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CalifBill April 14th 06 07:19 PM

Anybody see the USA Today fuel price predictions?
 

"jps" wrote in message
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"-rick-" wrote in message
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CalifBill wrote:
Someone who was not a nutcase dictator. And he fixed the election.
Do a
little research. May be his local opposition that ice's him.

Chavez or Bush?

Chavez and the DNC both fixed elections. Bush was very beatable,
probably
the most beatable incumbant in history. But the DNC blesses Kerry as
the
Dem's candidate? Had to be a fix to lose the election.

Boy, even in hindsight your vision is foggy.

jps


Why do you say that? You think Kerry was a good choice? Best Choice in
your view?


If you bother to think back for a moment, you will remember that Kerry
came blazing to the forefront in Iowa -- not because of what the DNC did
but because people there (and lots of other places) thought that his
military service and heroism would counteract the "war president."

I thought so too but I wanted the primary races to remain competitive
for many more weeks into the year, for fear that Kerry would dive to the
middle as soon as Dean's chances faded.

Of course, that's exactly what happened. Kerry dove to the middle and
lost all his luster.

That, and the little dirty tricks launched by the Swift Boaters.

Jog your memory at all?

jps


Did you prove the swift boaters wrong? 3 purple hearts and out. 3 minor
owies and he is out. Very liberal politics. You like that part, but most
people don't and most people saw though the Viet Nam crap. Is was a rear
runner, but all the sudden he surges to the front. How much DNC money went
his way? And you look at the field the Democratic Party supported. None
outstanding, let alone very good. How about Lieberman? He might of won if
they had thrown money his way. I think the country will even igore that he
is Jewish. Same was said for a Catholic candidate in 1960. Dean, just look
at his actions as head of the Dem's now to see how incompetant he is. Worst
thing Lieberman did, was tie his star to the coat tails of Gore. As you see
Gore is not the choice of the people. They see him as an indecisive idiot,
with no back bone to stand up and say the POTUS is wrong, when he is
associated with the POTUS.



CalifBill April 14th 06 07:21 PM

Anybody see the USA Today fuel price predictions?
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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CalifBill wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 06:37:22 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 12 Apr 2006 21:59:25 -0700, "
wrote:

Driving home this evening, I listened to a local talk radio
station
discussing the probable fuel prices during the next few months.
They
kept referring to an article in USA Today that projected $4/gallon
gas
prices (would probably run $5 at a fuel dock).

Anybody actually see this story and know the details?

I can't find it online- does anybody have a website address to
check?
Self-fulfilling prophecy. This is a market driven by speculation
and
insider information.

I saw the article yesterday and just put it away. Watching CNBC
yesterday, you had prices going from $2.62 to $6 a gallon.

My guess is it will hit a high around $2,90 and settle back once
the
refineries come back on-line.
Hugo Chavez says $50 a barrel for oil is sufficient.
Unfortunately, Hugo Chaves doesn't control the price of oil. I know
he likes to think he does, but he doesn't.
He's a cool dude.
He'll be a cold dude soon. Ice cold.


Oh, puh-lease. One of the best attributes of Chavez is that he gives
Bush and the neo-convicts fits. What could be better?


Someone who was not a nutcase dictator. And he fixed the election. Do a
little research. May be his local opposition that ice's him.


He "fixed" the election? I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked. Why, that would
never happen here in a presidential election!


Did not say it would not happen in a Presidential Election. Look at what
Perot did. At least they did not ban opposition parties as Venezuela did.



JimH April 14th 06 11:09 PM

Anybody see the USA Today fuel price predictions?
 

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oups.com...
Driving home this evening, I listened to a local talk radio station
discussing the probable fuel prices during the next few months. They
kept referring to an article in USA Today that projected $4/gallon gas
prices (would probably run $5 at a fuel dock).

Anybody actually see this story and know the details?

I can't find it online- does anybody have a website address to check?


I went to the marina today to drop the boat off so they could take it off
the trailer and onto a 3 point stand.....I need to epoxy barrier coat and
bottom coat (it was it was always trailered before). On the way there I
gassed it up at a local station at $2.74/gallon (I did not top it off last
fall thinking gas prices would fall).

After the boat was put onto the blocks/jack stands I checked the gas price
at the dock and it was $2.98......must be last years gas. At least some
marina's do not jump on the gas price gouging bandwagon when the opportunity
arises and only raise prices when justified by a new shipment of gas. ;-)



Dan J.S. April 17th 06 02:23 AM

Anybody see the USA Today fuel price predictions?
 

wrote in message
oups.com...
Driving home this evening, I listened to a local talk radio station
discussing the probable fuel prices during the next few months. They
kept referring to an article in USA Today that projected $4/gallon gas
prices (would probably run $5 at a fuel dock).

Anybody actually see this story and know the details?

I can't find it online- does anybody have a website address to check?


All we have to do is let Israel to do what it needs to do, and oil prices
will be back in check. This Iran BS is getting old.



Doug Kanter April 17th 06 02:39 AM

Anybody see the USA Today fuel price predictions?
 

"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...

wrote in message
oups.com...
Driving home this evening, I listened to a local talk radio station
discussing the probable fuel prices during the next few months. They
kept referring to an article in USA Today that projected $4/gallon gas
prices (would probably run $5 at a fuel dock).

Anybody actually see this story and know the details?

I can't find it online- does anybody have a website address to check?


All we have to do is let Israel to do what it needs to do, and oil prices
will be back in check. This Iran BS is getting old.


What does Israel need to do?



[email protected] April 17th 06 03:58 AM

Anybody see the USA Today fuel price predictions?
 

Dan J.S. wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
Driving home this evening, I listened to a local talk radio station
discussing the probable fuel prices during the next few months. They
kept referring to an article in USA Today that projected $4/gallon gas
prices (would probably run $5 at a fuel dock).

Anybody actually see this story and know the details?

I can't find it online- does anybody have a website address to check?


All we have to do is let Israel to do what it needs to do, and oil prices
will be back in check. This Iran BS is getting old.


Hate to break it to you, Dan, but the price of crude oil (i.e. the
price per bbl paid to the companies that are owned 51% by Iran and 49%
by Big Oil), has very little to do with the price per gallon you will
pay to fill your car or boat. Remember last year? Big Oil was crying
that it's profits were being squeezed by the price of crude oil and/or
damage from Katrina, (and/or liberal environmental obstructionists
opposing the planting drilling rigs in the middle of national parks or
siting refineries across the street from grade schools). In reality,
the net profits from the prices that were raised much higher and raised
much faster than costs were accumulating at a rate that has been
usurpassed in human history. When you're pumping $5 gas at the marina,
don't even begin to blame it on Iran.


Dan J.S. April 17th 06 05:00 AM

Anybody see the USA Today fuel price predictions?
 

wrote in message
oups.com...

Dan J.S. wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
Driving home this evening, I listened to a local talk radio station
discussing the probable fuel prices during the next few months. They
kept referring to an article in USA Today that projected $4/gallon gas
prices (would probably run $5 at a fuel dock).

Anybody actually see this story and know the details?

I can't find it online- does anybody have a website address to check?


All we have to do is let Israel to do what it needs to do, and oil prices
will be back in check. This Iran BS is getting old.


Hate to break it to you, Dan, but the price of crude oil (i.e. the
price per bbl paid to the companies that are owned 51% by Iran and 49%
by Big Oil), has very little to do with the price per gallon you will
pay to fill your car or boat. Remember last year? Big Oil was crying
that it's profits were being squeezed by the price of crude oil and/or
damage from Katrina, (and/or liberal environmental obstructionists
opposing the planting drilling rigs in the middle of national parks or
siting refineries across the street from grade schools). In reality,
the net profits from the prices that were raised much higher and raised
much faster than costs were accumulating at a rate that has been
usurpassed in human history. When you're pumping $5 gas at the marina,
don't even begin to blame it on Iran.


I hate to break it to you, but I sit in commodities daily, and about 10% of
the current $70 brent crude price is because of Iran. Futures markets are
out of control - and futures markets predict issues with Iran.



Dan J.S. April 17th 06 05:03 AM

Anybody see the USA Today fuel price predictions?
 

Hate to break it to you, Dan, but the price of crude oil (i.e. the
price per bbl paid to the companies that are owned 51% by Iran and 49%
by Big Oil), has very little to do with the price per gallon you will
pay to fill your car or boat. Remember last year? Big Oil was crying
that it's profits were being squeezed by the price of crude oil and/or
damage from Katrina, (and/or liberal environmental obstructionists
opposing the planting drilling rigs in the middle of national parks or
siting refineries across the street from grade schools). In reality,
the net profits from the prices that were raised much higher and raised
much faster than costs were accumulating at a rate that has been
usurpassed in human history. When you're pumping $5 gas at the marina,
don't even begin to blame it on Iran.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060417/...e/oil_prices_2

Crude oil rose to $70 a barrel in Asian electronic trading Monday, driven by
concerns over declining gasoline stocks in the United States and Iran's
nuclear standoff with the international community.




Doug Kanter April 17th 06 12:46 PM

Anybody see the USA Today fuel price predictions?
 
"Dan J.S." wrote in message
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I hate to break it to you, but I sit in commodities daily, and about 10%
of the current $70 brent crude price is because of Iran. Futures markets
are out of control - and futures markets predict issues with Iran.



In other words, they're driven by a bunch of suits who are guessing at what
could happen. The RICO statutes have been successfully stretched to include
a few odd situations. I wonder if they'd fit this situation.



Doug Kanter April 17th 06 01:35 PM

Anybody see the USA Today fuel price predictions?
 
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...
wrote in message
oups.com...
Driving home this evening, I listened to a local talk radio station
discussing the probable fuel prices during the next few months. They
kept referring to an article in USA Today that projected $4/gallon gas
prices (would probably run $5 at a fuel dock).

Anybody actually see this story and know the details?

I can't find it online- does anybody have a website address to check?

All we have to do is let Israel to do what it needs to do, and oil
prices will be back in check. This Iran BS is getting old.


What does Israel need to do?


Share Dan's bong? :}


Shhhh.....don't distract him. Maybe he'll tell us what Israel needs to do.
But, I suspect he'll stick with his game, which is popular around he Make
unspoken suggestions as if he were a CIA station chief speaking to covert
operatives in a dark coffee shop in Istanbul. Wink...wink....go take care of
it. A spy wannabe.

At least NOYB comes right out and says it, even though only a total idiot
would even consider "it".



DSK April 17th 06 02:23 PM

Anybody see the USA Today fuel price predictions?
 
.... Remember last year? Big Oil was crying
that it's profits were being squeezed by the price of crude oil and/or
damage from Katrina, (and/or liberal environmental obstructionists
opposing the planting drilling rigs in the middle of national parks or
siting refineries across the street from grade schools). In reality,
the net profits from the prices that were raised much higher and raised
much faster than costs were accumulating at a rate that has been
usurpassed in human history.


I think the headline "Continued Record Profits for Oil
Companies" says it all.


Dan J.S. wrote:
I hate to break it to you, but I sit in commodities daily, and about 10% of
the current $70 brent crude price is because of Iran. Futures markets are
out of control - and futures markets predict issues with Iran.


Well, why didn't President Bush and Vice President Cheney
pay any attention to those people (who turned out to be
right) who advised them
1- U.S. energy policy should trend toward reduced dependence
on oil imports and
2- a rational policy towards Iran to increase the influence
of the growing middle class and moderates?

Instead, the Bush Administration's energy policy has been
kept top secret (guess why) and has been a train wreck for
everybody excet the oil companies. Their policies toward
Iran have pushed toward nuclear brinksmanship.

But hey, it's really the fault of all those libby-rull fag
traitors! Gotta be their fault!

What the oil futures market really predicts is that the U.S
will continue to act very stupidly and short-sightedly, and
that in a year or two it will be obvious that we've passed
the Hubbert Peak some time past.

DSK


[email protected] April 17th 06 04:48 PM

Anybody see the USA Today fuel price predictions?
 

Dan J.S. wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

Dan J.S. wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
Driving home this evening, I listened to a local talk radio station
discussing the probable fuel prices during the next few months. They
kept referring to an article in USA Today that projected $4/gallon gas
prices (would probably run $5 at a fuel dock).

Anybody actually see this story and know the details?

I can't find it online- does anybody have a website address to check?


All we have to do is let Israel to do what it needs to do, and oil prices
will be back in check. This Iran BS is getting old.


Hate to break it to you, Dan, but the price of crude oil (i.e. the
price per bbl paid to the companies that are owned 51% by Iran and 49%
by Big Oil), has very little to do with the price per gallon you will
pay to fill your car or boat. Remember last year? Big Oil was crying
that it's profits were being squeezed by the price of crude oil and/or
damage from Katrina, (and/or liberal environmental obstructionists
opposing the planting drilling rigs in the middle of national parks or
siting refineries across the street from grade schools). In reality,
the net profits from the prices that were raised much higher and raised
much faster than costs were accumulating at a rate that has been
usurpassed in human history. When you're pumping $5 gas at the marina,
don't even begin to blame it on Iran.


I hate to break it to you, but I sit in commodities daily, and about 10% of
the current $70 brent crude price is because of Iran. Futures markets are
out of control - and futures markets predict issues with Iran.


So the price of raw material is up about 10-15% from last winter. That
ought to adequately explain a 30-50% price increase at retail. :-)
(Sadly however, for just about enough of us it does). As far as the oil
companies are concerned, there is no "Iranian crisis", just a
convenient "Iranian excuse."


JohnH April 17th 06 05:38 PM

Anybody see the USA Today fuel price predictions?
 
On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:23:54 -0400, DSK wrote:

.... Remember last year? Big Oil was crying
that it's profits were being squeezed by the price of crude oil and/or
damage from Katrina, (and/or liberal environmental obstructionists
opposing the planting drilling rigs in the middle of national parks or
siting refineries across the street from grade schools). In reality,
the net profits from the prices that were raised much higher and raised
much faster than costs were accumulating at a rate that has been
usurpassed in human history.


I think the headline "Continued Record Profits for Oil
Companies" says it all.


Dan J.S. wrote:
I hate to break it to you, but I sit in commodities daily, and about 10% of
the current $70 brent crude price is because of Iran. Futures markets are
out of control - and futures markets predict issues with Iran.


Well, why didn't President Bush and Vice President Cheney
pay any attention to those people (who turned out to be
right) who advised them
1- U.S. energy policy should trend toward reduced dependence
on oil imports and
2- a rational policy towards Iran to increase the influence
of the growing middle class and moderates?

Instead, the Bush Administration's energy policy has been
kept top secret (guess why) and has been a train wreck for
everybody excet the oil companies. Their policies toward
Iran have pushed toward nuclear brinksmanship.

But hey, it's really the fault of all those libby-rull fag
traitors! Gotta be their fault!

What the oil futures market really predicts is that the U.S
will continue to act very stupidly and short-sightedly, and
that in a year or two it will be obvious that we've passed
the Hubbert Peak some time past.

DSK


Wrong group.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

[email protected] April 17th 06 06:55 PM

Anybody see the USA Today fuel price predictions?
 

Dan J.S. wrote:
Hate to break it to you, Dan, but the price of crude oil (i.e. the
price per bbl paid to the companies that are owned 51% by Iran and 49%
by Big Oil), has very little to do with the price per gallon you will
pay to fill your car or boat. Remember last year? Big Oil was crying
that it's profits were being squeezed by the price of crude oil and/or
damage from Katrina, (and/or liberal environmental obstructionists
opposing the planting drilling rigs in the middle of national parks or
siting refineries across the street from grade schools). In reality,
the net profits from the prices that were raised much higher and raised
much faster than costs were accumulating at a rate that has been
usurpassed in human history. When you're pumping $5 gas at the marina,
don't even begin to blame it on Iran.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060417/...e/oil_prices_2

Crude oil rose to $70 a barrel in Asian electronic trading Monday, drivenby
concerns over declining gasoline stocks in the United States and Iran's
nuclear standoff with the international community.


From a petroleum industry website:


42 gallons per barrel makes about 19½ gallons of gasoline, 9 gallons
of fuel oil, 4 gallons of jet fuel, and 11 gallons of other products,
including lubricants, kerosene, asphalt, and petrochemical feedstocks
to make plastics. That adds up to more than 42 gallons because of
something called "refinery gain" - the processing and chemical changes
increase the volume.

****
So, let's see how good my math skills are. Let's say the petroluem
industry decides to pass on the *entire cost* of increased crude oil to
the gasoline consumer, and does not
increase the price of jet fuel, diesel, kerosene, etc. (yeah, right).
But let's just say......

For every ten buck increase in the price of a barrel of oil, if the
*entire* increase is being passed along to the consumers of gasoline,
(and it isn't) the price of the raw material used to refine gasoline
goes up 51-cents a gallon. In reality, the costs recovered from jet
fuel, diesel, asphalt, etc (products which, combined, constitute the
majority of the yield from a barrel of oil) probably knock the amount
that the oil companies really *need* to offset a $10 per bbl increase
in the price of oil down to something around 25-30 cents per gallon of
gas.

When crude hits $80 a gallon, (and the good ol' boys from Texas will be
charging dime for dime the same price as the Sheiks of Araby), anybody
want to bet that gas prices will only be 25-30 cents per gallon more
than they are right now at $70 a bbl? (I didn't think so).

Once again, the price of crude oil has very little to do with the
amount you will be paying to fill up your boat and/or your tow vehicle
in the coming months. Gas prices are as high as they are simply
"because they can," and the boating industry and pastime is being
negatively impacted by sheer greed among the petro people.


RayB April 17th 06 08:58 PM

Anybody see the USA Today fuel price predictions?
 
"Because they can" EXACTLY! There's no other reason in a nutshell.

Ray


wrote in message
oups.com...

Dan J.S. wrote:
Hate to break it to you, Dan, but the price of crude oil (i.e. the
price per bbl paid to the companies that are owned 51% by Iran and 49%
by Big Oil), has very little to do with the price per gallon you will
pay to fill your car or boat. Remember last year? Big Oil was crying
that it's profits were being squeezed by the price of crude oil and/or
damage from Katrina, (and/or liberal environmental obstructionists
opposing the planting drilling rigs in the middle of national parks or
siting refineries across the street from grade schools). In reality,
the net profits from the prices that were raised much higher and raised
much faster than costs were accumulating at a rate that has been
usurpassed in human history. When you're pumping $5 gas at the marina,
don't even begin to blame it on Iran.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060417/...e/oil_prices_2

Crude oil rose to $70 a barrel in Asian electronic trading Monday, driven
by
concerns over declining gasoline stocks in the United States and Iran's
nuclear standoff with the international community.


From a petroleum industry website:


42 gallons per barrel makes about 19½ gallons of gasoline, 9 gallons
of fuel oil, 4 gallons of jet fuel, and 11 gallons of other products,
including lubricants, kerosene, asphalt, and petrochemical feedstocks
to make plastics. That adds up to more than 42 gallons because of
something called "refinery gain" - the processing and chemical changes
increase the volume.

****
So, let's see how good my math skills are. Let's say the petroluem
industry decides to pass on the *entire cost* of increased crude oil to
the gasoline consumer, and does not
increase the price of jet fuel, diesel, kerosene, etc. (yeah, right).
But let's just say......

For every ten buck increase in the price of a barrel of oil, if the
*entire* increase is being passed along to the consumers of gasoline,
(and it isn't) the price of the raw material used to refine gasoline
goes up 51-cents a gallon. In reality, the costs recovered from jet
fuel, diesel, asphalt, etc (products which, combined, constitute the
majority of the yield from a barrel of oil) probably knock the amount
that the oil companies really *need* to offset a $10 per bbl increase
in the price of oil down to something around 25-30 cents per gallon of
gas.

When crude hits $80 a gallon, (and the good ol' boys from Texas will be
charging dime for dime the same price as the Sheiks of Araby), anybody
want to bet that gas prices will only be 25-30 cents per gallon more
than they are right now at $70 a bbl? (I didn't think so).

Once again, the price of crude oil has very little to do with the
amount you will be paying to fill up your boat and/or your tow vehicle
in the coming months. Gas prices are as high as they are simply
"because they can," and the boating industry and pastime is being
negatively impacted by sheer greed among the petro people.




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