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A while ago I posted this:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b...4010490?&hl=en Check the P.S. And now this: http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/...oll/index.html Mark Browne |
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wrote in message A while ago I posted this: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b...4010490?&hl=en Check the P.S. And now this: http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/...oll/index.html Mark Browne Prediction comes true?? LOL All that poll demonstrates is that it is remarkably easy to find 1027 adult Americans who have no functional thought process. Comparing these two presidencies is like saying grapefruit tastes better than fried clams. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message news:NtGdnW- If we had a system in which the people could vote NO CONFIDENCE in the president, and if two consecutive votes NO CONFIDENCE votes would result in either a recall or new elections..... Great idea, Harry. Institute a system where the existence of the national government is subject to the whims of public opinion on any popular issue of the day. We already have a press that publishes only what they want the public to read. Couple that with your proposal, and you have a system wherein the press will be empowered to dictate a change of governments. Where do you hide to dream this stuff up?? |
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On Sat, 13 May 2006 16:16:27 -0400, John Gaquin wrote:
Great idea, Harry. Institute a system where the existence of the national government is subject to the whims of public opinion on any popular issue of the day. We already have a press that publishes only what they want the public to read. Couple that with your proposal, and you have a system wherein the press will be empowered to dictate a change of governments. Where do you hide to dream this stuff up?? I'm not one to mess with our system. Long term systems may have their faults, but they also provide a stability. However, Harry didn't dream this up, it's called active or participatory democracy, as opposed to our passive model. For an example, look south towards Venezuela. Remember the recall election Chavez survived? That is an example of an active democracy. Also, if you think the press can lead the population around by the nose, you really don't have much faith in democracy, do you? It was James Madison who said, "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives." In a democracy, pay attention, or . . . |
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On Sat, 13 May 2006 17:54:38 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:
While I believe Bush is deserving of impeachment, a trial, and removal from office, I don't believe the country should have to go through that, or even as far as Nixon took us before he resigned. Further, Bush's crimes are far more serious than Nixon's. I simply believe we need a peaceful way to remove an incompetent or grossly dishonest president from office. In nations with a parliamentary system and multiple parties, legislators can hold votes of NO CONFIDENCE and force elections. But we don't have that here. We have another 2-1/2 years with Bush, and now that he has proved to more than two thirds of the country that he truly is a bumbling idiot, it would be nice to have some lawful means to do something about it. I'm quite sympathetic to your reasoning ;-), but I truly fear messing with a system that has endured for 200+ years. When I hear calls for a Constitutional Amendment to solve some transient political football, I cringe. The stability our system provides is more important than that. While you can look southward for an active democracy, you can also look in that direction for countries that seem to replace their Constitutions with every new administration. No thanks, I'll keep this one, with any warts, and all. |
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On Sat, 13 May 2006 18:19:12 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:
You're probably right. I wonder what it would take to make the idiot feel as if he should resign. I don't know, but if you figure it out, let me know. I'll do my part. ;-) |
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Prediction comes true?? LOL All that poll demonstrates is that it is remarkably easy to find 1027 adult Americans who have no functional thought process. Comparing these two presidencies is like saying grapefruit tastes better than fried clams. No, the polls shows that many of the many dysfunctional Americans who voted this poor excuse for a human in are starting to wake up and realize what a bufoon they put in office. Sorry if you can't face the reality that America is finally waking up and seeing Bush for the jackoff he is. You'll just deny it and blame the polls for being all wrong. Very functional thinking on your part....lol... |
