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Go do a search at www.npr.org. That's usually the first radio station I
tune to in the car. Next would be our local right-wing Clear Channel
disaster, WHAM.

The original cartoons were published Sept.30 in Jyllands-Posten. I'm
not
sure, but I don't believe it's a "Christian" newspaper. The following
link has the paper's rationale for the cartoons.

http://www.jp.dk/udland/tema:fid=11328/

The cartoons:

http://blog.newspaperindex.com/2005/...posten-racism/

Interesting debate, freedom of speech vs. religious sensibilities. To
place it closer to home, to those in the freedom of speech camp, did you
also support Serrano's freedom to display his **** Christ?

http://www.usc.edu/schools/annenberg...mages/502.html

Hadn't seen it. But, there might be a difference. Muslims believe it's a
bad
thing to portray their god in any way at all. Christians don't have such
issues with the mere existence of images of JC. The *nature* of an image
of
JC is another issue entirely.

but equaly offensive wouldn't you say?

Yep, perhaps more so. Yet we don't see Catholics and Christians taking to
the streets with guns and sabers threatening to cut off the heads of the
"infidels".

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On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 03:10:29 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Really, I don't. Heard it on at least 3 news sources within 48 hours
of
the
initial occurrence. But, it really doesn't matter.

well, yes it does because if it was a christian newspaper, then that
is a whole different story. and i have looked and looked and looked
and cant find a reference to a christian newspaper.

Tom, if you think I'm inventing this, let me know, and give me a good
reason
why I'd do so. Unfortunately, money's been tight, so a few months back,
I
had to fire the secretary who used to follow me around and take notes
any
time I wanted to track something which might be of interest to this
newsgroup. Otherwise, I'd have the precise date & time I heard this,
the
source, the reporter's name & shoe size, etc.

Here's an angle: Can you think of any reasons why news editors &
producers
might've dropped the "Christian" aspect of this story very quickly?

forget it - as you said - no biggie.

I think the non-Danish media are stepping very lightly around this, since
the initial incident. You can imagine the results if they did otherwise.

my take is that american media wont show the cartoons because they are
afraid that their buildings will be burned down, they will be murdered
or a combination of the two.

Sounds like a good reason.


Doug, you have just been terrorized.

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thunder wrote:
The original cartoons were published Sept.30 in Jyllands-Posten. I'm
not
sure, but I don't believe it's a "Christian" newspaper. The following
link has the paper's rationale for the cartoons.

http://www.jp.dk/udland/tema:fid=11328/

The cartoons:

http://blog.newspaperindex.com/2005/...posten-racism/

Interesting debate, freedom of speech vs. religious sensibilities. To
place it closer to home, to those in the freedom of speech camp, did you
also support Serrano's freedom to display his **** Christ?
http://www.usc.edu/schools/annenberg...mages/502.html

I don't understand why it's a "freedom of speech" issue. It's an issue of
Muslim hate-mongers convincing a lot of ignorant peasants that the rules
of Islam should somehow apply to Danes also.

Do Catholics riot & burn every time somebody tells a joke about the Pope?

DSK


Don't know. But that fictional story about violence and religion in Northern
Ireland was really interesting. You know the one: Catholics and Protestants
killing each other for a lot of years. Luckily, it never really happened.
Christians arent' violent.

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On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:41:18 +0000, Doug Kanter wrote:


Go do a search at www.npr.org. That's usually the first radio station
I
tune to in the car. Next would be our local right-wing Clear Channel
disaster, WHAM.

The original cartoons were published Sept.30 in Jyllands-Posten. I'm
not
sure, but I don't believe it's a "Christian" newspaper. The following
link has the paper's rationale for the cartoons.

http://www.jp.dk/udland/tema:fid=11328/

The cartoons:

http://blog.newspaperindex.com/2005/...posten-racism/

Interesting debate, freedom of speech vs. religious sensibilities. To
place it closer to home, to those in the freedom of speech camp, did
you
also support Serrano's freedom to display his **** Christ?

http://www.usc.edu/schools/annenberg...mages/502.html

Hadn't seen it. But, there might be a difference. Muslims believe it's a
bad
thing to portray their god in any way at all. Christians don't have such
issues with the mere existence of images of JC. The *nature* of an image
of
JC is another issue entirely.

but equaly offensive wouldn't you say?

Yep, perhaps more so. Yet we don't see Catholics and Christians taking to
the streets with guns and sabers threatening to cut off the heads of the
"infidels".


In a different cultural or legal environment, they might. After all, people
in this country did (and sometimes still do) burn crosses on lawns, as an
editorial comment on someone's color or politics.

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Do Catholics riot & burn every time somebody tells a joke
about the Pope?

speaking of which....

um.....

never mind. :)

Great Far Side cartoon: Movie theatre, pope sitting up front, cardinal
further back yelling "Lose the hat!" or something like that. :-)

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On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 03:10:29 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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Really, I don't. Heard it on at least 3 news sources within 48 hours
of
the
initial occurrence. But, it really doesn't matter.

well, yes it does because if it was a christian newspaper, then that
is a whole different story. and i have looked and looked and looked
and cant find a reference to a christian newspaper.

