dash, removable engine hatch ,
carpeted floor. As stated its a basic boat. The extras are very nice
but you
have to pay for them.


Keep it simple! I've never owned a car with power windows/locks etc.
As long as your arms work...why pay extra for mechanical/electrical
systems that can fail & might be expensive to replace.

Don,

While in principle I agree with you, especially on a boat exposed to the
elements, I didn't even know they still made cars without power windows
and door locks.

With boats and cars, I would seriously consider buying the popular
options, even if it was not a high priority to me, if I was considering
the resale value of the boat/car. If you plan on keeping the boat/car
till it is ready for the scrap heap, it is not important.

My 2 month old 2006 Ford Ranger 'Sport' Super Cab has roll up windows and
manual locks. 1995 mini-van...same.


I would agree with Reggie regarding cars but not on boats. Upgrade options
on boats can normally be retrofits and do not significantly add to the
resale *price* of a used boat. They may however make the boat more
attractive to prospective buyers.

BTW Reggie, I never saw a car or boat that was not exposed to the elements.
;-)

Don White wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers wrote:
Don White wrote:

seeray28(steve) wrote:

Last year my admiral and I were in the market for a new boat, we
looked at
the Glastron,Seeray, Tahoe, and Bayliner. all in the 10-18k range.
All the
boats were approx 18ft. We chose the Bayliner 175. $11,500 for boat and
trailer. It is a VERY basic boat, but for what we do thats actually
a good
thing. Did we get the fancy interior of the other boats? No, but we
did get
a very user friendly interior. Did we get the fancy clamshell engine
cover
with the gas operated lift? Nope on that as well, the engine cover
lifts out
and you put it to the side.
What we did get was a very basic boat that meets all coast gaurd
guidelines
that sees all the same scenery that the more expensive boats see's.
It has
the Merc 3.0 and alpha drive, the same engine/drive combo that just
about
all the other boats have.
We are very happy with this boat, Starts right up, goes about 45mph,
doesnt
burn much gas, handles well and rides good for a 17.5 boat.
If your looking to spend money on a new boat, you really cant beat the
Bayliner line. What they do is design a boat that has all the BASICS
in it.
You ask what the difference is between a 20k bayliner and a 45k
other brand.
Well its not the engines/outdrives., Nowadays its either Volvopenta
or Merc.
Its the extras that the other brands put into thier boats. We didnot
get a
radio in our boat, nor a depth finder, nor a bimini top (I REALLY
got to get
one this year). It didnt come with the laminate wood dashboard, the gas
operated lift mechanicals for the engine hatch, the fiberglass covered
floor. But it did come with a gelcoated dash, removable engine hatch ,
carpeted floor. As stated its a basic boat. The extras are very nice
but you
have to pay for them.


Keep it simple! I've never owned a car with power windows/locks etc.
As long as your arms work...why pay extra for mechanical/electrical
systems that can fail & might be expensive to replace.

Don,

While in principle I agree with you, especially on a boat exposed to
the elements, I didn't even know they still made cars without power
windows and door locks.

With boats and cars, I would seriously consider buying the popular
options, even if it was not a high priority to me, if I was
considering the resale value of the boat/car. If you plan on keeping
the boat/car till it is ready for the scrap heap, it is not important.

My 2 month old 2006 Ford Ranger 'Sport' Super Cab has roll up windows
and manual locks. 1995 mini-van...same.

I was just teasing you, I know they still offer the non power windows
and door locks, I just can't remember the last time I saw a car without
the power option.

Since they offer the power options as a "Package", I think most people
just order it automatically. I try to keep my cars for 10 yrs if they
will hold up mechanically, and I have never had a problem with the power
windows or door locks on any car. The reason I have always sold my cars
is because of a transmission problem that I could not justify the cost
of repair vs. the value of the car.

--
Reggie

That's my story and I am sticking to it.

On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:42:36 GMT, Don White wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers wrote:
Don White wrote:

Don,

While in principle I agree with you, especially on a boat exposed to the
elements, I didn't even know they still made cars without power windows
and door locks.

