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Dan Krueger wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Don White wrote:

The local boat show starts at noon today and runs through Sunday.
Newspaper says admission fee has jumped to $ 10.00. Is it just
me..or does that seem a bit excessive?
http://www.masterpromotions.ca/halif...-boat-show.asp
It should be free.
It should be free but many of these shows are run by large exhibition
companies employing union labor at exorbitant rates. Traffic control,
ticket sales, security, etc. are all union controlled.

I have attended shows where you would have to literally pay a union
electrician $50 to plug in your extension cord. Plug it in yourself
and you would be charged the same $50. Simple forklift delivery of
your booth materials cost hundreds. Even worse, they would put their
hand out looking for a tip while they are on the clock. Pretty sad.


Poor Dan. He had to pay a contractor who paid his workers a decent wage
with benefits.

What do *you* do that's worth $50?


Dan speaks the truth Harry. That is the way it goes at the
International Exposition Center in Cleveland. I am sure other unionized
convention centers are the same


BTW: I have all respect for union electricians, plumbers, laborers,
masons, ironworkers and equipment operators, especially those working
construction. But you have to admit that unions many times (as in the
case Dan posted) the same unions take advantage of circumstances.


How so? The union elecricians work for a contractor. The contractor has
the arrangement with the convention center. The contractor has negotiated
rates with the convention center.


BS. The union, not the contractor, wrote the rules.

Dan Krueger wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:

Don White wrote:

The local boat show starts at noon today and runs through Sunday.
Newspaper says admission fee has jumped to $ 10.00. Is it just
me..or does that seem a bit excessive?
http://www.masterpromotions.ca/halif...-boat-show.asp



It should be free.


It should be free but many of these shows are run by large exhibition
companies employing union labor at exorbitant rates. Traffic control,
ticket sales, security, etc. are all union controlled.

I have attended shows where you would have to literally pay a union
electrician $50 to plug in your extension cord. Plug it in yourself and
you would be charged the same $50. Simple forklift delivery of your
booth materials cost hundreds. Even worse, they would put their hand
out looking for a tip while they are on the clock. Pretty sad.

Not in my area.

Harry Krause wrote:
Dan Krueger wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Don White wrote:

The local boat show starts at noon today and runs through Sunday.
Newspaper says admission fee has jumped to $ 10.00. Is it just
me..or does that seem a bit excessive?
http://www.masterpromotions.ca/halif...-boat-show.asp


It should be free.


It should be free but many of these shows are run by large exhibition
companies employing union labor at exorbitant rates. Traffic control,
ticket sales, security, etc. are all union controlled.

I have attended shows where you would have to literally pay a union
electrician $50 to plug in your extension cord. Plug it in yourself
and you would be charged the same $50. Simple forklift delivery of
your booth materials cost hundreds. Even worse, they would put their
hand out looking for a tip while they are on the clock. Pretty sad.




Poor Dan. He had to pay a contractor who paid his workers a decent wage
with benefits.

What do *you* do that's worth $50?


He'd haunt your house one night for that.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Dan Krueger wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Don White wrote:

The local boat show starts at noon today and runs through Sunday.
Newspaper says admission fee has jumped to $ 10.00. Is it just
me..or does that seem a bit excessive?
http://www.masterpromotions.ca/halif...-boat-show.asp
It should be free.
It should be free but many of these shows are run by large exhibition
companies employing union labor at exorbitant rates. Traffic
control, ticket sales, security, etc. are all union controlled.

I have attended shows where you would have to literally pay a union
electrician $50 to plug in your extension cord. Plug it in yourself
and you would be charged the same $50. Simple forklift delivery of
your booth materials cost hundreds. Even worse, they would put their
hand out looking for a tip while they are on the clock. Pretty sad.

Poor Dan. He had to pay a contractor who paid his workers a decent
wage with benefits.

What do *you* do that's worth $50?


Dan speaks the truth Harry. That is the way it goes at the
International Exposition Center in Cleveland. I am sure other
unionized convention centers are the same
So?

You go to a prime convention center, you want work done, you deal with
the contractors with whom the convention center has contracted. That's
how it is in the real world.


No, that is how some unions chose to make it in the real world.

Wonder why jobs are going overseas?


Convention center jobs are going overseas?

Union jobs certainly are.

Harry Krause wrote:

JimH wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Dan Krueger wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Don White wrote:

The local boat show starts at noon today and runs through Sunday.
Newspaper says admission fee has jumped to $ 10.00. Is it just
me..or does that seem a bit excessive?
http://www.masterpromotions.ca/halif...-boat-show.asp

It should be free.