Tom, if you think I'm inventing this, let me know, and give me a good
reason
why I'd do so. Unfortunately, money's been tight, so a few months
back, I
had to fire the secretary who used to follow me around and take notes
any
time I wanted to track something which might be of interest to this
newsgroup. Otherwise, I'd have the precise date & time I heard this,
the
source, the reporter's name & shoe size, etc.

Here's an angle: Can you think of any reasons why news editors &
producers
might've dropped the "Christian" aspect of this story very quickly?

forget it - as you said - no biggie.

I think the non-Danish media are stepping very lightly around this,
since
the initial incident. You can imagine the results if they did otherwise.

my take is that american media wont show the cartoons because they are
afraid that their buildings will be burned down, they will be murdered
or a combination of the two.

Sounds like a good reason.


Doug, you have just been terrorized.


The cat just arrived to administer the lunchtime foot & ankle attack.

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On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:41:18 +0000, Doug Kanter wrote:


Go do a search at www.npr.org. That's usually the first radio station
I
tune to in the car. Next would be our local right-wing Clear Channel
disaster, WHAM.

The original cartoons were published Sept.30 in Jyllands-Posten. I'm
not
sure, but I don't believe it's a "Christian" newspaper. The following
link has the paper's rationale for the cartoons.

http://www.jp.dk/udland/tema:fid=11328/

The cartoons:

http://blog.newspaperindex.com/2005/...posten-racism/

Interesting debate, freedom of speech vs. religious sensibilities. To
place it closer to home, to those in the freedom of speech camp, did
you
also support Serrano's freedom to display his **** Christ?

http://www.usc.edu/schools/annenberg...mages/502.html

Hadn't seen it. But, there might be a difference. Muslims believe it's a
bad
thing to portray their god in any way at all. Christians don't have such
issues with the mere existence of images of JC. The *nature* of an image
of
JC is another issue entirely.

but equaly offensive wouldn't you say?

Yep, perhaps more so. Yet we don't see Catholics and Christians taking
to the streets with guns and sabers threatening to cut off the heads of
the "infidels".


In a different cultural or legal environment, they might. After all,
people in this country did (and sometimes still do) burn crosses on lawns,
as an editorial comment on someone's color or politics.


We are talking religion Doug, not race or politics.

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On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:41:18 +0000, Doug Kanter wrote:


Go do a search at www.npr.org. That's usually the first radio
station I
tune to in the car. Next would be our local right-wing Clear Channel
disaster, WHAM.

The original cartoons were published Sept.30 in Jyllands-Posten.
I'm not
sure, but I don't believe it's a "Christian" newspaper. The
following
link has the paper's rationale for the cartoons.

http://www.jp.dk/udland/tema:fid=11328/

The cartoons:

http://blog.newspaperindex.com/2005/...posten-racism/

Interesting debate, freedom of speech vs. religious sensibilities.
To
place it closer to home, to those in the freedom of speech camp, did
you
also support Serrano's freedom to display his **** Christ?

http://www.usc.edu/schools/annenberg...mages/502.html

Hadn't seen it. But, there might be a difference. Muslims believe it's
a bad
thing to portray their god in any way at all. Christians don't have
such
issues with the mere existence of images of JC. The *nature* of an
image of
JC is another issue entirely.

but equaly offensive wouldn't you say?

Yep, perhaps more so. Yet we don't see Catholics and Christians taking
to the streets with guns and sabers threatening to cut off the heads of
the "infidels".


In a different cultural or legal environment, they might. After all,
people in this country did (and sometimes still do) burn crosses on
lawns, as an editorial comment on someone's color or politics.


We are talking religion Doug, not race or politics.


In this context, I don't think it makes much difference. The point is that
given the liberty to do so (like a small town sherriff who looks the other
way), people will get away with whatever they can.

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On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:41:18 +0000, Doug Kanter wrote:


Go do a search at www.npr.org. That's usually the first radio
station I
tune to in the car. Next would be our local right-wing Clear
Channel
disaster, WHAM.

The original cartoons were published Sept.30 in Jyllands-Posten. I'm
not
sure, but I don't believe it's a "Christian" newspaper. The
following
link has the paper's rationale for the cartoons.

http://www.jp.dk/udland/tema:fid=11328/

The cartoons:

http://blog.newspaperindex.com/2005/...posten-racism/

Interesting debate, freedom of speech vs. religious sensibilities.
To
place it closer to home, to those in the freedom of speech camp, did
you
also support Serrano's freedom to display his **** Christ?

http://www.usc.edu/schools/annenberg...mages/502.html

Hadn't seen it. But, there might be a difference. Muslims believe it's
a bad
thing to portray their god in any way at all. Christians don't have
such
issues with the mere existence of images of JC. The *nature* of an
image of
JC is another issue entirely.

but equaly offensive wouldn't you say?

