Frankly, the Democrats did not field even ONE 'Swift Boat Veterans' type
ad campaign,


NOYB wrote:
Moveon.org


Yeah right.

1- was it's budget $100 million +

2- was it funded by blatant partisans

3- did it publish outright lies & slander based on fiction,
aimed directly at the most prominent Republicans

The answer to all three is 'not even close' so therefor it's
hardly equal, is it?

Or is your moral position 'the Democrats occasionally don't
tell the whole boring truth, so therefor is't OK for
Republicans (espeically the most radical fundie hard-right
faction) to scream lies all the time'?

It's a rather odd situation for the party of "morality and
responsibility" to be in.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
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Frankly, the Democrats did not field even ONE 'Swift Boat Veterans' type
ad campaign,


NOYB wrote:
Moveon.org


Yeah right.

1- was it's budget $100 million +

2- was it funded by blatant partisans

You're kidding, right?



3- did it publish outright lies & slander based on fiction, aimed directly
at the most prominent Republicans

Of course it did.



The answer to all three is 'not even close' so therefor it's hardly equal,
is it?

The actual answer was "yes" to 2 of the 3 questions.

It may be "yes" to all of the questions, but I haven't the time to lookup
what their budget was.



Or is your moral position 'the Democrats occasionally don't tell the whole
boring truth, so therefor is't OK for Republicans (espeically the most
radical fundie hard-right faction) to scream lies all the time'?

It's a rather odd situation for the party of "morality and responsibility"
to be in.


I really don't know how to curtail blatant political advertising via special
interest groups, and at the same time protect their first amendment rights.

Of course, it'd all be simpler if we just did away with the Bill of Rights.

The answer to all three is 'not even close' so therefor it's hardly equal,
is it?


NOYB wrote:
The actual answer was "yes" to 2 of the 3 questions.

It may be "yes" to all of the questions, but I haven't the time to lookup
what their budget was.

You're kidding right?

Here's the problem for you- reality. Name one lie and/or
slander published by moveon.org.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
...
The answer to all three is 'not even close' so therefor it's hardly
equal, is it?


NOYB wrote:
The actual answer was "yes" to 2 of the 3 questions.

It may be "yes" to all of the questions, but I haven't the time to lookup
what their budget was.

You're kidding right?

Here's the problem for you- reality. Name one lie and/or slander published
by moveon.org.


Name one fact or truth published by them.

NOYB wrote:
Name one fact or truth published by them.


The "reasons" for invading Iraq?

The HUGE increase in the US debt?

The wiretapping of American citizens without warrants?

The torturing?

Social Security "reform"?

Medicare "reform"?

Congressional ethics "reform"?

Actually the list is a lot longer, but I have a busy day ahead.

Posts like this make me think you're really a not-so-covert
Socialist agitator intent on making the U.S. right wing look
bad.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
...
The answer to all three is 'not even close' so therefor it's hardly
equal, is it?


NOYB wrote:
The actual answer was "yes" to 2 of the 3 questions.

It may be "yes" to all of the questions, but I haven't the time to lookup
what their budget was.

You're kidding right?

Here's the problem for you- reality. Name one lie and/or slander published
by moveon.org.

Moveon's claim that Bush lied about the "reasons" for invading Iraq

Moveon's lies that the deficit continues to grow, when it has in fact shrunk
considerably from 2004 to 2005.

Moveon's claims that the President "broke the law" by granting the NSA the
ability to listen to phone calls made by terrorists...when in fact several
Presidents before him took similar steps

Moveon's lies that Bush authorized people like England to pose with naked
Iraqi soldiers with dog collars around their necks.

Moveon's lies and distortion of the statistics about Bush's social security
reform proposals.

Moveon's characterization that Bush is a modern day Hitler

Here's the problem for you- reality. Name one lie and/or slander published
by moveon.org.


NOYB wrote:
Moveon's claim that Bush lied about the "reasons" for invading Iraq


Are you now claiming that President Bush told the truth
about his reasons for invading Iraq? Yellowcake? Trailers?
Links to Al-Queda? Dancing in the streets & tossing flowers
to the liberators?


Moveon's lies that the deficit continues to grow, when it has in fact shrunk
considerably from 2004 to 2005.


Aren't these the same 'accounting tricks' that you're always
accusing others of using to claim Clinton built up a budget
surplus? Is the Iraq war expenses included in this
'shrinking deficit'?



Moveon's claims that the President "broke the law" by granting the NSA the
ability to listen to phone calls made by terrorists...when in fact several
Presidents before him took similar steps

Actually, you're the one lying about Moveon.org's action...
they are petitioning to determine the legaltiy of the
action, not claiming that it's illegal.

And no President has "taken similar steps" unless it was
during a declared war.


Moveon's lies that Bush authorized people like England to pose with naked
Iraqi soldiers with dog collars around their necks.


Please post a link to Moveon.org's statement. And remember,
President Bush is the Commander in Chief of a military that
was ordered to disregard the Geneva Conventions and "push
the envelope" on treatment of prisoners... a doctrine that
presumably came right from the top since it was publicly
declared by the Secretary of Defense and the Attorney
General (presumably with Bush's knowledge & approval).

BTW while we're on the subject of accountability, chain of
command, and legality, how do you feel about President
Bush's use of so many 'signing memoranda' when executing
legislation?


Moveon's lies and distortion of the statistics about Bush's social security
reform proposals.


PLease quote same. President Bush's proposals to "reform"
Social Security were a transparent attempt at looting, and
most Americans were not dumb enough to fall for it... of
course you blame 'libby-rull propaganda' for that.



Moveon's characterization that Bush is a modern day Hitler


Can you provide a link to that? OTOH there is a retouched
photo of Hillary done up to look like Hitler that is very
popular in Republican mail lists, and of course the fake
photo of Kerry with Hanoi Jane.

Actually, I don't follow Moveon.org much at all, so your
protests only serve to give them more publicity. Good work
comrade!

DSK