Poor Dick Cheney - the saga continues (guffaw)
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Oh shoot! Veep had no license for quail hunt
BY KENNETH R. BAZINET
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU
Monday, February 13th, 2006

WASHINGTON - Vice President Cheney had no license to kill - quail, that
is.

BFD. Yawn

Poor Dick Cheney - the saga continues (guffaw)
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Oh shoot! Veep had no license for quail hunt
BY KENNETH R. BAZINET
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU
Monday, February 13th, 2006

WASHINGTON - Vice President Cheney had no license to kill - quail, that
is.

BFD. Yawn


It's not a big deal, it's just funny, and, thankfully, the guy Cheney
blasted apparently is recovering ok.

What was that Jimmy Breslin book..."The Gang that Couldn't Shoot
Straight"? Not only does the title fit, but in many ways, it serves as an
allegory for the Bush administration, which seems to have a real shortage
of straight shooters.

At the very minimum, Cheney should give up "hunting" as a sport and take
up something more suitable for his diminished capabilities.

This little incident is going to haunt Cheney for a long time. And it
should.

My wife said their is a blog on the net showing a picture of Cheney on a VP
seal, dressed in an Elmer Fudd hat and holding a shotgun.......the words
around the seal are "Be vewy, vewy quiet, I'm hunting Iwacki's" ;-)

Poor Dick Cheney - the saga continues (guffaw)
 

" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Oh shoot! Veep had no license for quail hunt
BY KENNETH R. BAZINET
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU
Monday, February 13th, 2006

WASHINGTON - Vice President Cheney had no license to kill - quail, that
is.

BFD. Yawn


Passs aat ... snort .... yawn .... streeeeeetch) ...
Huh? what happened?

RCE

Hunting Accidents
 

Yesterday it seemed some people thought the accident was the result of
the victim not following hunting protocol. The newspapers and hunting
experts seem to believe it was the shooter who was responsible, even
though the victim had not followed protocol when rejoining the hunting line.

This really should not be a political discussion, but a safety
discussion that all hunters can learn from. Heck, I know I would prefer
to learn from someone else's mistake, instead of repeating the same one.





--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

Poor Dick Cheney - the saga continues (guffaw)
 

" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in message
...



My wife said their is a blog on the net showing a picture of Cheney on a
VP seal, dressed in an Elmer Fudd hat and holding a shotgun.......the
words around the seal are "Be vewy, vewy quiet, I'm hunting Iwacki's" ;-)


That's the first image that popped into my head when I heard of this story.

RCE

Hunting Accidents
 

Harry Krause wrote:
Reggie Smithers wrote:
Yesterday it seemed some people thought the accident was the result of
the victim not following hunting protocol. The newspapers and hunting
experts seem to believe it was the shooter who was responsible, even
though the victim had not followed protocol when rejoining the hunting
line.

This really should not be a political discussion, but a safety
discussion that all hunters can learn from. Heck, I know I would
prefer to learn from someone else's mistake, instead of repeating the
same one.




I shoot firearms at an "informal" outdoor range at least once a month,
and there usually are three or four fellows with me. The range has
several different areas where we shoot, and we have some clay target
launchers we sometimes set up. No one takes a shot unless he knows
EXACTLY where the other guys are and that they are completely out of the
line of fire.

Though I don't hunt, I've been on pheasant and grouse hunts as a "tag
along" guy because friends of mine were going. The same rules apply: no
one shoots unless the location of everyone is known.

Hunting accidents happen every day. In almost every instance, the
accident is a result of carelessness on the part of the shooter.

Consider this analogy: if you are a boater, *you* are responsible for
any damage your wake causes. If you are a hunter, *you* are responsible
for any damage your gun causes.


And that should be the point of the post and the discussion among
hunters. Anytime anyone moves from their line, or anytime anyone sees
someone move from the line, they should announce it to all. When a
hunter is lining up his shot, it is too late for him to looking for the
other hunters. An analogy for you would be, how many skeet would you
"kill" if you were looking for other skeet shooters after the skeet was
released. By the time you had checked your left and right, the skeet
has hidden under the ground cover.

Many will make this a political issue, but you and I know it really
isn't. It is an issue that is important to anyone who hunts or goes to
a skeet range, regardless of their political leaning. Ignorance and
hunting accidents know no political boundaries.

