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RG May 16th 06 06:27 PM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Reginald P. Smithers wrote:
Harry,
I really do have an ulterior motive for sustaining this. JohnH did a
great job supporting a cause he believed in. Someone continues to make
false allegations about his efforts, and I don't believe those
allegations should go unaswered.

If you review these posts, it is JimH who is sustaining this.



All the entire thing proved to me was that it was (and is) possible to be
far more obnoxious in non-political threads than in political threads.


I'm afraid you've completely misconstrued the actual point, and have bent it
into something that suits you. The actual point has nothing to do with the
nature of political or non-political threads. It has everything to do with
the nature of certain participants in any thread. The lesson simply
illustrates that assholes will always be assholes, wherever they tread.
Hardly profound or shocking.



SamJenson May 16th 06 06:36 PM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 

"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

SamJenson wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...


Really? I know damned well how my brakes on my vehicles are configured.


Me too, backwards.


Uh, no.....


Care to wager?
How about $500.00? The loser will donate the money to Racing For The Cure in
care of JohnH.

The bet is very simple.-

I say on your 1995 Jeep Cherokee that the shorter rear brake shoe is the
primary and is located towards the front of the vehicle, and the longer
secondary shoe is located towards the rear of the vehicle.

You say the shorter primary brake shoe is located towards the rear of the
vehicle and the secondary longer brake shoe is located towards the front of
the vehicle.

The service manual for this vehicle will be the source that determines the
correct configuration.

Put your money where your mouth is.

Sam



RG May 16th 06 07:31 PM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 

You must have missed the part where I mentioned "the entire thing."

Emphasis on entire.


Either you're being cryptic or I'm being dense. Either way, I don't follow
your point, which wouldn't be the first time.



JohnH May 16th 06 08:21 PM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 
On 15 May 2006 16:52:24 -0700, "Reginald P. Smithers"
wrote:

JimH,
My comments makes sense, and you have supported this from JohnH's first
post when you tried to "pressu" him not to promote his "team" Race
for the Cure. Wasn't that you who told him "enough already", you have
already gotten $3000 give it up already?

That sounds like someone whose only objective is to harass JohnH, and
really doesn't care about the cause.


I can't understand why JimH would say that I didn't match any rec.boats
contributions when he, himself, received a forwarded message confirming my
donation for *his* contribution. I even confirmed with him that he got it!

I can't understand why he's making his posts, unless he thinks it will
garner him some friends. I noticed he didn't argue with Don or Harry. Maybe
that's where he thinks his 'glory' will lie.
--
'Til next time,

John H

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JohnH May 16th 06 08:23 PM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 
On 16 May 2006 08:19:37 -0700, "JimH" wrote:

Yes Kevin, how dare I try to change the topic in a boating NG to a
boating related one and ask to see a picture of his boat. The shame!


His name's not Kevin. This I know.
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'Til next time,

John H

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JohnH May 16th 06 08:25 PM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 
On 16 May 2006 05:27:14 -0700, "Reginald P. Smithers"
wrote:

What I think is so funny is JimH was all upset when JohnH made a few
comments about Race for Renee, but look at the number of comments JimH
has made concerning the "Scandal behind the Race for Renee".

I think he might want to forward this to the NYT or the Washington Post
for a more detailed follow up concerning Reneegate.


LOL!

Don't be giving him *more* ideas!
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'Til next time,

John H

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JohnH May 16th 06 08:28 PM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 
On Tue, 16 May 2006 08:30:36 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers wrote:
What I think is so funny is JimH was all upset when JohnH made a few
comments about Race for Renee, but look at the number of comments JimH
has made concerning the "Scandal behind the Race for Renee".

I think he might want to forward this to the NYT or the Washington Post
for a more detailed follow up concerning Reneegate.



Do you have some ulterior motive for sustaining this?


Harry, did JimH have some ulterior motive for *starting* this? As you know,
you were the only person whose donation I offered to triple, yet JimH has
implied otherwise. Is there some reason you've not corrected him?
--
'Til next time,

John H

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JohnH May 16th 06 08:34 PM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 
On Tue, 16 May 2006 17:36:00 GMT, "SamJenson" wrote:


"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

SamJenson wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...


Really? I know damned well how my brakes on my vehicles are configured.

Me too, backwards.


Uh, no.....


Care to wager?
How about $500.00? The loser will donate the money to Racing For The Cure in
care of JohnH.

The bet is very simple.-

I say on your 1995 Jeep Cherokee that the shorter rear brake shoe is the
primary and is located towards the front of the vehicle, and the longer
secondary shoe is located towards the rear of the vehicle.

You say the shorter primary brake shoe is located towards the rear of the
vehicle and the secondary longer brake shoe is located towards the front of
the vehicle.

