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"jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... "Tamaroak" wrote in message . .. More people are living in cardboard boxes in this country than ever and these fat cats are making more and paying less taxes than ever. And we are STILL cutting taxes while the deficit skyrockets. How can these people call themselves conservative? The deficit fell from '04 to '05...and its expected to continue to fall through at least '09. In the past 30 years we've gone from: Biggest importer of raw materials and exporter of finished goods to Biggest exporter of raw materials and largest importer of finished goods. China and Japan own a large percentage of our currency, corporations are allowed to operate offshore to avoid taxation and more of our currency is flooding into the mid-east than ever before. I just had a meeting with some very nice folks from the mid-east who don't mind us being in Iraq at all. Their friends are making money hand over fist supplying goods and services to our troops. Not only are we sending them tankerloads of oil money, we're paying them seven different ways for supplying our country with goods and services. Something wrong with this picture? Why are we so damned near-sighted??? The biggest danger to our country is allowing jobs to escape to countries that are not our allies. China is our biggest threat...and corporations have bought into the Chinese government horse and pony show that paints such a rosy scenario over there. It's a facade...and China's recent restrictions placed on Google are a perfect example of how screwed up things are over there right now. For the first time in the last half decade, I decided to buy an American car again. I would hope you and every other American would consider doing the same. For a very long time, American car manufacturers had their problems, and you were right to stay away. But I can assure you that in their latest entries to the market, the American auto maufacturer's quality and engineering is on par with the best of them again. Awhile back you stated that if a car manufacturer made an all-wheel-drive sport sedan that is comparable to what you were driving at the time (an Audi Quattro?), you'd buy it. So now I'm going to hold you to your word: go drive the Cadillac STS AWD or the Chrysler 300M AWD and buy whichever you like better. Either should fit your needs nicely. I went from an Infiniti G35 to a Cadillac STS and have been very happy with the choice. |
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On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:51:12 -0800, jps wrote:
In article . net, says... "Tamaroak" wrote in message . .. More people are living in cardboard boxes in this country than ever and these fat cats are making more and paying less taxes than ever. And we are STILL cutting taxes while the deficit skyrockets. How can these people call themselves conservative? The deficit fell from '04 to '05...and its expected to continue to fall through at least '09. In the past 30 years we've gone from: Biggest importer of raw materials and exporter of finished goods to Biggest exporter of raw materials and largest importer of finished goods. China and Japan own a large percentage of our currency, corporations are allowed to operate offshore to avoid taxation and more of our currency is flooding into the mid-east than ever before. I just had a meeting with some very nice folks from the mid-east who don't mind us being in Iraq at all. Their friends are making money hand over fist supplying goods and services to our troops. Not only are we sending them tankerloads of oil money, we're paying them seven different ways for supplying our country with goods and services. Something wrong with this picture? Why are we so damned near-sighted??? jps It's in a.politics. -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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"jps" wrote in message ... I've had one hell of a time justifying the expense of fuel and, consequently, over the last year our boat has been out very little. Now I come to find that Exxon, Chevron and Halliburton have made more money this past year than at any time in history and our rate of savings hasn't been this low since 1933. 10bil profit on revenue of 100bil seems about right to me. First post here, George? Welcome. 10% is a hefty net profit but it's really about 8.48% (XOM). Compare it to HD at 6.8% or WAG at 3.7%. Few complain about their prices. Dan |
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in : You cannot deny them a profit, but it is obvious the oil company's are fleecing us. Knight-Ridder has a higher profit margin than Exxon-Mobil. Is "Big Media" fleecing us too? And if so, where are your protestations against them? I'm not on either side, but KRI's profits are nothing compared to EOM. Their net income is roughly 13% of EOM's *PROFITS*. Not a good comparison. Dan |
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in : "Fred Dehl" wrote in message ... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in : "Fred Dehl" wrote in message ... jps wrote in om: I've had one hell of a time justifying the expense of fuel and, consequently, over the last year our boat has been out very little. Now I come to find that Exxon, Chevron and Halliburton have made more money this past year than at any time in history and our rate of savings hasn't been this low since 1933. Exxon's profit margin (net income divided by revenue) is 8.4%: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=XOM&annual Knight-Ridder's profit margin is 10.8%: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=KRI&annual Where is your rant against The Obscene Profits Of Big Media? A 10.8% profit is obscene? How about 27% for Exxon Mobil (this following a 75% increase in 2005 3rd quarter) and 51% for ConocoPhillips? Illiterate asshole, See ya..............PLONK Yep, crawl back up your mother's scabaceous infected ****. You can stay warm there without having to buy fuel from Exxon. This gut is off the chart. I can't remember the last time I sent an abuse complaint to an ISP... Dan |
