"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Wed, 03 May 2006 12:43:40 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...

I forgot to include an important piece of this puzzle. Person B's
spouse
works almost as many hours, so the kids are in day care a lot. Unless
you
want your kids in a **** hole of a day care center, do you have any
idea
what it costs?

You mean to tell me that person B, (legal or illegal), has no
education,
is
working 90 hours/week, making $5.55 hr, is producing babies on top of
it?

Am I supposed to feel sorry for stupidity?

Did person B work Monday, or was he out marching to get more illegals
into
the country?
John H


Ah....the recorded response.


There are many people in this country who just have no understanding of
or
compassion for the plight of the working poor, and don't want any. It's
always been that way and it always will be. I used to have compassion
for
the stupidity of these arrogant, unfeeling nincompoops, but no more.

You know any people like that, Doug? I've known a few, but none are
among
my friends or people with whom I would socialize, even informally.





I think John cannot imagine a situation where people might have kids when
they were doing OK financially, but ended up in a lousy position afterward
for any of a number of embarrassingly obvious reasons.


If you'll check, you'll see that the focus of my posts has been on illegal
immigration, and it's affect on the low end of the pay scale.

I've made no mention of the dot com guy that lost his $100,000 a year job.
Totally different circumstances

John H

How about a less extreme example?

On Wed, 03 May 2006 16:53:41 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 03 May 2006 12:43:40 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...

I forgot to include an important piece of this puzzle. Person B's
spouse
works almost as many hours, so the kids are in day care a lot. Unless
you
want your kids in a **** hole of a day care center, do you have any
idea
what it costs?

You mean to tell me that person B, (legal or illegal), has no
education,
is
working 90 hours/week, making $5.55 hr, is producing babies on top of
it?

Am I supposed to feel sorry for stupidity?

Did person B work Monday, or was he out marching to get more illegals
into
the country?
John H


Ah....the recorded response.


There are many people in this country who just have no understanding of
or
compassion for the plight of the working poor, and don't want any. It's
always been that way and it always will be. I used to have compassion
for
the stupidity of these arrogant, unfeeling nincompoops, but no more.

You know any people like that, Doug? I've known a few, but none are
among
my friends or people with whom I would socialize, even informally.





I think John cannot imagine a situation where people might have kids when
they were doing OK financially, but ended up in a lousy position afterward
for any of a number of embarrassingly obvious reasons.


If you'll check, you'll see that the focus of my posts has been on illegal
immigration, and it's affect on the low end of the pay scale.

I've made no mention of the dot com guy that lost his $100,000 a year job.
Totally different circumstances

John H

How about a less extreme example?


Maybe you should clarify your example. I referred to a person with no
education. How much did your uneducated person B make in his first job, the
one he held while making the babies?

Seven or eight years ago there were many 'specials' on the news showing
folks who'd had a good job, lost it during the recession, and were about to
lose their $400,000 home. I sure sympathized with them. That's a hell of a
blow. But, it's not the group of people I'm discussing. And, you haven't
seen any of those 'specials' in a long time.

It's my contention that illegal immigrants hurt the poor of this country by
reducing the number of available jobs *and* keeping the wages deflated.

If an individual will mow your grass for $8 and hour, are you (or Harry)
going to say, "Oh no, that's not enough, I'm going to give you $15 an
hour!"
--
'Til next time,

John H

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"JohnH" wrote in message
...

I think John cannot imagine a situation where people might have kids
when
they were doing OK financially, but ended up in a lousy position
afterward
for any of a number of embarrassingly obvious reasons.


If you'll check, you'll see that the focus of my posts has been on
illegal
immigration, and it's affect on the low end of the pay scale.

I've made no mention of the dot com guy that lost his $100,000 a year
job.
Totally different circumstances

John H

How about a less extreme example?


Maybe you should clarify your example. I referred to a person with no
education. How much did your uneducated person B make in his first job,
the
one he held while making the babies?

There is some income level below which YOU (and NOYB) will say they had no
business having kids. I don't know the specific number. You choose.

On Wed, 03 May 2006 17:22:14 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .

I think John cannot imagine a situation where people might have kids
when
they were doing OK financially, but ended up in a lousy position
afterward
for any of a number of embarrassingly obvious reasons.


If you'll check, you'll see that the focus of my posts has been on
illegal
immigration, and it's affect on the low end of the pay scale.

I've made no mention of the dot com guy that lost his $100,000 a year
job.
Totally different circumstances

John H

How about a less extreme example?


Maybe you should clarify your example. I referred to a person with no
education. How much did your uneducated person B make in his first job,
the
one he held while making the babies?

There is some income level below which YOU (and NOYB) will say they had no
business having kids. I don't know the specific number. You choose.


Well, your $5.50/hour example is a good starting point!
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 03 May 2006 17:22:14 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
. ..

I think John cannot imagine a situation where people might have kids
when
they were doing OK financially, but ended up in a lousy position
afterward
for any of a number of embarrassingly obvious reasons.


If you'll check, you'll see that the focus of my posts has been on
illegal
immigration, and it's affect on the low end of the pay scale.

I've made no mention of the dot com guy that lost his $100,000 a year
job.
Totally different circumstances

John H

How about a less extreme example?


Maybe you should clarify your example. I referred to a person with no
education. How much did your uneducated person B make in his first job,
the
one he held while making the babies?

There is some income level below which YOU (and NOYB) will say they had no
business having kids. I don't know the specific number. You choose.


Well, your $5.50/hour example is a good starting point!


No it's not. You have a higher number in your head. I won't continue until
you pin down the real number, and 5.50 isn't it.

On Wed, 03 May 2006 18:03:52 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 03 May 2006 17:22:14 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
...