Yep, perhaps more so. Yet we don't see Catholics and Christians taking
to the streets with guns and sabers threatening to cut off the heads of
the "infidels".


In a different cultural or legal environment, they might. After all,
people in this country did (and sometimes still do) burn crosses on
lawns, as an editorial comment on someone's color or politics.


We are talking religion Doug, not race or politics.


In this context, I don't think it makes much difference. The point is that
given the liberty to do so (like a small town sherriff who looks the other
way), people will get away with whatever they can.


Sorry Doug but you are grasping at straws and drawing this discussion off
the original topic.

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On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:41:18 +0000, Doug Kanter wrote:


Go do a search at www.npr.org. That's usually the first radio
station I
tune to in the car. Next would be our local right-wing Clear
Channel
disaster, WHAM.

The original cartoons were published Sept.30 in Jyllands-Posten.
I'm not
sure, but I don't believe it's a "Christian" newspaper. The
following
link has the paper's rationale for the cartoons.

http://www.jp.dk/udland/tema:fid=11328/

The cartoons:

http://blog.newspaperindex.com/2005/...posten-racism/

Interesting debate, freedom of speech vs. religious sensibilities.
To
place it closer to home, to those in the freedom of speech camp,
did you
also support Serrano's freedom to display his **** Christ?

http://www.usc.edu/schools/annenberg...mages/502.html

Hadn't seen it. But, there might be a difference. Muslims believe
it's a bad
thing to portray their god in any way at all. Christians don't have
such
issues with the mere existence of images of JC. The *nature* of an
image of
JC is another issue entirely.

but equaly offensive wouldn't you say?

Yep, perhaps more so. Yet we don't see Catholics and Christians
taking to the streets with guns and sabers threatening to cut off the
heads of the "infidels".


In a different cultural or legal environment, they might. After all,
people in this country did (and sometimes still do) burn crosses on
lawns, as an editorial comment on someone's color or politics.


We are talking religion Doug, not race or politics.


In this context, I don't think it makes much difference. The point is
that given the liberty to do so (like a small town sherriff who looks the
other way), people will get away with whatever they can.


Sorry Doug but you are grasping at straws and drawing this discussion off
the original topic.


Not really. Muslims are currently flipping out because of what they perceive
to be a religious slur. Religion, race and politics (and soccer, if you're
from South America) are perhaps the most likely subjects that can cause
violence. It's really all the same, in a sense.

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On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 03:10:29 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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Really, I don't. Heard it on at least 3 news sources within 48 hours of
the
initial occurrence. But, it really doesn't matter.

well, yes it does because if it was a christian newspaper, then that
is a whole different story. and i have looked and looked and looked
and cant find a reference to a christian newspaper.

Tom, if you think I'm inventing this, let me know, and give me a good
reason why I'd do so. Unfortunately, money's been tight, so a few months
back, I had to fire the secretary who used to follow me around and take
notes any time I wanted to track something which might be of interest to
this newsgroup. Otherwise, I'd have the precise date & time I heard
this, the source, the reporter's name & shoe size, etc.

Here's an angle: Can you think of any reasons why news editors &
producers might've dropped the "Christian" aspect of this story very
quickly?


You need to start thinking more capitalist and less socialist and money
will not be so tight.

Show us the proof it was a christian publication.


Show me proof I didn't hear it.


Or so now you heard it... ok... i have checked everywhere, even NPR, and
there is no mention that it was a Christian newspaper.

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On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:41:18 +0000, Doug Kanter wrote:


Go do a search at www.npr.org. That's usually the first radio station I
tune to in the car. Next would be our local right-wing Clear Channel
disaster, WHAM.

The original cartoons were published Sept.30 in Jyllands-Posten.
I'm not
sure, but I don't believe it's a "Christian" newspaper. The following
link has the paper's rationale for the cartoons.

http://www.jp.dk/udland/tema:fid=11328/

The cartoons:

http://blog.newspaperindex.com/2005/...posten-racism/


Interesting debate, freedom of speech vs. religious sensibilities. To
place it closer to home, to those in the freedom of speech camp, did you
also support Serrano's freedom to display his **** Christ?

http://www.usc.edu/schools/annenberg...mages/502.html



Hadn't seen it. But, there might be a difference. Muslims believe it's
a bad thing to portray their god in any way at all. Christians don't
have such issues with the mere existence of images of JC. The *nature*
of an image of JC is another issue entirely.



Mohammed isn't the Muslim god. And it is only *some* Muslims who believe
depicting Mohammed is sinful, because there are plenty of Muslim cities
where he is depicted.

What we have now is the simple-minded Muslim rabble being stirred up for
various reasons.

I think every country should arrest and charge/deport any cleric who
preaches hatred & violence.

