Sorry Doug.............I am siding with no one.

Enjoy your time on your boat tomorrow.

Let us know how it goes.

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
Heh - about what I figured. Doesn't fit your scenario.


What he says about science grants doesn't fit the reality of
what has been happening in this country for the past 5 years.

And that's your whole schtick Doug - ignore everything but what fits
your narrow definition of truth.


???

Does anybody else see the self-contradiction & irony in this
post?

Let's review what I said:


DSK wrote:
I'd like to see what his environmental science observations
are.

Yep that's what I thought I said... What am I ignoring here?


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
Your more conservative than I am in an odd kind of way.

And I get rebuked for it, too.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
...

Does anybody else see the self-contradiction & irony in this post?

Sometimes comfort trumps everything else. There's absolutely nothing you can
do about it.

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Calif Bill wrote:
"Bryan" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m...9/ixworld.html


Feel free to join the previous cluster **** on this same subject,
begun
by your clone, Bert. :-)


Maybe your son will learn something when he travels Europe.



What's in Europe that his son might learn (seriously, not trying to
get
between you and Doug)?


His son is going to Europe on a school trip. And travel is supposed
to
broaden your horizons. His mind is made up that the global warming is
man
caused. Will not consider that the earth is always heating and
cooling
and
it may be mother nature and not just man. Why is Mars also warming at
the
same time? Mars Rovers?

You do realize, don't you, Bill, that the warming is happening at a
pace that hasn't happened before? And you also realize, that just
because there is a cyclic warming and cooling that is astronomy based,
doesn't mean that man hasn't had a profound influence on that warming,
don't you?

Kevin, I didn't know you are the eternal earthling. Would you be so kind
as
to provide us with the data you have managed to collect over these
millions
of millenia?

Where did the dinosaurs go? Was it man that hastened their demise by
following them on this Earth by 150,000,000?

As with all the chicken little "the sky is falling" global warming
alarmists, they arrogantly believe that they know better than anyone else,
that anyone that disagrees with their "religion" is a paid shill, ignorant
etc. etc.

Too bad they don't look in mirror

JimH wrote:
So go out and enjoy your boat Doug. ;-)

BTW: Do not group me with Bert or anyone else here. Instead try to
address my questions/comments directly in the future.

Some words of advice: You are not going to change the world by posting
your OT crap here or at any other NG or forum. Instead, relax and post
boating related questions here.

Take a deep
breath...........exhale...................inhale.. .................exhale.............inhale.......

Aaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmm.............;-)


Giddle up.

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:25:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .

Does anybody else see the self-contradiction & irony in this post?

Sometimes comfort trumps everything else. There's absolutely nothing you
can
do about it.

That's unfair. Locking out a scientist of the discussion because he
believes differently is the whole issue - not so much what he believes
or doesn't believe.

What you and my friend Doug King are ignoring is that the discussion
is limited only to those to believe that it's happening. Those who
don't believe, even though they are respected and highly placed
scientists, are being frozen out of the discussion for whatever
reason. That was the whole point of the article.

Secondly, geoscience is still inexact. Does man affect the
environment? Yes - all silly crap aside, it has to happen just as
part of being in a civilization. Is it as desperate as some think, I
don't believe so.

Where the storms of last summer due to "global warming"? If you know
any kind of science at all, you have to recognize that it has more to
do with the solar cycle than anything else - that's what drives our
terrestrial weather systems - the energy system. Even scientists on
the pro-warming debate admit that.

You can't have a scientific debate about this if you shut every
scientist who disagrees out of the process. There is no consensus if
you do that and the debate becomes useless because it's only politics
at that point.

All sensible, but I wonder what some will say ***IF***, someday, it is shown
that we really ARE screwing things up in a big way.

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
So go out and enjoy your boat Doug. ;-)

BTW: Do not group me with Bert or anyone else here. Instead try to
address my questions/comments directly in the future.

Some words of advice: You are not going to change the world by posting
your OT crap here or at any other NG or forum. Instead, relax and post
boating related questions here.

Take a deep
breath...........exhale...................inhale.. .................exhale.............inhale.......

Aaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmm.............;-)


Giddle up.

Hey dummy, it's 'giddyup' not 'giddle up'. Jeesh.

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:32:52 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:25:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .

Does anybody else see the self-contradiction & irony in this post?

Sometimes comfort trumps everything else. There's absolutely nothing you
can
do about it.

That's unfair. Locking out a scientist of the discussion because he
believes differently is the whole issue - not so much what he believes
or doesn't believe.

What you and my friend Doug King are ignoring is that the discussion
is limited only to those to believe that it's happening. Those who
don't believe, even though they are respected and highly placed
scientists, are being frozen out of the discussion for whatever
reason. That was the whole point of the article.

Secondly, geoscience is still inexact. Does man affect the
environment? Yes - all silly crap aside, it has to happen just as
part of being in a civilization. Is it as desperate as some think, I
don't believe so.

Where the storms of last summer due to "global warming"? If you know
any kind of science at all, you have to recognize that it has more to
do with the solar cycle than anything else - that's what drives our
terrestrial weather systems - the energy system. Even scientists on
the pro-warming debate admit that.

You can't have a scientific debate about this if you shut every
scientist who disagrees out of the process. There is no consensus if
you do that and the debate becomes useless because it's only politics
at that point.

All sensible, but I wonder what some will say ***IF***, someday, it is
shown
that we really ARE screwing things up in a big way.

Then it's screwed up - there's nothing you can do about it now anyway.
If it is screwed up, then it's already screwed up and nothing you can
do about it to stop it - it's going to accelerate exponentially if it
truly exists. So far, nothing seems to indicate that.

Everybody is more than willing to blame the advance of
industrialization,but they are completely ignoring natural cycles and
causes. The whole panic over the "ozone" hole thing is a good example
- it has a natural cycle that happens to coincide with, 11, 100, 1000,
1000000, etc. cycles of the sun.

The discourse needs to be broadened and inclusive of all points of
view rather than just adhering to Al Gore's.

Tom, I'm not ignoring natural cycles. I just accept that certain occurrences
can't always be blamed on one clear factor, nor can one factor always be
discounted, either. A couple of months ago, there was a scientist in the
news saying exactly this about the relationship between illness and toxic
chemicals in food & water. Complex systems - you know about these, and the
weather's probably the best example we have.

JimH wrote:
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
So go out and enjoy your boat Doug. ;-)

BTW: Do not group me with Bert or anyone else here. Instead try to
address my questions/comments directly in the future.

Some words of advice: You are not going to change the world by posting
your OT crap here or at any other NG or forum. Instead, relax and post
boating related questions here.

Take a deep
breath...........exhale...................inhale.. .................exhale.............inhale.......

Aaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmm.............;-)

Giddle up.

Hey dummy, it's 'giddyup' not 'giddle up'. Jeesh.


It is nice to see you doing a great job of Netcopping the NG.

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
So go out and enjoy your boat Doug. ;-)

BTW: Do not group me with Bert or anyone else here. Instead try to
address my questions/comments directly in the future.

Some words of advice: You are not going to change the world by posting
your OT crap here or at any other NG or forum. Instead, relax and post
boating related questions here.

Take a deep
breath...........exhale...................inhale.. .................exhale.............inhale.......

Aaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmm.............;-)

Giddle up.

Hey dummy, it's 'giddyup' not 'giddle up'. Jeesh.
It is nice to see you doing a great job of Netcopping the NG.

Thanks. Giddyup!