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"jps" wrote in message ... That's a nice theory. However, as DSK pointed out, shareholders haven't been substantially rewarded for the climb in profits. jps Higher profits usually produce higher stock prices. Few public companies pay dividends anymore. It's all in the stock price. I am not saying it's right - I am just saying it's the way it is. A CEO that does not show bottom line growth ain't gonna be a CEO for long. And although publicly reported quarterly, most large companies now report monthly and even weekly, internally. That's why I don't work for one anymore. RCE |
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"Dan Krueger" wrote in message link.net... Fred Dehl wrote: " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in : "Fred Dehl" wrote in message ... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in : "Fred Dehl" wrote in message ... jps wrote in . com: I've had one hell of a time justifying the expense of fuel and, consequently, over the last year our boat has been out very little. Now I come to find that Exxon, Chevron and Halliburton have made more money this past year than at any time in history and our rate of savings hasn't been this low since 1933. Exxon's profit margin (net income divided by revenue) is 8.4%: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=XOM&annual Knight-Ridder's profit margin is 10.8%: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=KRI&annual Where is your rant against The Obscene Profits Of Big Media? A 10.8% profit is obscene? How about 27% for Exxon Mobil (this following a 75% increase in 2005 3rd quarter) and 51% for ConocoPhillips? Illiterate asshole, See ya..............PLONK Yep, crawl back up your mother's scabaceous infected ****. You can stay warm there without having to buy fuel from Exxon. This gut is off the chart. I can't remember the last time I sent an abuse complaint to an ISP... Dan He never had a legitimate point to make. His only resort was to rely on insults and flaming with his replies, tools only the desperate, ill informed/ignorant and uneducated fall back on. Could he have met all 3 categories? |
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On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:38:31 -0800, jps wrote:
In article , says... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in : And folks can choose to stop buying newspapers. Not true of gasoline. Bull****, asswipe. JohnH, are you going to step in here to calm this peckerhead down? Why is it that you're so quick to offer the preamble to the left and not so quick in name-callers like this. For Christ's sake, he just called JimH a faggot treehugger. I just about fell out my chair!!! jps There are a few folks beyond any and all hope. I think Mr. Dehl is one of them. Of course, we have a few who are fast approaching. This is what happens when politics is discussed. My guess is that you folks like the name-calling and acerbic comments. Otherwise, why would you be so engaged? -- 'Til next time, John H ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:38:31 -0800, jps wrote: In article , says... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in : And folks can choose to stop buying newspapers. Not true of gasoline. Bull****, asswipe. JohnH, are you going to step in here to calm this peckerhead down? Why is it that you're so quick to offer the preamble to the left and not so quick in name-callers like this. For Christ's sake, he just called JimH a faggot treehugger. I just about fell out my chair!!! jps There are a few folks beyond any and all hope. I think Mr. Dehl is one of them. Of course, we have a few who are fast approaching. This is what happens when politics is discussed. My guess is that you folks like the name-calling and acerbic comments. Otherwise, why would you be so engaged? -- 'Til next time, John H Come on John.............do you have the balls to really live what you preach here or does your badge and white hat have *selective* hearing? ************************************************** *** *Have a Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious Day**** ************************************************** *********** |
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JohnH wrote:
There are a few folks beyond any and all hope. I think Mr. Dehl is one of them. Of course, we have a few who are fast approaching. This is what happens when politics is discussed. My guess is that you folks like the name-calling and acerbic comments. Otherwise, why would you be so engaged? Surprised you are participating in this thread. It only facilitates the dumbing down of the NG. Fact is, one of the participants is about as nescient as we've *ever* seen here. Best to ignore them. -- Skipper |