The service manual for this vehicle will be the source that determines the
correct configuration.

Put your money where your mouth is.

Sam


If the loser loses, and has to donate the money, I'll (that's a contraction
for 'I will', i.e., future tense) match it!

Hell, maybe the Racing for Renee Team can become the number one fundraising
team!
--
'Til next time,

John H

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JimH May 16th 06 08:40 PM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 16 May 2006 08:30:36 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers wrote:
What I think is so funny is JimH was all upset when JohnH made a few
comments about Race for Renee, but look at the number of comments JimH
has made concerning the "Scandal behind the Race for Renee".

I think he might want to forward this to the NYT or the Washington Post
for a more detailed follow up concerning Reneegate.



Do you have some ulterior motive for sustaining this?


Harry, did JimH have some ulterior motive for *starting* this? As you
know,
you were the only person whose donation I offered to triple, yet JimH has
implied otherwise. Is there some reason you've not corrected him?
--
'Til next time,

John H

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For your information John it was *you* who started this nananana booboo Jim
is a liar thread.



JimH May 16th 06 08:46 PM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 16 May 2006 17:36:00 GMT, "SamJenson" wrote:


"basskisser" wrote in message
roups.com...

SamJenson wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...


Really? I know damned well how my brakes on my vehicles are
configured.

Me too, backwards.

Uh, no.....


Care to wager?
How about $500.00? The loser will donate the money to Racing For The Cure
in
care of JohnH.

The bet is very simple.-

I say on your 1995 Jeep Cherokee that the shorter rear brake shoe is the
primary and is located towards the front of the vehicle, and the longer
secondary shoe is located towards the rear of the vehicle.

You say the shorter primary brake shoe is located towards the rear of the
vehicle and the secondary longer brake shoe is located towards the front
of
the vehicle.

The service manual for this vehicle will be the source that determines the
correct configuration.

Put your money where your mouth is.

Sam


If the loser loses, and has to donate the money, I'll (that's a
contraction
for 'I will', i.e., future tense) match it!

Hell, maybe the Racing for Renee Team can become the number one
fundraising
team!
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************


Enough already John. Start a donation NG if you want as I (as I am sure
many others) am getting tired of your constant plea for donations. This is
not the place for it.....folks don't come here to be bugged constantly for
donations.

Please drop it already.



JohnH May 16th 06 09:14 PM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 
On Tue, 16 May 2006 15:23:02 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On 15 May 2006 16:52:24 -0700, "Reginald P. Smithers"
wrote:

JimH,
My comments makes sense, and you have supported this from JohnH's first
post when you tried to "pressu" him not to promote his "team" Race
for the Cure. Wasn't that you who told him "enough already", you have
already gotten $3000 give it up already?

That sounds like someone whose only objective is to harass JohnH, and
really doesn't care about the cause.


I can't understand why JimH would say that I didn't match any rec.boats
contributions when he, himself, received a forwarded message confirming my
donation for *his* contribution. I even confirmed with him that he got it!

I can't understand why he's making his posts, unless he thinks it will
garner him some friends. I noticed he didn't argue with Don or Harry. Maybe
that's where he thinks his 'glory' will lie.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************




Why don't you two take this incredibly stupid and boring discussion to
a.stupid&boring.usenet.d'oh where it belings.


'You two'? It seems as though there are many more folks, including you,
who've been making comments in this thread.

I'm not answering Jim's messages. I killfiled him yesterday.
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'Til next time,

John H

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JohnH May 16th 06 09:17 PM

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On Tue, 16 May 2006 15:34:37 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2006 08:30:36 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers wrote:
What I think is so funny is JimH was all upset when JohnH made a few
comments about Race for Renee, but look at the number of comments JimH
has made concerning the "Scandal behind the Race for Renee".

I think he might want to forward this to the NYT or the Washington Post
for a more detailed follow up concerning Reneegate.


Do you have some ulterior motive for sustaining this?


Harry, did JimH have some ulterior motive for *starting* this? As you know,
you were the only person whose donation I offered to triple, yet JimH has
implied otherwise. Is there some reason you've not corrected him?
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************




I've posted this before, and I'll post it again. I skip a lot of posts
here these days. My interest is sporadic. I do, though, see these damned
idiotic headers and I wonder why you just don't let this die. It
deserves to.


Good idea. The silly crap should not have been started in the first place.
Why, though, do you accuse only *me* of not letting it lie, but say nothing
to the one making the false accusations? Today I got home from work and
found about 25 posts in this thread, none of which had been made by me.

I'd be interested in knowing.
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'Til next time,

John H

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SamJenson May 16th 06 09:20 PM

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"JohnH" wrote in message
...


