"Don White" wrote in message
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:44:22 GMT, Don White
wrote:


At to your mowing analogy - between our house, the big house and the
real estate we own, I mow about nine acres of grass a week.

Don't remind me. :)

The 'big house'??? You spending weekends in the slammer?


The little house - we bought this after the kids moved out.

http://tinyurl.com/qxk28

Go north, down the S curve, first right, first house on the left is
the "big house" along with the barn and out buildings.

The fields, woods and pond to the south of Sheldon are those that I'm
always talking about including the woods behind the house.


That's quite a piece of land.
Is that mowing marks or are you planting crops on that rectangular
section?

Those are landing gear marks from Tom's extraterrestrial visitors.

RCE

On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 07:56:48 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

RCE wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 18 Mar 2006 04:17:57 -0800, wrote:

I take Remicade for my RA every six weeks @ $11,000 a pop - that's
$99,000 per year for very effective treatment for RA.

In Canada, it's $2,450 a pop.

Now, who is subsidizing who? :)
Canada doesn't simply tell drug companies what to charge. They made a
deal with the drug companies, offering the drug companies extended
patent life on their new drugs in exchange for charging lower prices.
The drug companies benefit by having more years without generic
competition, and the public benefits by having more affordable
medicines.
At three quarters the cost?

Bull****. The only way they could get away with doing that is if they
pick up the rest of the profits from somewhere else.

Like me.

As a marketing consultant who has worked with several substantial offerers
of health insurance, I can assure you that the profits on many
"proprietary" medications transcend astronomical. There is plenty of room
for "negotiation" in the prices Rx companies charge providers and
purveyors.

Oh...by the way, Rx companies these days spend more on advertising and
marketing than they do on research.

They're the richer cousins of the oil companies. You know, the original
"bend over for us" guys.

Big numbers involved in health care. I just read that GM posted a 10+
billion dollar loss overall in 2005.
Part of their operating costs in 2005 was 5+ billion on health care for
active and retired employees.

RCE




Yes, indeed. And eventually we are going to have to have a federal
system in which every American is issued a card to obtain basic medical
care. Whether that involves all the insurance companies we have now or
an entirely different system remains to be seen, but we have to have
changes or we will all go broke.

We're all paying for it now; we're just handling it sloppily.

I note you said "every American". I assume, I hope, you are meaning US
citizens!
--
'Til next time,

John H

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On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:08:19 -0500, "RCE" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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RCE wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 18 Mar 2006 04:17:57 -0800, wrote:

I take Remicade for my RA every six weeks @ $11,000 a pop - that's
$99,000 per year for very effective treatment for RA.

In Canada, it's $2,450 a pop.

Now, who is subsidizing who? :)
Canada doesn't simply tell drug companies what to charge. They made a
deal with the drug companies, offering the drug companies extended
patent life on their new drugs in exchange for charging lower prices.
The drug companies benefit by having more years without generic
competition, and the public benefits by having more affordable
medicines.
At three quarters the cost?

Bull****. The only way they could get away with doing that is if they
pick up the rest of the profits from somewhere else.

Like me.

As a marketing consultant who has worked with several substantial
offerers of health insurance, I can assure you that the profits on many
"proprietary" medications transcend astronomical. There is plenty of
room for "negotiation" in the prices Rx companies charge providers and
purveyors.

Oh...by the way, Rx companies these days spend more on advertising and
marketing than they do on research.

They're the richer cousins of the oil companies. You know, the original
"bend over for us" guys.

Big numbers involved in health care. I just read that GM posted a 10+
billion dollar loss overall in 2005.
Part of their operating costs in 2005 was 5+ billion on health care for
active and retired employees.

RCE


Yes, indeed. And eventually we are going to have to have a federal system
in which every American is issued a card to obtain basic medical care.
Whether that involves all the insurance companies we have now or an
entirely different system remains to be seen, but we have to have changes
or we will all go broke.

We're all paying for it now; we're just handling it sloppily.


This is one of the relatively few areas that I might be considered a bit to
the left in my POV. Quality health care in the US should be available and
affordable to everyone. We apparently have made strides to make it equally
available http://tinyurl.com/prk4c but it's still substandard and too
expensive for individuals and corporate providers.