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On Sat, 13 May 2006 18:29:35 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: thunder wrote: On Sat, 13 May 2006 18:19:12 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: You're probably right. I wonder what it would take to make the idiot feel as if he should resign. I don't know, but if you figure it out, let me know. I'll do my part. ;-) 200 million Instant Messages? Right, like Bush, who admits he doesn't read, would know how to use a computer and be capable of getting instant messages. No, being the arrogant, ingorant a**hole that he is he will just ignore it all and as long as he has a few people like his girlfreind Condi still in love with him he'll see himself as A-ok and fighting the good fight for christian righteousness and corporate america. |
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"John Chaplain" wrote in message ... Prediction comes true?? LOL All that poll demonstrates is that it is remarkably easy to find 1027 adult Americans who have no functional thought process. Comparing these two presidencies is like saying grapefruit tastes better than fried clams. No, the polls shows that many of the many snip Americans who voted this poor excuse for a human in are starting to wake up and realize what a bufoon they put in office. Sorry if you can't face the reality that America is finally waking up and seeing Bush for the jackoff he is. You'll just deny it and blame the polls for being all wrong. Very functional thinking on your part....lol... I would not call him a buffoon or a jackoff. I do think, however, that he is not listening to what Americans want action on. Nor will I post a personal attack on you like you did to John G. Having said that..........if this was his first term in office I would not vote for him again. If the Bush and the republicans don't turn this around (immigration, the war in Iraq), and barring Hillary being the Dems choice, a democrat will be sitting in the oval office next term. ;-) |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "John Chaplain" wrote in message ... Prediction comes true?? LOL All that poll demonstrates is that it is remarkably easy to find 1027 adult Americans who have no functional thought process. Comparing these two presidencies is like saying grapefruit tastes better than fried clams. No, the polls shows that many of the many snip Americans who voted this poor excuse for a human in are starting to wake up and realize what a bufoon they put in office. Sorry if you can't face the reality that America is finally waking up and seeing Bush for the jackoff he is. You'll just deny it and blame the polls for being all wrong. Very functional thinking on your part....lol... I would not call him a buffoon or a jackoff. I do think, however, that he is not listening to what Americans want action on. Nor will I post a personal attack on you like you did to John G. Having said that..........if this was his first term in office I would not vote for him again. If the Bush and the republicans don't turn this around (immigration, the war in Iraq), and barring Hillary being the Dems choice, a democrat will be sitting in the oval office next term. ;-) I really don't believe Mrs. Clinton is going to make a run for that nomination. While I think she would make a terrific president, I am sure she realizes how divided America is on her, and that her nomination might result in another Democratic Party loss. Run anyone but Clinton and one with more brains than Kerry and you win it. Bush isn't going to "turn around" immigration or the war in Iraq. I would like to hear the solutions on immigration he is proposing tomorrow night before I make that decision. The war in Iraq? I don't know if it is possible to turn it around. We are actually winning the war.........I don't like the human and financial costs we have to bear though. Time for Iraq to start paying for the cost of maintaining a free nation and time for our troops to start moving back to basic support rather than front line. He isn't going to stop the flow of illegals entering the country, and he certainly isn't going to go after the tens of thousands of US employers who gladly hire illegals so they can exploit them. Iraq should be the final proof anyone needs to internalize the idea that while our military forces can beat anyone else's military, they are not the vehicle to win the peace where there is a really strong insurgency working against us. I'm looking at the short term for now. I want the Democrats to capture the House or Senate this fall, thus assuring lameduckhood for Mr. Bush. |
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"thunder" wrote in message ..... it's called active or participatory democracy, as opposed to our passive model. For an example, look south towards Venezuela. Remember the recall election Chavez survived? That is an example of an active democracy. Any government subject to recall on the basis of popularity polls is not stable by anyone's definition. Referring to our system as "passive democracy" is a red herring indeed. We have, by intent and design, a constitutional republic. All representatives of the people are elected within their respective states for stipulated periods of time, not for as long as they are popular, and we have no officials, none at all, that are elected on a national basis. Elected officials are sent the seat of government to conduct the peoples' business. They are expected to exercise their best judgement on the issues facing the country, and if their judgement is not deemed acceptable by the majority in their state, they will not be elected