If the loser loses, and has to donate the money, I'll (that's a
contraction
for 'I will', i.e., future tense) match it!

Hell, maybe the Racing for Renee Team can become the number one
fundraising
team!


That would be great John but this is where basskisser tries to wiggle out,
or ignores the thread completely.





JimH May 16th 06 10:42 PM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 
John wrote:

"I can't understand why JimH would say that I didn't match any
rec.boats
contributions when he, himself, received a forwarded message confirming
my
donation for *his* contribution. I even confirmed with him that he got
it! "

And I responded:

I never said you didn't match *any* rec.boats contributions John. I
said you did not match the ones you promised to.

Can you let this die already and move on?


basskisser May 17th 06 03:59 PM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 

SamJenson wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...


If the loser loses, and has to donate the money, I'll (that's a
contraction
for 'I will', i.e., future tense) match it!

Hell, maybe the Racing for Renee Team can become the number one
fundraising
team!


That would be great John but this is where basskisser tries to wiggle out,
or ignores the thread completely.


What in the hell are you talking about dummy?


SamJenson May 17th 06 04:36 PM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 

"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

SamJenson wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...


If the loser loses, and has to donate the money, I'll (that's a
contraction
for 'I will', i.e., future tense) match it!

Hell, maybe the Racing for Renee Team can become the number one
fundraising
team!


That would be great John but this is where basskisser tries to wiggle
out,
or ignores the thread completely.


What in the hell are you talking about dummy?


Petty and childish name calling does nothing for your credibility



basskisser May 17th 06 04:45 PM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 

SamJenson wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

SamJenson wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...


If the loser loses, and has to donate the money, I'll (that's a
contraction
for 'I will', i.e., future tense) match it!

Hell, maybe the Racing for Renee Team can become the number one
fundraising
team!

That would be great John but this is where basskisser tries to wiggle
out,
or ignores the thread completely.


What in the hell are you talking about dummy?


Petty and childish name calling does nothing for your credibility


Simply calling a spade a spade.


basskisser May 17th 06 04:48 PM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 

SamJenson wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

SamJenson wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...


Really? I know damned well how my brakes on my vehicles are configured.

Me too, backwards.


Uh, no.....


Care to wager?
How about $500.00? The loser will donate the money to Racing For The Cure in
care of JohnH.

The bet is very simple.-

I say on your 1995 Jeep Cherokee that the shorter rear brake shoe is the
primary and is located towards the front of the vehicle, and the longer
secondary shoe is located towards the rear of the vehicle.

You say the shorter primary brake shoe is located towards the rear of the
vehicle and the secondary longer brake shoe is located towards the front of
the vehicle.

The service manual for this vehicle will be the source that determines the
correct configuration.

Put your money where your mouth is.

Sam


I have changed the rear brakes on my Jeep three (3) times. I bought it
with 57 miles on it. I know how they were and still are. Next time I'll
take a picture to prove to you. I am not talking about anybody else's
vehicle, I'm talking about mine. Care to wager?


basskisser May 17th 06 04:53 PM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 

SamJenson wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

SamJenson wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...


If the loser loses, and has to donate the money, I'll (that's a
contraction
for 'I will', i.e., future tense) match it!

Hell, maybe the Racing for Renee Team can become the number one
fundraising
team!

That would be great John but this is where basskisser tries to wiggle
out,
or ignores the thread completely.


What in the hell are you talking about dummy?


Petty and childish name calling does nothing for your credibility


Remember what one of the experts that you were trying to dig up told
you? Here it is:

This is a rule of thumb with Cherokees, there are exceptions with some
vehicles.


SamJenson May 17th 06 05:30 PM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 

"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Remember what one of the experts that you were trying to dig up told
you? Here it is:

This is a rule of thumb with Cherokees, there are exceptions with some
vehicles.


And you call me a dummy? Why didn't you post the "experts" complete post?
Here's the full text-

"I did brakes and such for a long time professionally. I looked it up in my
Wagner book to confirm, just incase I'm getting foggy.1995 Jeep Cherokee
rear brake shoes, short shoe to the front, long shoe in the rear.This is a
rule of thumb with Cherokees, there are exceptions with some vehicles.Your
best bet is to do your vehicle correctly, and let the idiot foul his up.Keep
your rear brakes properly adjusted."

Lets look at some of the other responses from the experts-

"You are correct. The longer secondary shoe holds the parking brake
hardware."

"There is a clear diagram in the Haynes Manual that labels the shoes and
shows the shorter lining on the front or primary shoe.
I could take a digital photo of the page and email it to you if you would
like."

