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Gene Kearns wrote:

Aside from the [apparent] fact that you are trying to boat from a
2,000 mile distance, which IMHO is fated to be inordinately expensive,
you are making a specious argument.

Well, I was able to do it nicely for over 20 years.

Looking at the global economy, all
prime weather, boating, and fishing locations are becoming very
expensive... it is the law of supply and demand.

But the Florida keys have become another Aspen. A place
for the rich and famous. Too rich for my blood.

In the US, a large
quantity of well heeled boomers are looking for retirement
opportunities and if your location is not seeing the associated
increases ownership or usage it is because you are boating, fishing,
or retiring in a location that few people covet. I suspect that the
costs of boat ownership in Derby, Kansas are quite limited, as are the
boating options.

Don't live in Kansas.



In all truth, if you aren't catching fish in FL waters, you need to
hire a guide and see what you are doing wrong.

I caught plenty of fish in my days there, but what I am remarking on
is the decline of fishing. Florida Bay is suffering from pollution and
overfishing.



And if you support Skipper, perhaps you'd like to lend some validity
to his unsupported generalization, "the best fishing is now found on
the West Coast and Pacific waters," with some facts.

Don't support his conclusions, but accept the fact that Florida ain't
what it used to be.

In typical
self-centered fashion, Skipper has made yet another statement which
(in his own mind) remains as fact until somehow disproven. The fact
that no one has risen to his bait is apparently chapping his cheeks
and maybe you could apply the factual powder that will soothe his
troubled psyche......

--

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sherwindu wrote:

Gene Kearns wrote:

Aside from the [apparent] fact that you are trying to boat from a
2,000 mile distance, which IMHO is fated to be inordinately expensive,
you are making a specious argument.

Well, I was able to do it nicely for over 20 years.

Looking at the global economy, all
prime weather, boating, and fishing locations are becoming very
expensive... it is the law of supply and demand.

But the Florida keys have become another Aspen. A place
for the rich and famous. Too rich for my blood.

In all truth, if you aren't catching fish in FL waters, you need to
hire a guide and see what you are doing wrong.

I caught plenty of fish in my days there, but what I am remarking on
is the decline of fishing. Florida Bay is suffering from pollution and
overfishing.

And if you support Skipper, perhaps you'd like to lend some validity
to his unsupported generalization, "the best fishing is now found on
the West Coast and Pacific waters," with some facts.

Don't support his conclusions, but accept the fact that Florida ain't
what it used to be.

Some folks just can't handle the truth, Sherwindu. Gene and Harry are
classic examples. Sad.

--
Skipper

Floriduh - A Passing Fad
 

Gene Kearns wrote:

Aside from the [apparent] fact that you are trying to boat from a
2,000 mile distance, which IMHO is fated to be inordinately expensive,
you are making a specious argument.

Well, I was able to do it nicely for over 20 years.

You are much more energetic than I. I don't ski Vail and Aspen because
they are too damn far away.... ditto (for me) boating in the Great
Lakes...

You don't ski those areas because you lack a sense for real
adventure...and the fact that you don't ski.

BTW, I prefer Purgatory to Aspen or Vail.

Looking at the global economy, all
prime weather, boating, and fishing locations are becoming very
expensive... it is the law of supply and demand.

But the Florida keys have become another Aspen. A place
for the rich and famous. Too rich for my blood.

I fell your pain. My point is that you can't pick on FL.... Locally, I
have watched beachfront property go from $400.00 in the early 60's to
about 2,000,000.00, now.... and it is happening anywhere the salt
meets the land, where fishing and weather are at least acceptable.

San Carlos still has great real estate deals: http://tinyurl.com/7eb2p
Opportunity is where you find it.

In all truth, if you aren't catching fish in FL waters, you need to
hire a guide and see what you are doing wrong.

I caught plenty of fish in my days there, but what I am remarking on
is the decline of fishing. Florida Bay is suffering from pollution and
overfishing.

As I posted (and supported with citations) even the exalted Gulf of Cortez
is nearly fished to exhaustion.

Your statement is based on ignorance...and absolutely untrue.

--
Skipper

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Harry Krause wrote:


Indeed, I'm flying down to Miami for a day or two later this month
specifically to attend the Miami boat show, and I'll be flying to
Orlando in March or April to make a presentation at a meeting. I might
spend a few extra days in Florida on the second trip for some bass fishing.

Sponsors of both events I'll be attending never considered holding
either in Derby, Kansas, or its environs, and not even in that nearby
fortress of free thinking, Wichita.

