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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
What's the French Battle Cry? WE SURRENDER!!! http://tinyurl.com/ewtvo At least in France, you can smoke a cigar with your coffee and donuts and non-smokers are put where they belong - in the rear of the place near the kitchen door. :) Much more civilized here. We toss the smokers out on the street. You see them all winter, pathetically huddling on the sidewalk in front of major federal buildings drawing on their precious cigarettes. I've even seen patients out there dressed in the thin blue cotton robes and clutching their medical hardware. |
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:58 GMT, Don White wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: What's the French Battle Cry? WE SURRENDER!!! http://tinyurl.com/ewtvo At least in France, you can smoke a cigar with your coffee and donuts and non-smokers are put where they belong - in the rear of the place near the kitchen door. :) Much more civilized here. We toss the smokers out on the street. You see them all winter, pathetically huddling on the sidewalk in front of major federal buildings drawing on their precious cigarettes. I've even seen patients out there dressed in the thin blue cotton robes and clutching their medical hardware. I don't smoke cigarettes... I am a civilized smoker - cigars - finest kind - Cuban cheroots... There's a difference. *Then again, you probably wear seatbelts...* :) It's the law..to wear seatbelts up here! Let's see now.....I abide by the law of the land by wearing seatbelts.......... You smoke Cuban cigars...which I believe is still against the law stateside???? mmmmmm! |
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:42:10 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:53:57 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Don White wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: What's the French Battle Cry? WE SURRENDER!!! http://tinyurl.com/ewtvo At least in France, you can smoke a cigar with your coffee and donuts and non-smokers are put where they belong - in the rear of the place near the kitchen door. :) Much more civilized here. We toss the smokers out on the street. You see them all winter, pathetically huddling on the sidewalk in front of major federal buildings drawing on their precious cigarettes. I've even seen patients out there dressed in the thin blue cotton robes and clutching their medical hardware. Family members of smokers should have them committed to a hospital for cigarette-cigar-pipe aversion therapy. Smokers stink, and they stink up everything they get near. And you suck. :) Uh, you seem to be the one with the cheap oral fixation! :} Cheap my ass. You know how much those damn cigars cost? :) A lot more than you think if Jessie Helmes catches up to you! |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:53:57 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Don White wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: What's the French Battle Cry? WE SURRENDER!!! http://tinyurl.com/ewtvo At least in France, you can smoke a cigar with your coffee and donuts and non-smokers are put where they belong - in the rear of the place near the kitchen door. :) Much more civilized here. We toss the smokers out on the street. You see them all winter, pathetically huddling on the sidewalk in front of major federal buildings drawing on their precious cigarettes. I've even seen patients out there dressed in the thin blue cotton robes and clutching their medical hardware. Family members of smokers should have them committed to a hospital for cigarette-cigar-pipe aversion therapy. Smokers stink, and they stink up everything they get near. And you suck. :) Uh, you seem to be the one with the cheap oral fixation! :} No, he's not. Crap! Does smoking put me in the right wing camp too? I just can't keep up with your politics. |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:58 GMT, Don White wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: What's the French Battle Cry? WE SURRENDER!!! http://tinyurl.com/ewtvo At least in France, you can smoke a cigar with your coffee and donuts and non-smokers are put where they belong - in the rear of the place near the kitchen door. :) Much more civilized here. We toss the smokers out on the street. You see them all winter, pathetically huddling on the sidewalk in front of major federal buildings drawing on their precious cigarettes. I've even seen patients out there dressed in the thin blue cotton robes and clutching their medical hardware. I don't smoke cigarettes... I am a civilized smoker - cigars - finest kind - Cuban cheroots... There's a difference. *Then again, you probably wear seatbelts...* :) It's the law..to wear seatbelts up here! Let's see now.....I abide by the law of the land by wearing seatbelts.......... You smoke Cuban cigars...which I believe is still against the law stateside???? mmmmmm! Probably do not speed either. I believe in seatbelts, as I used to race cars and walked away from a couple of majestic crashes. But they should be a personal choice, and if you get injured and not wearing seatbelt, you get very limited financial medical help from the government. If you want to smoke, personal choice. I would rather he smoked Altria supplied tobacco, as well as burn Chevron products in his vehicles, but that is just my investments talking. As long as he wants to smoke, he should be able to, in his own home, vehicle, or a business that caters to smokers. Or 100' from the entrance to a building. |
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On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:53:57 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: Don White wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: What's the French Battle Cry? WE SURRENDER!!! http://tinyurl.com/ewtvo At least in France, you can smoke a cigar with your coffee and donuts and non-smokers are put where they belong - in the rear of the place near the kitchen door. :) Much more civilized here. We toss the smokers out on the street. You see them all winter, pathetically huddling on the sidewalk in front of major federal buildings drawing on their precious cigarettes. I've even seen patients out there dressed in the thin blue cotton robes and clutching their medical hardware. Family members of smokers should have them committed to a hospital for cigarette-cigar-pipe aversion therapy. Smokers stink, and they stink up everything they get near. Five years ago, I would have been incensed at such a comment. Today I have to agree! This is to CERTIFY that: JOHN L. HERRING Has neither smoked nor puffed a single cigarette for: Four years, three months, three weeks, six days, 14 hours, 57 minutes and 12 seconds. This means he has not lit 78931 cigarettes, and has saved $11,839.67. The additional time he has to spend his daughters' inheritance is about: 39 weeks, 1 day, 1 hour, and 35 minutes. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:53:57 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Don White wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: What's the French Battle Cry? WE SURRENDER!!! http://tinyurl.com/ewtvo At least in France, you can smoke a cigar with your coffee and donuts and non-smokers are put where they belong - in the rear of the place near the kitchen door. :) Much more civilized here. We toss the smokers out on the street. You see them all winter, pathetically huddling on the sidewalk in front of major federal buildings drawing on their precious cigarettes. I've even seen patients out there dressed in the thin blue cotton robes and clutching their medical hardware. Family members of smokers should have them committed to a hospital for cigarette-cigar-pipe aversion therapy. Smokers stink, and they stink up everything they get near. Five years ago, I would have been incensed at such a comment. Today I have to agree! This is to CERTIFY that: JOHN L. HERRING Has neither smoked nor puffed a single cigarette for: Four years, three months, three weeks, six days, 14 hours, 57 minutes and 12 seconds. This means he has not lit 78931 cigarettes, and has saved $11,839.67. The additional time he has to spend his daughters' inheritance is about: 39 weeks, 1 day, 1 hour, and 35 minutes. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** CONGRATULATIONS, John!! It's tough to do, but I'm glad you were able to without becoming obsessive-compulsive in doing it!! (c; ('Course better to be obsessive-compulsive than obnoxious-repulsive as a couple of folks on this ng seem to be.) Ray |
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RayB wrote:
CONGRATULATIONS, John!! It's tough to do, but I'm glad you were able to without becoming obsessive-compulsive in doing it!! (c; ('Course better to be obsessive-compulsive than obnoxious-repulsive as a couple of folks on this ng seem to be.) Ray Tom's not really that bad. He even has a sailboat. |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... RayB wrote: CONGRATULATIONS, John!! It's tough to do, but I'm glad you were able to without becoming obsessive-compulsive in doing it!! (c; ('Course better to be obsessive-compulsive than obnoxious-repulsive as a couple of folks on this ng seem to be.) Ray Tom's not really that bad. He even has a sailboat. I didn't name any names! But rag-baggers are OK. I'm just waiting for the new fishing boat to come in ....long wait (for me). |
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:48:39 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:58 GMT, Don White wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: What's the French Battle Cry? WE SURRENDER!!! http://tinyurl.com/ewtvo At least in France, you can smoke a cigar with your coffee and donuts and non-smokers are put where they belong - in the rear of the place near the kitchen door. :) Much more civilized here. We toss the smokers out on the street. You see them all winter, pathetically huddling on the sidewalk in front of major federal buildings drawing on their precious cigarettes. I've even seen patients out there dressed in the thin blue cotton robes and clutching their medical hardware. I don't smoke cigarettes... I am a civilized smoker - cigars - finest kind - Cuban cheroots... There's a difference. *Then again, you probably wear seatbelts...* :) It's the law..to wear seatbelts up here! Let's see now.....I abide by the law of the land by wearing seatbelts.......... You smoke Cuban cigars...which I believe is still against the law stateside???? mmmmmm! Probably do not speed either. I believe in seatbelts, as I used to race cars and walked away from a couple of majestic crashes. I don't believe in seatbelts and here's why. Eleven years ago now, I was rear ended by a flat nosed GMC delivery truck. He hit me so hard that my right shoulder was broken (the one that was recently fixed), my right hip was fractured in place - all by the seat belts and my left shoulder was dislocated. A fire started at the rear of the car and I couldn't get out - I could smell the fire and was conscious enough to try and get out but I couldn't move my arms. All I remember was somebody stopping and fortunately, much like me I might add, had a bottle fire extinguisher, got the fire out and after that I don't remember anything except for waking up in the UMASS ER. If somebody hadn't been prepared for a real emergency, I would have been a cripsy critter. I had to be cut out of the seatbelts I was told later. In my years as a volunteer Paramedic, I've seen really bad accidents where no seat belts were worn and nary an injury except for bumps and bruises. I've also seen as many with seat belts and nifty things like torn aortas, various broken bones, split spleens, etc. There is a big difference between a four/six point, tightly cinched racing safety harness and a shoulder harness in a private car. Don't get me started on air bags. That may be your experience Tom but far more meaningful statistic show otherwise. ;-) |
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:48:39 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:58 GMT, Don White wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: What's the French Battle Cry? WE SURRENDER!!! http://tinyurl.com/ewtvo At least in France, you can smoke a cigar with your coffee and donuts and non-smokers are put where they belong - in the rear of the place near the kitchen door. :) Much more civilized here. We toss the smokers out on the street. You see them all winter, pathetically huddling on the sidewalk in front of major federal buildings drawing on their precious cigarettes. I've even seen patients out there dressed in the thin blue cotton robes and clutching their medical hardware. I don't smoke cigarettes... I am a civilized smoker - cigars - finest kind - Cuban cheroots... There's a difference. *Then again, you probably wear seatbelts...* :) It's the law..to wear seatbelts up here! Let's see now.....I abide by the law of the land by wearing seatbelts.......... You smoke Cuban cigars...which I believe is still against the law stateside???? mmmmmm! Probably do not speed either. I believe in seatbelts, as I used to race cars and walked away from a couple of majestic crashes. I don't believe in seatbelts and here's why. Eleven years ago now, I was rear ended by a flat nosed GMC delivery truck. He hit me so hard that my right shoulder was broken (the one that was recently fixed), my right hip was fractured in place - all by the seat belts and my left shoulder was dislocated. A fire started at the rear of the car and I couldn't get out - I could smell the fire and was conscious enough to try and get out but I couldn't move my arms. All I remember was somebody stopping and fortunately, much like me I might add, had a bottle fire extinguisher, got the fire out and after that I don't remember anything except for waking up in the UMASS ER. If somebody hadn't been prepared for a real emergency, I would have been a cripsy critter. I had to be cut out of the seatbelts I was told later. In my years as a volunteer Paramedic, I've seen really bad accidents where no seat belts were worn and nary an injury except for bumps and bruises. I've also seen as many with seat belts and nifty things like torn aortas, various broken bones, split spleens, etc. There is a big difference between a four/six point, tightly cinched racing safety harness and a shoulder harness in a private car. Don't get me started on air bags. That may be your experience Tom but far more meaningful statistic show otherwise. ;-) To use or not to use seatbelts should be a voluntary, individual choice, not mandated by law. RCE |
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
snip *Then again, you probably wear seatbelts...* :) It's the law..to wear seatbelts up here! Ohhhh - it's the LAW... Big whoop. Let's see now.....I abide by the law of the land by wearing seatbelts.......... No - you bow to the law by wearing seatbelts. Show some guts - start a movement and stop the insane seat belt and air bag "laws". Did you know that seat belt stats are mostly bogus? snip.. I know what it's like to be thrown through the windshield of a van in a highway crash. (no seatbelt) It's not something I'd want to repeat. |
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"RCE" wrote in message ... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:48:39 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:58 GMT, Don White wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: What's the French Battle Cry? WE SURRENDER!!! http://tinyurl.com/ewtvo At least in France, you can smoke a cigar with your coffee and donuts and non-smokers are put where they belong - in the rear of the place near the kitchen door. :) Much more civilized here. We toss the smokers out on the street. You see them all winter, pathetically huddling on the sidewalk in front of major federal buildings drawing on their precious cigarettes. I've even seen patients out there dressed in the thin blue cotton robes and clutching their medical hardware. I don't smoke cigarettes... I am a civilized smoker - cigars - finest kind - Cuban cheroots... There's a difference. *Then again, you probably wear seatbelts...* :) It's the law..to wear seatbelts up here! Let's see now.....I abide by the law of the land by wearing seatbelts.......... You smoke Cuban cigars...which I believe is still against the law stateside???? mmmmmm! Probably do not speed either. I believe in seatbelts, as I used to race cars and walked away from a couple of majestic crashes. I don't believe in seatbelts and here's why. Eleven years ago now, I was rear ended by a flat nosed GMC delivery truck. He hit me so hard that my right shoulder was broken (the one that was recently fixed), my right hip was fractured in place - all by the seat belts and my left shoulder was dislocated. A fire started at the rear of the car and I couldn't get out - I could smell the fire and was conscious enough to try and get out but I couldn't move my arms. All I remember was somebody stopping and fortunately, much like me I might add, had a bottle fire extinguisher, got the fire out and after that I don't remember anything except for waking up in the UMASS ER. If somebody hadn't been prepared for a real emergency, I would have been a cripsy critter. I had to be cut out of the seatbelts I was told later. In my years as a volunteer Paramedic, I've seen really bad accidents where no seat belts were worn and nary an injury except for bumps and bruises. I've also seen as many with seat belts and nifty things like torn aortas, various broken bones, split spleens, etc. There is a big difference between a four/six point, tightly cinched racing safety harness and a shoulder harness in a private car. Don't get me started on air bags. That may be your experience Tom but far more meaningful statistics show otherwise. ;-) To use or not to use seatbelts should be a voluntary, individual choice, not mandated by law. RCE I guess a case can be made for both sides. I prefer to side with those who say/prove that wearing a seatbelt improves your chances of surviving an accident, regardless of the "violation of rights' argument posed by the other side. When we purchased my wife's Toyota Highlander we paid extra for side airbag protection. When it comes to personal safety I believe in suspenders and a belt. ;-) The bottom line is that airbags and seatbelts save lives. Although one may certainly cite anecdotal evidence showing otherwise I choose to believe in the large sampling of evidence showing they do. ;-) |