"The Haynes manual is a half decent book to have around, if only for things
like that and the torque specs. It is in the twenty dollar
range. Most auto parts stores sell them. If you had the book which shows
photos of the shoes as well as the diagram, that would fix his wagon.
Meanwhile I was bored so I got a couple blurry shots from the book and
posted them on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4. They are soo blurry there is
no way you could be accused of photoshopping them. LOL!"

"Short shoe to the front."

"If you think about this for a long time, you might convince yourself that
there is a reason for it. I tried, but I just didn't get it. I did notice
that when people put them on backwards, the short shoe wears out way too
fast."

Have any proof that you're right and *everyone* else is wrong?




SamJenson May 17th 06 06:36 PM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 

"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...


I have changed the rear brakes on my Jeep three (3) times. I bought it
with 57 miles on it. I know how they were and still are. Next time I'll
take a picture to prove to you. I am not talking about anybody else's
vehicle, I'm talking about mine. Care to wager?


Because the brakes on *your* Jeep are on backwards proves nothing. Either
you, or the factory installed them backwards.

Yes, I will wager that your brakes are installed incorrectly and we will use
the manufacturers service manual as the final word.
Once you agree to the bet, we can both post our supporting documentation.

The loser sends $500 to JohnH to be donated to the Race for the cure in care
in his daughter's name.





basskisser May 17th 06 09:16 PM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 

SamJenson wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Remember what one of the experts that you were trying to dig up told
you? Here it is:

This is a rule of thumb with Cherokees, there are exceptions with some
vehicles.


And you call me a dummy? Why didn't you post the "experts" complete post?
Here's the full text-

"I did brakes and such for a long time professionally. I looked it up in my
Wagner book to confirm, just incase I'm getting foggy.1995 Jeep Cherokee
rear brake shoes, short shoe to the front, long shoe in the rear.This is a
rule of thumb with Cherokees, there are exceptions with some vehicles.Your
best bet is to do your vehicle correctly, and let the idiot foul his up.Keep
your rear brakes properly adjusted."


Funny, from this so-called expert, when in fact the Jeep was NEW when I
got it. Are you saying that the brakes were put in by the factory
incorrectly? Then how do you account for the fact that the parking
brake hardware is in fact hooked up correctly?

Lets look at some of the other responses from the experts-

"You are correct. The longer secondary shoe holds the parking brake
hardware."


Never said that the longer shoe DIDN'T hold the parking brake hardware.

"There is a clear diagram in the Haynes Manual that labels the shoes and
shows the shorter lining on the front or primary shoe.
I could take a digital photo of the page and email it to you if you would
like."


Okay. And (now THINK for a second) remember "there are exceptions."
These exeptions being different rear ends, etc.
I can also take a digital picture of the damned brakes on mine, which
makes me correct in any and all of my statements.

"The Haynes manual is a half decent book to have around, if only for things
like that and the torque specs. It is in the twenty dollar
range. Most auto parts stores sell them. If you had the book which shows
photos of the shoes as well as the diagram, that would fix his wagon.
Meanwhile I was bored so I got a couple blurry shots from the book and
posted them on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4. They are soo blurry there is
no way you could be accused of photoshopping them. LOL!"

"Short shoe to the front."


Not on mine, again since brand new!

"If you think about this for a long time, you might convince yourself that
there is a reason for it. I tried, but I just didn't get it. I did notice
that when people put them on backwards, the short shoe wears out way too
fast."


They aren't on "backwards. Came from the factory like that. THIS is
what you are losing sight of.

Have any proof that you're right and *everyone* else is wrong?


sure, again, I can take a picture. Now, do you REALLY want to wager
enough for me to take the hub off and take a picture of them? I'm
willing, but not for peanuts. Let me know.


Dan Krueger May 18th 06 12:20 AM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 
SamJenson wrote:

"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...


I have changed the rear brakes on my Jeep three (3) times. I bought it
with 57 miles on it. I know how they were and still are. Next time I'll
take a picture to prove to you. I am not talking about anybody else's
vehicle, I'm talking about mine. Care to wager?



Because the brakes on *your* Jeep are on backwards proves nothing. Either
you, or the factory installed them backwards.

Yes, I will wager that your brakes are installed incorrectly and we will use
the manufacturers service manual as the final word.
Once you agree to the bet, we can both post our supporting documentation.

The loser sends $500 to JohnH to be donated to the Race for the cure in care
in his daughter's name.



$500 might be a stretch for someone who is complaining about brakes on
an 11 year old vehicle.

Dan

JohnH May 18th 06 12:43 AM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 
On Tue, 16 May 2006 15:34:37 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2006 08:30:36 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers wrote:
What I think is so funny is JimH was all upset when JohnH made a few
comments about Race for Renee, but look at the number of comments JimH
has made concerning the "Scandal behind the Race for Renee".

I think he might want to forward this to the NYT or the Washington Post
for a more detailed follow up concerning Reneegate.


