Dan J.S. wrote:
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Driving home this evening, I listened to a local talk radio station
discussing the probable fuel prices during the next few months. They
kept referring to an article in USA Today that projected $4/gallon gas
prices (would probably run $5 at a fuel dock).

Anybody actually see this story and know the details?

I can't find it online- does anybody have a website address to check?


All we have to do is let Israel to do what it needs to do, and oil prices
will be back in check. This Iran BS is getting old.

Hate to break it to you, Dan, but the price of crude oil (i.e. the
price per bbl paid to the companies that are owned 51% by Iran and 49%
by Big Oil), has very little to do with the price per gallon you will
pay to fill your car or boat. Remember last year? Big Oil was crying
that it's profits were being squeezed by the price of crude oil and/or
damage from Katrina, (and/or liberal environmental obstructionists
opposing the planting drilling rigs in the middle of national parks or
siting refineries across the street from grade schools). In reality,
the net profits from the prices that were raised much higher and raised
much faster than costs were accumulating at a rate that has been
usurpassed in human history. When you're pumping $5 gas at the marina,
don't even begin to blame it on Iran.

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Dan J.S. wrote:
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Driving home this evening, I listened to a local talk radio station
discussing the probable fuel prices during the next few months. They
kept referring to an article in USA Today that projected $4/gallon gas
prices (would probably run $5 at a fuel dock).

Anybody actually see this story and know the details?

I can't find it online- does anybody have a website address to check?


All we have to do is let Israel to do what it needs to do, and oil prices
will be back in check. This Iran BS is getting old.

Hate to break it to you, Dan, but the price of crude oil (i.e. the
price per bbl paid to the companies that are owned 51% by Iran and 49%
by Big Oil), has very little to do with the price per gallon you will
pay to fill your car or boat. Remember last year? Big Oil was crying
that it's profits were being squeezed by the price of crude oil and/or
damage from Katrina, (and/or liberal environmental obstructionists
opposing the planting drilling rigs in the middle of national parks or
siting refineries across the street from grade schools). In reality,
the net profits from the prices that were raised much higher and raised
much faster than costs were accumulating at a rate that has been
usurpassed in human history. When you're pumping $5 gas at the marina,
don't even begin to blame it on Iran.


I hate to break it to you, but I sit in commodities daily, and about 10% of
the current $70 brent crude price is because of Iran. Futures markets are
out of control - and futures markets predict issues with Iran.

"Dan J.S." wrote in message
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I hate to break it to you, but I sit in commodities daily, and about 10%
of the current $70 brent crude price is because of Iran. Futures markets
are out of control - and futures markets predict issues with Iran.


In other words, they're driven by a bunch of suits who are guessing at what
could happen. The RICO statutes have been successfully stretched to include
a few odd situations. I wonder if they'd fit this situation.

.... Remember last year? Big Oil was crying
that it's profits were being squeezed by the price of crude oil and/or
damage from Katrina, (and/or liberal environmental obstructionists
opposing the planting drilling rigs in the middle of national parks or
siting refineries across the street from grade schools). In reality,
the net profits from the prices that were raised much higher and raised
much faster than costs were accumulating at a rate that has been
usurpassed in human history.

I think the headline "Continued Record Profits for Oil
Companies" says it all.


Dan J.S. wrote:
I hate to break it to you, but I sit in commodities daily, and about 10% of
the current $70 brent crude price is because of Iran. Futures markets are
out of control - and futures markets predict issues with Iran.


Well, why didn't President Bush and Vice President Cheney
pay any attention to those people (who turned out to be
right) who advised them
1- U.S. energy policy should trend toward reduced dependence
on oil imports and
2- a rational policy towards Iran to increase the influence
of the growing middle class and moderates?

Instead, the Bush Administration's energy policy has been
kept top secret (guess why) and has been a train wreck for
everybody excet the oil companies. Their policies toward
Iran have pushed toward nuclear brinksmanship.

But hey, it's really the fault of all those libby-rull fag
traitors! Gotta be their fault!

What the oil futures market really predicts is that the U.S
will continue to act very stupidly and short-sightedly, and
that in a year or two it will be obvious that we've passed
the Hubbert Peak some time past.

DSK

On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:23:54 -0400, DSK wrote:

.... Remember last year? Big Oil was crying
that it's profits were being squeezed by the price of crude oil and/or
damage from Katrina, (and/or liberal environmental obstructionists
opposing the planting drilling rigs in the middle of national parks or
siting refineries across the street from grade schools). In reality,
the net profits from the prices that were raised much higher and raised
much faster than costs were accumulating at a rate that has been
usurpassed in human history.