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wrote:

This isn't "major* political crap. No one is calling Bush an idiot here,
or even blaming it on Bill Clinton.

Have a few more poptarts, eh?

Give it up Harry, wrong group.

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On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:41:18 +0000, Doug Kanter wrote:


Go do a search at www.npr.org. That's usually the first radio station
I
tune to in the car. Next would be our local right-wing Clear Channel
disaster, WHAM.

The original cartoons were published Sept.30 in Jyllands-Posten. I'm
not
sure, but I don't believe it's a "Christian" newspaper. The following
link has the paper's rationale for the cartoons.

http://www.jp.dk/udland/tema:fid=11328/

The cartoons:

http://blog.newspaperindex.com/2005/...posten-racism/

Interesting debate, freedom of speech vs. religious sensibilities. To
place it closer to home, to those in the freedom of speech camp, did
you
also support Serrano's freedom to display his **** Christ?

http://www.usc.edu/schools/annenberg...mages/502.html


Hadn't seen it. But, there might be a difference. Muslims believe it's a
bad thing to portray their god in any way at all. Christians don't have
such issues with the mere existence of images of JC. The *nature* of an
image of JC is another issue entirely.



Mohammed isn't the Muslim god. And it is only *some* Muslims who believe
depicting Mohammed is sinful, because there are plenty of Muslim cities
where he is depicted.

What we have now is the simple-minded Muslim rabble being stirred up for
various reasons.

I think every country should arrest and charge/deport any cleric who
preaches hatred & violence.

Deport them to where, though? It'll be like a shell game. We'll send ours to
you, you'll send them to Ghana or Iraq, they'll send theirs to you.... :-)

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On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 03:10:29 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Really, I don't. Heard it on at least 3 news sources within 48 hours
of the
initial occurrence. But, it really doesn't matter.

well, yes it does because if it was a christian newspaper, then that
is a whole different story. and i have looked and looked and looked
and cant find a reference to a christian newspaper.

Tom, if you think I'm inventing this, let me know, and give me a good
reason why I'd do so. Unfortunately, money's been tight, so a few
months back, I had to fire the secretary who used to follow me around
and take notes any time I wanted to track something which might be of
interest to this newsgroup. Otherwise, I'd have the precise date & time
I heard this, the source, the reporter's name & shoe size, etc.

Here's an angle: Can you think of any reasons why news editors &
producers might've dropped the "Christian" aspect of this story very
quickly?


You need to start thinking more capitalist and less socialist and money
will not be so tight.

Show us the proof it was a christian publication.


Show me proof I didn't hear it.


Or so now you heard it... ok... i have checked everywhere, even NPR, and
there is no mention that it was a Christian newspaper.


OK, then.

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On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 12:09:12 -0500, JimH wrote:


Yep, perhaps more so. Yet we don't see Catholics and Christians taking to
the streets with guns and sabers threatening to cut off the heads of the
"infidels".

I don't know. What was Pat Robertson doing? ;-)

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On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:48:55 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 12:09:12 -0500, JimH wrote:


Yep, perhaps more so. Yet we don't see Catholics and Christians taking
to
the streets with guns and sabers threatening to cut off the heads of
the
"infidels".
I don't know. What was Pat Robertson doing? ;-)

oh, id bet there are a few neo-pagan neo-facist groups out there who
would do that in a heart beat.


Brother Robertson is out with a new pronouncement, saying Europe is
causing its own demise by not impregnating its white women. I kid you not.

Here's a theory: Robertson is being paid to come out with a new insane
pronouncement on a regular basis, to make a certain someone appear competent
by comparison.

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Harry Krause wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:

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On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:41:18 +0000, Doug Kanter wrote:


Go do a search at www.npr.org. That's usually the first radio
station I
tune to in the car. Next would be our local right-wing Clear Channel
disaster, WHAM.

The original cartoons were published Sept.30 in Jyllands-Posten.
I'm not
sure, but I don't believe it's a "Christian" newspaper. The following
link has the paper's rationale for the cartoons.

http://www.jp.dk/udland/tema:fid=11328/

The cartoons:

http://blog.newspaperindex.com/2005/...posten-racism/


Interesting debate, freedom of speech vs. religious sensibilities. To
place it closer to home, to those in the freedom of speech camp,
did you
also support Serrano's freedom to display his **** Christ?

http://www.usc.edu/schools/annenberg...mages/502.html



Hadn't seen it. But, there might be a difference. Muslims believe
it's a bad thing to portray their god in any way at all. Christians
don't have such issues with the mere existence of images of JC. The
*nature* of an image of JC is another issue entirely.


Mohammed isn't the Muslim god. And it is only *some* Muslims who
believe depicting Mohammed is sinful, because there are plenty of
Muslim cities where he is depicted.

What we have now is the simple-minded Muslim rabble being stirred up
for various reasons.


I think every country should arrest and charge/deport any cleric who
preaches hatred & violence.