I think John cannot imagine a situation where people might have kids
when
they were doing OK financially, but ended up in a lousy position
afterward
for any of a number of embarrassingly obvious reasons.


If you'll check, you'll see that the focus of my posts has been on
illegal
immigration, and it's affect on the low end of the pay scale.

I've made no mention of the dot com guy that lost his $100,000 a year
job.
Totally different circumstances

John H

How about a less extreme example?


Maybe you should clarify your example. I referred to a person with no
education. How much did your uneducated person B make in his first job,
the
one he held while making the babies?

There is some income level below which YOU (and NOYB) will say they had no
business having kids. I don't know the specific number. You choose.


Well, your $5.50/hour example is a good starting point!


No it's not. You have a higher number in your head. I won't continue until
you pin down the real number, and 5.50 isn't it.


I have no number in my head. If a man and a woman can't provide for the
family at better than the level you call 'poverty', then they shouldn't be
making babies.

There's something wrong when the rationale goes, "Hey, let's make another
baby, and then we can get money from the government."
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 03 May 2006 18:03:52 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 03 May 2006 17:22:14 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
m...

I think John cannot imagine a situation where people might have kids
when
they were doing OK financially, but ended up in a lousy position
afterward
for any of a number of embarrassingly obvious reasons.


If you'll check, you'll see that the focus of my posts has been on
illegal
immigration, and it's affect on the low end of the pay scale.

I've made no mention of the dot com guy that lost his $100,000 a
year
job.
Totally different circumstances

John H

How about a less extreme example?


Maybe you should clarify your example. I referred to a person with no
education. How much did your uneducated person B make in his first
job,
the
one he held while making the babies?

There is some income level below which YOU (and NOYB) will say they had
no
business having kids. I don't know the specific number. You choose.


Well, your $5.50/hour example is a good starting point!


No it's not. You have a higher number in your head. I won't continue until
you pin down the real number, and 5.50 isn't it.


I have no number in my head. If a man and a woman can't provide for the
family at better than the level you call 'poverty', then they shouldn't be
making babies.

There's something wrong when the rationale goes, "Hey, let's make another
baby, and then we can get money from the government."
--
'Til next time,

John H

I wasn't aware of the "make money with babies" syndrome. You're a great
teacher.

On Wed, 03 May 2006 14:27:21 -0400, JohnH wrote:


There's something wrong when the rationale goes, "Hey, let's make another
baby, and then we can get money from the government." --
'Til next time,

Geez John, you are a little out of date. AFDC was ended nearly ten years
ago.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"JohnH" wrote in message
...

I think John cannot imagine a situation where people might have kids
when
they were doing OK financially, but ended up in a lousy position
afterward
for any of a number of embarrassingly obvious reasons.


If you'll check, you'll see that the focus of my posts has been on
illegal
immigration, and it's affect on the low end of the pay scale.

I've made no mention of the dot com guy that lost his $100,000 a year
job.
Totally different circumstances

John H

How about a less extreme example?


Maybe you should clarify your example. I referred to a person with no
education. How much did your uneducated person B make in his first job,
the
one he held while making the babies?

There is some income level below which YOU (and NOYB) will say they had no
business having kids. I don't know the specific number. You choose.


The answer is simple.........the income level at which they can barely
support themselves.

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 03 May 2006 16:53:41 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 03 May 2006 12:43:40 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...

I forgot to include an important piece of this puzzle. Person B's
spouse
works almost as many hours, so the kids are in day care a lot.
Unless
you
want your kids in a **** hole of a day care center, do you have any
idea
what it costs?

You mean to tell me that person B, (legal or illegal), has no
education,
is
working 90 hours/week, making $5.55 hr, is producing babies on top
of
it?

Am I supposed to feel sorry for stupidity?

Did person B work Monday, or was he out marching to get more
illegals
into
the country?
John H


Ah....the recorded response.


There are many people in this country who just have no understanding
of
or
compassion for the plight of the working poor, and don't want any.
It's
always been that way and it always will be. I used to have compassion
for
the stupidity of these arrogant, unfeeling nincompoops, but no more.

You know any people like that, Doug? I've known a few, but none are
among
my friends or people with whom I would socialize, even informally.





I think John cannot imagine a situation where people might have kids
when
they were doing OK financially, but ended up in a lousy position
afterward
for any of a number of embarrassingly obvious reasons.


If you'll check, you'll see that the focus of my posts has been on
illegal
immigration, and it's affect on the low end of the pay scale.

I've made no mention of the dot com guy that lost his $100,000 a year
job.
Totally different circumstances

John H

How about a less extreme example?


Maybe you should clarify your example. I referred to a person with no
education. How much did your uneducated person B make in his first job,
the
one he held while making the babies?

Seven or eight years ago there were many 'specials' on the news showing
folks who'd had a good job, lost it during the recession, and were about
to
lose their $400,000 home. I sure sympathized with them. That's a hell of a
blow. But, it's not the group of people I'm discussing. And, you haven't
seen any of those 'specials' in a long time.

It's my contention that illegal immigrants hurt the poor of this country
by
reducing the number of available jobs *and* keeping the wages deflated.

If an individual will mow your grass for $8 and hour, are you (or Harry)
going to say, "Oh no, that's not enough, I'm going to give you $15 an
hour!"
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

Heck, we pay my son $20 each time he cuts the grass. It takes him about 1
hour, maybe longer if he bags it. He does not trim though....my wife does
that.

You are getting one hell of a deal if you have someone cutting your grass
for $8/hour. Professional service around here (they are in and out in 1/2
hour) is anywhere from $40 to $50 a pop.