The answer lies in routing out the corruption in the drug industry and the
political porksters that are manipulating it.

RCE


I hope you mean everyone who is a US citizen!
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

RCE wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:44:22 GMT, Don White
wrote:



At to your mowing analogy - between our house, the big house and the
real estate we own, I mow about nine acres of grass a week.

Don't remind me. :)

The 'big house'??? You spending weekends in the slammer?


The little house - we bought this after the kids moved out.

http://tinyurl.com/qxk28

Go north, down the S curve, first right, first house on the left is
the "big house" along with the barn and out buildings.

The fields, woods and pond to the south of Sheldon are those that I'm
always talking about including the woods behind the house.


That's quite a piece of land.
Is that mowing marks or are you planting crops on that rectangular
section?


Those are landing gear marks from Tom's extraterrestrial visitors.

RCE



Must be relatives...they seem to go in elongated circles...somewhat like
Tom!

On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:08:19 -0500, RCE wrote:


This is one of the relatively few areas that I might be considered a bit
to the left in my POV. Quality health care in the US should be available
and affordable to everyone. We apparently have made strides to make it
equally available http://tinyurl.com/prk4c but it's still substandard
and too expensive for individuals and corporate providers.

The answer lies in routing out the corruption in the drug industry and the
political porksters that are manipulating it.

I don't know the answer, but something is surely wrong. Our health care
costs are already over 15% GDP and are expected to be over 20% GDP by
2015. That puts us at a considerable economic disadvantage when competing
with other industrial nations whose costs are generally under 10%. With
universal coverage, I might add.

http://www.forbes.com/lifestyle/heal...out531159.html

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:00:56 -0500, "RCE" wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:44:22 GMT, Don White
wrote:


At to your mowing analogy - between our house, the big house and the
real estate we own, I mow about nine acres of grass a week.

Don't remind me. :)
The 'big house'??? You spending weekends in the slammer?

The little house - we bought this after the kids moved out.

http://tinyurl.com/qxk28

Go north, down the S curve, first right, first house on the left is
the "big house" along with the barn and out buildings.

The fields, woods and pond to the south of Sheldon are those that I'm
always talking about including the woods behind the house.

That's quite a piece of land.
Is that mowing marks or are you planting crops on that rectangular
section?
Those are landing gear marks from Tom's extraterrestrial visitors.

Shhhhh - everybody thinks Area 51 is in Nevada.
I thought it was in New Mexico.

--
Reggie

"That's my story and I am sticking to it."

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:09:20 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On 19 Mar 2006 04:04:40 -0800, wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 18 Mar 2006 05:52:47 -0800, wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

At to your mowing analogy - between our house, the big house and the
real estate we own, I mow about nine acres of grass a week.

Don't remind me. :)
We mow ours too, we just negotiated a better price with the mowing
company.
ROTFL!!!

Hey wait - I'm the mowing company!!! :)
Nope. The pharmaceutcal producers are mowing companies. You're just
one of their customers that agreed to pay full rate and then cries when
you find out other people negotiated a better deal for themselves. Do
you also cry if you find out that other people on the same airline
flight have paid a lower fare?
Oh shove it up your ass sideways.

Er...Sorry about that.

It was uncalled for and intemperate on my part.

My apologies.
Tom,
It is ok to say "Shove it up your ass", but once you say "sideways" you
have crossed the line.

--
Reggie

"That's my story and I am sticking to it."

At to your mowing analogy - between our house, the big house and the
real estate we own, I mow about nine acres of grass a week.

Don't remind me. :)

We mow ours too, we just negotiated a better price with the mowing
company.

ROTFL!!!

Hey wait - I'm the mowing company!!! :)

Nope. The pharmaceutcal producers are mowing companies. You're just
one of their customers that agreed to pay full rate and then cries when
you find out other people negotiated a better deal for themselves. Do
you also cry if you find out that other people on the same airline
flight have paid a lower fare?

Oh shove it up your ass sideways.

When you're losing an argument:

Rule 1: Make a statement that has nothing to do with the topic being
discussed.

(snip)

Er...Sorry about that.

It was uncalled for and intemperate on my part.

My apologies.

Apology accepted.