On Sun, 07 May 2006 22:15:14 GMT, Don White wrote:

JIMinFL wrote:
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JIMinFL wrote:

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What's your point?
If they helped bring that war to an early close shouldn't they be
honoured?


Honoring cowardly acts is not the American way. I'm surprised that Canada
feels differently.


Do you think they were all cowards?
Maybe some didn't believe in an unjust war. Who was right once all the
bulls*it & smoke cleared?

Their running did nothing to stop the war, it just allowed others to get
killed in their place. Protesters protested right here in the streets.

What would you call the runners?
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John H

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Don White wrote:
JIMinFL wrote:
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JIMinFL wrote:

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...ers040908.html


What's your point?
If they helped bring that war to an early close shouldn't they be
honoured?


Honoring cowardly acts is not the American way. I'm surprised that
Canada feels differently.

Do you think they were all cowards?
Maybe some didn't believe in an unjust war. Who was right once all the
bulls*it & smoke cleared?

Yes, they were all cowards.

You have to evaluate the threat at the time. And, the threat was real.
Go read the major world news papers, outside the communist bloc, from
the time period and you will find that the action taken at the time was
correct.

JIMinFL wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
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JIMinFL wrote:
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...ers040908.html

What's your point?
If they helped bring that war to an early close shouldn't they be
honoured?

Honoring cowardly acts is not the American way. I'm surprised that Canada
feels differently.

Cowardice had nothing to do with it. People went because they had the
balls to stand up to their political, religious and personal
convictions. They didn't like the reasoning for the war, realized it
was absurd that we were there, and didn't just lemming-like join
because everyone tells them that it's honorable to your country to go
kill a bunch of innocent people.

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JIMinFL wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
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JIMinFL wrote:
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...ers040908.html

What's your point?
If they helped bring that war to an early close shouldn't they be
honoured?

Honoring cowardly acts is not the American way. I'm surprised that Canada
feels differently.

Cowardice had nothing to do with it. People went because they had the
balls to stand up to their political, religious and personal
convictions. They didn't like the reasoning for the war, realized it
was absurd that we were there, and didn't just lemming-like join
because everyone tells them that it's honorable to your country to go
kill a bunch of innocent people.


It had nothing to do with "joining". It was draft evasion. Those that
violated the law and ran to Canada or elsewhere were in the minority, for
sure, but they caused others to be called up to replace them who otherwise
may not have been called. If one was willing to take the time to prove
being a true conscientious objector, there were programs to allow you to
serve the country in other ways other than the military. Even those of us in
the military had limited options. My best friend served in the fleet
marines as a Navy corpsman, caring for the injured and saving lives. He
never carried a rifle. This was by choice because he didn't believe in
killing.

Most of us that were subject to the draft during the 60's were products of
the American culture of the 50's. That culture taught us that military
service was an honorable duty, along with patriotism and a sense of unity of
purpose. By the late 60's things had changed. The drug culture was in full
bloom, the sexual revolution was well underway and the overall thinking was
"me" rather than "us". So, I don't buy all the crap about draft dodgers
being generally categorized as being spiritually and/or morally opposed to
the Vietnam War or our government's actions. They were, with some
exceptions, more interested in themselves and their personal interests. In
a sense this selfish philosophy produced a whole new group of lemmings.

RCE

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JIMinFL wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
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JIMinFL wrote:
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...ers040908.html

What's your point?
If they helped bring that war to an early close shouldn't they be
honoured?

Honoring cowardly acts is not the American way. I'm surprised that
Canada
feels differently.

Cowardice had nothing to do with it. People went because they had the
balls to stand up to their political, religious and personal
convictions. They didn't like the reasoning for the war, realized it
was absurd that we were there, and didn't just lemming-like join
because everyone tells them that it's honorable to your country to go
kill a bunch of innocent people.


It had nothing to do with "joining". It was draft evasion. Those that
violated the law and ran to Canada or elsewhere were in the minority, for
sure, but they caused others to be called up to replace them who otherwise
may not have been called. If one was willing to take the time to prove
being a true conscientious objector, there were programs to allow you to
serve the country in other ways other than the military. Even those of us
in the military had limited options. My best friend served in the fleet
marines as a Navy corpsman, caring for the injured and saving lives. He
never carried a rifle. This was by choice because he didn't believe in
killing.

Most of us that were subject to the draft during the 60's were products of
the American culture of the 50's. That culture taught us that military
service was an honorable duty, along with patriotism and a sense of unity
of purpose. By the late 60's things had changed. The drug culture was in
full bloom, the sexual revolution was well underway and the overall
thinking was "me" rather than "us". So, I don't buy all the crap about
draft dodgers being generally categorized as being spiritually and/or
morally opposed to the Vietnam War or our government's actions. They
were, with some exceptions, more interested in themselves and their
personal interests. In a sense this selfish philosophy produced a whole
new group of lemmings.

RCE


If you (and I mean specifically YOU, not some theoretical "other") were
absolutely sure that a war was wrong, would you still serve?

basskisser wrote:
JIMinFL wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
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JIMinFL wrote:
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...ers040908.html
What's your point?
If they helped bring that war to an early close shouldn't they be
honoured?
Honoring cowardly acts is not the American way. I'm surprised that Canada
feels differently.

Cowardice had nothing to do with it. People went because they had the
balls to stand up to their political, religious and personal
convictions. They didn't like the reasoning for the war, realized it
was absurd that we were there, and didn't just lemming-like join
because everyone tells them that it's honorable to your country to go
kill a bunch of innocent people.

They could have gone to jail like Muhammad Ali. Instead they ran as fast
as they could to Canada to hide.

On Sun, 07 May 2006 19:26:21 GMT, Don White wrote:

JIMinFL wrote:
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...ers040908.html



What's your point?
If they helped bring that war to an early close shouldn't they be honoured?

Running to Canada did not bring the war to a close. It did allow for others
to get killed in their place.
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'Til next time,

John H

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"Don White" wrote in message
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JIMinFL wrote:
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What's your point?
If they helped bring that war to an early close shouldn't they be
honoured?


Relax, Don. A certain type of person is REQUIRED to have a problem with
people who make difficult decisions of conscience.

This have something to do with boats?

Aren't there some right wing groups some place where people would be
eager to GD your target group?

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This have something to do with boats?

Aren't there some right wing groups some place where people would be
eager to GD your target group?

Conscience bothering you?