I think the headline "Continued Record Profits for Oil
Companies" says it all.


Dan J.S. wrote:
I hate to break it to you, but I sit in commodities daily, and about 10% of
the current $70 brent crude price is because of Iran. Futures markets are
out of control - and futures markets predict issues with Iran.


Well, why didn't President Bush and Vice President Cheney
pay any attention to those people (who turned out to be
right) who advised them
1- U.S. energy policy should trend toward reduced dependence
on oil imports and
2- a rational policy towards Iran to increase the influence
of the growing middle class and moderates?

Instead, the Bush Administration's energy policy has been
kept top secret (guess why) and has been a train wreck for
everybody excet the oil companies. Their policies toward
Iran have pushed toward nuclear brinksmanship.

But hey, it's really the fault of all those libby-rull fag
traitors! Gotta be their fault!

What the oil futures market really predicts is that the U.S
will continue to act very stupidly and short-sightedly, and
that in a year or two it will be obvious that we've passed
the Hubbert Peak some time past.

DSK

Wrong group.
--
'Til next time,

John H

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***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
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Dan J.S. wrote:
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Dan J.S. wrote:
wrote in message
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Driving home this evening, I listened to a local talk radio station
discussing the probable fuel prices during the next few months. They
kept referring to an article in USA Today that projected $4/gallon gas
prices (would probably run $5 at a fuel dock).

Anybody actually see this story and know the details?

I can't find it online- does anybody have a website address to check?


All we have to do is let Israel to do what it needs to do, and oil prices
will be back in check. This Iran BS is getting old.

Hate to break it to you, Dan, but the price of crude oil (i.e. the
price per bbl paid to the companies that are owned 51% by Iran and 49%
by Big Oil), has very little to do with the price per gallon you will
pay to fill your car or boat. Remember last year? Big Oil was crying
that it's profits were being squeezed by the price of crude oil and/or
damage from Katrina, (and/or liberal environmental obstructionists
opposing the planting drilling rigs in the middle of national parks or
siting refineries across the street from grade schools). In reality,
the net profits from the prices that were raised much higher and raised
much faster than costs were accumulating at a rate that has been
usurpassed in human history. When you're pumping $5 gas at the marina,
don't even begin to blame it on Iran.


I hate to break it to you, but I sit in commodities daily, and about 10% of
the current $70 brent crude price is because of Iran. Futures markets are
out of control - and futures markets predict issues with Iran.

So the price of raw material is up about 10-15% from last winter. That
ought to adequately explain a 30-50% price increase at retail. :-)
(Sadly however, for just about enough of us it does). As far as the oil
companies are concerned, there is no "Iranian crisis", just a
convenient "Iranian excuse."

Hate to break it to you, Dan, but the price of crude oil (i.e. the
price per bbl paid to the companies that are owned 51% by Iran and 49%
by Big Oil), has very little to do with the price per gallon you will
pay to fill your car or boat. Remember last year? Big Oil was crying
that it's profits were being squeezed by the price of crude oil and/or
damage from Katrina, (and/or liberal environmental obstructionists
opposing the planting drilling rigs in the middle of national parks or
siting refineries across the street from grade schools). In reality,
the net profits from the prices that were raised much higher and raised
much faster than costs were accumulating at a rate that has been
usurpassed in human history. When you're pumping $5 gas at the marina,
don't even begin to blame it on Iran.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060417/...e/oil_prices_2

Crude oil rose to $70 a barrel in Asian electronic trading Monday, driven by
concerns over declining gasoline stocks in the United States and Iran's
nuclear standoff with the international community.

Dan J.S. wrote:
Hate to break it to you, Dan, but the price of crude oil (i.e. the
price per bbl paid to the companies that are owned 51% by Iran and 49%
by Big Oil), has very little to do with the price per gallon you will
pay to fill your car or boat. Remember last year? Big Oil was crying
that it's profits were being squeezed by the price of crude oil and/or
damage from Katrina, (and/or liberal environmental obstructionists
opposing the planting drilling rigs in the middle of national parks or
siting refineries across the street from grade schools). In reality,
the net profits from the prices that were raised much higher and raised
much faster than costs were accumulating at a rate that has been
usurpassed in human history. When you're pumping $5 gas at the marina,
don't even begin to blame it on Iran.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060417/...e/oil_prices_2

Crude oil rose to $70 a barrel in Asian electronic trading Monday, drivenby
concerns over declining gasoline stocks in the United States and Iran's
nuclear standoff with the international community.