Do you have some ulterior motive for sustaining this?


Harry, did JimH have some ulterior motive for *starting* this? As you know,
you were the only person whose donation I offered to triple, yet JimH has
implied otherwise. Is there some reason you've not corrected him?
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************




I've posted this before, and I'll post it again. I skip a lot of posts
here these days. My interest is sporadic. I do, though, see these damned
idiotic headers and I wonder why you just don't let this die. It
deserves to.


Uh, Harry? Where'd you go?
--
'Til next time,

John H

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JohnH May 18th 06 01:16 PM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 
Hey Schnautzer, were you ever able to get 'over there' and check out the
pics?




On 14 May 2006 12:56:35 -0700, wrote:

Pardon me, bt, "where" is "over there" and how do you get, "there"???



JohnH wrote:
On 14 May 2006 06:42:13 -0700, "
wrote:


JohnH wrote:
In an earlier post, Jim, you stated, "John does have a history of reneging
on promises."

That accusation was a lie.

You've not shown one promise on which I've reneged, and your stupid
accusations/mathematical wizardry failed to account for the fact that, as
Don White said, many people made their donations *before* my offer
was put on the table.

You, in a cowardly fashion, decided to cut and run from the thread in which
you made the accusations. Was it because you realized you'd opened your
mouth once too often?

I see you're now puppy-dogging Harry around the group. I'm sure he'll
provide you some motherly support.
--
'Til next time,

John H

Why don't you guys take it to email?
"So and So is a Such and Such" threads are always bad medicine.


It's over. If you get a chance, check out the 'runners and donors' picture
over there, especially the top name in the fourth column from the left.

Thanks!
--
'Til next time,

John H

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'Til next time,

John H

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basskisser May 18th 06 01:24 PM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 

Dan Krueger wrote:
SamJenson wrote:

"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...


I have changed the rear brakes on my Jeep three (3) times. I bought it
with 57 miles on it. I know how they were and still are. Next time I'll
take a picture to prove to you. I am not talking about anybody else's
vehicle, I'm talking about mine. Care to wager?



Because the brakes on *your* Jeep are on backwards proves nothing. Either
you, or the factory installed them backwards.

Yes, I will wager that your brakes are installed incorrectly and we will use
the manufacturers service manual as the final word.
Once you agree to the bet, we can both post our supporting documentation.

The loser sends $500 to JohnH to be donated to the Race for the cure in care
in his daughter's name.



$500 might be a stretch for someone who is complaining about brakes on
an 11 year old vehicle.

Dan


I personally don't need a vehicle as a symbol of my manhood.


Don White May 18th 06 01:52 PM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 
basskisser wrote:
Dan Krueger wrote:

SamJenson wrote:


"basskisser" wrote in message
groups.com...



I have changed the rear brakes on my Jeep three (3) times. I bought it
with 57 miles on it. I know how they were and still are. Next time I'll
take a picture to prove to you. I am not talking about anybody else's
vehicle, I'm talking about mine. Care to wager?


Because the brakes on *your* Jeep are on backwards proves nothing. Either
you, or the factory installed them backwards.

Yes, I will wager that your brakes are installed incorrectly and we will use
the manufacturers service manual as the final word.
Once you agree to the bet, we can both post our supporting documentation.

The loser sends $500 to JohnH to be donated to the Race for the cure in care
in his daughter's name.



$500 might be a stretch for someone who is complaining about brakes on
an 11 year old vehicle.

Dan



I personally don't need a vehicle as a symbol of my manhood.

That's right. I'm keeping my 11 year old mini-van a few more years. I
don't worry as much that my son will ding it as I do with my new Ranger
pickup.

basskisser May 18th 06 02:46 PM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 

Don White wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Dan Krueger wrote:

SamJenson wrote:


"basskisser" wrote in message
groups.com...



I have changed the rear brakes on my Jeep three (3) times. I bought it
with 57 miles on it. I know how they were and still are. Next time I'll
take a picture to prove to you. I am not talking about anybody else's
vehicle, I'm talking about mine. Care to wager?


Because the brakes on *your* Jeep are on backwards proves nothing. Either
you, or the factory installed them backwards.

Yes, I will wager that your brakes are installed incorrectly and we will use
the manufacturers service manual as the final word.
Once you agree to the bet, we can both post our supporting documentation.

The loser sends $500 to JohnH to be donated to the Race for the cure in care
in his daughter's name.



$500 might be a stretch for someone who is complaining about brakes on
an 11 year old vehicle.

Dan



I personally don't need a vehicle as a symbol of my manhood.

That's right. I'm keeping my 11 year old mini-van a few more years. I
don't worry as much that my son will ding it as I do with my new Ranger
pickup.