Will you take Pat Robertson?

Take him where.... out to sea for disposal?

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Doug Kanter wrote:


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On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:41:18 +0000, Doug Kanter wrote:



Go do a search at www.npr.org. That's usually the first radio station
I
tune to in the car. Next would be our local right-wing Clear Channel
disaster, WHAM.

The original cartoons were published Sept.30 in Jyllands-Posten. I'm
not
sure, but I don't believe it's a "Christian" newspaper. The following
link has the paper's rationale for the cartoons.

http://www.jp.dk/udland/tema:fid=11328/

The cartoons:

http://blog.newspaperindex.com/2005/...posten-racism/

Interesting debate, freedom of speech vs. religious sensibilities. To
place it closer to home, to those in the freedom of speech camp, did
you
also support Serrano's freedom to display his **** Christ?

http://www.usc.edu/schools/annenberg...mages/502.html


Hadn't seen it. But, there might be a difference. Muslims believe it's a
bad thing to portray their god in any way at all. Christians don't have
such issues with the mere existence of images of JC. The *nature* of an
image of JC is another issue entirely.



Mohammed isn't the Muslim god. And it is only *some* Muslims who believe
depicting Mohammed is sinful, because there are plenty of Muslim cities
where he is depicted.

What we have now is the simple-minded Muslim rabble being stirred up for
various reasons.

I think every country should arrest and charge/deport any cleric who
preaches hatred & violence.


Deport them to where, though? It'll be like a shell game. We'll send ours to
you, you'll send them to Ghana or Iraq, they'll send theirs to you.... :-)


Suppose it would be easier if they were actually born elsewhere....
but Texas seems like a good spot in a pinch.

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Go do a search at www.npr.org. That's usually the first radio
station I
tune to in the car. Next would be our local right-wing Clear Channel
disaster, WHAM.

The original cartoons were published Sept.30 in Jyllands-Posten.
I'm not
sure, but I don't believe it's a "Christian" newspaper. The
following
link has the paper's rationale for the cartoons.

http://www.jp.dk/udland/tema:fid=11328/

The cartoons:

http://blog.newspaperindex.com/2005/...posten-racism/

Interesting debate, freedom of speech vs. religious sensibilities.
To
place it closer to home, to those in the freedom of speech camp, did
you
also support Serrano's freedom to display his **** Christ?

http://www.usc.edu/schools/annenberg...mages/502.html


Hadn't seen it. But, there might be a difference. Muslims believe it's
a bad thing to portray their god in any way at all. Christians don't
have such issues with the mere existence of images of JC. The *nature*
of an image of JC is another issue entirely.


Mohammed isn't the Muslim god. And it is only *some* Muslims who
believe depicting Mohammed is sinful, because there are plenty of
Muslim cities where he is depicted.

What we have now is the simple-minded Muslim rabble being stirred up
for various reasons.


I think every country should arrest and charge/deport any cleric who
preaches hatred & violence.



Will you take Pat Robertson?

Take him where.... out to sea for disposal?

That would be a good start.

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Really, I don't. Heard it on at least 3 news sources within 48 hours
of the
initial occurrence. But, it really doesn't matter.

well, yes it does because if it was a christian newspaper, then that
is a whole different story. and i have looked and looked and looked
and cant find a reference to a christian newspaper.

Tom, if you think I'm inventing this, let me know, and give me a good
reason why I'd do so. Unfortunately, money's been tight, so a few
months back, I had to fire the secretary who used to follow me around
and take notes any time I wanted to track something which might be of
interest to this newsgroup. Otherwise, I'd have the precise date &
time I heard this, the source, the reporter's name & shoe size, etc.

Here's an angle: Can you think of any reasons why news editors &
producers might've dropped the "Christian" aspect of this story very
quickly?


You need to start thinking more capitalist and less socialist and money
will not be so tight.

Show us the proof it was a christian publication.


Show me proof I didn't hear it.


Or so now you heard it... ok... i have checked everywhere, even NPR, and
there is no mention that it was a Christian newspaper.


OK, then.


Love your style!

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On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 03:10:29 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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Really, I don't. Heard it on at least 3 news sources within 48 hours
of the
initial occurrence. But, it really doesn't matter.

well, yes it does because if it was a christian newspaper, then that
is a whole different story. and i have looked and looked and looked
and cant find a reference to a christian newspaper.

Tom, if you think I'm inventing this, let me know, and give me a good
reason why I'd do so. Unfortunately, money's been tight, so a few
months back, I had to fire the secretary who used to follow me around
and take notes any time I wanted to track something which might be of
interest to this newsgroup. Otherwise, I'd have the precise date &
time I heard this, the source, the reporter's name & shoe size, etc.

Here's an angle: Can you think of any reasons why news editors &
producers might've dropped the "Christian" aspect of this story very
quickly?


You need to start thinking more capitalist and less socialist and
money will not be so tight.

