"JohnH" wrote in message
...

Oh woe is me.

That's for all y'all saying the economy is so bad. I wonder who's buying
all these middle class homes? I wonder who's buying all the cars? I wonder
who's getting all the jobs and promotions?
..

"Whaddaya mean, run out of buffalo? Whoever heard of such an idea? I
just saw a herd a couple of days ago. Must still be plenty left." Wm
Cody, 1891 (not, just for purposes of illustration)

I never said the economy was bad. What I did say was that more people
than ever before are able to buy $1mm boats, and that more people than
ever before are working without as basic a benefit as health insurance
and cannot individually afford the premiums to pay for it with after
tax dollars. Is either one of those statements untrue? No, both are
correct.

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"JohnH" wrote in message
...

Oh woe is me.

That's for all y'all saying the economy is so bad. I wonder who's
buying
all these middle class homes? I wonder who's buying all the cars? I
wonder
who's getting all the jobs and promotions?
.

"Whaddaya mean, run out of buffalo? Whoever heard of such an idea? I
just saw a herd a couple of days ago. Must still be plenty left." Wm
Cody, 1891 (not, just for purposes of illustration)

I never said the economy was bad. What I did say was that more people
than ever before are able to buy $1mm boats, and that more people than
ever before are working without as basic a benefit as health insurance
and cannot individually afford the premiums to pay for it with after
tax dollars. Is either one of those statements untrue? No, both are
correct.


Business has never been better for most every industrial customer I see.

It has been going like an old chain saw over the past few years for
them..............revs up........sputters..........revs
up...........sputters.........

It has now been purring consistently for enough months for these plants to
be hiring new employees and putting on additional shifts. They have also
been ordering new durable goods (machinery) and expanding their buildings.
You don't do that with an uncertain economy or one which 'sputters'. ;-)

There will always be the uneducated and the unmotivated not willing to put
in the time and hard work to make it happen for them. No President will be
able to change that.

JimH wrote:
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"JohnH" wrote in message
...

Oh woe is me.

That's for all y'all saying the economy is so bad. I wonder who's
buying
all these middle class homes? I wonder who's buying all the cars? I
wonder
who's getting all the jobs and promotions?
.

"Whaddaya mean, run out of buffalo? Whoever heard of such an idea? I
just saw a herd a couple of days ago. Must still be plenty left." Wm
Cody, 1891 (not, just for purposes of illustration)

I never said the economy was bad. What I did say was that more people
than ever before are able to buy $1mm boats, and that more people than
ever before are working without as basic a benefit as health insurance
and cannot individually afford the premiums to pay for it with after
tax dollars. Is either one of those statements untrue? No, both are
correct.


Business has never been better for most every industrial customer I see.

It has been going like an old chain saw over the past few years for
them..............revs up........sputters..........revs
up...........sputters.........

It has now been purring consistently for enough months for these plants to
be hiring new employees and putting on additional shifts. They have also
been ordering new durable goods (machinery) and expanding their buildings.
You don't do that with an uncertain economy or one which 'sputters'. ;-)

There will always be the uneducated and the unmotivated not willing to put
in the time and hard work to make it happen for them. No President will be
able to change that.


The change in the economic landscape transcends politics. If the D's
were in office right now, or if someother party not even invented yet
had the WH, things wouldn't be much different.

One reason that so many of the new boats being introduced are 35 feet
and larger and $350,000 and up is that seems to be where the market is.
Wally Lunchbucket, with his job at the widget plant paying enough to
drive two fairly new cars, pay off the mortgage on a cozy little tract
house, help out with the kids's college bills, and still afford a
decent boat for cruising or skiing is an endangered species- and for
reasons that have a lot to do with global economics, computerization,
and other issues that are not in the least bit political.

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JimH wrote:
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"JohnH" wrote in message
...

Oh woe is me.

That's for all y'all saying the economy is so bad. I wonder who's
buying
all these middle class homes? I wonder who's buying all the cars? I
wonder
who's getting all the jobs and promotions?
.