My Jeep is a go anywhere, do anything type of vehicle. I still like
driving it. I've kept in in good shape, runs like a clock, is very low
maintenence. I'll bet I'm a lot better off than a lot of people who
think they need to be seen in an expensive new-every-year car because
of their lack of manhood. Buying new vehicles and/or trading perfectly
good vehicles in are poor economical decisions.


Black Dog May 18th 06 02:47 PM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 
basskisser wrote:
Dan Krueger wrote:

SamJenson wrote:


"basskisser" wrote in message
groups.com...



I have changed the rear brakes on my Jeep three (3) times. I bought it
with 57 miles on it. I know how they were and still are. Next time I'll
take a picture to prove to you. I am not talking about anybody else's
vehicle, I'm talking about mine. Care to wager?


Because the brakes on *your* Jeep are on backwards proves nothing. Either
you, or the factory installed them backwards.

Yes, I will wager that your brakes are installed incorrectly and we will use
the manufacturers service manual as the final word.
Once you agree to the bet, we can both post our supporting documentation.

The loser sends $500 to JohnH to be donated to the Race for the cure in care
in his daughter's name.



$500 might be a stretch for someone who is complaining about brakes on
an 11 year old vehicle.

Dan



I personally don't need a vehicle as a symbol of my manhood.


Me neither!

Stella

basskisser May 18th 06 05:22 PM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 

Black Dog wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Dan Krueger wrote:

SamJenson wrote:


"basskisser" wrote in message
groups.com...



I have changed the rear brakes on my Jeep three (3) times. I bought it
with 57 miles on it. I know how they were and still are. Next time I'll
take a picture to prove to you. I am not talking about anybody else's
vehicle, I'm talking about mine. Care to wager?


Because the brakes on *your* Jeep are on backwards proves nothing. Either
you, or the factory installed them backwards.

Yes, I will wager that your brakes are installed incorrectly and we will use
the manufacturers service manual as the final word.
Once you agree to the bet, we can both post our supporting documentation.

The loser sends $500 to JohnH to be donated to the Race for the cure in care
in his daughter's name.



$500 might be a stretch for someone who is complaining about brakes on
an 11 year old vehicle.

Dan



I personally don't need a vehicle as a symbol of my manhood.


Me neither!

Stella


And I'm glad you don't!!!!


Dan Krueger May 19th 06 01:10 AM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 
basskisser wrote:

Dan Krueger wrote:

SamJenson wrote:


"basskisser" wrote in message
groups.com...



I have changed the rear brakes on my Jeep three (3) times. I bought it
with 57 miles on it. I know how they were and still are. Next time I'll
take a picture to prove to you. I am not talking about anybody else's
vehicle, I'm talking about mine. Care to wager?


Because the brakes on *your* Jeep are on backwards proves nothing. Either
you, or the factory installed them backwards.

Yes, I will wager that your brakes are installed incorrectly and we will use
the manufacturers service manual as the final word.
Once you agree to the bet, we can both post our supporting documentation.

The loser sends $500 to JohnH to be donated to the Race for the cure in care
in his daughter's name.



$500 might be a stretch for someone who is complaining about brakes on
an 11 year old vehicle.

Dan



Dan, where was I "complaining about brakes" on my Jeep. I choose to
keep my vehicle. I love it. You should try a Jeep sometime. I've got a
friend who has a '76 CJ he might part with.


I've owned two. A '94 Jeep GC Laredo (6 cyl) and a '98 Jeep CG Limited
(8 cyl). They were both good vehicles but I prefer my current and last
SUV's over both of them.

I would rather pay to drive a new vehicle than keep an older car that is
far more likely to break down without warning with an expired warranty.

Dan Krueger May 19th 06 01:12 AM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 
basskisser wrote:

Dan Krueger wrote:

SamJenson wrote:


"basskisser" wrote in message
groups.com...



I have changed the rear brakes on my Jeep three (3) times. I bought it
with 57 miles on it. I know how they were and still are. Next time I'll
take a picture to prove to you. I am not talking about anybody else's
vehicle, I'm talking about mine. Care to wager?


Because the brakes on *your* Jeep are on backwards proves nothing. Either
you, or the factory installed them backwards.

Yes, I will wager that your brakes are installed incorrectly and we will use
the manufacturers service manual as the final word.
Once you agree to the bet, we can both post our supporting documentation.

The loser sends $500 to JohnH to be donated to the Race for the cure in care
in his daughter's name.



$500 might be a stretch for someone who is complaining about brakes on
an 11 year old vehicle.

Dan



I personally don't need a vehicle as a symbol of my manhood.


Two unrelated replies to the same post? Why do you feel like you need
to defend yourself, Kevin? My point was relevant.

