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We need another Michael Moore movie! You know what's terribly sad? The fact that in today's society we now differentiate between "misrepresenting, spinning wildly, and omitting pertinent facts" and actual lying. No judgement on you as an individual intended- just a general social observation. The lying -- and there was plenty of it -- was by-and-large done by their followers, and others who didn't like Kerry . . . . those people didn't seem to go any further than reading Unfit for Command, and then assumed all they needed to know was in that book. Doug Reese 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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#23
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wrote: wrote: JohnH wrote: On 26 Apr 2006 09:12:04 -0700, " wrote: Harry Krause wrote: wrote: Doug Kanter wrote: http://images.washtimes.com/photos/f...21604-1969.jpg YEA!!!!!!!!!! Hillary is fine by me, but I think Mark Warner of Virginia will be the nominee, and the next president Hillary will never be POTUS. Her job right now is to look lke she *might* run and draw all the acrimonious sneers, jeers, and vicious hate speech away from the real prospects. Following the incredible success of the Swift Boat lies in 2004, the groundwork is already being laid for a re-run of that tactic should she contend for POTUS in '08. It's one heck of a heavy hammer for the RW- how does anybody prove they're *not* gay? You have to believe that maybe the sister of the doctor who claimed he treated Kerry's Purple Heart wounds (but whose name appears nowhere in the Navy medical records) will step forward and claim that she slept with Hillary at Wellesley. By the time the story is debunked, (or not?), the damage will have been done. Even if she were the best candidate, (she's not), she cannot be elected in the current political and social climate. http://www.newyorker.com/talk/conten...a_talk_remnick The Swift Boat folks weren't lying. Enough politics for today. This isn't about politics. It's about the truth. For the most part, the Swift Boat Veterans for "truth" didn't lie. They did, however, misrepresent, spin wildly, and omit pertinent facts when it suited them. The end result was less than the whole truth, regarding a variety of incidents involving Kerry. You know what's terribly sad? The fact that in today's society we now differentiate between "misrepresenting, spinning wildly, and omitting pertinent facts" and actual lying. No judgement on you as an individual intended- just a general social observation. Point taken. The reason I differentiate is because if I don't, I get called on it. "Show me one lie" is what they have said. Bottom line is that the book is a dishonest, shameful smear of Kerry, and those who were close to him. It avoids the truth at every turn. And the wedge that has been driven between many VN vets by a few spiteful men, is, well, pititful. . . . just pitiful. Doug Reese The lying -- and there was plenty of it -- was by-and-large done by their followers, and others who didn't like Kerry . . . . those people didn't seem to go any further than reading Unfit for Command, and then assumed all they needed to know was in that book. Doug Reese 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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On 26 Apr 2006 17:26:00 -0700, "
wrote: wrote: JohnH wrote: On 26 Apr 2006 09:12:04 -0700, " wrote: Harry Krause wrote: wrote: Doug Kanter wrote: http://images.washtimes.com/photos/f...21604-1969.jpg YEA!!!!!!!!!! Hillary is fine by me, but I think Mark Warner of Virginia will be the nominee, and the next president Hillary will never be POTUS. Her job right now is to look lke she *might* run and draw all the acrimonious sneers, jeers, and vicious hate speech away from the real prospects. Following the incredible success of the Swift Boat lies in 2004, the groundwork is already being laid for a re-run of that tactic should she contend for POTUS in '08. It's one heck of a heavy hammer for the RW- how does anybody prove they're *not* gay? You have to believe that maybe the sister of the doctor who claimed he treated Kerry's Purple Heart wounds (but whose name appears nowhere in the Navy medical records) will step forward and claim that she slept with Hillary at Wellesley. By the time the story is debunked, (or not?), the damage will have been done. Even if she were the best candidate, (she's not), she cannot be elected in the current political and social climate. http://www.newyorker.com/talk/conten...a_talk_remnick The Swift Boat folks weren't lying. Enough politics for today. This isn't about politics. It's about the truth. For the most part, the Swift Boat Veterans for "truth" didn't lie. They did, however, misrepresent, spin wildly, and omit pertinent facts when it suited them. The end result was less than the whole truth, regarding a variety of incidents involving Kerry. You know what's terribly sad? The fact that in today's society we now differentiate between "misrepresenting, spinning wildly, and omitting pertinent facts" and actual lying. They didn't do that either. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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On 26 Apr 2006 18:10:27 -0700, wrote:
wrote: wrote: JohnH wrote: On 26 Apr 2006 09:12:04 -0700, " wrote: Harry Krause wrote: wrote: Doug Kanter wrote: http://images.washtimes.com/photos/f...21604-1969.jpg YEA!!!!!!!!!! Hillary is fine by me, but I think Mark Warner of Virginia will be the nominee, and the next president Hillary will never be POTUS. Her job right now is to look lke she *might* run and draw all the acrimonious sneers, jeers, and vicious hate speech away from the real prospects. Following the incredible success of the Swift Boat lies in 2004, the groundwork is already being laid for a re-run of that tactic should she contend for POTUS in '08. It's one heck of a heavy hammer for the RW- how does anybody prove they're *not* gay? You have to believe that maybe the sister of the doctor who claimed he treated Kerry's Purple Heart wounds (but whose name appears nowhere in the Navy medical records) will step forward and claim that she slept with Hillary at Wellesley. By the time the story is debunked, (or not?), the damage will have been done. Even if she were the best candidate, (she's not), she cannot be elected in the current political and social climate. http://www.newyorker.com/talk/conten...a_talk_remnick The Swift Boat folks weren't lying. Enough politics for today. This isn't about politics. It's about the truth. For the most part, the Swift Boat Veterans for "truth" didn't lie. They did, however, misrepresent, spin wildly, and omit pertinent facts when it suited them. The end result was less than the whole truth, regarding a variety of incidents involving Kerry. You know what's terribly sad? The fact that in today's society we now differentiate between "misrepresenting, spinning wildly, and omitting pertinent facts" and actual lying. No judgement on you as an individual intended- just a general social observation. Point taken. The reason I differentiate is because if I don't, I get called on it. "Show me one lie" is what they have said. Bottom line is that the book is a dishonest, shameful smear of Kerry, and those who were close to him. It avoids the truth at every turn. And the wedge that has been driven between many VN vets by a few spiteful men, is, well, pititful. . . . just pitiful. In my 'VN vet' opinion, Kerry and Fonda can stand on the same pedestal. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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"JohnH" wrote in message