On a serious note, many of the jokes have been funny. ; )



--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

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Harry Krause wrote:


Cheney is an experienced hunter. He should know better.

I would guess the majority of hunting accidents are the result of
experienced hunters making a stupid mistake. A new hunter is so
concerned with following the rules, and not making a mistake, that he is
focusing more on the other hunters than the birds. An experienced
hunter is more inclined to "assume" everyone is following protocol
concerning the hunting line.

You made a comment about when you are shooting clay that only two people
are on the line, everyone else stands behind the hunters. If I went on
a hunt, I would require one person to be standing behind the line, to
let everyone know if someone is rejoining the line or is not following
protocol.




--
Reggie
************************************************** *************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

************************************************** *************

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Harry Krause wrote:

When I shoot sporting clays, which is not the same as shooting skeet, I
am always away of my surroundings and if I sensed something wrong, I'd
not shoot, or shoot high.

I'd sooner believe you actually have a fab Zimmermanlike lobstaboat than
shoot SC. You don't even have a suitable gun for the sport.

--
Skipper

Hunting Accidents
 

Harry Krause wrote:

When I shoot sporting clays, it is at a regulated range. There's only
one shooter up at a time, and all the shots are FORWARD.

SC stations at many ranges are often no than 30 yards apart with swings
approaching 180 degrees. You DO NOT shoot sporting clays.

When we are at the informal range, everyone except the shooter(s) stays
well back. We're all experienced shotgunners.

BS. The bird triggers are usually AT the shooting station.

If I am out on a hunt, I usually handle
the reloading, and keep my eyes open for problems, as do the shooters.

Reloading??? You don't know the first thing about reloading.

One report I read said Cheney turned and shot to his rear. That's a
no-no.

Again, you do not shoot SC. Occasionally, doubles are almost opposed
180.

I doubt you know the dif between a rocket, rabbit, or bird.

--
Skipper

Hunting Accidents
 

Harry Krause wrote:

Oh...and since I haven't published a list of the shotguns I own, you
wouldn't have a clue as to what shotguns I use for sporting clays.

You HAVE declared the shotguns you own...along with the fab lobsta.
Which gun do you use for SC?

--
Skipper

Hunting Accidents
 

Skipper wrote:

I doubt you know the dif between a rocket, rabbit, or bird.

Oh look fellas, Krause is digging through the internet trying to find an
answer...what a mensch!

--
Skipper

Politicization of EVERYTHING ( Hunting Accidents)
 

Hunting Accidents
 

Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:

When I shoot sporting clays, it is at a regulated range. There's only
one shooter up at a time, and all the shots are FORWARD.

SC stations at many ranges are often no than 30 yards apart with swings
approaching 180 degrees. You DO NOT shoot sporting clays.

Sorry, there are no 180-degree side to side swings at the range I visit.

Here is one of the ranges I shoot:

http://www.murphyshotguns.com/index.html

Check out the 360 degree tour of their gun room, one of the best in the
country. Many of those guns hanging in that safe have values in excess
of $50,000.

BTW, folks travel from all over the world for gun instruction by Michael
Murphy.

When we are at the informal range, everyone except the shooter(s) stays
well back. We're all experienced shotgunners.

BS. The bird triggers are usually AT the shooting station.

Gee, you've been in my shotgun closet and you've apparently been out on
my friend's "farmette" out on the Shenandoah so you could inspect our
"informal" range. And I thought the conditions of your bond wouldn't
allow interstate travel.

Again, what gun do you use for SC?

--
Skipper

Hunting Accidents
 

Skipper wrote:
Skipper wrote:


I doubt you know the dif between a rocket, rabbit, or bird.


Oh look fellas, Krause is digging through the internet trying to find an
answer...what a mensch!

--
Skipper


What do you use for target practice...prairie dogs?

Hunting Accidents
 

Gene Kearns wrote:

Harry Krause penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers
of rec.boats:

Oh...and since I haven't published a list of the shotguns I own, you
wouldn't have a clue as to what shotguns I use for sporting clays.

Sorry Harry, you're wrong. Remember telling him about the slug gun?

Harry's out furiously trying to find the difference between rabbits,
rockets, and birds.