Dan Krueger May 19th 06 01:24 AM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 
basskisser wrote:

Don White wrote:

basskisser wrote:

Dan Krueger wrote:


SamJenson wrote:



"basskisser" wrote in message
legroups.com...




I have changed the rear brakes on my Jeep three (3) times. I bought it
with 57 miles on it. I know how they were and still are. Next time I'll
take a picture to prove to you. I am not talking about anybody else's
vehicle, I'm talking about mine. Care to wager?


Because the brakes on *your* Jeep are on backwards proves nothing. Either
you, or the factory installed them backwards.

Yes, I will wager that your brakes are installed incorrectly and we will use
the manufacturers service manual as the final word.
Once you agree to the bet, we can both post our supporting documentation.

The loser sends $500 to JohnH to be donated to the Race for the cure in care
in his daughter's name.



$500 might be a stretch for someone who is complaining about brakes on
an 11 year old vehicle.

Dan


I personally don't need a vehicle as a symbol of my manhood.


That's right. I'm keeping my 11 year old mini-van a few more years. I
don't worry as much that my son will ding it as I do with my new Ranger
pickup.



My Jeep is a go anywhere, do anything type of vehicle. I still like
driving it. I've kept in in good shape, runs like a clock, is very low
maintenence. I'll bet I'm a lot better off than a lot of people who
think they need to be seen in an expensive new-every-year car because
of their lack of manhood. Buying new vehicles and/or trading perfectly
good vehicles in are poor economical decisions.



There's that "manhood" statement again. You can justify your vehicle
purchases any way you want but that isn't going to help you when you
lean on that BS. Do you pass judgement on everyone who is driving a
newer car than you, Kevin?

What do you mean by "I'll bet I'm a lot better off"? That sounds like
someone defining their "manhood" in a different way.

As far as economics, there are two factors that you should consider:
(1) Some people can afford new cars more frequently than others. (2)
Others are business owners who can depreciate a vehicle over a short
period of time and buy new card more often.

Dan

Dan Krueger May 19th 06 01:25 AM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 
basskisser wrote:

Black Dog wrote:

basskisser wrote:

Dan Krueger wrote:


SamJenson wrote:



"basskisser" wrote in message
legroups.com...




I have changed the rear brakes on my Jeep three (3) times. I bought it
with 57 miles on it. I know how they were and still are. Next time I'll
take a picture to prove to you. I am not talking about anybody else's
vehicle, I'm talking about mine. Care to wager?


Because the brakes on *your* Jeep are on backwards proves nothing. Either
you, or the factory installed them backwards.

Yes, I will wager that your brakes are installed incorrectly and we will use
the manufacturers service manual as the final word.
Once you agree to the bet, we can both post our supporting documentation.

The loser sends $500 to JohnH to be donated to the Race for the cure in care
in his daughter's name.



$500 might be a stretch for someone who is complaining about brakes on
an 11 year old vehicle.

Dan


I personally don't need a vehicle as a symbol of my manhood.


Me neither!

Stella



And I'm glad you don't!!!!

Spoken (written) like a true child.

JimH May 19th 06 01:32 AM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 

"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

Don White wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Dan Krueger wrote:

SamJenson wrote:


"basskisser" wrote in message
groups.com...



I have changed the rear brakes on my Jeep three (3) times. I bought
it
with 57 miles on it. I know how they were and still are. Next time
I'll
take a picture to prove to you. I am not talking about anybody else's
vehicle, I'm talking about mine. Care to wager?


Because the brakes on *your* Jeep are on backwards proves nothing.
Either
you, or the factory installed them backwards.

Yes, I will wager that your brakes are installed incorrectly and we
will use
the manufacturers service manual as the final word.
Once you agree to the bet, we can both post our supporting
documentation.

The loser sends $500 to JohnH to be donated to the Race for the cure
in care
in his daughter's name.



$500 might be a stretch for someone who is complaining about brakes on
an 11 year old vehicle.

Dan


I personally don't need a vehicle as a symbol of my manhood.

That's right. I'm keeping my 11 year old mini-van a few more years. I
don't worry as much that my son will ding it as I do with my new Ranger
pickup.


My Jeep is a go anywhere, do anything type of vehicle. I still like
driving it. I've kept in in good shape, runs like a clock, is very low
maintenence. I'll bet I'm a lot better off than a lot of people who
think they need to be seen in an expensive new-every-year car because
of their lack of manhood.


I think you just insulted Richly Rich RCE.



P. Fritz May 19th 06 01:47 AM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 

"Dan Krueger" wrote in message
nk.net...
basskisser wrote:

Don White wrote:

basskisser wrote:

Dan Krueger wrote:


SamJenson wrote:



"basskisser" wrote in message
glegroups.com...