Show us the proof it was a christian publication.


Show me proof I didn't hear it.


Or so now you heard it... ok... i have checked everywhere, even NPR, and
there is no mention that it was a Christian newspaper.


OK, then.


Love your style!


Well, whattya want??? I heard it, nobody can find it, and that's that.
Onward.

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On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 03:10:29 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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Really, I don't. Heard it on at least 3 news sources within 48 hours
of the
initial occurrence. But, it really doesn't matter.

well, yes it does because if it was a christian newspaper, then that
is a whole different story. and i have looked and looked and looked
and cant find a reference to a christian newspaper.

Tom, if you think I'm inventing this, let me know, and give me a good
reason why I'd do so. Unfortunately, money's been tight, so a few
months back, I had to fire the secretary who used to follow me around
and take notes any time I wanted to track something which might be of
interest to this newsgroup. Otherwise, I'd have the precise date &
time I heard this, the source, the reporter's name & shoe size, etc.

Here's an angle: Can you think of any reasons why news editors &
producers might've dropped the "Christian" aspect of this story very
quickly?


You need to start thinking more capitalist and less socialist and
money will not be so tight.

Show us the proof it was a christian publication.


Show me proof I didn't hear it.


Or so now you heard it... ok... i have checked everywhere, even NPR, and
there is no mention that it was a Christian newspaper.


OK, then.


Love your style!


Well, whattya want??? I heard it, nobody can find it, and that's that.
Onward.


Doug, FWIW, on ABC radio, yesterday, the announcer was referring to
'secular European newspapers' when discussing who had printed the cartoons.
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"Doug Kanter" wrote:

Well, whattya want??? I heard it, nobody can find it, and that's that.
Onward.


Doug, FWIW, on ABC radio, yesterday, the announcer was referring to
'secular European newspapers' when discussing who had printed the cartoons.

From The Oregonian 2/8/06

9/30/05 - The Jyllands-Posten, one of Denmark's largest
daily newspapers first publishes the 12 drawings.

1/10/06 - A Christian newspaper in Norway, Magazinet,
reprints the cartoons.

Late Jan.-early Feb. - Media in France, Germany, The United
States, Britain, Iceland, Italy, Spain, Belgium,
Switzerland, Hungary, Greenland, Bulgaria, Portugal, and
Jordan reprint the cartoons.

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JohnH wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote:

Well, whattya want??? I heard it, nobody can find it, and that's that.
Onward.

Doug, FWIW, on ABC radio, yesterday, the announcer was referring to
'secular European newspapers' when discussing who had printed the
cartoons.

From The Oregonian 2/8/06

9/30/05 - The Jyllands-Posten, one of Denmark's largest daily newspapers
first publishes the 12 drawings.

1/10/06 - A Christian newspaper in Norway, Magazinet, reprints the
cartoons.

Late Jan.-early Feb. - Media in France, Germany, The United States,
Britain, Iceland, Italy, Spain, Belgium, Switzerland, Hungary, Greenland,
Bulgaria, Portugal, and Jordan reprint the cartoons.


Thanks. I knew I'd heard it. Be sure to find cites, white papers, links and
witnesses. The ladies here are gonna be all over you by lunchtime today.

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JohnH wrote:
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Well, whattya want??? I heard it, nobody can find it, and that's that.
Onward.

Doug, FWIW, on ABC radio, yesterday, the announcer was referring to
'secular European newspapers' when discussing who had printed the
cartoons.

From The Oregonian 2/8/06

9/30/05 - The Jyllands-Posten, one of Denmark's largest daily newspapers
first publishes the 12 drawings.

1/10/06 - A Christian newspaper in Norway, Magazinet, reprints the
cartoons.

Late Jan.-early Feb. - Media in France, Germany, The United States,
Britain, Iceland, Italy, Spain, Belgium, Switzerland, Hungary, Greenland,
Bulgaria, Portugal, and Jordan reprint the cartoons.


Thanks. I knew I'd heard it. Be sure to find cites, white papers, links
and witnesses. The ladies here are gonna be all over you by lunchtime
today.


So one Christian newspaper out of how many reprinted it? and its a christian
thing right?

Today University of Illinois, the Daily Illini reprinted them too. Maybe its
an academic thing too. I mean lets blame the students for this.

Did you also hear that Islamists are burning down buildings and killing
people over the cartoons - however we need to defend them, after all, they
are innocent!!

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JohnH wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote:

Well, whattya want??? I heard it, nobody can find it, and that's
that. Onward.

Doug, FWIW, on ABC radio, yesterday, the announcer was referring to
'secular European newspapers' when discussing who had printed the
cartoons.

From The Oregonian 2/8/06

9/30/05 - The Jyllands-Posten, one of Denmark's largest daily newspapers
first publishes the 12 drawings.

1/10/06 - A Christian newspaper in Norway, Magazinet, reprints the
cartoons.