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"jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... "jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... "Tamaroak" wrote in message . .. More people are living in cardboard boxes in this country than ever and these fat cats are making more and paying less taxes than ever. And we are STILL cutting taxes while the deficit skyrockets. How can these people call themselves conservative? The deficit fell from '04 to '05...and its expected to continue to fall through at least '09. In the past 30 years we've gone from: Biggest importer of raw materials and exporter of finished goods to Biggest exporter of raw materials and largest importer of finished goods. China and Japan own a large percentage of our currency, corporations are allowed to operate offshore to avoid taxation and more of our currency is flooding into the mid-east than ever before. I just had a meeting with some very nice folks from the mid-east who don't mind us being in Iraq at all. Their friends are making money hand over fist supplying goods and services to our troops. Not only are we sending them tankerloads of oil money, we're paying them seven different ways for supplying our country with goods and services. Something wrong with this picture? Why are we so damned near-sighted??? The biggest danger to our country is allowing jobs to escape to countries that are not our allies. China is our biggest threat...and corporations have bought into the Chinese government horse and pony show that paints such a rosy scenario over there. It's a facade...and China's recent restrictions placed on Google are a perfect example of how screwed up things are over there right now. For the first time in the last half decade, I decided to buy an American car again. I would hope you and every other American would consider doing the same. For a very long time, American car manufacturers had their problems, and you were right to stay away. But I can assure you that in their latest entries to the market, the American auto maufacturer's quality and engineering is on par with the best of them again. Awhile back you stated that if a car manufacturer made an all-wheel-drive sport sedan that is comparable to what you were driving at the time (an Audi Quattro?), you'd buy it. So now I'm going to hold you to your word: go drive the Cadillac STS AWD or the Chrysler 300M AWD and buy whichever you like better. Either should fit your needs nicely. I went from an Infiniti G35 to a Cadillac STS and have been very happy with the choice. Are you claiming to be a good American or a good investor? I don't think the above suggestion would satisfy both criteria. I leased the car. 39 months, $422/mo (includes tax), $1850 out of pocket. |
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:14:20 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: I went from an Infiniti G35 to a Cadillac STS and have been very happy with the choice. my wife is interested in one of those. I like the car alot. I bought the V6. The performance difference from the V8 wasn't worth the extra $8k. It had a helluva lease when I got it. I would be careful buying the car unless you plan to keep it for 5+ years. Cadillacs experience severe depreciation. |
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:14:20 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:
But I can assure you that in their latest entries to the market, the American auto maufacturer's quality and engineering is on par with the best of them again. Let's talk again after 100,000 miles. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:14:20 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: But I can assure you that in their latest entries to the market, the American auto maufacturer's quality and engineering is on par with the best of them again. Let's talk again after 100,000 miles. I'll be out of it before 40,000 miles. ;-) |
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On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:15:22 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote: so? charging what the market will take is a time honored capitalist tradition. and until they come up with another source of energy, thats what 'cha got. Not acceptable when the commodity is the blood that keeps our country alive. Very short sighted thinking and all too typical of what passes for analysis in the news media. Oil companies need to replace what they sell, otherwise they run out somewhere down the road, just like your car when it runs out. Where does this replacement oil come from? All of the major companies are discovering less than they sell. They are replacing it by buying proven reserves from other companies. How long can that last? Even now it is a difficult game. Every single gallon of newly discovered oil will cost more to find and produce than the year before. Less profit = less money for exploration and development of new reserves. The very best way to drive the price of oil right through the stratosphere is to reduce profits now, and reduce the funding and incentives for exploration. If that happens, and it may, best thing to do is to start up a sailing school and buy a few old cargo schooners. (on topic) |
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In article . net,