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
snip I don't believe in seatbelts and here's why. Eleven years ago now, I was rear ended by a flat nosed GMC delivery truck. He hit me so hard that my right shoulder was broken (the one that was recently fixed), my right hip was fractured in place - all by the seat belts and my left shoulder was dislocated. A fire started at the rear of the car and I couldn't get out - I could smell the fire and was conscious enough to try and get out but I couldn't move my arms. All I remember was somebody stopping and fortunately, much like me I might add, had a bottle fire extinguisher, got the fire out and after that I don't remember anything except for waking up in the UMASS ER. If somebody hadn't been prepared for a real emergency, I would have been a cripsy critter. I had to be cut out of the seatbelts I was told later. In my years as a volunteer Paramedic, I've seen really bad accidents where no seat belts were worn and nary an injury except for bumps and bruises. I've also seen as many with seat belts and nifty things like torn aortas, various broken bones, split spleens, etc. There is a big difference between a four/six point, tightly cinched racing safety harness and a shoulder harness in a private car. Don't get me started on air bags. Me either. We were told we had to put up with airbags because irresponsible Americans weren't using their seatbelts. I agree...get rid of the airbags and put real four point seatbelts in all passenger vehicles. Anyone not using them gets his auto towed/compounded for a week at his cost. |
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "RCE" wrote in message ... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:48:39 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:58 GMT, Don White wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: What's the French Battle Cry? WE SURRENDER!!! http://tinyurl.com/ewtvo At least in France, you can smoke a cigar with your coffee and donuts and non-smokers are put where they belong - in the rear of the place near the kitchen door. :) Much more civilized here. We toss the smokers out on the street. You see them all winter, pathetically huddling on the sidewalk in front of major federal buildings drawing on their precious cigarettes. I've even seen patients out there dressed in the thin blue cotton robes and clutching their medical hardware. I don't smoke cigarettes... I am a civilized smoker - cigars - finest kind - Cuban cheroots... There's a difference. *Then again, you probably wear seatbelts...* :) It's the law..to wear seatbelts up here! Let's see now.....I abide by the law of the land by wearing seatbelts.......... You smoke Cuban cigars...which I believe is still against the law stateside???? mmmmmm! Probably do not speed either. I believe in seatbelts, as I used to race cars and walked away from a couple of majestic crashes. I don't believe in seatbelts and here's why. Eleven years ago now, I was rear ended by a flat nosed GMC delivery truck. He hit me so hard that my right shoulder was broken (the one that was recently fixed), my right hip was fractured in place - all by the seat belts and my left shoulder was dislocated. A fire started at the rear of the car and I couldn't get out - I could smell the fire and was conscious enough to try and get out but I couldn't move my arms. All I remember was somebody stopping and fortunately, much like me I might add, had a bottle fire extinguisher, got the fire out and after that I don't remember anything except for waking up in the UMASS ER. If somebody hadn't been prepared for a real emergency, I would have been a cripsy critter. I had to be cut out of the seatbelts I was told later. In my years as a volunteer Paramedic, I've seen really bad accidents where no seat belts were worn and nary an injury except for bumps and bruises. I've also seen as many with seat belts and nifty things like torn aortas, various broken bones, split spleens, etc. There is a big difference between a four/six point, tightly cinched racing safety harness and a shoulder harness in a private car. Don't get me started on air bags. That may be your experience Tom but far more meaningful statistics show otherwise. ;-) To use or not to use seatbelts should be a voluntary, individual choice, not mandated by law. RCE I guess a case can be made for both sides. I prefer to side with those who say/prove that wearing a seatbelt improves your chances of surviving an accident, regardless of the "violation of rights' argument posed by the other side. When we purchased my wife's Toyota Highlander we paid extra for side airbag protection. When it comes to personal safety I believe in suspenders and a belt. ;-) The bottom line is that airbags and seatbelts save lives. Although one may certainly cite anecdotal evidence showing otherwise I choose to believe in the large sampling of evidence showing they do. ;-) Good for you. Just don't force what you believe on me. RCE |
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"RCE" wrote in message ... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "RCE" wrote in message ... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:48:39 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:58 GMT, Don White wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: What's the French Battle Cry? WE SURRENDER!!! http://tinyurl.com/ewtvo At least in France, you can smoke a cigar with your coffee and donuts and non-smokers are put where they belong - in the rear of the place near the kitchen door. :) Much more civilized here. We toss the smokers out on the street. You see them all winter, pathetically huddling on the sidewalk in front of major federal buildings drawing on their precious cigarettes. I've even seen patients out there dressed in the thin blue cotton robes and clutching their medical hardware. I don't smoke cigarettes... I am a civilized smoker - cigars - finest kind - Cuban cheroots... There's a difference. *Then again, you probably wear seatbelts...* :) It's the law..to wear seatbelts up here! Let's see now.....I abide by the law of the land by wearing seatbelts.......... You smoke Cuban cigars...which I believe is still against the law stateside???? mmmmmm! Probably do not speed either. I believe in seatbelts, as I used to race cars and walked away from a couple of majestic crashes. I don't believe in seatbelts and here's why. Eleven years ago now, I was rear ended by a flat nosed GMC delivery truck. He hit me so hard that my right shoulder was broken (the one that was recently fixed), my right hip was fractured in place - all by the seat belts and my left shoulder was dislocated. A fire started at the rear of the car and I couldn't get out - I could smell the fire and was conscious enough to try and get out but I couldn't move my arms. All I remember was somebody stopping and fortunately, much like me I might add, had a bottle fire extinguisher, got the fire out and after that I don't remember anything except for waking up in the UMASS ER. If somebody hadn't been prepared for a real emergency, I would have been a cripsy critter. I had to be cut out of the seatbelts I was told later. In my years as a volunteer Paramedic, I've seen really bad accidents where no seat belts were worn and nary an injury except for bumps and bruises. I've also seen as many with seat belts and nifty things like torn aortas, various broken bones, split spleens, etc. There is a big difference between a four/six point, tightly cinched racing safety harness and a shoulder harness in a private car. Don't get me started on air bags. That may be your experience Tom but far more meaningful statistics show otherwise. ;-) To use or not to use seatbelts should be a voluntary, individual choice, not mandated by law. RCE I guess a case can be made for both sides. I prefer to side with those who say/prove that wearing a seatbelt improves your chances of surviving an accident, regardless of the "violation of rights' argument posed by the other side. When we purchased my wife's Toyota Highlander we paid extra for side airbag protection. When it comes to personal safety I believe in suspenders and a belt. ;-) The bottom line is that airbags and seatbelts save lives. Although one may certainly cite anecdotal evidence showing otherwise I choose to believe in the large sampling of evidence showing they do. ;-) Good for you. Just don't force what you believe on me. RCE If it means saving lives and reducing medical and insurance costs then I have no problem *forcing* it on everyone. ;-) You can continue to not wear a seat belt. No one forces you to. And you sure will show them by doing so..........eh? ;-) |