Late Jan.-early Feb. - Media in France, Germany, The United States,
Britain, Iceland, Italy, Spain, Belgium, Switzerland, Hungary,
Greenland, Bulgaria, Portugal, and Jordan reprint the cartoons.


Thanks. I knew I'd heard it. Be sure to find cites, white papers, links
and witnesses. The ladies here are gonna be all over you by lunchtime
today.


So one Christian newspaper out of how many reprinted it? and its a
christian thing right?

Today University of Illinois, the Daily Illini reprinted them too. Maybe
its an academic thing too. I mean lets blame the students for this.

Did you also hear that Islamists are burning down buildings and killing
people over the cartoons - however we need to defend them, after all, they
are innocent!!

You should go back to the point where I joined this thread. My point was NOT
that we should support rioters. And, that university's paper is stupid for
reprinting the cartoons.

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"-rick-" wrote in message
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JohnH wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote:

Well, whattya want??? I heard it, nobody can find it, and that's
that.
Onward.

Doug, FWIW, on ABC radio, yesterday, the announcer was referring to
'secular European newspapers' when discussing who had printed the
cartoons.

From The Oregonian 2/8/06

9/30/05 - The Jyllands-Posten, one of Denmark's largest daily newspapers
first publishes the 12 drawings.

1/10/06 - A Christian newspaper in Norway, Magazinet, reprints the
cartoons.

Late Jan.-early Feb. - Media in France, Germany, The United States,
Britain, Iceland, Italy, Spain, Belgium, Switzerland, Hungary,
Greenland,
Bulgaria, Portugal, and Jordan reprint the cartoons.


Thanks. I knew I'd heard it. Be sure to find cites, white papers, links
and
witnesses. The ladies here are gonna be all over you by lunchtime today.

Al due respect Doug, but even you can tell the difference between the
two.

WINK!

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.... Heard it on at least 3 news sources within 48 hours of the initial
occurrence. But, it really doesn't matter.

Probably Air America.

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i dont know. you said it was a christian newspaper - i havent seen
anything that references a christian newspaper. im quite sure i would
have noticed it reading about it or it would have been all over the
political blogs i read - havent seen one thing about it being a
christian newspaper.

in Dougie's world, anything that goes wrong is attributable to either George
Bush or "The Christian Right".

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In a different cultural or legal environment, they might. After all,
people in this country did (and sometimes still do) burn crosses on lawns,
as an editorial comment on someone's color or politics.

That was terrorism, pure and simple. Calling it "editorial comment" is only
about 2 steps away from defending it.

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.... Heard it on at least 3 news sources within 48 hours of the initial
occurrence. But, it really doesn't matter.

Probably Air America.


You've been left in the dust. Another visitor here already confirmed that
the cartoons were re-published by some Christian publication. And, I have no
idea who Air America is.

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You've been left in the dust. Another visitor here already confirmed that
the cartoons were re-published by some Christian publication.

from Wikipedia:
"....Magazinet is a conservative Protestant Norwegian newspaper which is
published three times a week. Its average daily circulation as of 2004 is
5,307 copies."

Not even a daily - obviously a huge player in the world of journalism. Of
course, what no one is reporting is that after the initial publication LAST
SEPTEMBER, there was so little response, so little reaction from the world
at large (including muslim populations) that a European group of Islamic
leaders sent a delegation to Egypt and other mid-eastern countries to try to
whip up some outrage. It was only in response to this renewed pressure that
Magazinet republished the cartoons. What your seeing in the news is pure
Hollywood. The fact is that nobody cared at all until the robed and bearded
mad dogs started spewing their crap from every available mosque.

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But while the demonstrations were inflamed at least in part by the
cartoons' republishing by newspapers across continental Europe, the
media in the United States have largely abstained from representing the
cartoons, citing them as "too offensive to run," reports Editor and
Publisher.

more self-serving, dishonest, ass-covering crap from establishment media.
The only honest response I've heard of so far (among outlets refusing to
publish the cartoons) was from the Boston Phoenix in their 2/10/06
editorial: [in part].......

"There are three reasons not to publish the Danish cartoons depicting
Mohammed with his turban styled as a bomb and the other images that have
sparked violent protests and deaths throughout Europe, the Middle East, West
Asia, and Indonesia:
1) Out of fear of retaliation from the international brotherhood of radical
and bloodthirsty Islamists who seek to impose their will on those who do not
believe as they do. This is, frankly, our primary reason for not publishing
any of the images in question. Simply stated, we are being
terrorized.........."

The Herald didn't have the stones. The Globe, no doubt after consultation
with their play-callers in Manhattan, decided that the 1st amendment isn't
really THAT important........

Yet every day major market papers across the country will run cartoons
making George Bush look like Alfred E. Neuman. These ball-less parasites
accord a higher level of respect to nations full of unbathed mad-dog whack
jobs than they accord to the presidency of the United States. Shameful.