--
Skipper

Hunting Accidents
 

Harry Krause wrote:


Gee, you've been in my shotgun closet and you've apparently been out on
my friend's "farmette" out on the Shenandoah so you could inspect our
"informal" range. And I thought the conditions of your bond wouldn't
allow interstate travel.




Skipper 'travels' far & wide while snoozing in his comfy arm chair.

Hunting Accidents
 

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:28:36 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote:

Yesterday it seemed some people thought the accident was the result of
the victim not following hunting protocol. The newspapers and hunting
experts seem to believe it was the shooter who was responsible, even
though the victim had not followed protocol when rejoining the hunting line.

This really should not be a political discussion, but a safety
discussion that all hunters can learn from. Heck, I know I would prefer
to learn from someone else's mistake, instead of repeating the same one.

Sometime I'll tell you the 'safe' way to put a lot of quail on the dinner
table! It's probably illegal, but it's safe.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

Hunting Accidents
 

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:28:36 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote:

Yesterday it seemed some people thought the accident was the result of
the victim not following hunting protocol. The newspapers and hunting
experts seem to believe it was the shooter who was responsible, even
though the victim had not followed protocol when rejoining the hunting
line.

This really should not be a political discussion, but a safety
discussion that all hunters can learn from. Heck, I know I would prefer
to learn from someone else's mistake, instead of repeating the same one.

Sometime I'll tell you the 'safe' way to put a lot of quail on the dinner
table! It's probably illegal, but it's safe.
--
'Til next time,

John H

Please take this to rec.food.cooking, John.

Hunting Accidents
 

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:29:27 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:


Cheney is an experienced hunter. He should know better.

I would guess the majority of hunting accidents are the result of
experienced hunters making a stupid mistake. A new hunter is so
concerned with following the rules, and not making a mistake, that he is
focusing more on the other hunters than the birds. An experienced
hunter is more inclined to "assume" everyone is following protocol
concerning the hunting line.

You made a comment about when you are shooting clay that only two people
are on the line, everyone else stands behind the hunters. If I went on
a hunt, I would require one person to be standing behind the line, to
let everyone know if someone is rejoining the line or is not following
protocol.

Reggie, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who wanted to go hunting, but
just wanted to be the 'range safety officer'. That would get boring pretty
quickly!
--
'Til next time,

John H

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***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
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Hunting Accidents
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:28:36 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote:

Yesterday it seemed some people thought the accident was the result of
the victim not following hunting protocol. The newspapers and hunting
experts seem to believe it was the shooter who was responsible, even
though the victim had not followed protocol when rejoining the hunting
line.

This really should not be a political discussion, but a safety
discussion that all hunters can learn from. Heck, I know I would prefer
to learn from someone else's mistake, instead of repeating the same one.

Sometime I'll tell you the 'safe' way to put a lot of quail on the dinner
table! It's probably illegal, but it's safe.
--
'Til next time,

John H

Please take this to rec.food.cooking, John.


Indeed. As we all know discussions about food and cooking only end up in
arguments and are best suited to be posted at the NG site you posted Doug,
certainly not in a boating NG. ;-)

Hunting Accidents
 

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:24:26 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:28:36 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote:

Yesterday it seemed some people thought the accident was the result of
the victim not following hunting protocol. The newspapers and hunting
experts seem to believe it was the shooter who was responsible, even
though the victim had not followed protocol when rejoining the hunting
line.

This really should not be a political discussion, but a safety
discussion that all hunters can learn from. Heck, I know I would prefer
to learn from someone else's mistake, instead of repeating the same one.

Sometime I'll tell you the 'safe' way to put a lot of quail on the dinner
table! It's probably illegal, but it's safe.
--
'Til next time,

John H

Please take this to rec.food.cooking, John.


Haven't caught 'em yet!

LOL!
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
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Politicization of EVERYTHING ( Hunting Accidents)
 

wrote:
In a nation that can stoop to politicizing science

Actually, it's not "the nation" that has stooped so low.


.... It's not as if most Americans care if their own beliefs
are true or not. BS is king and con men of all stripes are having a
grand and glorious time.

When was there time otherwise?


Reggie Smithers wrote:
and in the past, this NG has been reflective of the worst of of the
polar politics has to offer.

We have made great inroads in rec.boats in agreeing to disagree, so
maybe it is possible for America to turn from the dark side.


Hear hear. Well said.