... And the wedge that has been driven between many VN vets by a few spiteful men, is, well, pititful. . . . just pitiful. In my 'VN vet' opinion, Kerry and Fonda can stand on the same pedestal. John H That "met with the enemy" idea is kinda weird, John. The North Vietnamese weren't our enemy until a bunch of suits (who you'd probably have very little respect for, and who quietly vanished from public life) came up with the domino theory. If I move next store to you, and stop by & say "Hi. You're my enemy, although I know you've done absolutely nothing to me", you'd think I was out of my mind. But, that's exactly what we did in VN. |
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JohnH wrote: On 26 Apr 2006 17:26:00 -0700, " wrote: wrote: JohnH wrote: On 26 Apr 2006 09:12:04 -0700, " wrote: Harry Krause wrote: wrote: Doug Kanter wrote: http://images.washtimes.com/photos/f...21604-1969.jpg YEA!!!!!!!!!! Hillary is fine by me, but I think Mark Warner of Virginia will be the nominee, and the next president Hillary will never be POTUS. Her job right now is to look lke she *might* run and draw all the acrimonious sneers, jeers, and vicious hate speech away from the real prospects. Following the incredible success of the Swift Boat lies in 2004, the groundwork is already being laid for a re-run of that tactic should she contend for POTUS in '08. It's one heck of a heavy hammer for the RW- how does anybody prove they're *not* gay? You have to believe that maybe the sister of the doctor who claimed he treated Kerry's Purple Heart wounds (but whose name appears nowhere in the Navy medical records) will step forward and claim that she slept with Hillary at Wellesley. By the time the story is debunked, (or not?), the damage will have been done. Even if she were the best candidate, (she's not), she cannot be elected in the current political and social climate. http://www.newyorker.com/talk/conten...a_talk_remnick The Swift Boat folks weren't lying. Enough politics for today. This isn't about politics. It's about the truth. For the most part, the Swift Boat Veterans for "truth" didn't lie. They did, however, misrepresent, spin wildly, and omit pertinent facts when it suited them. The end result was less than the whole truth, regarding a variety of incidents involving Kerry. You know what's terribly sad? The fact that in today's society we now differentiate between "misrepresenting, spinning wildly, and omitting pertinent facts" and actual lying. They didn't do that either. They did it left and right, John, they did it left and right. Not an opinion, but a matter of fact. That's if you care about facts . .. . . Doug Reese 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:04:49 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message .. . And the wedge that has been driven between many VN vets by a few spiteful men, is, well, pititful. . . . just pitiful. In my 'VN vet' opinion, Kerry and Fonda can stand on the same pedestal. John H That "met with the enemy" idea is kinda weird, John. The North Vietnamese weren't our enemy until a bunch of suits (who you'd probably have very little respect for, and who quietly vanished from public life) came up with the domino theory. If I move next store to you, and stop by & say "Hi. You're my enemy, although I know you've done absolutely nothing to me", you'd think I was out of my mind. But, that's exactly what we did in VN. I've said nothing about agreeing or disagreeing with the VN war. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:04:49 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message . .. And the wedge that has been driven between many VN vets by a few spiteful men, is, well, pititful. . . . just pitiful. In my 'VN vet' opinion, Kerry and Fonda can stand on the same pedestal. John H That "met with the enemy" idea is kinda weird, John. The North Vietnamese weren't our enemy until a bunch of suits (who you'd probably have very little respect for, and who quietly vanished from public life) came up with the domino theory. If I move next store to you, and stop by & say "Hi. You're my enemy, although I know you've done absolutely nothing to me", you'd think I was out of my mind. But, that's exactly what we did in VN. I've said nothing about agreeing or disagreeing with the VN war. John H Well, you said you consider Kerry & Fonda to be in the same category. The standard reason we hear is that Fonda met with the enemy. Is that correct? |
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On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:57:45 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:04:49 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... And the wedge that has been driven between many VN vets by a few spiteful men, is, well, pititful. . . . just pitiful. In my 'VN vet' opinion, Kerry and Fonda can stand on the same pedestal. John H That "met with the enemy" idea is kinda weird, John. The North Vietnamese weren't our enemy until a bunch of suits (who you'd probably have very little respect for, and who quietly vanished from public life) came up with the domino theory. If I move next store to you, and stop by & say "Hi. You're my enemy, although I know you've done absolutely nothing to me", you'd think I was out of my mind. But, that's exactly what we did in VN. I've said nothing about agreeing or disagreeing with the VN war. John H Well, you said you consider Kerry & Fonda to be in the same category. The standard reason we hear is that Fonda met with the enemy. Is that correct? Perhaps 'pretended to shoot down American aircraft' would be more appropriate than 'met'. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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