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Yet every day major market papers across the country will run cartoons
making George Bush look like Alfred E. Neuman. These ball-less parasites
accord a higher level of respect to nations full of unbathed mad-dog whack
jobs than they accord to the presidency of the United States. Shameful.



I was about to say that because religion is in a category of its own,
publishing an offensive picture of someone's god is different from
publishing a picture of a politician. But, in some instances, there *is* no
difference, and that's one sign of something VERY wrong. No politician
should generate that kind of devotion. It's just a management job, no
different than any other.

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You've been left in the dust. Another visitor here already confirmed that
the cartoons were re-published by some Christian publication.

from Wikipedia:
"....Magazinet is a conservative Protestant Norwegian newspaper which is
published three times a week. Its average daily circulation as of 2004 is
5,307 copies."

Not even a daily - obviously a huge player in the world of journalism. Of
course, what no one is reporting is that after the initial publication
LAST SEPTEMBER, there was so little response, so little reaction from the
world at large (including muslim populations) that a European group of
Islamic leaders sent a delegation to Egypt and other mid-eastern countries
to try to whip up some outrage. It was only in response to this renewed
pressure that Magazinet republished the cartoons. What your seeing in the
news is pure Hollywood. The fact is that nobody cared at all until the
robed and bearded mad dogs started spewing their crap from every available
mosque.




True. But tell me two things, please:

1) Are you able to find the first thing I said about all this in this
thread?

If yes:

2) Briefly, what do you think my point was in my first post?

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1) Are you able to find the first thing I said about all this in this
thread?

I believe so.

2) Briefly, what do you think my point was in my first post?


OK....stop the special bus at the next corner, open the window, and tell
me about your delusion:

I've never had any success at determining the point of gratuitous wise-ass
remarks.

1) A (typically) stupid Christian publication starts this whole mess by
publishing a picture that offends an (equally) stupid bunch of Muslims.

Point indeterminate. Apart from the continued wise-ass, anti-religious
sarcasm (which is pointless on its face), your statement is simply wrong.
The [small, inneffectual] Christian publication did NOT start the whole
mess. The original publication of the cartoons in question first occurred
over four months ago in the Jyllands-Posten, a national, non-aligned
newspaper published in Copenhagen. If any "whole mess" was started, it was
at the behest of the muslim representatives who travelled to the mid-east
with thy sole purpose of stirring up trouble.

2) The Danish government responds by saying it supports free speech,

And your suggestion is what? The Danish government should alter one of the
basic tenets of its own government in response to pressure from a small
group of lunatic religious whackos?


3) The Danish government sees its holdings around the world being
attacked, and you think we should say one friggin' word in its support,

What is your position? That we should NOT support the preservation of free
expression in a friendly nation, simply because they COULD have caved to
terrorist demands but chose not to? ARE YOU SERIOUS?????

Anyway --- your original point? I don't know. Though I usually disagree
with you, you usually have a point. I can't figure this one.

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I was about to say that because religion is in a category of its own,
publishing an offensive picture of someone's god is different from
publishing a picture of a politician. But, in some instances, there *is*
no difference, and that's one sign of something VERY wrong. No politician
should generate that kind of devotion. It's just a management job, no
different than any other.

Doug, you've hit the real point but have missed it in your zeal to turn
everything into an anti-GB rant.

publishing an offensive picture of someone's god is different from
publishing a picture of a politician.

Most muslim societies are, to some degree or other, theocratic. Some have
supposedly elected theocratic governments, others have merely allowed,
through inactivity, radical lunatics to take over their countries. In any
event, notwithstanding all the rabid rhetoric, muslim societies have made
their religion into their politics. The cartoons published in Denmark --
the two that were most "offensive" -- were, in reality, POLITICAL cartoons!

There is no reason on earth why non-muslim societies should be bound by the
precepts of Islam, any more than, for example, Christians should eschew pork
products simply because their Jewish neighbors do. Muslims are free to
never produce a likeness of the Prophet, but that means nothing to me.

Likewise, I see no reason why non-muslim nations should offer any show of
respect to muslim societies that claim to be mainstream but refuse to
respect their own religious precepts; that stand by and say nothing while
the most vile acts are performed in the name of their God and Prophet; and
that allow their religion to be corrupted and compromised by a lunatic
fringe.

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Most muslim societies are, to some degree or other, theocratic. Some
have supposedly elected theocratic governments...

...as this country would be, if checks & balances were not in place.

well, I can see you've gone past the end of the paved roadway. Let us know
when you've returned, so you can rejoin the world.

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Most muslim societies are, to some degree or other, theocratic. Some
have supposedly elected theocratic governments...

...as this country would be, if checks & balances were not in place.

well, I can see you've gone past the end of the paved roadway. Let us
know when you've returned, so you can rejoin the world.


Some religions are non-intrusive. Some are very intrusive. Their followers
believe everyone should see things their way. Can you name one or two
examples of each?