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "RCE" wrote in message ... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "RCE" wrote in message ... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:48:39 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:58 GMT, Don White wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: What's the French Battle Cry? WE SURRENDER!!! http://tinyurl.com/ewtvo At least in France, you can smoke a cigar with your coffee and donuts and non-smokers are put where they belong - in the rear of the place near the kitchen door. :) Much more civilized here. We toss the smokers out on the street. You see them all winter, pathetically huddling on the sidewalk in front of major federal buildings drawing on their precious cigarettes. I've even seen patients out there dressed in the thin blue cotton robes and clutching their medical hardware. I don't smoke cigarettes... I am a civilized smoker - cigars - finest kind - Cuban cheroots... There's a difference. *Then again, you probably wear seatbelts...* :) It's the law..to wear seatbelts up here! Let's see now.....I abide by the law of the land by wearing seatbelts.......... You smoke Cuban cigars...which I believe is still against the law stateside???? mmmmmm! Probably do not speed either. I believe in seatbelts, as I used to race cars and walked away from a couple of majestic crashes. I don't believe in seatbelts and here's why. Eleven years ago now, I was rear ended by a flat nosed GMC delivery truck. He hit me so hard that my right shoulder was broken (the one that was recently fixed), my right hip was fractured in place - all by the seat belts and my left shoulder was dislocated. A fire started at the rear of the car and I couldn't get out - I could smell the fire and was conscious enough to try and get out but I couldn't move my arms. All I remember was somebody stopping and fortunately, much like me I might add, had a bottle fire extinguisher, got the fire out and after that I don't remember anything except for waking up in the UMASS ER. If somebody hadn't been prepared for a real emergency, I would have been a cripsy critter. I had to be cut out of the seatbelts I was told later. In my years as a volunteer Paramedic, I've seen really bad accidents where no seat belts were worn and nary an injury except for bumps and bruises. I've also seen as many with seat belts and nifty things like torn aortas, various broken bones, split spleens, etc. There is a big difference between a four/six point, tightly cinched racing safety harness and a shoulder harness in a private car. Don't get me started on air bags. That may be your experience Tom but far more meaningful statistics show otherwise. ;-) To use or not to use seatbelts should be a voluntary, individual choice, not mandated by law. RCE I guess a case can be made for both sides. I prefer to side with those who say/prove that wearing a seatbelt improves your chances of surviving an accident, regardless of the "violation of rights' argument posed by the other side. When we purchased my wife's Toyota Highlander we paid extra for side airbag protection. When it comes to personal safety I believe in suspenders and a belt. ;-) The bottom line is that airbags and seatbelts save lives. Although one may certainly cite anecdotal evidence showing otherwise I choose to believe in the large sampling of evidence showing they do. ;-) Good for you. Just don't force what you believe on me. RCE If it means saving lives and reducing medical and insurance costs then I have no problem *forcing* it on everyone. ;-) You can continue to not wear a seat belt. No one forces you to. And you sure will show them by doing so..........eh? ;-) I don't give it a second thought, until some do-gooder comes along and tells me I *have* to wear them because it's good for me and, btw, will save him some money on his insurance bill. Seat belts obviously save lives. They also cause serious injury and death in some instances. Given that, their use should be up to the individual and damn to the "statistics". Statistics are like averages .... they can be very misleading. It's not any different than requiring everybody to get a flu shot by law. If everyone got a flu shot, fewer people would get sick, fewer businesses would lose employees to sick days, the economy would be better, the cost of medical care would go down and your health insurance premiums would be lower. I better shut up, or Ted Kennedy will be busy writing a mandatory flu shot bill. RCE |
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On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:11:58 -0400, "RayB" wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:53:57 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Don White wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: What's the French Battle Cry? WE SURRENDER!!! http://tinyurl.com/ewtvo At least in France, you can smoke a cigar with your coffee and donuts and non-smokers are put where they belong - in the rear of the place near the kitchen door. :) Much more civilized here. We toss the smokers out on the street. You see them all winter, pathetically huddling on the sidewalk in front of major federal buildings drawing on their precious cigarettes. I've even seen patients out there dressed in the thin blue cotton robes and clutching their medical hardware. Family members of smokers should have them committed to a hospital for cigarette-cigar-pipe aversion therapy. Smokers stink, and they stink up everything they get near. Five years ago, I would have been incensed at such a comment. Today I have to agree! This is to CERTIFY that: JOHN L. HERRING Has neither smoked nor puffed a single cigarette for: Four years, three months, three weeks, six days, 14 hours, 57 minutes and 12 seconds. This means he has not lit 78931 cigarettes, and has saved $11,839.67. The additional time he has to spend his daughters' inheritance is about: 39 weeks, 1 day, 1 hour, and 35 minutes. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** CONGRATULATIONS, John!! It's tough to do, but I'm glad you were able to without becoming obsessive-compulsive in doing it!! (c; ('Course better to be obsessive-compulsive than obnoxious-repulsive as a couple of folks on this ng seem to be.) Ray Probably one of the hardest things I've ever done, but well worth it! -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:23:34 -0400, "RCE" wrote:
" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:48:39 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:58 GMT, Don White wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: What's the French Battle Cry? WE SURRENDER!!! http://tinyurl.com/ewtvo At least in France, you can smoke a cigar with your coffee and donuts and non-smokers are put where they belong - in the rear of the place near the kitchen door. :) Much more civilized here. We toss the smokers out on the street. You see them all winter, pathetically huddling on the sidewalk in front of major federal buildings drawing on their precious cigarettes. I've even seen patients out there dressed in the thin blue cotton robes and clutching their medical hardware. I don't smoke cigarettes... I am a civilized smoker - cigars - finest kind - Cuban cheroots... There's a difference. *Then again, you probably wear seatbelts...* :) It's the law..to wear seatbelts up here! Let's see now.....I abide by the law of the land by wearing seatbelts.......... You smoke Cuban cigars...which I believe is still against the law stateside???? mmmmmm! Probably do not speed either. I believe in seatbelts, as I used to race cars and walked away from a couple of majestic crashes. I don't believe in seatbelts and here's why. Eleven years ago now, I was rear ended by a flat nosed GMC delivery truck. He hit me so hard that my right shoulder was broken (the one that was recently fixed), my right hip was fractured in place - all by the seat belts and my left shoulder was dislocated. A fire started at the rear of the car and I couldn't get out - I could smell the fire and was conscious enough to try and get out but I couldn't move my arms. All I remember was somebody stopping and fortunately, much like me I might add, had a bottle fire extinguisher, got the fire out and after that I don't remember anything except for waking up in the UMASS ER. If somebody hadn't been prepared for a real emergency, I would have been a cripsy critter. I had to be cut out of the seatbelts I was told later. In my years as a volunteer Paramedic, I've seen really bad accidents where no seat belts were worn and nary an injury except for bumps and bruises. I've also seen as many with seat belts and nifty things like torn aortas, various broken bones, split spleens, etc. There is a big difference between a four/six point, tightly cinched racing safety harness and a shoulder harness in a private car. Don't get me started on air bags. That may be your experience Tom but far more meaningful statistic show otherwise. ;-) To use or not to use seatbelts should be a voluntary, individual choice, not mandated by law. RCE Some laws are written to protect the insane, e.g. helmet laws for motorcyclists. Without the law, some fools would actually ride without a helmet! -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:55:08 -0400, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:48:39 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:58 GMT, Don White wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: What's the French Battle Cry? WE SURRENDER!!! http://tinyurl.com/ewtvo At least in France, you can smoke a cigar with your coffee and donuts and non-smokers are put where they belong - in the rear of the place near the kitchen door. :) Much more civilized here. We toss the smokers out on the street. You see them all winter, pathetically huddling on the sidewalk in front of major federal buildings drawing on their precious cigarettes. I've even seen patients out there dressed in the thin blue cotton robes and clutching their medical hardware. I don't smoke cigarettes... I am a civilized smoker - cigars - finest kind - Cuban cheroots... There's a difference. *Then again, you probably wear seatbelts...* :) It's the law..to wear seatbelts up here! Let's see now.....I abide by the law of the land by wearing seatbelts.......... You smoke Cuban cigars...which I believe is still against the law stateside???? mmmmmm! Probably do not speed either. I believe in seatbelts, as I used to race cars and walked away from a couple of majestic crashes. I don't believe in seatbelts and here's why. Eleven years ago now, I was rear ended by a flat nosed GMC delivery truck. He hit me so hard that my right shoulder was broken (the one that was recently fixed), my right hip was fractured in place - all by the seat belts and my left shoulder was dislocated. A fire started at the rear of the car and I couldn't get out - I could smell the fire and was conscious enough to try and get out but I couldn't move my arms. All I remember was somebody stopping and fortunately, much like me I might add, had a bottle fire extinguisher, got the fire out and after that I don't remember anything except for waking up in the UMASS ER. If somebody hadn't been prepared for a real emergency, I would have been a cripsy critter. I had to be cut out of the seatbelts I was told later. In my years as a volunteer Paramedic, I've seen really bad accidents where no seat belts were worn and nary an injury except for bumps and bruises. I've also seen as many with seat belts and nifty things like torn aortas, various broken bones, split spleens, etc. There is a big difference between a four/six point, tightly cinched racing safety harness and a shoulder harness in a private car. Don't get me started on air bags. That may be your experience Tom but far more meaningful statistic show otherwise. ;-) That's where you are wrong. The reporting requirements for seat belt use in accidents is to ask the occupants if they were wearing seat belts. 90% don't say no. Also, most seat belt accidents are at or under 25 mph - that's a fact. So if seat belt use it being over reported, the "stats" are bull****. Show me. ;-) |
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:23:34 -0400, "RCE" wrote: " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:48:39 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:58 GMT, Don White wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: What's the French Battle Cry? WE SURRENDER!!! http://tinyurl.com/ewtvo At least in France, you can smoke a cigar with your coffee and donuts and non-smokers are put where they belong - in the rear of the place near the kitchen door. :) Much more civilized here. We toss the smokers out on the street. You see them all winter, pathetically huddling on the sidewalk in front of major federal buildings drawing on their precious cigarettes. I've even seen patients out there dressed in the thin blue cotton robes and clutching their medical hardware. I don't smoke cigarettes... I am a civilized smoker - cigars - finest kind - Cuban cheroots... There's a difference. *Then again, you probably wear seatbelts...* :) It's the law..to wear seatbelts up here! Let's see now.....I abide by the law of the land by wearing seatbelts.......... You smoke Cuban cigars...which I believe is still against the law stateside???? mmmmmm! Probably do not speed either. I believe in seatbelts, as I used to race cars and walked away from a couple of majestic crashes. I don't believe in seatbelts and here's why. Eleven years ago now, I was rear ended by a flat nosed GMC delivery truck. He hit me so hard that my right shoulder was broken (the one that was recently fixed), my right hip was fractured in place - all by the seat belts and my left shoulder was dislocated. A fire started at the rear of the car and I couldn't get out - I could smell the fire and was conscious enough to try and get out but I couldn't move my arms. All I remember was somebody stopping and fortunately, much like me I might add, had a bottle fire extinguisher, got the fire out and after that I don't remember anything except for waking up in the UMASS ER. If somebody hadn't been prepared for a real emergency, I would have been a cripsy critter. I had to be cut out of the seatbelts I was told later. In my years as a volunteer Paramedic, I've seen really bad accidents where no seat belts were worn and nary an injury except for bumps and bruises. I've also seen as many with seat belts and nifty things like torn aortas, various broken bones, split spleens, etc. There is a big difference between a four/six point, tightly cinched racing safety harness and a shoulder harness in a private car. Don't get me started on air bags. That may be your experience Tom but far more meaningful statistic show otherwise. ;-) To use or not to use seatbelts should be a voluntary, individual choice, not mandated by law. Correctomundo - got it in one. What makes it even more interesting is that here is CT, you can ride a motorcycle without a helmet. But you have to wear a seat belt in a 6,000 pound, diesel pickup. How f****d up is that? I hate wearing a helmet. Makes me look stupid. RCE |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... Some laws are written to protect the insane, e.g. helmet laws for motorcyclists. Without the law, some fools would actually ride without a helmet! -- Far fewer states require helmets for motorcyclists than those that require seat belt use. RCE |
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"RCE" wrote in message ... "JohnH" wrote in message ... Some laws are written to protect the insane, e.g. helmet laws for motorcyclists. Without the law, some fools would actually ride without a helmet! -- Far fewer states require helmets for motorcyclists than those that require seat belt use. RCE Do you wear leather when you ride? |