I have changed the rear brakes on my Jeep three (3) times. I bought
it
with 57 miles on it. I know how they were and still are. Next time
I'll
take a picture to prove to you. I am not talking about anybody else's
vehicle, I'm talking about mine. Care to wager?


Because the brakes on *your* Jeep are on backwards proves nothing.
Either
you, or the factory installed them backwards.

Yes, I will wager that your brakes are installed incorrectly and we
will use
the manufacturers service manual as the final word.
Once you agree to the bet, we can both post our supporting
documentation.

The loser sends $500 to JohnH to be donated to the Race for the cure
in care
in his daughter's name.



$500 might be a stretch for someone who is complaining about brakes on
an 11 year old vehicle.

Dan


I personally don't need a vehicle as a symbol of my manhood.


That's right. I'm keeping my 11 year old mini-van a few more years. I
don't worry as much that my son will ding it as I do with my new Ranger
pickup.



My Jeep is a go anywhere, do anything type of vehicle. I still like
driving it. I've kept in in good shape, runs like a clock, is very low
maintenence. I'll bet I'm a lot better off than a lot of people who
think they need to be seen in an expensive new-every-year car because
of their lack of manhood. Buying new vehicles and/or trading perfectly
good vehicles in are poor economical decisions.



There's that "manhood" statement again. You can justify your vehicle
purchases any way you want but that isn't going to help you when you lean
on that BS. Do you pass judgement on everyone who is driving a newer car
than you, Kevin?


It is called jealousy.....kevin displays that a lot.



What do you mean by "I'll bet I'm a lot better off"? That sounds like
someone defining their "manhood" in a different way.

As far as economics, there are two factors that you should consider: (1)
Some people can afford new cars more frequently than others. (2) Others
are business owners who can depreciate a vehicle over a short period of
time and buy new card more often.


Kevin is as cluless as ever. There are all kinds of factors that play into
the cost of owning / operating a car.
Age and mileage play large factors in car value. Depending on how you accrue
mileage over time determines the proper economic decision.



Dan




RCE May 19th 06 02:39 AM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 

" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
...

"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

My Jeep is a go anywhere, do anything type of vehicle. I still like
driving it. I've kept in in good shape, runs like a clock, is very low
maintenence. I'll bet I'm a lot better off than a lot of people who
think they need to be seen in an expensive new-every-year car because
of their lack of manhood.


I think you just insulted Richly Rich RCE.



Nope. In addition to new, I also drive a 60 year old car regularly. Must
make me very secure in my manhood.
Now, you, on the other hand ....

RCE



JimH May 19th 06 02:50 AM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 

"RCE" wrote in message
...

" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
...

"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

My Jeep is a go anywhere, do anything type of vehicle. I still like
driving it. I've kept in in good shape, runs like a clock, is very low
maintenence. I'll bet I'm a lot better off than a lot of people who
think they need to be seen in an expensive new-every-year car because
of their lack of manhood.


I think you just insulted Richly Rich RCE.



Nope. In addition to new, I also drive a 60 year old car regularly. Must
make me very secure in my manhood.
Now, you, on the other hand ....

RCE


I am sure you dropped it off immediately to Chip Foose to do a full frame up
restoration. After all, one must maintain standards in the Richly Rich
household.........eh? ;-)



JIMinFL May 19th 06 02:53 AM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 

"RCE" wrote in message
...

" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
...

"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

My Jeep is a go anywhere, do anything type of vehicle. I still like
driving it. I've kept in in good shape, runs like a clock, is very low
maintenence. I'll bet I'm a lot better off than a lot of people who
think they need to be seen in an expensive new-every-year car because
of their lack of manhood.


I think you just insulted Richly Rich RCE.



Nope. In addition to new, I also drive a 60 year old car regularly. Must
make me very secure in my manhood.
Now, you, on the other hand ....

RCE

JimH is trying to pull you down to his level. Don't let him.



RCE May 19th 06 02:57 AM

Jim Hertvic - a liar...
 

" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
. ..

"RCE" wrote in message
...

" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
...

"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

My Jeep is a go anywhere, do anything type of vehicle. I still like
driving it. I've kept in in good shape, runs like a clock, is very low
maintenence. I'll bet I'm a lot better off than a lot of people who
think they need to be seen in an expensive new-every-year car because
of their lack of manhood.

I think you just insulted Richly Rich RCE.



Nope. In addition to new, I also drive a 60 year old car regularly.
Must make me very secure in my manhood.
Now, you, on the other hand ....

RCE


I am sure you dropped it off immediately to Chip Foose to do a full frame
up restoration. After all, one must maintain standards in the Richly
Rich household.........eh? ;-)


I maintain certain standards, but none that would be of interest to you.

RCE




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