We have fishing tournaments here on the Great Lakes, so Florida has
no monopoly on those things.



Still got that p.o.s. Bayliner, Snippy? Betcha do.

Don't forget your American Express Card

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Skipper wrote:


You don't ski those areas because you lack a sense for real
adventure...and the fact that you don't ski.

BTW, I prefer Purgatory to Aspen or Vail.

I'm probably dating myself, but I remember when lift tickets at
Aspen were $18, and now they are $100 plus. Purgatory is
probably a great place to ski, but you won't get on a chair lift
with any celebrities.

Sherwin

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"sherwindu" wrote in message
...


Skipper wrote:


You don't ski those areas because you lack a sense for real
adventure...and the fact that you don't ski.

BTW, I prefer Purgatory to Aspen or Vail.

I'm probably dating myself, but I remember when lift tickets at
Aspen were $18, and now they are $100 plus. Purgatory is
probably a great place to ski, but you won't get on a chair lift
with any celebrities.

Sherwin



I seem to remember $5 lift tickets at Vail in 1968. I do remember the Clock
Tower for dinner, and nice steak at about $5.

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sherwindu wrote:

Skipper wrote:


You don't ski those areas because you lack a sense for real
adventure...and the fact that you don't ski.

BTW, I prefer Purgatory to Aspen or Vail.

I'm probably dating myself, but I remember when lift tickets at
Aspen were $18, and now they are $100 plus. Purgatory is
probably a great place to ski, but you won't get on a chair lift
with any celebrities.

Not sure that's true. My experience is that you'll see quite a few
celebs at Purgatory and Telluride in Southwest Colorado. But to be
honest, Purgatory is a place for hardcore skiers, and not the place you
go to be seen. Great runs, blue skys, scenic views, warmer temps, and
the driest most forgiving powder you'll ever find are the draws at
Purgatory. And I've shared many a chair with US Ski Team members in the
pre season. Even shared a couple runs with Jean-Claude Killy and Michael
Arpin in the seventies. On one of those runs I shared the double chair
with Killy for the return.

--
Skipper

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"sherwindu" wrote in message
...


Harry Krause wrote:


Indeed, I'm flying down to Miami for a day or two later this month
specifically to attend the Miami boat show, and I'll be flying to
Orlando in March or April to make a presentation at a meeting. I might
spend a few extra days in Florida on the second trip for some bass
fishing.

Sponsors of both events I'll be attending never considered holding
either in Derby, Kansas, or its environs, and not even in that nearby
fortress of free thinking, Wichita.

We have fishing tournaments here on the Great Lakes, so Florida has
no monopoly on those things.


Below is a list of the fishing tournaments *FOR SOUTHEAST FLORIDA AND THE
KEYS ONLY* over the next 8 months. All have purses that are in the six
digits or more, and attract participants from all over the US and the World.



Cheeca Lodge Sailfish Tournament 1/20-1/22/06
Reef Cup Invitational Jan. 24 - 28, 2006

Mayor's Cup Sailfish Tournament 1/26-1/29/06

Fort Lauderdale Billfish Tournament 2/7-2-12-06

S.F.H.A. Loxahatchee Tournament 2/11

World Diamond Source/YCF Billfish Challenge Feb, 26th

Bob Lewis Billfish Challenge 3/2-3/5/06

Billfish Masters 3/16-3/19/06

Miami Billfish Tournament 4/6-4/9/06

Key West World Championships 4/18-4/22/06

Herman Lucerne Memorial Backcountry Fishing Tournament 4/21/06 - 4/23/06

Grove Harbor Rodeo 4/27-4/30/06

Grove Slam 5/4-5/6/06

Mercury/SeaVee Pompano Beach Sal****er Shootout - May 13, 2006

Pompano Beach Fishing Rodeo May 18-21 2006

10th Annual Mercury Marine/Miami Kiwanis Dolphin Tournament; June 1-3,2006

Mercury/SeaVee Pompano Beach Sal****er Slam - June 10, 2006

Mercury/SeaVee Pompano Beach Sal****er Showdown - August 5, 2006

Swordlords Tournament-August 5, 2006

Islamorada Swordfish Tournament August 11-13,2006

Miami Swordfish Tournament September 7-10,2006

The Boater's World Gauntlet Elimination Series:
Round 1 & 2 - May 12-13, 2006
Round 3 & 4 - June 9-10, 2006
Round 5 & 6 - August 4-5, 2006



There are a similar number of tournaments in the northeast, southwest, and
northwest coasts of Florida as well.

And there are 1000's of smaller, community-based tournaments as well over
the year.

