Chuck, how many senators voted for the Patriot Act? Thank God for the
elimination of collective bargaining rights for those folk.

John

1. A whalloping majority of Senators. Wasn't it 90-something? Interesting that
the first response of the government in a time of trauma was to curtail civil
rights.
What do we suppose would happen if the terrorists somehow "took over" the US?
Gosh, I bet we'd lose our civil rights.

2. Please get consistent. First, you try to pass off the Department of Homeland
Security as a Democratic conspiracy to increase the number of union jobs. Then,
you "thank God" that the Dept of Homeland Security has suspended collective
bargaining. Does it bother you in any way that you are being thankful for the
complete refuting of your earlier, erroneous, inflammatory and prejudicial
statement?

On 16 Aug 2003 16:42:01 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Chuck, how many senators voted for the Patriot Act? Thank God for the
elimination of collective bargaining rights for those folk.

John

1. A whalloping majority of Senators. Wasn't it 90-something? Interesting that
the first response of the government in a time of trauma was to curtail civil
rights.
What do we suppose would happen if the terrorists somehow "took over" the US?
Gosh, I bet we'd lose our civil rights.

2. Please get consistent. First, you try to pass off the Department of Homeland
Security as a Democratic conspiracy to increase the number of union jobs. Then,
you "thank God" that the Dept of Homeland Security has suspended collective
bargaining. Does it bother you in any way that you are being thankful for the
complete refuting of your earlier, erroneous, inflammatory and prejudicial
statement?

I believe 98 senators voted for the act. This number would include several
Democrats.

No, Chuck, I said, "I think federalizing the security folks was a
Democrat-pushed idea that the administration caved under." By this I meant the
federalizing of the thousands of screening personnel at the airports. Perhaps I
was unclear. I apologize. I think the Department of Homeland Security was a good
idea, as long as it consolidated and made more efficient the operations of the
agencies it subsumed.

I'm not sure to which '...earlier, erroneous, inflammatory and prejudicial
statement' you are referring. Please quote it for me, and I'll let you know if
I'm bothered.

Respectfully,

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

"JohnH" wrote in message
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No, Chuck, I said, "I think federalizing the security folks was a
Democrat-pushed idea that the administration caved under." By this I meant
the
federalizing of the thousands of screening personnel at the airports.
Perhaps I
was unclear. I apologize. I think the Department of Homeland Security was
a good
idea, as long as it consolidated and made more efficient the operations of
the
agencies it subsumed.

Bull****.

The privately hired screeners were overwhelmingly incompetent. What would
YOUR solution have been, if YOU were king of the world? Take the CEOs of the
private security companies out for a round of golf and make them buy dinner
afterward, to punish them for being such slobs???

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"JohnH" wrote in message
...


No, Chuck, I said, "I think federalizing the security folks was a
Democrat-pushed idea that the administration caved under." By this I
meant
the
federalizing of the thousands of screening personnel at the airports.
Perhaps I
was unclear. I apologize. I think the Department of Homeland Security
was
a good
idea, as long as it consolidated and made more efficient the operations
of
the
agencies it subsumed.

Bull****.

The privately hired screeners were overwhelmingly incompetent. What would
YOUR solution have been, if YOU were king of the world? Take the CEOs of
the
private security companies out for a round of golf and make them buy
dinner
afterward, to punish them for being such slobs???



Was a bad idea! They hired the same people that were "incompetent" for the
present federal jobs. And if you think that making the jobs federal
instilled competence, you have not flown since.
Bill

On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:54:30 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .


No, Chuck, I said, "I think federalizing the security folks was a
Democrat-pushed idea that the administration caved under." By this I meant
the
federalizing of the thousands of screening personnel at the airports.
Perhaps I
was unclear. I apologize. I think the Department of Homeland Security was
a good
idea, as long as it consolidated and made more efficient the operations of
the
agencies it subsumed.

Bull****.

The privately hired screeners were overwhelmingly incompetent. What would
YOUR solution have been, if YOU were king of the world? Take the CEOs of the
private security companies out for a round of golf and make them buy dinner
afterward, to punish them for being such slobs???

Were I king of the world - wow!

I would prevent the airplane from being used as a weapon. I would close the
(reinforced) cockpit doors and tell the flight crew to stay in the cockpit. We
would play the Israeli game. Pilots don't go back to save stewards. They fly the
plane.

I would attempt to stop only those weapons which could bring down the airplane.
This would include firearms, explosives, and rocket-propelled grenades (or their
equivalent). I would not waste my time with knives, box cutters, or any other
item which can be used as a weapon against only an individual. Individuals are
important, but no more so in the air than on the ground.

This would relieve the security personnel of the requirement to find each and
every little thing that can be used as a weapon against only individuals. Your
'incompetency' arguments were based primarily on news reports which should Joe
Lib taking forty-seven pairs of scissors and twelve box-cutters through
security.

The private security companies were not being held to any standards. Who
controlled them? I would have had no problems with the government becoming the
contracting officer and monitoring the security companies. Of course, this would
not have required doubling the strength of the AFGE.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD