Hans wrote:
On 12 Apr 2006 07:05:26 -0700, "basskisser"
wrote:


Calif Bill wrote:
"Bryan" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m...9/ixworld.html


Feel free to join the previous cluster **** on this same subject, begun
by your clone, Bert. :-)


Maybe your son will learn something when he travels Europe.



What's in Europe that his son might learn (seriously, not trying to get
between you and Doug)?


His son is going to Europe on a school trip. And travel is supposed to
broaden your horizons. His mind is made up that the global warming is man
caused. Will not consider that the earth is always heating and cooling and
it may be mother nature and not just man. Why is Mars also warming at the
same time? Mars Rovers?

You do realize, don't you, Bill, that the warming is happening at a
pace that hasn't happened before? And you also realize, that just
because there is a cyclic warming and cooling that is astronomy based,
doesn't mean that man hasn't had a profound influence on that warming,
don't you?


Some questions for you.

Why did the Norse have something like a 100 years of successful
farming in Greenland on fields that are now tundra?

Uh, I never, ever said that there is no cyclic global warming/cooling
trends.

What percentage of C02 is "man made" What percentage is naturally
occurring?

Doesn't matter. The earth can take what is naturally occuring, and keep
things in balance. But, there's a saturation point, just like with most
things.

What has happened with the world's average temperature since the late
90s?

It's risen: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/ftpdata/tavegl2v.dat

Who has less integrity? A group of scientists attempting to enhance
funding by using scare tactics. Or a Washington lobbyist opposing
universal heath care?

A Washington lobbyist.
Hint: whenever a group of scientist agree on anything it is because
there is funding available and has nothing to do with any major
truths being discovered.

Horse****.

On 17 Apr 2006 06:22:36 -0700, "basskisser"
wrote:


Hans wrote:
On 12 Apr 2006 07:05:26 -0700, "basskisser"
wrote:


Calif Bill wrote:
"Bryan" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m...9/ixworld.html


Feel free to join the previous cluster **** on this same subject, begun
by your clone, Bert. :-)


Maybe your son will learn something when he travels Europe.



What's in Europe that his son might learn (seriously, not trying to get
between you and Doug)?


His son is going to Europe on a school trip. And travel is supposed to
broaden your horizons. His mind is made up that the global warming is man
caused. Will not consider that the earth is always heating and cooling and
it may be mother nature and not just man. Why is Mars also warming at the
same time? Mars Rovers?

You do realize, don't you, Bill, that the warming is happening at a
pace that hasn't happened before? And you also realize, that just
because there is a cyclic warming and cooling that is astronomy based,
doesn't mean that man hasn't had a profound influence on that warming,
don't you?


Some questions for you.

Why did the Norse have something like a 100 years of successful
farming in Greenland on fields that are now tundra?

Uh, I never, ever said that there is no cyclic global warming/cooling
trends.


What percentage of C02 is "man made" What percentage is naturally
occurring?

Doesn't matter. The earth can take what is naturally occuring, and keep
things in balance. But, there's a saturation point, just like with most
things.

Keep what in balance? What is the saturation point?
And it does matter. If 99% of the CO2 is naturally occurring the
world's economics could come to screaming halt and it would make
little or no difference.

What has happened with the world's average temperature since the late
90s?

It's risen: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/ftpdata/tavegl2v.dat

The chart has no headers or delimiters. I have no idea what the values
mean.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m...9/ixworld.html

Consider the simple fact, drawn from the official temperature records
of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, that
for the years 1998-2005 global average temperature did not increase
(there was actually a slight decrease, though not at a rate that
differs significantly from zero).



Who has less integrity? A group of scientists attempting to enhance
funding by using scare tactics. Or a Washington lobbyist opposing
universal heath care?

A Washington lobbyist.
Hint: whenever a group of scientist agree on anything it is because
there is funding available and has nothing to do with any major
truths being discovered.

Horse****.


Obviously you haven't sat on a funding review board for sponsored
research. Some of the tactics I have seen employed would put a King's
Cross hooker to shame.



--This space available for a really clever sig

Hans wrote:
On 17 Apr 2006 06:22:36 -0700, "basskisser"
wrote:


Hans wrote:
On 12 Apr 2006 07:05:26 -0700, "basskisser"
wrote:


Calif Bill wrote:
"Bryan" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m...9/ixworld.html


Feel free to join the previous cluster **** on this same subject, begun
by your clone, Bert. :-)


Maybe your son will learn something when he travels Europe.



What's in Europe that his son might learn (seriously, not trying to get
between you and Doug)?


His son is going to Europe on a school trip. And travel is supposed to
broaden your horizons. His mind is made up that the global warming is man
caused. Will not consider that the earth is always heating and cooling and
it may be mother nature and not just man. Why is Mars also warming at the
same time? Mars Rovers?

You do realize, don't you, Bill, that the warming is happening at a
pace that hasn't happened before? And you also realize, that just
because there is a cyclic warming and cooling that is astronomy based,
doesn't mean that man hasn't had a profound influence on that warming,
don't you?


Some questions for you.

Why did the Norse have something like a 100 years of successful
farming in Greenland on fields that are now tundra?

Uh, I never, ever said that there is no cyclic global warming/cooling
trends.


What percentage of C02 is "man made" What percentage is naturally
occurring?

Doesn't matter. The earth can take what is naturally occuring, and keep
things in balance. But, there's a saturation point, just like with most
things.

Keep what in balance? What is the saturation point?
And it does matter. If 99% of the CO2 is naturally occurring the
world's economics could come to screaming halt and it would make
little or no difference.

What to hell does the "world's economics" have to do with anything that
I've stated in this thread???

What has happened with the world's average temperature since the late
90s?

It's risen: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/ftpdata/tavegl2v.dat

The chart has no headers or delimiters. I have no idea what the values
mean.

Not my problem. I read it just fine!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m...9/ixworld.html

Consider the simple fact, drawn from the official temperature records
of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, that
for the years 1998-2005 global average temperature did not increase
(there was actually a slight decrease, though not at a rate that
differs significantly from zero).

Significance is the key word here. You see, if we are talking about the
a hundred pounds of feathers, one or two more feathers is
insignificant. If we are talking about global warming, a slight
deviation from zero IS significant.



Who has less integrity? A group of scientists attempting to enhance
funding by using scare tactics. Or a Washington lobbyist opposing
universal heath care?

A Washington lobbyist.
Hint: whenever a group of scientist agree on anything it is because
there is funding available and has nothing to do with any major
truths being discovered.

Horse****.


Obviously you haven't sat on a funding review board for sponsored
research. Some of the tactics I have seen employed would put a King's
Cross hooker to shame.

I guess you've never seen a Washington lobbyist in action.

Hans wrote:
On 17 Apr 2006 06:22:36 -0700, "basskisser"
wrote:

What has happened with the world's average temperature since the late
90s?

It's risen: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/ftpdata/tavegl2v.dat


The chart has no headers or delimiters. I have no idea what the values
mean.



Any set of world temperature figures that does not show a significant
dip in 1992/1993 is instantly suspect in my mind. I remember that the
water mains froze in this city (Sudbury, ON). Everybody on city water
had to leave their taps running all winter to stop the freeze up.

It was a temporary effect from the eruption of Mt. Pinatubo. But it did
cause temperatures to plunge world wide (plunge a fraction of a degree,
that is, but that's all we're ever talking about except in silly
movies). How come that data just vanished? How come so many global
warming articles talk about a "steady increase in temperatures" since
1988? (well, they change the year around a bit)

Granted, 1988 was hot. I remember a big fire in Yellowstone that year.
It was also a solar max year in the sunspot cycle. As was 98/99.
According to some we've been cooling since. I don't necessarily trust
their figures either. Last year the sun was extraordinarily busy for
what should have been a solar minimum. But here I am thinking global
warming is caused by the sun. How silly am I?