DSK

Hunting Accidents
 

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:18:43 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:


When you are shooting skeet or clays, you know where the target is going.
That is not true of quail hunting. Quail don't take off and fly in a
straight line down range. Like Reggie said, when you're getting a bead on
the bird, you're not looking at the ground.


Yeah, right, so you swing around and shoot behind your
position...without checking to see who is there.

Quail hunting is not like your local range. There is no fixed 'position'.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

Hunting Accidents
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:18:43 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:

When you are shooting skeet or clays, you know where the target is
going.
That is not true of quail hunting. Quail don't take off and fly in a
straight line down range. Like Reggie said, when you're getting a bead
on
the bird, you're not looking at the ground.

Yeah, right, so you swing around and shoot behind your
position...without checking to see who is there.

Quail hunting is not like your local range. There is no fixed
'position'. --
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************


It's impossible to take your commentary on firearms and their use
seriously. You're the one who reported the sidearm the military issued you
was not in good shape and wasn't accurate, and you did nothing about it.

How's that related to his last statement, which was entirely factual?

Poor Dick Cheney - the saga continues (guffaw)
 

JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Oh shoot! Veep had no license for quail hunt
BY KENNETH R. BAZINET
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU
Monday, February 13th, 2006

WASHINGTON - Vice President Cheney had no license to kill - quail, that
is.

BFD. Yawn

Jim, do you think that it's okay for people to poach? Or is it just
that you think it's okay for Cheney to poach? Laws are laws. If I were
hunting in Texas without a license and shot someone in the face, I'll
bet I'd get a fine for doing so.

Poor Dick Cheney - the saga continues (guffaw)
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Oh shoot! Veep had no license for quail hunt
BY KENNETH R. BAZINET
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU
Monday, February 13th, 2006

WASHINGTON - Vice President Cheney had no license to kill - quail, that
is.
BFD. Yawn

Jim, do you think that it's okay for people to poach? Or is it just
that you think it's okay for Cheney to poach? Laws are laws. If I were
hunting in Texas without a license and shot someone in the face, I'll
bet I'd get a fine for doing so.



Have you seen any indicators that a police official or some other sworn
officer of that Texas county where the "accident" took place has
interrogated Cheney?

It's not that I don't believe Cheney...but I don't believe Cheney. I'm
sure it was an "accident," but I want to know that even the VP is not
above the law and therefore was or will be questioned by police.

They reported the shooting to the local police, not not the press. You call
the local paper everytime you have an accident?

Hunting Accidents
 

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:32:11 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:18:43 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:

When you are shooting skeet or clays, you know where the target is going.
That is not true of quail hunting. Quail don't take off and fly in a
straight line down range. Like Reggie said, when you're getting a bead on
the bird, you're not looking at the ground.

Yeah, right, so you swing around and shoot behind your
position...without checking to see who is there.

Quail hunting is not like your local range. There is no fixed 'position'.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************


It's impossible to take your commentary on firearms and their use
seriously. You're the one who reported the sidearm the military issued
you was not in good shape and wasn't accurate, and you did nothing about
it.

Sure I did. I qualified in its use. Several times. The M-16 I had was like
new.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

Hunting Accidents
 

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:32:11 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:18:43 -0500, Harry Krause

wrote:

JohnH wrote:

When you are shooting skeet or clays, you know where the target is
going.
That is not true of quail hunting. Quail don't take off and fly in a
straight line down range. Like Reggie said, when you're getting a bead
on
the bird, you're not looking at the ground.

Yeah, right, so you swing around and shoot behind your
position...without checking to see who is there.

Quail hunting is not like your local range. There is no fixed
'position'.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************


It's impossible to take your commentary on firearms and their use
seriously. You're the one who reported the sidearm the military issued
you was not in good shape and wasn't accurate, and you did nothing about
it.

Sure I did. I qualified in its use. Several times. The M-16 I had was like
new.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

John, take it to alt.guns

Poor Dick Cheney - the saga continues (guffaw)
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message


Yes, if I were the vice president of the United States and I "accidently"
shot someone, I would hold a brief public conference immediately after the
victim was in the hospital, explain what happened, apologize for my
stupidity, and ask everyone to pray for the victim's recovery.

But, then, I don't suffer from the hubris of Bush or Cheney.

In this we agree 100%. It is stupid, arrogant and boorish to do nothing.