again. They are *not* supposed to poll their constituencies on every question that arises. Pure democracy was particularly avoided by the founders specifically so that one-issue rages of public opinion could not disrupt or overthrow the government. Also, if you think the press can lead the population around by the nose, you really don't have much faith in democracy, do you? The press can, and sometime does, lead the population around when they choose, and I have damn little faith at all in pure democracy. I've observed it and partaken of it directly my whole life, in Town Meetings all over New England. The simple, sad, inescapable fact is that except for very small towns, democracy doesn't work well or efficiently. Gives a lot of people lots of feel-good warm-fuzzies, but is utterly wasteful and innefficient as a management system if you want to get anything done. |
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On Sat, 13 May 2006 16:59:28 -0400, thunder wrote:
On Sat, 13 May 2006 16:16:27 -0400, John Gaquin wrote: Great idea, Harry. Institute a system where the existence of the national government is subject to the whims of public opinion on any popular issue of the day. We already have a press that publishes only what they want the public to read. Couple that with your proposal, and you have a system wherein the press will be empowered to dictate a change of governments. Where do you hide to dream this stuff up?? I'm not one to mess with our system. Long term systems may have their faults, but they also provide a stability. However, Harry didn't dream this up, it's called active or participatory democracy, as opposed to our passive model. For an example, look south towards Venezuela. Remember the recall election Chavez survived? That is an example of an active democracy. Also, if you think the press can lead the population around by the nose, you really don't have much faith in democracy, do you? It was James Madison who said, "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives." In a democracy, pay attention, or . . . And since we don't want a Chavez type 'democracy', why not take your political stuff elsewhere? -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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"John Chaplain" wrote in message No, the polls shows that many of the many dysfunctional Americans who voted this poor excuse for a human in are starting to wake up and realize what a bufoon they put in office. Sorry if you can't face the reality that America is finally waking up and seeing Bush for the jackoff he is. You'll just deny it and blame the polls for being all wrong. Very functional thinking on your part....lol... Most of us stopped using personal insult as a standard debating tool somewhere around the age of 12. My post made no comment one way or the other regarding the efficacy of the GWB or Clinton administrations. The sole point was that it is pontless or misleading to ask simplistic poll questions when the two administrations operated in such markedly different economic and foreign policy contexts. Hence, grapefruit or fried clams? |
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On Sat, 13 May 2006 17:54:38 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: thunder wrote: On Sat, 13 May 2006 16:16:27 -0400, John Gaquin wrote: Great idea, Harry. Institute a system where the existence of the national government is subject to the whims of public opinion on any popular issue of the day. We already have a press that publishes only what they want the public to read. Couple that with your proposal, and you have a system wherein the press will be empowered to dictate a change of governments. Where do you hide to dream this stuff up?? I'm not one to mess with our system. Long term systems may have their faults, but they also provide a stability. However, Harry didn't dream this up, it's called active or participatory democracy, as opposed to our passive model. For an example, look south towards Venezuela. Remember the recall election Chavez survived? That is an example of an active democracy. Also, if you think the press can lead the population around by the nose, you really don't have much faith in democracy, do you? It was James Madison who said, "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives." In a democracy, pay attention, or . . . While I believe Bush is deserving of impeachment, a trial, and removal from office, I don't believe the country should have to go through that, or even as far as Nixon took us before he resigned. Further, Bush's crimes are far more serious than Nixon's. I simply believe we need a peaceful way to remove an incompetent or grossly dishonest president from office. In nations with a parliamentary system and multiple parties, legislators can hold votes of NO CONFIDENCE and force elections. But we don't have that here. We have another 2-1/2 years with Bush, and now that he has proved to more than two thirds of the country that he truly is a bumbling idiot, it would be nice to have some lawful means to do something about it. And take this guy and john and mark with you, Thunder. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: Run anyone but Clinton and one with more brains than Kerry and you win it. Kerry has the brains, but he's devoid of charisma. If I recall correctly GWB actually had a better SAT score and a better GPA than Kerry at Yale. |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Sat, 13 May 2006 17:54:38 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: thunder wrote: On Sat, 13 May 2006 16:16:27 -0400, John Gaquin wrote: Great idea, Harry. Institute a system where the existence of the national government is subject to the whims of public opinion on any popular issue of the day. We already have a press that publishes only what they want the public to read. Couple that with your proposal, and you have a system wherein the press will be empowered to dictate a change of governments. Where do you hide to dream this stuff up?? I'm not one to mess with our system. Long term systems may have their faults, but they also provide a stability. However, Harry didn't dream this up, it's called active or participatory democracy, as opposed to our passive model. For an example, look south towards Venezuela. Remember the recall election Chavez survived? That is an example of an active democracy. Also, if you think the press can lead the population around by the nose, you really don't have much faith in democracy, do you? It was James Madison who said, "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives." In a democracy, pay attention, or . . . While I believe Bush is deserving of impeachment, a trial, and removal from office, I don't believe the country should have to go through that, or even as far as Nixon took us before he resigned. Further, Bush's crimes are far more serious than Nixon's. I simply believe we need a peaceful way to remove an incompetent or grossly dishonest president from office. In nations with a parliamentary system and multiple parties, legislators can hold votes of NO CONFIDENCE and force elections. But we don't have that here. We have another 2-1/2 years with Bush, and now that he has proved to more than two thirds of the country that he truly is a bumbling idiot, it would be nice to have some lawful means to do something about it. And take this guy and john and mark with you, Thunder. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** http://simplythebest.net/sounds/Midi...one_ranger.mid |
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"John Gaquin" wrote in message ... "John Chaplain" wrote in message No, the polls shows that many of the many dysfunctional Americans who voted this poor excuse for a human in are starting to wake up and realize what a bufoon they put in office. Sorry if you can't face the reality that America is finally waking up and seeing Bush for the jackoff he is. You'll just deny it and blame the polls for being all wrong. Very functional thinking on your part....lol... Most of us stopped using personal insult as a standard debating tool somewhere around the age of 12. Except for harry, don, kevin, etc etc. My post made no comment one way or the other regarding the efficacy of the GWB or Clinton administrations. The sole point was that it is pontless or misleading to ask simplistic poll questions when the two administrations operated in such markedly different economic and foreign policy contexts. Hence, grapefruit or fried clams? There are plenty of conservatives (including me) that are unhappy with the way the present administration is heading. That does not mean that I will pull the lever for the socialist, i.e. democratic party. |
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"JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT com REMOVETHIS wrote in message . .. "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: Run anyone but Clinton and one with more brains than Kerry and you win it. Kerry has the brains, but he's devoid of charisma. If I recall correctly GWB actually had a better SAT score and a better GPA than Kerry at Yale. Bush also ha a spine, unlike kerry. |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Sat, 13 May 2006 16:59:28 -0400, thunder wrote: On Sat, 13 May 2006 16:16:27 -0400, John Gaquin wrote: Great idea, Harry. Institute a system where the existence of the national government is subject to the whims of public opinion on any popular issue of the day. We already have a press that publishes only what they want the public to read. Couple that with your proposal, and you have a system wherein the press will be empowered to dictate a change of governments. Where do you hide to dream this stuff up?? I'm not one to mess with our system. Long term systems may have their faults, but they also provide a stability. However, Harry didn't dream this up, it's called active or participatory democracy, as opposed to our passive model. For an example, look south towards Venezuela. Remember the recall election Chavez survived? That is an example of an active democracy. Also, if you think the press can lead the population around by the nose, you really don't have much faith in democracy, do you? It was James Madison who said, "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives." In a democracy, pay attention, or . . . And since we don't want a Chavez type 'democracy', why not take your political stuff elsewhere? Actually, what we have is a constituionally limited republic. Now if only the supreme court would follow the constitution. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: Run anyone but Clinton and one with more brains than Kerry and you win it. Kerry has the brains, but he's devoid of charisma. If I recall correctly GWB actually had a better SAT score and a better GPA than Kerry at Yale. There's more to brains than GPA's. I dunno about Kerry's SATs, but I have seen Bush's, and they were atrocious. I guess I could Google the information but I really don' think it matters one way or another. Both of them are has been's, with GWB being ahead of Kerry on points. ;-) |