says... "jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... "jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... "Tamaroak" wrote in message . .. More people are living in cardboard boxes in this country than ever and these fat cats are making more and paying less taxes than ever. And we are STILL cutting taxes while the deficit skyrockets. How can these people call themselves conservative? The deficit fell from '04 to '05...and its expected to continue to fall through at least '09. In the past 30 years we've gone from: Biggest importer of raw materials and exporter of finished goods to Biggest exporter of raw materials and largest importer of finished goods. China and Japan own a large percentage of our currency, corporations are allowed to operate offshore to avoid taxation and more of our currency is flooding into the mid-east than ever before. I just had a meeting with some very nice folks from the mid-east who don't mind us being in Iraq at all. Their friends are making money hand over fist supplying goods and services to our troops. Not only are we sending them tankerloads of oil money, we're paying them seven different ways for supplying our country with goods and services. Something wrong with this picture? Why are we so damned near-sighted??? The biggest danger to our country is allowing jobs to escape to countries that are not our allies. China is our biggest threat...and corporations have bought into the Chinese government horse and pony show that paints such a rosy scenario over there. It's a facade...and China's recent restrictions placed on Google are a perfect example of how screwed up things are over there right now. For the first time in the last half decade, I decided to buy an American car again. I would hope you and every other American would consider doing the same. For a very long time, American car manufacturers had their problems, and you were right to stay away. But I can assure you that in their latest entries to the market, the American auto maufacturer's quality and engineering is on par with the best of them again. Awhile back you stated that if a car manufacturer made an all-wheel-drive sport sedan that is comparable to what you were driving at the time (an Audi Quattro?), you'd buy it. So now I'm going to hold you to your word: go drive the Cadillac STS AWD or the Chrysler 300M AWD and buy whichever you like better. Either should fit your needs nicely. I went from an Infiniti G35 to a Cadillac STS and have been very happy with the choice. Are you claiming to be a good American or a good investor? I don't think the above suggestion would satisfy both criteria. I leased the car. 39 months, $422/mo (includes tax), $1850 out of pocket. The Chrysler is ugly. $18,308 to have the privilege of driving a Cadillac for 39 months. I'd rather make payments on a boat or summer cabin and have the 2nd home write off. Do you whistle Led Zepplin tunes while drinking gas at the stop light? jps |
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:34:02 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote: My truck has over 100k and the town car is approaching 100k - that little escort i bought to keep the gas milage down is over 100k - 115k in fact. 100k is nothing nowadays. That's true if you buy the right vehicle. My youngest son is now driving the Camry that I bought new in 1992. It is at almost 200K miles and still going strong in NYC traffic and roads. My wife's Honda Accord is over 100K miles and still runs like new. On the other hand our 1991 Dodge Caravan had trim falling off of it by 50,000 miles, 3 transmissions, all new brakes and a radiator by 70,000. It was getting too unreliable to keep, and it will be a long time before we buy another Chrysler product. I'd rather spend my money on boats. (on topic) |
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:27:34 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:14:20 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: But I can assure you that in their latest entries to the market, the American auto maufacturer's quality and engineering is on par with the best of them again. Let's talk again after 100,000 miles. I'll be out of it before 40,000 miles. ;-) see - thats what i don't understand. you dont gain anything by leasing a vehicle for a stated length of time. I gain a new car every 3-3 1/2 years. If I bought the car, but financed it, I'd barely be even in 3 years. If I paid cash, and traded it, I'd lose $25k in depreciation in that time period. we ordinarily keep our cars for at least 100k if not more than that - i think the grand marquis my wife had before the town car had 140k on it when we traded it in. You're smarter than me. But I've got a soft spot for new cars. Your way is of course the smartest way to own a car. |
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jimh_osudad@yahooDOT says... "Dan Krueger" wrote in message link.net... Fred Dehl wrote: " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in : "Fred Dehl" wrote in message ... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in : "Fred Dehl" wrote in message ... jps wrote in . com: I've had one hell of a time justifying the expense of fuel and, consequently, over the last year our boat has been out very little. Now I come to find that Exxon, Chevron and Halliburton have made more money this past year than at any time in history and our rate of savings hasn't been this low since 1933. Exxon's profit margin (net income divided by revenue) is 8.4%: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=XOM&annual Knight-Ridder's profit margin is 10.8%: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=KRI&annual Where is your rant against The Obscene Profits Of Big Media? A 10.8% profit is obscene? How about 27% for Exxon Mobil (this following a 75% increase in 2005 3rd quarter) and 51% for ConocoPhillips? Illiterate asshole, See ya..............PLONK Yep, crawl back up your mother's scabaceous infected ****. You can stay warm there without having to buy fuel from Exxon. This gut is off the chart. I can't remember the last time I sent an abuse complaint to an ISP... Dan He never had a legitimate point to make. His only resort was to rely on insults and flaming with his replies, tools only the desperate, ill informed/ignorant and uneducated fall back on. Could he have met all 3 categories? And jimh a faggot treehugger? Whoooaaaa baby! jps |