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On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:23:34 -0400, "RCE" wrote: " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:48:39 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:58 GMT, Don White wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: What's the French Battle Cry? WE SURRENDER!!! http://tinyurl.com/ewtvo At least in France, you can smoke a cigar with your coffee and donuts and non-smokers are put where they belong - in the rear of the place near the kitchen door. :) Much more civilized here. We toss the smokers out on the street. You see them all winter, pathetically huddling on the sidewalk in front of major federal buildings drawing on their precious cigarettes. I've even seen patients out there dressed in the thin blue cotton robes and clutching their medical hardware. I don't smoke cigarettes... I am a civilized smoker - cigars - finest kind - Cuban cheroots... There's a difference. *Then again, you probably wear seatbelts...* :) It's the law..to wear seatbelts up here! Let's see now.....I abide by the law of the land by wearing seatbelts.......... You smoke Cuban cigars...which I believe is still against the law stateside???? mmmmmm! Probably do not speed either. I believe in seatbelts, as I used to race cars and walked away from a couple of majestic crashes. I don't believe in seatbelts and here's why. Eleven years ago now, I was rear ended by a flat nosed GMC delivery truck. He hit me so hard that my right shoulder was broken (the one that was recently fixed), my right hip was fractured in place - all by the seat belts and my left shoulder was dislocated. A fire started at the rear of the car and I couldn't get out - I could smell the fire and was conscious enough to try and get out but I couldn't move my arms. All I remember was somebody stopping and fortunately, much like me I might add, had a bottle fire extinguisher, got the fire out and after that I don't remember anything except for waking up in the UMASS ER. If somebody hadn't been prepared for a real emergency, I would have been a cripsy critter. I had to be cut out of the seatbelts I was told later. In my years as a volunteer Paramedic, I've seen really bad accidents where no seat belts were worn and nary an injury except for bumps and bruises. I've also seen as many with seat belts and nifty things like torn aortas, various broken bones, split spleens, etc. There is a big difference between a four/six point, tightly cinched racing safety harness and a shoulder harness in a private car. Don't get me started on air bags. That may be your experience Tom but far more meaningful statistic show otherwise. ;-) To use or not to use seatbelts should be a voluntary, individual choice, not mandated by law. RCE Some laws are written to protect the insane, e.g. helmet laws for motorcyclists. Without the law, some fools would actually ride without a helmet! -- 'Til next time, John H We've had a motorcycle helmet law since at least the mid 60's...when I started to ride. |
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snip.. Neither would I, but can you honestly say that you would have been better off with a ruptured spleen, a torn aorta or your pelvis crushed such that the femoral arteries are occluded that you lose your legs. We had an accident here in Woodstock when I was still on the Rescue Squad - relatively high speed (45), head on a 90 degree curve - two occupants of one car were thrown clear - injured seriously, but alive. The driver of the other car, with her seatbelt on, deader than a doornail. The cause? Alcohol. I propose that life in prison for the drunk driver would be acceptable for murdering the other occupant. I'm not much of a gambler. I'd only want to bet when the odds were overwhelming in my favour. I'll take the sure bet and buckle up. |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:23:34 -0400, "RCE" wrote: " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:48:39 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:58 GMT, Don White wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: What's the French Battle Cry? WE SURRENDER!!! http://tinyurl.com/ewtvo At least in France, you can smoke a cigar with your coffee and donuts and non-smokers are put where they belong - in the rear of the place near the kitchen door. :) Much more civilized here. We toss the smokers out on the street. You see them all winter, pathetically huddling on the sidewalk in front of major federal buildings drawing on their precious cigarettes. I've even seen patients out there dressed in the thin blue cotton robes and clutching their medical hardware. I don't smoke cigarettes... I am a civilized smoker - cigars - finest kind - Cuban cheroots... There's a difference. *Then again, you probably wear seatbelts...* :) It's the law..to wear seatbelts up here! Let's see now.....I abide by the law of the land by wearing seatbelts.......... You smoke Cuban cigars...which I believe is still against the law stateside???? mmmmmm! Probably do not speed either. I believe in seatbelts, as I used to race cars and walked away from a couple of majestic crashes. I don't believe in seatbelts and here's why. Eleven years ago now, I was rear ended by a flat nosed GMC delivery truck. He hit me so hard that my right shoulder was broken (the one that was recently fixed), my right hip was fractured in place - all by the seat belts and my left shoulder was dislocated. A fire started at the rear of the car and I couldn't get out - I could smell the fire and was conscious enough to try and get out but I couldn't move my arms. All I remember was somebody stopping and fortunately, much like me I might add, had a bottle fire extinguisher, got the fire out and after that I don't remember anything except for waking up in the UMASS ER. If somebody hadn't been prepared for a real emergency, I would have been a cripsy critter. I had to be cut out of the seatbelts I was told later. In my years as a volunteer Paramedic, I've seen really bad accidents where no seat belts were worn and nary an injury except for bumps and bruises. I've also seen as many with seat belts and nifty things like torn aortas, various broken bones, split spleens, etc. There is a big difference between a four/six point, tightly cinched racing safety harness and a shoulder harness in a private car. Don't get me started on air bags. That may be your experience Tom but far more meaningful statistic show otherwise. ;-) To use or not to use seatbelts should be a voluntary, individual choice, not mandated by law. RCE Some laws are written to protect the insane, e.g. helmet laws for motorcyclists. Without the law, some fools would actually ride without a helmet! -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** \ And also used to raise money. Buddies stopped at a diner in Oregon. Realized they could not see the bikes from the window. Moved them 200' to the other side of the building via the public street. TICKET as they did not put on the helmets. Tell me that is not just to raise money for the state? |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:23:34 -0400, "RCE" wrote: " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:48:39 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:58 GMT, Don White wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: What's the French Battle Cry? WE SURRENDER!!! http://tinyurl.com/ewtvo At least in France, you can smoke a cigar with your coffee and donuts and non-smokers are put where they belong - in the rear of the place near the kitchen door. :) Much more civilized here. We toss the smokers out on the street. You see them all winter, pathetically huddling on the sidewalk in front of major federal buildings drawing on their precious cigarettes. I've even seen patients out there dressed in the thin blue cotton robes and clutching their medical hardware. I don't smoke cigarettes... I am a civilized smoker - cigars - finest kind - Cuban cheroots... There's a difference. *Then again, you probably wear seatbelts...* :) It's the law..to wear seatbelts up here! Let's see now.....I abide by the law of the land by wearing seatbelts.......... You smoke Cuban cigars...which I believe is still against the law stateside???? mmmmmm! Probably do not speed either. I believe in seatbelts, as I used to race cars and walked away from a couple of majestic crashes. I don't believe in seatbelts and here's why. Eleven years ago now, I was rear ended by a flat nosed GMC delivery truck. He hit me so hard that my right shoulder was broken (the one that was recently fixed), my right hip was fractured in place - all by the seat belts and my left shoulder was dislocated. A fire started at the rear of the car and I couldn't get out - I could smell the fire and was conscious enough to try and get out but I couldn't move my arms. All I remember was somebody stopping and fortunately, much like me I might add, had a bottle fire extinguisher, got the fire out and after that I don't remember anything except for waking up in the UMASS ER. If somebody hadn't been prepared for a real emergency, I would have been a cripsy critter. I had to be cut out of the seatbelts I was told later. In my years as a volunteer Paramedic, I've seen really bad accidents where no seat belts were worn and nary an injury except for bumps and bruises. I've also seen as many with