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On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 22:43:59 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:23:34 -0400, "RCE" wrote: " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:48:39 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:58 GMT, Don White wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: What's the French Battle Cry? WE SURRENDER!!! http://tinyurl.com/ewtvo At least in France, you can smoke a cigar with your coffee and donuts and non-smokers are put where they belong - in the rear of the place near the kitchen door. :) Much more civilized here. We toss the smokers out on the street. You see them all winter, pathetically huddling on the sidewalk in front of major federal buildings drawing on their precious cigarettes. I've even seen patients out there dressed in the thin blue cotton robes and clutching their medical hardware. I don't smoke cigarettes... I am a civilized smoker - cigars - finest kind - Cuban cheroots... There's a difference. *Then again, you probably wear seatbelts...* :) It's the law..to wear seatbelts up here! Let's see now.....I abide by the law of the land by wearing seatbelts.......... You smoke Cuban cigars...which I believe is still against the law stateside???? mmmmmm! Probably do not speed either. I believe in seatbelts, as I used to race cars and walked away from a couple of majestic crashes. I don't believe in seatbelts and here's why. Eleven years ago now, I was rear ended by a flat nosed GMC delivery truck. He hit me so hard that my right shoulder was broken (the one that was recently fixed), my right hip was fractured in place - all by the seat belts and my left shoulder was dislocated. A fire started at the rear of the car and I couldn't get out - I could smell the fire and was conscious enough to try and get out but I couldn't move my arms. All I remember was somebody stopping and fortunately, much like me I might add, had a bottle fire extinguisher, got the fire out and after that I don't remember anything except for waking up in the UMASS ER. If somebody hadn't been prepared for a real emergency, I would have been a cripsy critter. I had to be cut out of the seatbelts I was told later. In my years as a volunteer Paramedic, I've seen really bad accidents where no seat belts were worn and nary an injury except for bumps and bruises. I've also seen as many with seat belts and nifty things like torn aortas, various broken bones, split spleens, etc. There is a big difference between a four/six point, tightly cinched racing safety harness and a shoulder harness in a private car. Don't get me started on air bags. That may be your experience Tom but far more meaningful statistic show otherwise. ;-) To use or not to use seatbelts should be a voluntary, individual choice, not mandated by law. RCE Some laws are written to protect the insane, e.g. helmet laws for motorcyclists. Without the law, some fools would actually ride without a helmet! -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** \ And also used to raise money. Buddies stopped at a diner in Oregon. Realized they could not see the bikes from the window. Moved them 200' to the other side of the building via the public street. TICKET as they did not put on the helmets. Tell me that is not just to raise money for the state? That one sounds extreme. Maybe it was 'really' the loud pipes? -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:41:07 -0400, "RCE" wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net... \ And also used to raise money. Buddies stopped at a diner in Oregon. Realized they could not see the bikes from the window. Moved them 200' to the other side of the building via the public street. TICKET as they did not put on the helmets. Tell me that is not just to raise money for the state? Like seat belts, I think wearing helmets on motorcycles should be encouraged but not mandatory by law, with the decision made by the individual. Motorcycle helmet laws originated with the federal government in 1967. States were pressured to enact helmet laws or risk becoming ineligible for certain federal safety program and highway construction funds. By 1975 all but three states had helmet laws. Congress voted to remove the federal pressure in 1978 and since then more than half of the states have eliminated universal helmet use requirements. Currently, 21 states have universal helmet use requirements. Several others have helmet requirements for riders and passengers in the 17-20 year old age group. Interesting. I use seat belts sometimes when I think I should and I wear a helmet when riding if the state I am in requires it, or otherwise I think I should. There are many times when, depending on where I am driving or riding and how I am driving or riding that I don't wear either. RCE As a former MSF instructor, I'd have to say I think you're wrong, but it's your head. I'd tell my students to put on a helmet and have a friend hit them upside the head with a baseball bat. Then they should take off the helmet and have the friend repeat the process. If the students couldn't tell the difference, then they didn't need a helmet. :) -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 22:53:44 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote: On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 22:34:49 GMT, Don White wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: snip.. Neither would I, but can you honestly say that you would have been better off with a ruptured spleen, a torn aorta or your pelvis crushed such that the femoral arteries are occluded that you lose your legs. We had an accident here in Woodstock when I was still on the Rescue Squad - relatively high speed (45), head on a 90 degree curve - two occupants of one car were thrown clear - injured seriously, but alive. The driver of the other car, with her seatbelt on, deader than a doornail. The cause? Alcohol. I propose that life in prison for the drunk driver would be acceptable for murdering the other occupant. I'm not much of a gambler. I'd only want to bet when the odds were overwhelming in my favour. I'll take the sure bet and buckle up. I'd bet the odds of you dying as a result of that highway accident from incidental damages would be higher than without. I disagree with your seatbelt stance, but I strongly agree with your alcohol stance. I've two brothers who are retired cops. Neither would get in a car without fastening the seat belt. Both have been involved in hundreds of accident investigations. For me, four and a half years in Europe (where the law is enforced!) made it habit forming. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message . .. "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:23:34 -0400, "RCE" wrote: " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:48:39 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:58 GMT, Don White wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: What's the French Battle Cry? WE SURRENDER!!! http://tinyurl.com/ewtvo At least in France, you can smoke a cigar with your coffee and donuts and non-smokers are put where they belong - in the rear of the place near the kitchen door. :) Much more civilized here. We toss the smokers out on the street. You see them all winter, pathetically huddling on the sidewalk in front of major federal buildings drawing on their precious cigarettes. I've even seen patients out there dressed in the thin blue cotton robes and clutching their medical hardware. I don't smoke cigarettes... I am a civilized smoker - cigars - finest kind - Cuban cheroots... There's a difference. *Then again, you probably wear seatbelts...* :) It's the law..to wear seatbelts up here! Let's see now.....I abide by the law of the land by wearing seatbelts.......... You smoke Cuban cigars...which I believe is still against the law stateside???? mmmmmm! Probably do not speed either. I believe in seatbelts, as I used to race cars and walked away from a couple of majestic crashes. I don't believe in seatbelts and here's why. Eleven years ago now, I was rear ended by a flat nosed GMC delivery truck. He hit me so hard that my right shoulder was broken (the one that was recently fixed), my right hip was fractured in place - all by the seat belts and my left shoulder was dislocated. A fire started at the rear of the car and I couldn't get out - I could smell the fire and was conscious enough to try and get out but I couldn't move my arms. All I remember was somebody stopping and fortunately, much like me I might add, had a bottle fire extinguisher, got the fire out and after that I don't remember anything except for waking up in the UMASS ER. If somebody hadn't been prepared for a real emergency, I would have been a cripsy critter. I had to be cut out of the seatbelts I was told later. In my years as a volunteer Paramedic, I've seen really bad accidents where no seat belts were worn and nary an injury except for bumps and bruises. I've also seen as many with seat belts and nifty things like torn aortas, various broken bones, split spleens, etc. There is a big difference between a four/six point, tightly cinched racing safety harness and a shoulder harness in a private car. Don't get me started on air bags. That may be your experience Tom but far more meaningful statistic show otherwise. ;-) To use or not to use seatbelts should be a voluntary, individual choice, not mandated by law. RCE Some laws are written to protect the insane, e.g. helmet laws for motorcyclists. Without the law, some fools would actually ride without a helmet! -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** \ And also used to raise money. Buddies stopped at a diner in Oregon. Realized they could not see the bikes from the window. Moved them 200' to the other side of the building via the public street. TICKET as they did not put on the helmets. Tell me that is not just to raise money for the state? Another anecdotal piece of *evidence*. Some folks were fishing from a boat and were drinking Pepsi. They stopped at a waterfront cafe to have dinner docked the boat. They had 4 beers during dinner and realized they could not see their boat while at the table. One of them decided to move the boat closer and was stopped by a local officer for a sobriety test after hitting the boat in front of him. He was ticketed for DWI. Tell me that was not just to raise money for the State..............;-) He hit a boat. Drastic difference than moving your bikes from one side of a diner to the other side. In Calif, it is $371 minimum for using a car pool lane when less than the required number in the car, or you are not using an electric car. You think that is not for money? |