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"jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... "jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... "jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... "Tamaroak" wrote in message . .. More people are living in cardboard boxes in this country than ever and these fat cats are making more and paying less taxes than ever. And we are STILL cutting taxes while the deficit skyrockets. How can these people call themselves conservative? The deficit fell from '04 to '05...and its expected to continue to fall through at least '09. In the past 30 years we've gone from: Biggest importer of raw materials and exporter of finished goods to Biggest exporter of raw materials and largest importer of finished goods. China and Japan own a large percentage of our currency, corporations are allowed to operate offshore to avoid taxation and more of our currency is flooding into the mid-east than ever before. I just had a meeting with some very nice folks from the mid-east who don't mind us being in Iraq at all. Their friends are making money hand over fist supplying goods and services to our troops. Not only are we sending them tankerloads of oil money, we're paying them seven different ways for supplying our country with goods and services. Something wrong with this picture? Why are we so damned near-sighted??? The biggest danger to our country is allowing jobs to escape to countries that are not our allies. China is our biggest threat...and corporations have bought into the Chinese government horse and pony show that paints such a rosy scenario over there. It's a facade...and China's recent restrictions placed on Google are a perfect example of how screwed up things are over there right now. For the first time in the last half decade, I decided to buy an American car again. I would hope you and every other American would consider doing the same. For a very long time, American car manufacturers had their problems, and you were right to stay away. But I can assure you that in their latest entries to the market, the American auto maufacturer's quality and engineering is on par with the best of them again. Awhile back you stated that if a car manufacturer made an all-wheel-drive sport sedan that is comparable to what you were driving at the time (an Audi Quattro?), you'd buy it. So now I'm going to hold you to your word: go drive the Cadillac STS AWD or the Chrysler 300M AWD and buy whichever you like better. Either should fit your needs nicely. I went from an Infiniti G35 to a Cadillac STS and have been very happy with the choice. Are you claiming to be a good American or a good investor? I don't think the above suggestion would satisfy both criteria. I leased the car. 39 months, $422/mo (includes tax), $1850 out of pocket. The Chrysler is ugly. $18,308 to have the privilege of driving a Cadillac for 39 months. I'd rather make payments on a boat or summer cabin and have the 2nd home write off. Name me a single car with an MSRP over $40k that you could drive for less than $18,500 over 39 months. Don't forget to include tax! Do you whistle Led Zepplin tunes while drinking gas at the stop light? It's actually pretty good on gas. Better than the G35. |
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says... jps wrote in : In article , says... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in : You cannot deny them a profit, but it is obvious the oil company's are fleecing us. Knight-Ridder has a higher profit margin than Exxon-Mobil. Is "Big Media" fleecing us too? And if so, where are your protestations against them? One is a voluntary purchase, the other is as close to mandatory and one could come. Capiche? The guy you voted for in 2000 said that the internal combustion engine is the greatest threat to mankind, and you're calling the purchase of its lifeblood "mandatory"? Reverend Gore will be quite disappointed that you haven't converted your home to solar and your car to ethanol or vegetable oil. After all, the enviro-loonies ARE right, right? That alternative energy sources are viable, practical and cost-efficient? Or is it all just a load of socialist lies designed to buttress the politics of envy? Your statement answers that last question definitively. Thank-you. And I suppose we'd be better off if we hadn't invented the gas engine, after all, the steam engine did just as well, right? That being the case, we should put all our investment in finding more expensive methods of sucking oil from the earth until we've run out of ways to do it. Then we can shift our attention to alternatives, right? Uhhhhh.... So, your extremist retort is, assuming that anyone not aligned with your near-sighted program is a faggot treehugger, our answer must be to stop using petroleum products tomorrow.... no, not soon enough... tonight!!!! Yeah, right. The world economy would fail if the US suddenly stopped using petroleum based products, your (much smarter) nemesis Al Gore knows that. The point you don't want to admit, the one that I'm trying to drive home, is that we need to make a bigger commitment to finding alternatives to fossil-based fuels or find and implement methods of using it more efficiently. With the current administration in control, that ain't gonna happen. They're so deeply in the pocket of big energy and corporate influence peddlers that they'd have to successfully fake their own deaths to break the stranglehold. There's no magic bullet but incremental investments in research and development of energy technology can certainly help stem the incredible dependence we have on petroleum. I expect you consider yourself a conservative. Why is it that you people preach anything but conservatism and still assume it's conservative thinking? jps |