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On Sat, 13 May 2006 20:17:33 -0400, John Gaquin wrote:
The simple, sad, inescapable fact is that except for very small towns, democracy doesn't work well or efficiently. Gives a lot of people lots of feel-good warm-fuzzies, but is utterly wasteful and innefficient as a management system if you want to get anything done. I dunno, but it sounds good to me. Quite often I think government should get a little less done. ;-) |
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On Sat, 13 May 2006 18:19:12 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: You're probably right. I wonder what it would take to make the idiot feel as if he should resign. Gasoline at $1 a gallon. bb |
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Harry Krause wrote: Several of us are having a perfectly nice discussion here, and we're not on the same side, politically. If you don't like it, just skip over these posts. Too bad that experience indicates that as soon as one side or the other scores a "zinger" the name calling, etc, will begin and that it won't be limited to this particular thread. When the schidt flinging and personal remarks spill over from this totally inappropriate thread into the on-topic items that people seek out a NG to read, it is then no longer possible to just "skip over" the posts and have a functional group. The OP had no business launching an anti-Bush thread here. You probably have some idea about whether or not I actually agree with most anti-Bush sentiments people might care to express, but IMO we need to exercise some self control to keep the group on course rather than sit along the sidelines salivating until somebody else "starts it" and we can get our pro-Bush or anti-Bush licks in for the day. :-) |
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I did not mean to launch a personal atrtack on you, sorry you took it
that way. You said that people responding to the survey were dysfunctional, I was just pointing out that perhaps your thinking on the issues is not quite as functional as you might like to think, (which I admit is sort of an insult,) but meant more in a debating rather than derogatory sense since it was you who used the term "dysfunctional Americans" in the first place. Peace, John C. On Sat, 13 May 2006 20:24:31 -0400, "John Gaquin" wrote: "John Chaplain" wrote in message No, the polls shows that many of the many dysfunctional Americans who voted this poor excuse for a human in are starting to wake up and realize what a bufoon they put in office. Sorry if you can't face the reality that America is finally waking up and seeing Bush for the jackoff he is. You'll just deny it and blame the polls for being all wrong. Very functional thinking on your part....lol... Most of us stopped using personal insult as a standard debating tool somewhere around the age of 12. My post made no comment one way or the other regarding the efficacy of the GWB or Clinton administrations. The sole point was that it is pontless or misleading to ask simplistic poll questions when the two administrations operated in such markedly different economic and foreign policy contexts. Hence, grapefruit or fried clams? |
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Puleeze Chuck. Use your filter to remove OT: posts. I'm pretty sure you
know how. |
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Chuck,
You are of course correct; this is a bit of a troll. I came to the group when I started working on my Crestliner and got very bummed out by all the political crap spewed on a regular basis. I rose to the bait on several threads and became one of the regular polluters of the group. It is one thing to cut and paste the political drivel; I worked though what had to happen and it really did help ME understand what I was thinking about the issues. Sending your kids off to war can do things like that to you. During that time I made a dozen or so verifiable predictions about how this war adventuring and financial recklessness would all turn out. When I realized that I was not learning anything new about the issues I stopped. Since then, I have tried to exercise restraint and only respond to posts where I actually know something about the topic and that it truly boating related. This poll thing happened to be one of the predictions and I succumbed to the "I told you so" thing. On the plus side, there are only about 10 or so OT issues predictions left to verify; and I will try to be strong but it's hard when you are proved right like that. Sorry. Mark Browne |