RCE

Hunting Accidents
 

Harry Krause wrote:

Harry's out furiously trying to find the difference between rabbits,
rockets, and birds.

Say what?

Harry doesn't know the first thing about sporting clays. Compare his
statements to this description of sporting clays:

http://www.clay-shooting.com/A-Z/A-ZFitasc.pdf

--
Skipper

Poor Dick Cheney - the saga continues (guffaw)
 

"RCE" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message


Yes, if I were the vice president of the United States and I "accidently"
shot someone, I would hold a brief public conference immediately after
the victim was in the hospital, explain what happened, apologize for my
stupidity, and ask everyone to pray for the victim's recovery.

But, then, I don't suffer from the hubris of Bush or Cheney.

In this we agree 100%. It is stupid, arrogant and boorish to do nothing.

RCE


He reported it to the local police. He is going to be pilloried whatever he
does.

Hunting Accidents
 

Harry Krause wrote:

Harry doesn't know the first thing about sporting clays. Compare his
statements to this description of sporting clays:

http://www.clay-shooting.com/A-Z/A-ZFitasc.pdf

Let's see. *I* was supposed to be furiously searching for info on
sporting clays, but Snipper is the one who was out searching so he could
post something?

Believe Hoodoo said it for us in his 'Frank' post, you are a fraud.

--
Skipper

Poor Dick Cheney - the saga continues (guffaw)
 

Hunting Accidents
 

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:45:59 -0600, Skipper penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


Harry Krause wrote:


Harry's out furiously trying to find the difference between rabbits,
rockets, and birds.

Say what?

Harry doesn't know the first thing about sporting clays. Compare his
statements to this description of sporting clays:



Simply amazing! Skipper, the "traditional values" guru posts, as
example, how the French shooting clays work.

Here's a heads up... you are in America... and we don't necessarily
use the French as our role models, so for how Americans do it, see
he
http://www.mynsca.com/about.shtml


Is Skipper a '5th Columnist' for the French? Pity!

Hunting Accidents
 

Gene Kearns wrote:

Skipper penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Harry doesn't know the first thing about sporting clays. Compare his
statements to this description of sporting clays:

Here's a heads up... you are in America...

I maintain a membership and shoot sporting clays regularly. You and
Krause do not. Here's a test. You are at a shooting station with two (2)
sets of doubles. One trap throws the bird directly at your forehead, the
other is a distant tower throwing the bird away. If you shoot the tower
bird first the other bird will be no more than 30' away when you finally
pull the trigger on it. Which bird do you shoot first?

--
Skipper

Hunting Accidents
 

Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:

I maintain a membership and shoot sporting clays regularly.

Bullship.

That the name of your fab lobstaboat, Krause?

--
Skipper

Hunting Accidents
 

Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:

Here's a test.

No one's playing your idiot games.

Ready for your test score, Krause?

--
Skipper

Hunting Accidents
 

Gene Kearns wrote:

I maintain a membership and shoot sporting clays regularly. You and
Krause do not. Here's a test. You are at a shooting station with two (2)
sets of doubles. One trap throws the bird directly at your forehead, the
other is a distant tower throwing the bird away. If you shoot the tower
bird first the other bird will be no more than 30' away when you finally
pull the trigger on it. Which bird do you shoot first?

I'll shoot the one going away. Even if a bird *did* fly at my forehead, I'd
let it go

Then there's no reason to ask the follow up question as to which barrel
you'd select for each shot as you failed at the double.

The barrel selection question will be reserved for someone who actually
shoots sporting clays. Unlike you, they will know the correct answer and
the reason it is pertinent.

--
Skipper

Hunting Accidents
 

Harry Krause wrote:

Then there's no reason to ask the follow up question as to which barrel
you'd select for each shot as you failed at the double.

The barrel selection question will be reserved for someone who actually
shoots sporting clays. Unlike you, they will know the correct answer and
the reason it is pertinent.

Everyone is *on* to you.

Good. And we can assume everyone now understands you lied about shooting
sporting clays.

--
Skipper

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Harry Krause wrote:

Good. And we can assume everyone now understands you lied about shooting
sporting clays.

Sorry, "Wile," but all that happened here is that I once again declined
to play.

Ah yes, the plausible deniability ruse again, eh, Krause?

--
Skipper