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On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:48:39 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:58 GMT, Don White wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: What's the French Battle Cry? WE SURRENDER!!! http://tinyurl.com/ewtvo At least in France, you can smoke a cigar with your coffee and donuts and non-smokers are put where they belong - in the rear of the place near the kitchen door. :) Much more civilized here. We toss the smokers out on the street. You see them all winter, pathetically huddling on the sidewalk in front of major federal buildings drawing on their precious cigarettes. I've even seen patients out there dressed in the thin blue cotton robes and clutching their medical hardware. I don't smoke cigarettes... I am a civilized smoker - cigars - finest kind - Cuban cheroots... There's a difference. *Then again, you probably wear seatbelts...* :) It's the law..to wear seatbelts up here! Let's see now.....I abide by the law of the land by wearing seatbelts.......... You smoke Cuban cigars...which I believe is still against the law stateside???? mmmmmm! Probably do not speed either. I believe in seatbelts, as I used to race cars and walked away from a couple of majestic crashes. I don't believe in seatbelts and here's why. Eleven years ago now, I was rear ended by a flat nosed GMC delivery truck. He hit me so hard that my right shoulder was broken (the one that was recently fixed), my right hip was fractured in place - all by the seat belts and my left shoulder was dislocated. A fire started at the rear of the car and I couldn't get out - I could smell the fire and was conscious enough to try and get out but I couldn't move my arms. All I remember was somebody stopping and fortunately, much like me I might add, had a bottle fire extinguisher, got the fire out and after that I don't remember anything except for waking up in the UMASS ER. If somebody hadn't been prepared for a real emergency, I would have been a cripsy critter. I had to be cut out of the seatbelts I was told later. In my years as a volunteer Paramedic, I've seen really bad accidents where no seat belts were worn and nary an injury except for bumps and bruises. I've also seen as many with seat belts and nifty things like torn aortas, various broken bones, split spleens, etc. There is a big difference between a four/six point, tightly cinched racing safety harness and a shoulder harness in a private car. Don't get me started on air bags. Why Tom is an idiot??? (apart from supporting E-Tec) I suggest an idiot who just makes this stuff up as he goes along?? At least the Krause liar tries to google enough to look like he might be telling the truth, he never is of course but............. :-) Hurry back & drive carefully Tom I'll miss saving your posts for you:-) K |
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"RCE" wrote in message ... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "RCE" wrote in message ... "JohnH" wrote in message ... Some laws are written to protect the insane, e.g. helmet laws for motorcyclists. Without the law, some fools would actually ride without a helmet! -- Far fewer states require helmets for motorcyclists than those that require seat belt use. RCE Do you wear leather when you ride? Only on the very few occasions that I ride when it's 60 degrees or colder. Used to do more cold weather riding, but not much anymore. In really hot weather, like in Florida, I often wear shorts and a tee-shirt. And no helmet. RCE |
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On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 04:12:12 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote: " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:23:34 -0400, "RCE" wrote: " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:48:39 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:58 GMT, Don White wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: What's the French Battle Cry? WE SURRENDER!!! http://tinyurl.com/ewtvo At least in France, you can smoke a cigar with your coffee and donuts and non-smokers are put where they belong - in the rear of the place near the kitchen door. :) Much more civilized here. We toss the smokers out on the street. You see them all winter, pathetically huddling on the sidewalk in front of major federal buildings drawing on their precious cigarettes. I've even seen patients out there dressed in the thin blue cotton robes and clutching their medical hardware. I don't smoke cigarettes... I am a civilized smoker - cigars - finest kind - Cuban cheroots... There's a difference. *Then again, you probably wear seatbelts...* :) It's the law..to wear seatbelts up here! Let's see now.....I abide by the law of the land by wearing seatbelts.......... You smoke Cuban cigars...which I believe is still against the law stateside???? mmmmmm! Probably do not speed either. I believe in seatbelts, as I used to race cars and walked away from a couple of majestic crashes. I don't believe in seatbelts and here's why. Eleven years ago now, I was rear ended by a flat nosed GMC delivery truck. He hit me so hard that my right shoulder was broken (the one that was recently fixed), my right hip was fractured in place - all by the seat belts and my left shoulder was dislocated. A fire started at the rear of the car and I couldn't get out - I could smell the fire and was conscious enough to try and get out but I couldn't move my arms. All I remember was somebody