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jiminfl wrote: Puleeze Chuck. Use your filter to remove OT: posts. I'm pretty sure you know how. That's not the point. The political crap flinging inspires flaming and name calling that overflows the borders of the trolled threads and finds its way into the on-topic material. There are years of history to verify this. Most participants in rec.boats don't have the capacity to call one another vile names in one thread and then have a civil discussion in another. |
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"John Chaplain" wrote in message I did not mean to launch a personal atrtack on you, sorry you took it that way. OK, no harm done. You said that people responding to the survey were dysfunctional..... ......since it was you who used the term "dysfunctional Americans" in the first place. Well, not quite accurate. The term I used was "...no functional thought process...". The point is that when asked that type of simplistic polling question, --"who did a better job, Clinton or Bush?"--, the first response of any thinking person ought to be "Trick question!!" They operated in two different worlds. |
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John Gaquin wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ..... it's called active or participatory democracy, as opposed to our passive model. For an example, look south towards Venezuela. Remember the recall election Chavez survived? That is an example of an active democracy. Any government subject to recall on the basis of popularity polls is not stable by anyone's definition. Yeah, what to hell do you guys want? A government in which the people actually have a say in how it's ran? ;) |
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"John Chaplain" wrote in message ... Prediction comes true?? LOL All that poll demonstrates is that it is remarkably easy to find 1027 adult Americans who have no functional thought process. Comparing these two presidencies is like saying grapefruit tastes better than fried clams. No, the polls shows that many of the many dysfunctional Americans who voted this poor excuse for a human in are starting to wake up and realize what a bufoon they put in office. Sorry if you can't face the reality that America is finally waking up and seeing Bush for the jackoff he is. You'll just deny it and blame the polls for being all wrong. Very functional thinking on your part....lol... Even with Bush's approval at 31% (according to Gallup), Bush has approximately 68% approval among Republicans, and only 4% among Democrats. There is a 64 point spread between Republican support and Democrat support of this President...the widest gap ever. So you guys see in the polls what you want to see, and we see what we want to see. But November will show who is right once again. ;-) From Gallup: "Bush's 68% rating among Republicans is better than Carter's rating among Democrats (34%), the elder Bush's rating among Republicans (57%), and Clinton's rating among Democrats (63%), at each president's low point. It is roughly the same as the 69% that Reagan received among Republicans at his low point. Bush has the widest gap between Republicans' and Democrats' approval ratings of any of the five presidents at the low points of their administration. There is a 64-point gap between Republicans' and Democrats' ratings of Bush right now. This compares with a 50-point partisan gap for Reagan, a 45-point gap for Clinton, a 45-point gap for the elder Bush, and a 15-point gap for Carter." http://poll.gallup.com/content/?ci=22708 |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "John Chaplain" wrote in message ... Prediction comes true?? LOL All that poll demonstrates is that it is remarkably easy to find 1027 adult Americans who have no functional thought process. Comparing these two presidencies is like saying grapefruit tastes better than fried clams. No, the polls shows that many of the many snip Americans who voted this poor excuse for a human in are starting to wake up and realize what a bufoon they put in office. Sorry if you can't face the reality that America is finally waking up and seeing Bush for the jackoff he is. You'll just deny it and blame the polls for being all wrong. Very functional thinking on your part....lol... I would not call him a buffoon or a jackoff. I do think, however, that he is not listening to what Americans want action on. Nor will I post a personal attack on you like you did to John G. Having said that..........if this was his first term in office I would not vote for him again. If the Bush and the republicans don't turn this around (immigration, the war in Iraq), and barring Hillary being the Dems choice, a democrat will be sitting in the oval office next term. ;-) I really don't believe Mrs. Clinton is going to make a run for that nomination. While I think she would make a terrific president, I am sure she realizes how divided America is on her, and that her nomination might result in another Democratic Party loss. Bush isn't going to "turn around" immigration or the war in Iraq. He isn't going to stop the flow of illegals entering the country, and he certainly isn't going to go after the tens of thousands of US employers who gladly hire illegals so they can exploit them. Iraq should be the final proof anyone needs to internalize the idea that while our military forces can beat anyone else's military, they are not the vehicle to win the peace where there is a really strong insurgency working against us. I'm looking at the short term for now. I want the Democrats to capture the House or Senate this fall, thus assuring lameduckhood for Mr. Bush. Democrats will capture neither. |