seat belts and nifty things like torn aortas, various broken bones, split spleens, etc. There is a big difference between a four/six point, tightly cinched racing safety harness and a shoulder harness in a private car. Don't get me started on air bags. That may be your experience Tom but far more meaningful statistic show otherwise. ;-) To use or not to use seatbelts should be a voluntary, individual choice, not mandated by law. RCE Some laws are written to protect the insane, e.g. helmet laws for motorcyclists. Without the law, some fools would actually ride without a helmet! -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** \ And also used to raise money. Buddies stopped at a diner in Oregon. Realized they could not see the bikes from the window. Moved them 200' to the other side of the building via the public street. TICKET as they did not put on the helmets. Tell me that is not just to raise money for the state? Another anecdotal piece of *evidence*. Some folks were fishing from a boat and were drinking Pepsi. They stopped at a waterfront cafe to have dinner docked the boat. They had 4 beers during dinner and realized they could not see their boat while at the table. One of them decided to move the boat closer and was stopped by a local officer for a sobriety test after hitting the boat in front of him. He was ticketed for DWI. Tell me that was not just to raise money for the State..............;-) |
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:18:16 -0400, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:55:08 -0400, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message m... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:48:39 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:58 GMT, Don White wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: What's the French Battle Cry? WE SURRENDER!!! http://tinyurl.com/ewtvo At least in France, you can smoke a cigar with your coffee and donuts and non-smokers are put where they belong - in the rear of the place near the kitchen door. :) Much more civilized here. We toss the smokers out on the street. You see them all winter, pathetically huddling on the sidewalk in front of major federal buildings drawing on their precious cigarettes. I've even seen patients out there dressed in the thin blue cotton robes and clutching their medical hardware. I don't smoke cigarettes... I am a civilized smoker - cigars - finest kind - Cuban cheroots... There's a difference. *Then again, you probably wear seatbelts...* :) It's the law..to wear seatbelts up here! Let's see now.....I abide by the law of the land by wearing seatbelts.......... You smoke Cuban cigars...which I believe is still against the law stateside???? mmmmmm! Probably do not speed either. I believe in seatbelts, as I used to race cars and walked away from a couple of majestic crashes. I don't believe in seatbelts and here's why. Eleven years ago now, I was rear ended by a flat nosed GMC delivery truck. He hit me so hard that my right shoulder was broken (the one that was recently fixed), my right hip was fractured in place - all by the seat belts and my left shoulder was dislocated. A fire started at the rear of the car and I couldn't get out - I could smell the fire and was conscious enough to try and get out but I couldn't move my arms. All I remember was somebody stopping and fortunately, much like me I might add, had a bottle fire extinguisher, got the fire out and after that I don't remember anything except for waking up in the UMASS ER. If somebody hadn't been prepared for a real emergency, I would have been a cripsy critter. I had to be cut out of the seatbelts I was told later. In my years as a volunteer Paramedic, I've seen really bad accidents where no seat belts were worn and nary an injury except for bumps and bruises. I've also seen as many with seat belts and nifty things like torn aortas, various broken bones, split spleens, etc. There is a big difference between a four/six point, tightly cinched racing safety harness and a shoulder harness in a private car. Don't get me started on air bags. That may be your experience Tom but far more meaningful statistic show otherwise. ;-) That's where you are wrong. The reporting requirements for seat belt use in accidents is to ask the occupants if they were wearing seat belts. 90% don't say no. Also, most seat belt accidents are at or under 25 mph - that's a fact. So if seat belt use it being over reported, the "stats" are bull****. Show me. ;-) That's just it - you can't. The nanny staters and insurance won't release the total information - only the parts that say that seat belts save lives. When you control the information, you control the results. So NHTSA, local/state police department and private agency reporting of accident data is controled by insurance company's? Seat belt laws are based on bull**** and skewed to high speed incidents rather than what the true results are. For every piece of data you post that shows that wearing seatbelts does not save lives I will post 2. You start. ;-) |
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:12:45 -0400, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote: Don't get me started on air bags. That may be your experience Tom but far more meaningful statistic show otherwise. ;-) That's where you are wrong. The reporting requirements for seat belt use in accidents is to ask the occupants if they were wearing seat belts. 90% don't say no. Also, most seat belt accidents are at or under 25 mph - that's a fact. So if seat belt use it being over reported, the "stats" are bull****. Show me. ;-) That's just it - you can't. The nanny staters and insurance won't release the total information - only the parts that say that seat belts save lives. When you control the information, you control the results. So NHTSA, local/state police department and private agency reporting of accident data is controled by insurance company's? Seat belt laws are based on bull**** and skewed to high speed incidents rather than what the true results are. For every piece of data you post that shows that wearing seatbelts does not save lives I will post 2. You start. ;-) No thanks - I don't argue with True Believers. As Perry Mason would say.............I rest my case. ;-) |
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "RCE" wrote in message ... "JohnH" wrote in message ... Some laws are written to protect the insane, e.g. helmet laws for motorcyclists. Without the law, some fools would actually ride without a helmet! -- Far fewer states require helmets for motorcyclists than those that require seat belt use. RCE Do you wear leather when you ride? Only on the very few occasions that I ride when it's 60 degrees or colder. Used to do more cold weather riding, but not much anymore. In really hot weather, like in Florida, I often wear shorts and a tee-shirt. And no helmet. RCE |
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"RCE" wrote in message ... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "RCE" wrote in message ... "JohnH" wrote in message ... Some laws are written to protect the insane, e.g. helmet laws for motorcyclists. Without the law, some fools would actually ride without a helmet! -- Far fewer states require helmets for motorcyclists than those that require seat belt use. RCE Do you wear leather when you ride? Only on the very few occasions that I ride when it's 60 degrees or colder. Used to do more cold weather riding, but not much anymore. In really hot weather, like in Florida, I often wear shorts and a tee-shirt. And no helmet. RCE As Perry Mason often said................I rest my case. ;-) |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... \ And also used to raise money. Buddies stopped at a diner in Oregon. Realized they could not see the bikes from the window. Moved them 200' to the other side of the building via the public street. TICKET as they did not put on the helmets. Tell me that is not just to raise money for the state? Like seat belts, I think wearing helmets on motorcycles should be encouraged but not mandatory by law, with the decision made by the individual. Motorcycle helmet laws originated with the federal government in 1967. States were pressured to enact helmet laws or risk becoming ineligible for certain federal safety program and highway construction funds. By 1975 all but three states had helmet laws. Congress voted to remove the federal pressure in 1978 and since then more than half of the states have eliminated universal helmet use requirements. Currently, 21 states have universal helmet use requirements. Several others have helmet requirements for riders and passengers in the 17-20 year old age group. Interesting. I use seat belts sometimes when I think I should and I wear a helmet when riding if the state I am in requires it, or otherwise I think I should. There are many times when, depending on where I am driving or riding and how I am driving or riding that I don't wear either. RCE |