"Whaddaya mean, run out of buffalo? Whoever heard of such an idea? I
just saw a herd a couple of days ago. Must still be plenty left." Wm
Cody, 1891 (not, just for purposes of illustration)

I never said the economy was bad. What I did say was that more people
than ever before are able to buy $1mm boats, and that more people than
ever before are working without as basic a benefit as health insurance
and cannot individually afford the premiums to pay for it with after
tax dollars. Is either one of those statements untrue? No, both are
correct.


Business has never been better for most every industrial customer I see.

It has been going like an old chain saw over the past few years for
them..............revs up........sputters..........revs
up...........sputters.........

It has now been purring consistently for enough months for these plants
to
be hiring new employees and putting on additional shifts. They have also
been ordering new durable goods (machinery) and expanding their
buildings.
You don't do that with an uncertain economy or one which 'sputters'. ;-)

There will always be the uneducated and the unmotivated not willing to
put
in the time and hard work to make it happen for them. No President will
be
able to change that.


The change in the economic landscape transcends politics. If the D's
were in office right now, or if someother party not even invented yet
had the WH, things wouldn't be much different.


So you gave Clinton credit when the economy was good during a short time
when he was in office............... and now the story is different? ;-)

Is that how it goes?



One reason that so many of the new boats being introduced are 35 feet
and larger and $350,000 and up is that seems to be where the market is.
Wally Lunchbucket, with his job at the widget plant paying enough to
drive two fairly new cars, pay off the mortgage on a cozy little tract
house, help out with the kids's college bills, and still afford a
decent boat for cruising or skiing is an endangered species- and for
reasons that have a lot to do with global economics, computerization,
and other issues that are not in the least bit political.


Yet a previous post of yours showing statistics on Q1 2006 vs Q1 2005 boat
sales in your area showed that all but the 18 feet and under new boats were
selling good. Go figure. ;-)

On Mon, 1 May 2006 19:13:35 -0400, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
comREMOVETHIS wrote:

So you gave Clinton credit when the economy was good

Where did Chuck give Clinton credit? Anything to back up the claim?

during a short time
when he was in office

As presidents go, eight years is not a short time.

.............. and now the story is different? ;-)

Actually, the story is different now. The rich are getting richer,
the poor are getting poorer. There were tax breaks specifically
targeting the rich and they have had the desired effect. Our currency
is quickly being devalued and that does adversely effect the lower
class to a greater degree.

bb

On Tue, 02 May 2006 03:08:27 GMT, bb wrote:

On Mon, 1 May 2006 19:13:35 -0400, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
comREMOVETHIS wrote:

So you gave Clinton credit when the economy was good

Where did Chuck give Clinton credit? Anything to back up the claim?

during a short time
when he was in office

As presidents go, eight years is not a short time.

.............. and now the story is different? ;-)

Actually, the story is different now. The rich are getting richer,
the poor are getting poorer. There were tax breaks specifically
targeting the rich and they have had the desired effect. Our currency
is quickly being devalued and that does adversely effect the lower
class to a greater degree.

bb


Could the poor be getting poorer because they don't want to work? Hell,
we've got 10-15 million (depending on who is talking) illegal aliens who
came here and found jobs. If they *are* the poor you refer to, then it's
their own damn fault, and their poverty is certainly skewing the statistic.
--
'Til next time,

John H

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***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
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JohnH wrote:


Could the poor be getting poorer because they don't want to work? Hell,
we've got 10-15 million (depending on who is talking) illegal aliens who
came here and found jobs. If they *are* the poor you refer to, then it's
their own damn fault, and their poverty is certainly skewing the statistic.
--
'Til next time,

John H
******************************************

Did you know that most poor people do work? In some cases, much longer
and harder everyday than people who are well off. There is no direct
correlation between the amount of work one is willing to do and the
amount of money they can expect to make. Motel maids,
landscape laborers, food service workers, agricultural laborers, and
(increasingly) construction laborers are very hard working people who
cannot earn a living wage in a typical 8-9 hour shift.