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says... jps wrote in : In article , says... Profit MARGIN. Jesus Christ, can't anybody ****ing READ anymore? Here's an illustration for all you retards, even though I'm sure most of you STILL won't get it: Twinkies aren't gas. There's very little margin at retail. So you admit the attacks on Wal-Mart are unjustifiable? Thanks again. Thanks for nothing. Walmart is in a race to the bottom, taking advantage of cheap labor. At some point the balance starts to tip and the traditional Walmart customer and employee can't afford to shop there cause wages in China are going up. You short-sighted idiots never cease to amaze me. Walmart's comeuppance is already in motion. The profits are clearly going to the Exxon and Chevron, not the retailer. Exxon receives less profit from the sale of a gallon of gas than government gets in taxes. And your point is? Does that somehow mitigate the FACT that Chevron and Exxon are enjoying their largest profits in the history of their companies? You deaf, blind or both? Exxon receives less profit from the sale of a gallon of gas than Knight- Ridder receives from the sale of a Sunday paper. And while 100% of the gas you buy is functional, half the "news"paper is advertisements for which Knight-Ridder received additional revenue. Boy, your rationalizations come directly from Willie Wonka's chocolate factory. More to the point, I think they're emerging from your chocolate factory. jps |
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 02:20:21 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote: your first mistake was buying a dodge. that was your second mistake too. :) We more or less inherited it, got a few good years, and then it fell apart. Good design, poorly built. |
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says... "jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... "jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... "jps" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... "Tamaroak" wrote in message . .. More people are living in cardboard boxes in this country than ever and these fat cats are making more and paying less taxes than ever. And we are STILL cutting taxes while the deficit skyrockets. How can these people call themselves conservative? The deficit fell from '04 to '05...and its expected to continue to fall through at least '09. In the past 30 years we've gone from: Biggest importer of raw materials and exporter of finished goods to Biggest exporter of raw materials and largest importer of finished goods. China and Japan own a large percentage of our currency, corporations are allowed to operate offshore to avoid taxation and more of our currency is flooding into the mid-east than ever before. I just had a meeting with some very nice folks from the mid-east who don't mind us being in Iraq at all. Their friends are making money hand over fist supplying goods and services to our troops. Not only are we sending them tankerloads of oil money, we're paying them seven different ways for supplying our country with goods and services. Something wrong with this picture? Why are we so damned near-sighted??? The biggest danger to our country is allowing jobs to escape to countries that are not our allies. China is our biggest threat...and corporations have bought into the Chinese government horse and pony show that paints such a rosy scenario over there. It's a facade...and China's recent restrictions placed on Google are a perfect example of how screwed up things are over there right now. For the first time in the last half decade, I decided to buy an American car again. I would hope you and every other American would consider doing the same. For a very long time, American car manufacturers had their problems, and you were right to stay away. But I can assure you that in their latest entries to the market, the American auto maufacturer's quality and engineering is on par with the best of them again. Awhile back you stated that if a car manufacturer made an all-wheel-drive sport sedan that is comparable to what you were driving at the time (an Audi Quattro?), you'd buy it. So now I'm going to hold you to your word: go drive the Cadillac STS AWD or the Chrysler 300M AWD and buy whichever you like better. Either should fit your needs nicely. I went from an Infiniti G35 to a Cadillac STS and have been very happy with the choice. Are you claiming to be a good American or a good investor? I don't think the above suggestion would satisfy both criteria. I leased the car. 39 months, $422/mo (includes tax), $1850 out of pocket. The Chrysler is ugly. $18,308 to have the privilege of driving a Cadillac for 39 months. I'd rather make payments on a boat or summer cabin and have the 2nd home write off. Name me a single car with an MSRP over $40k that you could drive for less than $18,500 over 39 months. Don't forget to include tax! That's dependent on leasing. Most people don't lease. Driving a vehicle over $40k for 39 months isn't a function of the value of the car, it's a function of how many they've sold and how aggressive the financing rates they're willing to offer to get you in the car. The real value in a car is after you've paid it off and drive it another 50,000 miles. That's when the cost/mile goes down. Your cost/mile has to be astronomical. And, in order to purchase that car post-lease, you'd be buying a car that's worth 2/3 of the residual. Cadillac will have to write off the loss when it's incurred. Welcome to American cars. jps |