It should be free but many of these shows are run by large
exhibition companies employing union labor at exorbitant rates.
Traffic control, ticket sales, security, etc. are all union controlled.

I have attended shows where you would have to literally pay a union
electrician $50 to plug in your extension cord. Plug it in yourself
and you would be charged the same $50. Simple forklift delivery of
your booth materials cost hundreds. Even worse, they would put
their hand out looking for a tip while they are on the clock.
Pretty sad.



Poor Dan. He had to pay a contractor who paid his workers a decent
wage with benefits.

What do *you* do that's worth $50?



Dan speaks the truth Harry. That is the way it goes at the
International Exposition Center in Cleveland. I am sure other
unionized convention centers are the same


So?

You go to a prime convention center, you want work done, you deal with
the contractors with whom the convention center has contracted. That's
how it is in the real world.


Chicago? Do you think they had a choice? They didn't build a replica
of the Statue of Liberty, they plug in extension cords!

Dan

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JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Dan Krueger wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Don White wrote:

The local boat show starts at noon today and runs through Sunday.
Newspaper says admission fee has jumped to $ 10.00. Is it just
me..or does that seem a bit excessive?
http://www.masterpromotions.ca/halif...-boat-show.asp
It should be free.
It should be free but many of these shows are run by large
exhibition companies employing union labor at exorbitant rates.
Traffic control, ticket sales, security, etc. are all union
controlled.

I have attended shows where you would have to literally pay a union
electrician $50 to plug in your extension cord. Plug it in yourself
and you would be charged the same $50. Simple forklift delivery of
your booth materials cost hundreds. Even worse, they would put
their hand out looking for a tip while they are on the clock.
Pretty sad.

Poor Dan. He had to pay a contractor who paid his workers a decent
wage with benefits.

What do *you* do that's worth $50?

Dan speaks the truth Harry. That is the way it goes at the
International Exposition Center in Cleveland. I am sure other
unionized convention centers are the same

BTW: I have all respect for union electricians, plumbers, laborers,
masons, ironworkers and equipment operators, especially those working
construction. But you have to admit that unions many times (as in the
case Dan posted) the same unions take advantage of circumstances.

How so? The union elecricians work for a contractor. The contractor has
the arrangement with the convention center. The contractor has
negotiated rates with the convention center.


BS. The union, not the contractor, wrote the rules.


Sorry, but virtually all union rates in the construction trades are the
result of negotiations between representatives of the unions and
representatives of the union contractors for whom they work. The
contractor then negotiates his rates with his customers. It's called
collective bargaining.

You might call it "collective barganing" but it is really extortion.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Dan Krueger wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Don White wrote:

The local boat show starts at noon today and runs through Sunday.
Newspaper says admission fee has jumped to $ 10.00. Is it just
me..or does that seem a bit excessive?
http://www.masterpromotions.ca/halif...-boat-show.asp
It should be free.
It should be free but many of these shows are run by large
exhibition companies employing union labor at exorbitant rates.
Traffic control, ticket sales, security, etc. are all union
controlled.

I have attended shows where you would have to literally pay a union
electrician $50 to plug in your extension cord. Plug it in yourself
and you would be charged the same $50. Simple forklift delivery of
your booth materials cost hundreds. Even worse, they would put
their hand out looking for a tip while they are on the clock.
Pretty sad.

Poor Dan. He had to pay a contractor who paid his workers a decent
wage with benefits.

What do *you* do that's worth $50?

Dan speaks the truth Harry. That is the way it goes at the
International Exposition Center in Cleveland. I am sure other
unionized convention centers are the same

BTW: I have all respect for union electricians, plumbers, laborers,
masons, ironworkers and equipment operators, especially those working
construction. But you have to admit that unions many times (as in the
case Dan posted) the same unions take advantage of circumstances.

How so? The union elecricians work for a contractor. The contractor has
the arrangement with the convention center. The contractor has
negotiated rates with the convention center.


BS. The union, not the contractor, wrote the rules.


Sorry, but virtually all union rates in the construction trades are the
result of negotiations between representatives of the unions and
representatives of the union contractors for whom they work. The
contractor then negotiates his rates with his customers. It's called
collective bargaining.

So solly Harry. You just changed the subject. We were talking about
mandated rates at convention centers for union electricians and the mandate
to use them. Why are you now talking about union rates on construction
jobs???

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Dan Krueger wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:

JimH wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..

Dan Krueger wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Don White wrote:

The local boat show starts at noon today and runs through Sunday.
Newspaper says admission fee has jumped to $ 10.00. Is it just
me..or does that seem a bit excessive?
http://www.masterpromotions.ca/halif...-boat-show.asp
It should be free.
It should be free but many of these shows are run by large exhibition
companies employing union labor at exorbitant rates. Traffic
control, ticket sales, security, etc. are all union controlled.