With boats and cars, I would seriously consider buying the popular
options, even if it was not a high priority to me, if I was considering
the resale value of the boat/car. If you plan on keeping the boat/car
till it is ready for the scrap heap, it is not important.

My 2 month old 2006 Ford Ranger 'Sport' Super Cab has roll up windows
and manual locks. 1995 mini-van...same.

Wow, I didn't know it was possible to get a new vehicle without the 'power'
options. I see the power stuff is a $405 option for your truck, but for
many trucks and cars the power windows, etc., are standard equipment. The
F150 doesn't show power windows as an option so I assume they're standard
equipment, as is their locking system.

--
'Til next time,

John H

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"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:42:36 GMT, Don White
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers wrote:
Don White wrote:

Don,

While in principle I agree with you, especially on a boat exposed to the
elements, I didn't even know they still made cars without power windows
and door locks.

With boats and cars, I would seriously consider buying the popular
options, even if it was not a high priority to me, if I was considering
the resale value of the boat/car. If you plan on keeping the boat/car
till it is ready for the scrap heap, it is not important.

My 2 month old 2006 Ford Ranger 'Sport' Super Cab has roll up windows
and manual locks. 1995 mini-van...same.

Wow, I didn't know it was possible to get a new vehicle without the
'power'
options. I see the power stuff is a $405 option for your truck, but for
many trucks and cars the power windows, etc., are standard equipment. The
F150 doesn't show power windows as an option so I assume they're standard
equipment, as is their locking system.

--
'Til next time,

John H



My hunch is that power windows and locks are cheaper to build and install
than their mechanical counterparts.

RCE

Don White wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers wrote:

Don White wrote:

seeray28(steve) wrote:

Last year my admiral and I were in the market for a new boat, we
looked at
the Glastron,Seeray, Tahoe, and Bayliner. all in the 10-18k range.
All the
boats were approx 18ft. We chose the Bayliner 175. $11,500 for boat and
trailer. It is a VERY basic boat, but for what we do thats actually
a good
thing. Did we get the fancy interior of the other boats? No, but we
did get
a very user friendly interior. Did we get the fancy clamshell engine
cover
with the gas operated lift? Nope on that as well, the engine cover
lifts out
and you put it to the side.
What we did get was a very basic boat that meets all coast gaurd
guidelines
that sees all the same scenery that the more expensive boats see's.
It has
the Merc 3.0 and alpha drive, the same engine/drive combo that just
about
all the other boats have.
We are very happy with this boat, Starts right up, goes about 45mph,
doesnt
burn much gas, handles well and rides good for a 17.5 boat.
If your looking to spend money on a new boat, you really cant beat the
Bayliner line. What they do is design a boat that has all the BASICS
in it.
You ask what the difference is between a 20k bayliner and a 45k
other brand.
Well its not the engines/outdrives., Nowadays its either Volvopenta
or Merc.
Its the extras that the other brands put into thier boats. We didnot
get a
radio in our boat, nor a depth finder, nor a bimini top (I REALLY
got to get
one this year). It didnt come with the laminate wood dashboard, the gas
operated lift mechanicals for the engine hatch, the fiberglass covered
floor. But it did come with a gelcoated dash, removable engine hatch ,
carpeted floor. As stated its a basic boat. The extras are very nice
but you
have to pay for them.


Keep it simple! I've never owned a car with power windows/locks etc.
As long as your arms work...why pay extra for mechanical/electrical
systems that can fail & might be expensive to replace.


Don,

While in principle I agree with you, especially on a boat exposed to
the elements, I didn't even know they still made cars without power
windows and door locks.

With boats and cars, I would seriously consider buying the popular
options, even if it was not a high priority to me, if I was
considering the resale value of the boat/car. If you plan on keeping
the boat/car till it is ready for the scrap heap, it is not important.

My 2 month old 2006 Ford Ranger 'Sport' Super Cab has roll up windows
and manual locks. 1995 mini-van...same.


I have four F150's - all with manual windows and locks. They all have
the "work truck" package. No carpet, vinyl seats, etc. Can't beat them
for $15K.

Dan