If you added up the number of fishing tournaments and the purses from those
tournaments from every state that borders the Great Lakes, they still
wouldn't equal the numbers that Florida produces every year.

Floriduh - A Passing Fad
 

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
Gene Kearns wrote:

Aside from the [apparent] fact that you are trying to boat from a
2,000 mile distance, which IMHO is fated to be inordinately expensive,
you are making a specious argument.

Well, I was able to do it nicely for over 20 years.

You are much more energetic than I. I don't ski Vail and Aspen because
they are too damn far away.... ditto (for me) boating in the Great
Lakes...

You don't ski those areas because you lack a sense for real
adventure...and the fact that you don't ski.

BTW, I prefer Purgatory to Aspen or Vail.

Looking at the global economy, all
prime weather, boating, and fishing locations are becoming very
expensive... it is the law of supply and demand.

But the Florida keys have become another Aspen. A place
for the rich and famous. Too rich for my blood.

I fell your pain. My point is that you can't pick on FL.... Locally, I
have watched beachfront property go from $400.00 in the early 60's to
about 2,000,000.00, now.... and it is happening anywhere the salt
meets the land, where fishing and weather are at least acceptable.

San Carlos still has great real estate deals: http://tinyurl.com/7eb2p
Opportunity is where you find it.

It's only a good deal if the next el Presidente doesn't come in and decide
to take your land. Even today, Americans can't own land in Mexico. The
banks own it, and make you the executor over the title.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"sherwindu" wrote in message
...

Harry Krause wrote:

Indeed, I'm flying down to Miami for a day or two later this month
specifically to attend the Miami boat show, and I'll be flying to
Orlando in March or April to make a presentation at a meeting. I might
spend a few extra days in Florida on the second trip for some bass
fishing.

Sponsors of both events I'll be attending never considered holding
either in Derby, Kansas, or its environs, and not even in that nearby
fortress of free thinking, Wichita.
We have fishing tournaments here on the Great Lakes, so Florida has
no monopoly on those things.


Below is a list of the fishing tournaments *FOR SOUTHEAST FLORIDA AND
THE KEYS ONLY* over the next 8 months. All have purses that are in the
six digits or more, and attract participants from all over the US and the
World.



Cheeca Lodge Sailfish Tournament 1/20-1/22/06
Reef Cup Invitational Jan. 24 - 28, 2006

Mayor's Cup Sailfish Tournament 1/26-1/29/06

Fort Lauderdale Billfish Tournament 2/7-2-12-06

S.F.H.A. Loxahatchee Tournament 2/11

World Diamond Source/YCF Billfish Challenge Feb, 26th

Bob Lewis Billfish Challenge 3/2-3/5/06

Billfish Masters 3/16-3/19/06

Miami Billfish Tournament 4/6-4/9/06

Key West World Championships 4/18-4/22/06

Herman Lucerne Memorial Backcountry Fishing Tournament 4/21/06 - 4/23/06

Grove Harbor Rodeo 4/27-4/30/06

Grove Slam 5/4-5/6/06

Mercury/SeaVee Pompano Beach Sal****er Shootout - May 13, 2006

Pompano Beach Fishing Rodeo May 18-21 2006

10th Annual Mercury Marine/Miami Kiwanis Dolphin Tournament; June
1-3,2006

Mercury/SeaVee Pompano Beach Sal****er Slam - June 10, 2006

Mercury/SeaVee Pompano Beach Sal****er Showdown - August 5, 2006

Swordlords Tournament-August 5, 2006

Islamorada Swordfish Tournament August 11-13,2006

Miami Swordfish Tournament September 7-10,2006

The Boater's World Gauntlet Elimination Series:
Round 1 & 2 - May 12-13, 2006
Round 3 & 4 - June 9-10, 2006
Round 5 & 6 - August 4-5, 2006



There are a similar number of tournaments in the northeast, southwest,
and northwest coasts of Florida as well.

And there are 1000's of smaller, community-based tournaments as well over
the year.

If you added up the number of fishing tournaments and the purses from
those tournaments from every state that borders the Great Lakes, they
still wouldn't equal the numbers that Florida produces every year.







That's correct. There's no question that on a state for state basis,
Florida leads in fishing venues and opportunities. If you can't catch fish
in Florida, go to Red Lobster.

Ironically, if you go to Red Lobster here in Florida, you'll probably get
fish from out of state.

The one good thing about Red Lobster is consistency. It's equally terrible
wherever you go...so you should know better than trying it, with the idea
that it might actually be better in states that border the sea.