Yes, they are competing with a lot of illegal immigrants. It's sad to
see how the politicos of both parties want to deal with that problem:
Catch the illegals after they've done some work and then deport them
back to Mexico. Where is the will to deport the darned employers who
pay less than minimum wage, and who pay under the table to avoid
contributing to the tax base that supports the social services people
not earning enough to buy food and shelter are going to need? The
employers who are given phony documents and don't find out from Social
Security for 5-6 months that Jose Rodriguez is not legally entitled to
work in this country may have some defense, but the guy who hands out 3
ten-dollar bills to a day laborer at the end of a shift and keeps no
other records has no excuse whatsoever.

On Tue, 02 May 2006 13:02:01 -0400, JohnH wrote:

Could the poor be getting poorer because they don't want to work?

I realize that demonizing the enemy; in this case, the working poor,
is a tried and true tactic that works in most cases. Lets give some
of them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they are not lazy
slobs who aren't willing to work.

Hell,
we've got 10-15 million (depending on who is talking) illegal aliens who
came here and found jobs.

And where did they come from? What are the working conditions, pay
scale, and health care issues in the countries they came from? Are
you suggesting workers in this country should have to compete on an
equal basis with the worst of the third world working conditions, just
because it happens to be in the best financial interest of large and
very wealthy US businesses? Can you really justify helping those
folks who make millions of dollars a year make even more millions,
when it hurts the working class of this country? Do you realize it's
the middle class that has made this country great, and special, and
the ideal of most of the world? Feeding the greed of the wealthy in
this country is a cause worthy of destroying what has made this
country what it is?


If they *are* the poor you refer to, then it's
their own damn fault, and their poverty is certainly skewing the statistic.

Yeah, it's their own damned fault they don't have billions of dollars
to funnel into the campaign funds of politicians so they can get
special privileges. It's their own damned fault they can't afford
decent health care because the health care lobbies have been able to
prevent health care reform in order to protect the massive profits.
It's their own damned fault the oil companies have a free hand to
write federal energy policy to protect their profits. It's their own
damned fault the environmental laws have been watered down to the
point of being useless in order to increase the profits of the
corporations. It's their own damned fault the federal reserve has
flooded the market with liquidity to the point of making our currency
almost worthless.

Do you have any values that benefit anyone beyond your immediate
family?

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"JohnH" wrote in message
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Oh woe is me.

That's for all y'all saying the economy is so bad. I wonder who's buying
all these middle class homes? I wonder who's buying all the cars? I wonder
who's getting all the jobs and promotions?

.

"Whaddaya mean, run out of buffalo? Whoever heard of such an idea? I
just saw a herd a couple of days ago. Must still be plenty left." Wm
Cody, 1891 (not, just for purposes of illustration)

I never said the economy was bad. What I did say was that more people
than ever before are able to buy $1mm boats, and that more people than
ever before are working without as basic a benefit as health insurance
and cannot individually afford the premiums to pay for it with after
tax dollars. Is either one of those statements untrue? No, both are
correct.


Chuck...
Did you see the latest episode of Smart Traveller/pacific Rim with Rudy
Maxa on PBS?
http://www.kcts.org/inside/news/release_189.htm

Seattle looked beautiful... Sunny, sparkling...not a drop of rain or
fog. Lots of interesting sites and activities. next time i get out
west I'm gonna drop in for a visit.
Tonight I believe it's Vancouver &7 Victoria

Don White wrote:

Chuck...
Did you see the latest episode of Smart Traveller/pacific Rim with Rudy
Maxa on PBS?
http://www.kcts.org/inside/news/release_189.htm

Seattle looked beautiful... Sunny, sparkling...not a drop of rain or
fog.

Photoshop. Every 4-5 years when we get more than one sunny day in row,
The Chamber of Commerce shoots miles and miles of film and then gives
it away to anybody hoping to make a movie about Seattle. :-)

Please don't blow a hole in our best defense with scandalous rumors
about good weather.