stopping and fortunately, much like me I might add, had a bottle fire extinguisher, got the fire out and after that I don't remember anything except for waking up in the UMASS ER. If somebody hadn't been prepared for a real emergency, I would have been a cripsy critter. I had to be cut out of the seatbelts I was told later. In my years as a volunteer Paramedic, I've seen really bad accidents where no seat belts were worn and nary an injury except for bumps and bruises. I've also seen as many with seat belts and nifty things like torn aortas, various broken bones, split spleens, etc. There is a big difference between a four/six point, tightly cinched racing safety harness and a shoulder harness in a private car. Don't get me started on air bags. That may be your experience Tom but far more meaningful statistic show otherwise. ;-) To use or not to use seatbelts should be a voluntary, individual choice, not mandated by law. RCE Some laws are written to protect the insane, e.g. helmet laws for motorcyclists. Without the law, some fools would actually ride without a helmet! -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** \ And also used to raise money. Buddies stopped at a diner in Oregon. Realized they could not see the bikes from the window. Moved them 200' to the other side of the building via the public street. TICKET as they did not put on the helmets. Tell me that is not just to raise money for the state? Another anecdotal piece of *evidence*. Some folks were fishing from a boat and were drinking Pepsi. They stopped at a waterfront cafe to have dinner docked the boat. They had 4 beers during dinner and realized they could not see their boat while at the table. One of them decided to move the boat closer and was stopped by a local officer for a sobriety test after hitting the boat in front of him. He was ticketed for DWI. Tell me that was not just to raise money for the State..............;-) He hit a boat. Drastic difference than moving your bikes from one side of a diner to the other side. In Calif, it is $371 minimum for using a car pool lane when less than the required number in the car, or you are not using an electric car. You think that is not for money? Bill, I think the purpose is to keep the a$$holes out of the HOV lanes when not HO'd. Personally, I wish they'd raise the fine to at least $1000 for the first offense. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message . .. "Calif Bill" wrote in message thlink.net... "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:23:34 -0400, "RCE" wrote: " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message news:upfi42pl2v3m1evo576ig24un6ie9i9pid@4ax. com... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:48:39 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:58 GMT, Don White wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: What's the French Battle Cry? WE SURRENDER!!! http://tinyurl.com/ewtvo At least in France, you can smoke a cigar with your coffee and donuts and non-smokers are put where they belong - in the rear of the place near the kitchen door. :) Much more civilized here. We toss the smokers out on the street. You see them all winter, pathetically huddling on the sidewalk in front of major federal buildings drawing on their precious cigarettes. I've even seen patients out there dressed in the thin blue cotton robes and clutching their medical hardware. I don't smoke cigarettes... I am a civilized smoker - cigars - finest kind - Cuban cheroots... There's a difference. *Then again, you probably wear seatbelts...* :) It's the law..to wear seatbelts up here! Let's see now.....I abide by the law of the land by wearing seatbelts.......... You smoke Cuban cigars...which I believe is still against the law stateside???? mmmmmm! Probably do not speed either. I believe in seatbelts, as I used to race cars and walked away from a couple of majestic crashes. I don't believe in seatbelts and here's why. Eleven years ago now, I was rear ended by a flat nosed GMC delivery truck. He hit me so hard that my right shoulder was broken (the one that was recently fixed), my right hip was fractured in place - all by the seat belts and my left shoulder was dislocated. A fire started at the rear of the car and I couldn't get out - I could smell the fire and was conscious enough to try and get out but I couldn't move my arms. All I remember was somebody stopping and fortunately, much like me I might add, had a bottle fire extinguisher, got the fire out and after that I don't remember anything except for waking up in the UMASS ER. If somebody hadn't been prepared for a real emergency, I would have been a cripsy critter. I had to be cut out of the seatbelts I was told later. In my years as a volunteer Paramedic, I've seen really bad accidents where no seat belts were worn and nary an injury except for bumps and bruises. I've also seen as many with seat belts and nifty things like torn aortas, various broken bones, split spleens, etc. There is a big difference between a four/six point, tightly cinched racing safety harness and a shoulder harness in a private car. Don't get me started on air bags. That may be your experience Tom but far more meaningful statistic show otherwise. ;-) To use or not to use seatbelts should be a voluntary, individual choice, not mandated by law. RCE Some laws are written to protect the insane, e.g. helmet laws for motorcyclists. Without