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message . .. "RCE" wrote in message ... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "RCE" wrote in message ... "JohnH" wrote in message ... Some laws are written to protect the insane, e.g. helmet laws for motorcyclists. Without the law, some fools would actually ride without a helmet! -- Far fewer states require helmets for motorcyclists than those that require seat belt use. RCE Do you wear leather when you ride? Only on the very few occasions that I ride when it's 60 degrees or colder. Used to do more cold weather riding, but not much anymore. In really hot weather, like in Florida, I often wear shorts and a tee-shirt. And no helmet. RCE As Perry Mason often said................I rest my case. ;-) What "case"? Sounds more like a sermon to me. RCE |
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"RCE" wrote in message ... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message . .. "RCE" wrote in message ... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "RCE" wrote in message ... "JohnH" wrote in message ... Some laws are written to protect the insane, e.g. helmet laws for motorcyclists. Without the law, some fools would actually ride without a helmet! -- Far fewer states require helmets for motorcyclists than those that require seat belt use. RCE Do you wear leather when you ride? Only on the very few occasions that I ride when it's 60 degrees or colder. Used to do more cold weather riding, but not much anymore. In really hot weather, like in Florida, I often wear shorts and a tee-shirt. And no helmet. RCE As Perry Mason often said................I rest my case. ;-) What "case"? Sounds more like a sermon to me. RCE No sermon. No helmet. No leather. *Riding* in tee shirts and cut-offs. Reminds me of a Beach Boys song about riding Honda's on the beach.............. Have a good one Richard. No hard feelings, just stating my opinion as a *rider*. ;-) |
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "RCE" wrote in message ... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message . .. "RCE" wrote in message ... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "RCE" wrote in message ... "JohnH" wrote in message ... Some laws are written to protect the insane, e.g. helmet laws for motorcyclists. Without the law, some fools would actually ride without a helmet! -- Far fewer states require helmets for motorcyclists than those that require seat belt use. RCE Do you wear leather when you ride? Only on the very few occasions that I ride when it's 60 degrees or colder. Used to do more cold weather riding, but not much anymore. In really hot weather, like in Florida, I often wear shorts and a tee-shirt. And no helmet. RCE As Perry Mason often said................I rest my case. ;-) What "case"? Sounds more like a sermon to me. RCE No sermon. No helmet. No leather. *Riding* in tee shirts and cut-offs. Reminds me of a Beach Boys song about riding Honda's on the beach.............. Have a good one Richard. No hard feelings, just stating my opinion as a *rider*. ;-) Why should I care what your opinion of my riding habits are? I never asked you for them. If you notice, I am not critical of those who choose to wear seat belts or wear helmets. I am just opposed to government dictating our lives unnecessarily. You need to learn to pick your own nose instead of trying to pick everybody else's. RCE |
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"RCE" wrote in message ... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "RCE" wrote in message ... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message . .. "RCE" wrote in message ... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "RCE" wrote in message ... "JohnH" wrote in message ... Some laws are written to protect the insane, e.g. helmet laws for motorcyclists. Without the law, some fools would actually ride without a helmet! -- Far fewer states require helmets for motorcyclists than those that require seat belt use. RCE Do you wear leather when you ride? Only on the very few occasions that I ride when it's 60 degrees or colder. Used to do more cold weather riding, but not much anymore. In really hot weather, like in Florida, I often wear shorts and a tee-shirt. And no helmet. RCE As Perry Mason often said................I rest my case. ;-) What "case"? Sounds more like a sermon to me. RCE No sermon. No helmet. No leather. *Riding* in tee shirts and cut-offs. Reminds me of a Beach Boys song about riding Honda's on the beach.............. Have a good one Richard. No hard feelings, just stating my opinion as a *rider*. ;-) Why should I care what your opinion of my riding habits are? I never asked you for them. If you notice, I am not critical of those who choose to wear seat belts or wear helmets. I am just opposed to government dictating our lives unnecessarily. You need to learn to pick your own nose instead of trying to pick everybody else's. RCE Why do you once again want to turn this into a personal attack Richard? We disagree..............so what. Life goes on. |
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On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 22:14:08 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote: On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:11:24 -0400, JohnH wrote: Some laws are written to protect the insane, e.g. helmet laws for motorcyclists. Without the law, some fools would actually ride without a helmet! A recent highway census in CT showed that 80% of out of state transient riders didn't wear their helmet while on CT roads. 90% of instate riders didn't wear their helmets. It's not mandatory in CT. Says something about those folks riding in CT, doesn't it? Although, I'll admit it's probably not the 'macho' thing to do. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:22:22 -0400, "RCE" wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message .. . Some laws are written to protect the insane, e.g. helmet laws for motorcyclists. Without the law, some fools would actually ride without a helmet! -- Far fewer states require helmets for motorcyclists than those that require seat belt use. RCE Proof that some Harley owners have money! I wish the insurance companies would get involved. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:29:51 -0400, " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT
comREMOVETHIS wrote: "RCE" wrote in message ... "JohnH" wrote in message ... Some laws are written to protect the insane, e.g. helmet laws for motorcyclists. Without the law, some fools would actually ride without a helmet! -- Far fewer states require helmets for motorcyclists than those that require seat belt use. RCE Do you wear leather when you ride? Are you asking Rich or me? I wear a leather or an Aerostitch jacket, usually the Aerostitch with the padding. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:09:11 -0400, "RCE" wrote:
" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "RCE" wrote in message ... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message . .. "RCE" wrote in message ... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message ... "RCE" wrote in message ... "JohnH" wrote in message ... Some laws are written to protect the insane, e.g. helmet laws for motorcyclists. Without the law, some fools would actually ride without a helmet! -- Far fewer states require helmets for motorcyclists than those that require seat belt use. RCE Do you wear leather when you ride? Only on the very few occasions that I ride when it's 60 degrees or colder. Used to do more cold weather riding, but not much anymore. In really hot weather, like in Florida, I often wear shorts and a tee-shirt. And no helmet. RCE As Perry Mason often said................I rest my case. ;-) What "case"? Sounds more like a sermon to me. RCE No sermon. No helmet. No leather. *Riding* in tee shirts and cut-offs. Reminds me of a Beach Boys song about riding Honda's on the beach.............. Have a good one Richard. No hard feelings, just stating my opinion as a *rider*. ;-) Why should I care what your opinion of my riding habits are? I never asked you for them. If you notice, I am not critical of those who choose to wear seat belts or wear helmets. I am just opposed to government dictating our lives unnecessarily. You need to learn to pick your own nose instead of trying to pick everybody else's. RCE LOL! -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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