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"thunder" wrote in message ... Remember the recall election Chavez survived? That is an example of an active democracy. And what do you call it when Chavez changes the rules to make himself President for the next 25 years? When the Republicans retain the House and Senate this Fall, they should move to abolish the 22nd Amendment...so we can have an "active democracy" like Venezuela. |
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"bb" wrote in message ... On Sat, 13 May 2006 18:19:12 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: You're probably right. I wonder what it would take to make the idiot feel as if he should resign. Gasoline at $1 a gallon. According to the following chart, he'd have a 90% approval rating: http://www.pollkatz.homestead.com/fi...0_image001.gif |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. NOYB wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... Remember the recall election Chavez survived? That is an example of an active democracy. And what do you call it when Chavez changes the rules to make himself President for the next 25 years? When the Republicans retain the House and Senate this Fall, they should move to abolish the 22nd Amendment...so we can have an "active democracy" like Venezuela. First, of course, we'd have to have a president whose EEG wasn't flat. Here's Harry's EEG when the 22nd Amendment is abolished, and Bush is made President for life: http://www.neuro.jhmi.edu/HopkinsSWS...images/eeg.jpg |
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"basskisser" wrote in message Yeah, what to hell do you guys want? A government in which the people actually have a say in how it's ran? ;) The people have a say in how it's "ran" [sic]. Which part of republic don't you understand? |
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On Mon, 15 May 2006 20:40:57 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:
"bb" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 13 May 2006 18:19:12 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: You're probably right. I wonder what it would take to make the idiot feel as if he should resign. Gasoline at $1 a gallon. According to the following chart, he'd have a 90% approval rating: http://www.pollkatz.homestead.com/fi...0_image001.gif Oooooh, his approval rating chart is as ugly as a gas chart. Time for some alternative energy, and leaders. bb |
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On Mon, 15 May 2006 20:38:35 +0000, NOYB wrote:
And what do you call it when Chavez changes the rules to make himself President for the next 25 years? I'd call it BS. http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=1723 http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=1901 Don't get me wrong, I don't think Chavez is a devout believer in democracy. There was his failed 1992 coup attempt. But I sure do like the way he has managed to get under our President's skin. When the Republicans retain the House and Senate this Fall, they should move to abolish the 22nd Amendment...so we can have an "active democracy" like Venezuela. They're not working on that now? |
OT - Another prediction comes to pass!
Harry Krause wrote:
thunder wrote: On Mon, 15 May 2006 20:38:35 +0000, NOYB wrote: And what do you call it when Chavez changes the rules to make himself President for the next 25 years? I'd call it BS. http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=1723 http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=1901 Don't get me wrong, I don't think Chavez is a devout believer in democracy. There was his failed 1992 coup attempt. But I sure do like the way he has managed to get under our President's skin. When the Republicans retain the House and Senate this Fall, they should move to abolish the 22nd Amendment...so we can have an "active democracy" like Venezuela. They're not working on that now? Chavez is one of the most interesting pols on the world scene. I got a kick out of the way the Bushshippers "retaliated" against him yesterday by banning arm sales to Venezuela. Chavez, after all, doesn't support the Bushshippers' fraudulent anti-terrorism program. Has anyone in the Bushshipper Administration noticed that South America is slipping away from the US sphere of influence? The may not like our influence but, they do like the Yankee dollar. |
OT - Another prediction comes to pass!
John Gaquin wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message Yeah, what to hell do you guys want? A government in which the people actually have a say in how it's ran? ;) The people have a say in how it's "ran" [sic]. Which part of republic don't you understand? Hmm, I guess it went right over your head, eh? SHOOOM!!! By the way, seeing how you like to think that you are somehow superior to others because you proof read every tiny post, perhaps you like to know that if you take the contraction out of "What part of republic don't you understand", it reads Which part of republic do not you understand, when in fact it should read What part of republic do you not understand. |
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