the law, some fools would actually ride without a helmet! -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** \ And also used to raise money. Buddies stopped at a diner in Oregon. Realized they could not see the bikes from the window. Moved them 200' to the other side of the building via the public street. TICKET as they did not put on the helmets. Tell me that is not just to raise money for the state? Another anecdotal piece of *evidence*. Some folks were fishing from a boat and were drinking Pepsi. They stopped at a waterfront cafe to have dinner docked the boat. They had 4 beers during dinner and realized they could not see their boat while at the table. One of them decided to move the boat closer and was stopped by a local officer for a sobriety test after hitting the boat in front of him. He was ticketed for DWI. Tell me that was not just to raise money for the State..............;-) He hit a boat. Drastic difference than moving your bikes from one side of a diner to the other side. In Calif, it is $371 minimum for using a car pool lane when less than the required number in the car, or you are not using an electric car. You think that is not for money? Maybe a lot of people in California need to be slapped upside the head before they'll obey traffic laws. |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 04:12:12 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message m... "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:23:34 -0400, "RCE" wrote: " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:48:39 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:58 GMT, Don White wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: What's the French Battle Cry? WE SURRENDER!!! http://tinyurl.com/ewtvo At least in France, you can smoke a cigar with your coffee and donuts and non-smokers are put where they belong - in the rear of the place near the kitchen door. :) Much more civilized here. We toss the smokers out on the street. You see them all winter, pathetically huddling on the sidewalk in front of major federal buildings drawing on their precious cigarettes. I've even seen patients out there dressed in the thin blue cotton robes and clutching their medical hardware. I don't smoke cigarettes... I am a civilized smoker - cigars - finest kind - Cuban cheroots... There's a difference. *Then again, you probably wear seatbelts...* :) It's the law..to wear seatbelts up here! Let's see now.....I abide by the law of the land by wearing seatbelts.......... You smoke Cuban cigars...which I believe is still against the law stateside???? mmmmmm! Probably do not speed either. I believe in seatbelts, as I used to race cars and walked away from a couple of majestic crashes. I don't believe in seatbelts and here's why. Eleven years ago now, I was rear ended by a flat nosed GMC delivery truck. He hit me so hard that my right shoulder was broken (the one that was recently fixed), my right hip was fractured in place - all by the seat belts and my left shoulder was dislocated. A fire started at the rear of the car and I couldn't get out - I could smell the fire and was conscious enough to try and get out but I couldn't move my arms. All I remember was somebody stopping and fortunately, much like me I might add, had a bottle fire extinguisher, got the fire out and after that I don't remember anything except for waking up in the UMASS ER. If somebody hadn't been prepared for a real emergency, I would have been a cripsy critter. I had to be cut out of the seatbelts I was told later. In my years as a volunteer Paramedic, I've seen really bad accidents where no seat belts were worn and nary an injury except for bumps and bruises. I've also seen as many with seat belts and nifty things like torn aortas, various broken bones, split spleens, etc. There is a big difference between a four/six point, tightly cinched racing safety harness and a shoulder harness in a private car. Don't get me started on air bags. That may be your experience Tom but far more meaningful statistic show otherwise. ;-) To use or not to use seatbelts should be a voluntary, individual choice, not mandated by law. RCE Some laws are written to protect the insane, e.g. helmet laws for motorcyclists. Without the law, some fools would actually ride without a helmet! -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** \ And also used to raise money. Buddies stopped at a diner in Oregon. Realized they could not see the bikes from the window. Moved them 200' to the other side of the building via the public street. TICKET as they did not put on the helmets. Tell me that is not just to raise money for the state? Another anecdotal piece of *evidence*. Some folks were fishing from a boat and were drinking Pepsi. They stopped at a waterfront cafe to have dinner docked the boat. They had 4 beers during dinner and realized they could not see their boat while at the table. One of them decided to move the boat closer and was stopped by a local officer for a sobriety test after hitting the boat in front of him. He was ticketed for DWI. Tell me that was not just to raise money for the State..............;-) He hit a boat. Drastic difference than moving your bikes from one side of a diner to the other side. In Calif, it is $371 minimum for using a car pool lane when less than the required number in the car, or you are not using an electric car. You think that is not for money? Bill, I think the purpose is to keep the a$$holes out of the HOV lanes when not HO'd. Personally, I wish they'd raise the fine to at least $1000 for the first offense. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** They should eliminate HOV lanes!!!!! They are a pox on society and energy. Take 25-33% of the roadway and reserve it for 5% of the cars. Why is there huge traffic jams still at 9:59am and at 10:01 am they are gone? You just opened up the total roadway for all the people. How many people car pool people actually car pool because of HOV lanes? The lady taking her kids to school qualifies, but she is going to have multiple people in the car anyway. Is a a feel good thing by people who hate cars and people. Those same people that want to require a bike lane on the the new San Francisco - Oakland Bay Bridge. Spend $400 million so a few can ride their bike to work. Instead of a rack on the bus? |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message . .. "Calif Bill" wrote in message rthlink.net... "JohnH" wrote in message m... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:23:34 -0400, "RCE" wrote: " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message news:upfi42pl2v3m1evo576ig24un6ie9i9pid@4ax .com... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:48:39 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:58 GMT, Don White wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: What's the French Battle Cry? WE SURRENDER!!! http://tinyurl.com/ewtvo At least in France, you can smoke a cigar with your coffee and donuts and non-smokers are put where they belong - in the rear of the place near the kitchen door. :) Much more civilized here. We toss the smokers out on the street. You see them all winter, pathetically huddling on the sidewalk in front of major federal buildings drawing on their precious cigarettes. I've even seen patients out there dressed in the thin blue cotton robes and clutching their medical hardware. I don't smoke cigarettes... I am a civilized smoker - cigars - finest kind - Cuban cheroots... There's a difference. *Then again, you probably wear seatbelts...* :) It's the law..to wear seatbelts up here! Let's see now.....I abide by the law of the land by wearing seatbelts.......... You smoke Cuban cigars...which I believe is still against the law stateside???? mmmmmm! Probably do not speed either. I believe in seatbelts, as I used to race cars and walked away from a couple of majestic crashes. I don't believe in seatbelts and here's why. Eleven years ago now, I was rear ended by a flat nosed GMC delivery truck. He hit me so hard that my right shoulder was broken (the one that was recently fixed), my right hip was fractured in place - all by the seat belts and my left shoulder was dislocated. A fire started at the rear of the car and I couldn't get out - I could smell the fire and was conscious enough to try and get out but I couldn't move my arms. All I remember was somebody stopping and fortunately, much like me I might add, had a bottle fire extinguisher, got the fire out and after that I don't remember anything except for waking up in the UMASS ER. If somebody hadn't been prepared for a real emergency, I would have been a cripsy critter. I had to be cut out of the seatbelts I was told later. In my years as a volunteer Paramedic, I've seen really bad accidents where no seat belts were worn and nary an injury except for bumps and bruises. I've also seen as many with seat belts and nifty things like torn aortas, various broken bones, split spleens, etc. There is a big difference between a four/six point, tightly cinched racing safety harness and a shoulder harness in a private car. Don't get me started on air bags. That may be your experience Tom but far more meaningful statistic show otherwise. ;-) To use or not to use seatbelts should be a voluntary, individual choice, not mandated by law. RCE Some laws are written to protect the insane, e.g. helmet laws for motorcyclists. Without the law, some fools would actually ride without a helmet! -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** \ And also used to raise money. Buddies stopped at a diner in Oregon. Realized they could not see the bikes from the window. Moved them 200' to the other side of the building via the public street. TICKET as they did not put on the helmets. Tell me that is not just to raise money for the state? Another anecdotal piece of *evidence*. Some folks were fishing from a boat and were drinking Pepsi. They stopped at a waterfront cafe to have dinner docked the boat. They had 4 beers during dinner and realized they could not see their boat while at the table. One of them decided to move the boat closer and was stopped by a local officer for a sobriety test after hitting the boat in front of him. He was ticketed for DWI. Tell me that was not just to raise money for the State..............;-) He hit a boat. Drastic difference than moving your bikes from one side of a diner to the other side. In Calif, it is $371 minimum for using a car pool lane when less than the required number in the car, or you are not using an electric car. You think that is not for money? Maybe a lot of people in California need to be slapped upside the head before they'll obey traffic laws. You obey all laws? Ever speed? The question is even if a HOV lane is warranted most places. |
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