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On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:22:36 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Exxon receives less profit from the sale of a gallon of gas than government gets in taxes. And the Exxon Valdez disaster really was "good" for the environment. ========================= Non sequitur. You disappoint me Harry. |
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On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:02:32 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: A much stronger car of the 1960s...a TR4A-IRS. I had one of those, too. Great car. Not nearly as pretty as the MGA, but...it ran and ran and ran. Always wanted a red 'Healy 3000 from that era. |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Fred Dehl wrote: Illiterate asshole, Read the post again. Do you know what the **** a "profit margin" is? God you're the stupidest sack of **** in the world. Uh, Fred, you're not in your kitchen here. Try to control your foul mouth. Thanks. I doubt his mommy would let him talk that way at home..... at least not without a cake of soap to clean up afterwards. |
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jps wrote:
In article , says... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS wrote in : And folks can choose to stop buying newspapers. Not true of gasoline. Bull****, asswipe. JohnH, are you going to step in here to calm this peckerhead down? Why is it that you're so quick to offer the preamble to the left and not so quick in name-callers like this. For Christ's sake, he just called JimH a faggot treehugger. I just about fell out my chair!!! jps Yes...never a netcop around when you need one! |
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That's a nice theory.
However, as DSK pointed out, shareholders haven't been substantially rewarded for the climb in profits. RCE wrote: Higher profits usually produce higher stock prices. Few public companies pay dividends anymore. It's all in the stock price. Actually, that's not true. It was true that many investors... and many 'investment writers' widely published... back in the late 1990s were loudly disdainful of dividends. Nowadays investors are very definitely interested in dividends, and the stock-touters talk about them a lot. I am not saying it's right - I am just saying it's the way it is. Maybe we follow very different segments of the financial news media. ... A CEO that does not show bottom line growth ain't gonna be a CEO for long. Well, no. He pockets his $50 million and saunters off stage left, whistling a happy tune. And his platinum parachute is paid for by the employees & common stockholders. It's the new corporate kleptocracy... profits are irrelevant. .... And although publicly reported quarterly, most large companies now report monthly and even weekly, internally. That's why I don't work for one anymore. And the auditors have become paid consultants on how to cheat. Did you notice that Ken Lay and Jeff Skilling might actually have a court date? Good thing the Bush Administration is really cracking down on corporate malfeasance... how many years has it been now? But I digress.... I own several oil company stocks, and the neither dividends nor price appreciation has not followed reported profits... yet... Regards Doug King |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:34:02 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: My truck has over 100k and the town car is approaching 100k - that little escort i bought to keep the gas milage down is over 100k - 115k in fact. 100k is nothing nowadays. That's true if you buy the right vehicle. Absolutely! My youngest son is now driving the Camry that I bought new in 1992. It is at almost 200K miles and still going strong in NYC traffic and roads. Rust will consume that car before wear & tear. My wife's Honda Accord is over 100K miles and still runs like new. It'd better. It's not even broken in yet. On the other hand our 1991 Dodge Caravan had trim falling off of it by 50,000 miles, 3 transmissions, all new brakes and a radiator by 70,000. It was getting too unreliable to keep, and it will be a long time before we buy another Chrysler product. I'd rather spend my money on boats. (on topic) That was a real junky vehicle. Like you said, it's got to be the right vehicle. Ford has been doing a much better job than GM on the whole since ~1996 when the G2 Taurus & the 3.8 V-6 combination was laid to rest after 1995. Problems with that platform came back to haunt the WindStar for a while, but they were ironed out. A lot of GM troubles are around their commitment to DexCool. Between poorly designed & built gaskets, that stuff is just bad news... Despite a crazy number of recalls, the Focus is holding up well. I would buy a used 3.0 Taurus/Sable or any Crown/Marquis, or 2005-up Mustang, in a second and expect 300,000 miles if the rust can be avoided. And Fords & GMs are cheaper to fix, easier to work on. And I like boats better too, but my newest (power)boat is a 1973, sailboat is a 1979. They are holding up very well. Both are domestic makes. I'd never buy a Toyota boat. Yamaha, maybe! (They own several brands). Rob |
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