From a petroleum industry website:

42 gallons per barrel makes about 19½ gallons of gasoline, 9 gallons
of fuel oil, 4 gallons of jet fuel, and 11 gallons of other products,
including lubricants, kerosene, asphalt, and petrochemical feedstocks
to make plastics. That adds up to more than 42 gallons because of
something called "refinery gain" - the processing and chemical changes
increase the volume.

****
So, let's see how good my math skills are. Let's say the petroluem
industry decides to pass on the *entire cost* of increased crude oil to
the gasoline consumer, and does not
increase the price of jet fuel, diesel, kerosene, etc. (yeah, right).
But let's just say......

For every ten buck increase in the price of a barrel of oil, if the
*entire* increase is being passed along to the consumers of gasoline,
(and it isn't) the price of the raw material used to refine gasoline
goes up 51-cents a gallon. In reality, the costs recovered from jet
fuel, diesel, asphalt, etc (products which, combined, constitute the
majority of the yield from a barrel of oil) probably knock the amount
that the oil companies really *need* to offset a $10 per bbl increase
in the price of oil down to something around 25-30 cents per gallon of
gas.

When crude hits $80 a gallon, (and the good ol' boys from Texas will be
charging dime for dime the same price as the Sheiks of Araby), anybody
want to bet that gas prices will only be 25-30 cents per gallon more
than they are right now at $70 a bbl? (I didn't think so).

Once again, the price of crude oil has very little to do with the
amount you will be paying to fill up your boat and/or your tow vehicle
in the coming months. Gas prices are as high as they are simply
"because they can," and the boating industry and pastime is being
negatively impacted by sheer greed among the petro people.

"Because they can" EXACTLY! There's no other reason in a nutshell.

Ray


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Dan J.S. wrote:
Hate to break it to you, Dan, but the price of crude oil (i.e. the
price per bbl paid to the companies that are owned 51% by Iran and 49%
by Big Oil), has very little to do with the price per gallon you will
pay to fill your car or boat. Remember last year? Big Oil was crying
that it's profits were being squeezed by the price of crude oil and/or
damage from Katrina, (and/or liberal environmental obstructionists
opposing the planting drilling rigs in the middle of national parks or
siting refineries across the street from grade schools). In reality,
the net profits from the prices that were raised much higher and raised
much faster than costs were accumulating at a rate that has been
usurpassed in human history. When you're pumping $5 gas at the marina,
don't even begin to blame it on Iran.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060417/...e/oil_prices_2

Crude oil rose to $70 a barrel in Asian electronic trading Monday, driven
by
concerns over declining gasoline stocks in the United States and Iran's
nuclear standoff with the international community.

From a petroleum industry website:

42 gallons per barrel makes about 19½ gallons of gasoline, 9 gallons
of fuel oil, 4 gallons of jet fuel, and 11 gallons of other products,
including lubricants, kerosene, asphalt, and petrochemical feedstocks
to make plastics. That adds up to more than 42 gallons because of
something called "refinery gain" - the processing and chemical changes
increase the volume.

****
So, let's see how good my math skills are. Let's say the petroluem
industry decides to pass on the *entire cost* of increased crude oil to
the gasoline consumer, and does not
increase the price of jet fuel, diesel, kerosene, etc. (yeah, right).
But let's just say......

For every ten buck increase in the price of a barrel of oil, if the
*entire* increase is being passed along to the consumers of gasoline,
(and it isn't) the price of the raw material used to refine gasoline
goes up 51-cents a gallon. In reality, the costs recovered from jet
fuel, diesel, asphalt, etc (products which, combined, constitute the
majority of the yield from a barrel of oil) probably knock the amount
that the oil companies really *need* to offset a $10 per bbl increase
in the price of oil down to something around 25-30 cents per gallon of
gas.

When crude hits $80 a gallon, (and the good ol' boys from Texas will be
charging dime for dime the same price as the Sheiks of Araby), anybody
want to bet that gas prices will only be 25-30 cents per gallon more
than they are right now at $70 a bbl? (I didn't think so).

Once again, the price of crude oil has very little to do with the
amount you will be paying to fill up your boat and/or your tow vehicle
in the coming months. Gas prices are as high as they are simply
"because they can," and the boating industry and pastime is being
negatively impacted by sheer greed among the petro people.