I have attended shows where you would have to literally pay a union
electrician $50 to plug in your extension cord. Plug it in yourself
and you would be charged the same $50. Simple forklift delivery of
your booth materials cost hundreds. Even worse, they would put their
hand out looking for a tip while they are on the clock. Pretty sad.


Poor Dan. He had to pay a contractor who paid his workers a decent
wage with benefits.

What do *you* do that's worth $50?


Dan speaks the truth Harry. That is the way it goes at the
International Exposition Center in Cleveland. I am sure other
unionized convention centers are the same

So?

You go to a prime convention center, you want work done, you deal with
the contractors with whom the convention center has contracted. That's
how it is in the real world.


Chicago? Do you think they had a choice? They didn't build a replica of
the Statue of Liberty, they plug in extension cords!

Dan


What do you do that's worth $50?

Is that your best shot Harry? Really?

Harry Krause wrote:

JimH wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:

" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Dan Krueger wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Don White wrote:

The local boat show starts at noon today and runs through
Sunday. Newspaper says admission fee has jumped to $ 10.00. Is
it just me..or does that seem a bit excessive?
http://www.masterpromotions.ca/halif...-boat-show.asp

It should be free.

It should be free but many of these shows are run by large
exhibition companies employing union labor at exorbitant rates.
Traffic control, ticket sales, security, etc. are all union
controlled.

I have attended shows where you would have to literally pay a
union electrician $50 to plug in your extension cord. Plug it in
yourself and you would be charged the same $50. Simple forklift
delivery of your booth materials cost hundreds. Even worse, they
would put their hand out looking for a tip while they are on the
clock. Pretty sad.


Poor Dan. He had to pay a contractor who paid his workers a decent
wage with benefits.

What do *you* do that's worth $50?

Dan speaks the truth Harry. That is the way it goes at the
International Exposition Center in Cleveland. I am sure other
unionized convention centers are the same

BTW: I have all respect for union electricians, plumbers, laborers,
masons, ironworkers and equipment operators, especially those
working construction. But you have to admit that unions many times
(as in the case Dan posted) the same unions take advantage of
circumstances.


How so? The union elecricians work for a contractor. The contractor
has the arrangement with the convention center. The contractor has
negotiated rates with the convention center.



BS. The union, not the contractor, wrote the rules.



Sorry, but virtually all union rates in the construction trades are the
result of negotiations between representatives of the unions and
representatives of the union contractors for whom they work. The
contractor then negotiates his rates with his customers. It's called
collective bargaining.

"Collective bargaining" says it all. The individual either can't think
for himself or can't earn his own wage on his own merit. He has to be
grouped with a variety of worker - good and bad - to get the same pay,
the same raises, the same treatment, etc.

Still sad.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Dan Krueger wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:

Dan Krueger wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Don White wrote:

The local boat show starts at noon today and runs through Sunday.
Newspaper says admission fee has jumped to $ 10.00. Is it just
me..or does that seem a bit excessive?
http://www.masterpromotions.ca/halif...-boat-show.asp

It should be free.

It should be free but many of these shows are run by large exhibition
companies employing union labor at exorbitant rates. Traffic control,
ticket sales, security, etc. are all union controlled.

I have attended shows where you would have to literally pay a union
electrician $50 to plug in your extension cord. Plug it in yourself
and you would be charged the same $50. Simple forklift delivery of
your booth materials cost hundreds. Even worse, they would put their
hand out looking for a tip while they are on the clock. Pretty sad.



Poor Dan. He had to pay a contractor who paid his workers a decent wage
with benefits.

What do *you* do that's worth $50?


Get me a 9-5 job with paid benefits, four week's vacation, and I'll sell
my business and plug in extension cords for $50 each all day long.


While some construction workers work 9-5, most work from sunrise to
mid=afternoon. Inside jobs, of course, are different.

If you want to be a journeyman electrician, attend a four or five year
apprenticeship program.

Oh...the paid benefits...they're part of the pay package. They're
negotiated and are there as part of the total hourly rate. They're not
given.


Help me with this part:

"He had to pay a contractor who paid his workers".

Does this mean a guy sits in a chair, takes $40, gives $10 to an
uneducated yahoo to PLUG IN AN EXTENSION CORD and that is OK?

I don't know of one major market where union electricians are paid only
$10 an hour.


BS! My 21 year old daughter works part time in a restaurant (she is a full
time college student) and earns $10/hour.

My soon to be 18 year old son will earn more than that/hour during the
summer painting frigging houses.